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@PhilosophyInsights
@PhilosophyInsights 5 лет назад
You can continue watching the discussion @1:11:46 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1opHWsHr798.html
@BarbarellaAlpha
@BarbarellaAlpha 5 лет назад
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@deathbycognitivedissonance5036
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@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 5 лет назад
thank you!
@robertodiaz8226
@robertodiaz8226 5 лет назад
Alguien puede traducirlo
@leonelbarrientos995
@leonelbarrientos995 2 года назад
Thank goodness. Thank you!
@danielbrooks7764
@danielbrooks7764 5 лет назад
Faith doesn't alleviate moral responsibility for the Christian; it just removes the motivation of damnation/salvation. Instead of doing good to avoid Hell, the true Christian does good out of love.
@Mikenoronha
@Mikenoronha 5 лет назад
This is true.
@shelbukowski1443
@shelbukowski1443 5 лет назад
So what? Hell is still the prime mover. The Christian was motivated by fear of Hell to get "saved". And not everyone is motivated to get "saved". Sure, I understand that Hell was built for people like me, but I choose that out of fear of being stuck in Heaven with you.
@Mikenoronha
@Mikenoronha 5 лет назад
@@shelbukowski1443 "Hell is still the prime mover. The Christian was motivated by fear of Hell to get "saved"." < Please cite references that prove this assertion
@shelbukowski1443
@shelbukowski1443 5 лет назад
I have nothing to prove. And I don't need references to make an assertion. @@Mikenoronha
@danielbrooks7764
@danielbrooks7764 5 лет назад
@@shelbukowski1443 The "so what" is that its impossible to be altruistic as long as being "good" bestows a personal benefit. Self-sacrifice by definition requires that the actor give of themselves without gaining anything in return. Salvation from Hell isn't the result of the action of the Christian, but the result of the self-sacrifice of Christ and is a free gift to the lost. The assertion that fear of Hell is the prime mover of good works is false for the Christian. Those who accept the gift of Christ's sacrifice are free from fear of Hell, and can proceed through life doing good for good sake, rather than to "earn" a ticket into Heaven. No Christian lives up to this ideal, but that's why the ideal exists. It's an aspirational goal.
@timpalmer1983
@timpalmer1983 5 лет назад
Notice how they aren't trying to kill each other.
@sawyerweathers8713
@sawyerweathers8713 4 года назад
Good observation
@tinyflyingdragons9432
@tinyflyingdragons9432 3 года назад
100th like is me timpalmer1983 1 year ago Notice how they aren't trying to kill each other. 99 timpalmer1983 timpalmer1983 1 year ago Notice how they aren't trying to kill each other. 100
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@sawyerweathers8713 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@tinyflyingdragons9432 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@KevinVang1000 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@cloutsteezo2269
@cloutsteezo2269 Год назад
This is exactly how debates should be. Just because you’re loud doesn’t mean you’re right. It’s nice hearing 2 people have a discussion and not one interrupt each other.
@dudebro3250
@dudebro3250 11 месяцев назад
This isn't a debate lol. Jordan isn't a real Christian. He just plays one.
@juliegoldman411
@juliegoldman411 8 месяцев назад
@@dudebro3250 I guess your a Real Christian...what ever that means??
@angusarmstrong4966
@angusarmstrong4966 Год назад
To answer Ben when he said “I think Christian’s just re read themselves back into an acts based Christianity”, he’s not entirely wrong, the idea is that the closer your relationship is with god, the more you end up following what god said to do, that’s because you’ll no longer have the desire to sin and end up with a loving heart
@tristanperkett8730
@tristanperkett8730 Год назад
amen brother. thank you jesus 🙏
@gracelema4849
@gracelema4849 Год назад
The more you read the bible you understand Yeshua more and how his followers understand him so little. Many Christians why Yeshua died on cross. Simple answer for atoinment of sins. But this explanation need more meat for people to understand its more spiritual than physical. New testament is so spiritual.
@usherpoppen6820
@usherpoppen6820 Год назад
Im doing this out of love: God*
@Spugizakom
@Spugizakom 11 месяцев назад
@@usherpoppen6820not a huge deal but you are right that capitalizing God’s name is always respectful.
@atheistangel007
@atheistangel007 11 месяцев назад
"What god said to do" according to which of the over 100 versions of the Bible, the 40,000+ denominations of Christianity, the 70+ interpretations of the Torah, or the 4 main branches of Judaism? Not including Islam, or the 100s of other religions and interpretations of their chosen gods?
@connoriquada5429
@connoriquada5429 Год назад
I love seeing two intelligent humans having a civil debate. No immature bullshit or threats or anything like that. Just two guys talking. Why can’t people act like this more often?
@afer4431
@afer4431 Год назад
I agree! I have learned so much.
@Petal4822
@Petal4822 Год назад
That is why the Jews are God’s chosen people because they are so intelligent.
@russellwestbrook6886
@russellwestbrook6886 Год назад
Not my fault people want to be assholes
@michaelarojas
@michaelarojas Год назад
Other people aren't as emotionally intelligent to have such a discussion.
@furerorban9324
@furerorban9324 Год назад
Jordan B Peterson is on the payroll of Orban the Neonazi Terrorist leader organizer of the Magyar Gárda neonazi paramilitary group 2007-2010 and since the dictator of Hungary As the guest of Führer Orban in the Führer Castle of Buda, Knight Impotent B. Peterson: "my message to the Hungarians: Do not rebel against your leader! What your prime minister is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the Hungarian culture.
@neo_______
@neo_______ 2 года назад
Man I love when intelligent people talk about potentially controversial topics without being offensive.
@u2mister17
@u2mister17 2 года назад
All the turmoil starts without knowing God is the Creator.
@brandonborn9540
@brandonborn9540 2 года назад
They are being offensive to some extent, i think the difference is they don’t get hung up on it
@wills242
@wills242 2 года назад
@@brandonborn9540 yup
@DeeZeeJohnson
@DeeZeeJohnson Год назад
Oh boy, it sure is offensive It's pride that becomes the issue
@wills242
@wills242 Год назад
@@DeeZeeJohnson pride a bitch ain’t it. Can see everyone else’s bit our own.
@corekronoverse396
@corekronoverse396 Год назад
You know these two gentlemen respect each other by the silence and focus they both display.
@ayikegadli12
@ayikegadli12 Год назад
FINALLY! A logical, great, beautiful well thought conversation about 2 different religions not screaming at each other stating which religion is more evil. These two people keep giving me more hope in humanity the more I listen and watch their vids. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@furerorban9324
@furerorban9324 Год назад
for orbanus-eaters!!! orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@generaltheory
@generaltheory Год назад
I wish they said KAramAzov instead of KarAmazOff, it's not hard to know two things about Russian by your 50
@Ludwig_nicht14
@Ludwig_nicht14 10 месяцев назад
@@generaltheory He said Karamazov.
@generaltheory
@generaltheory 10 месяцев назад
@@Ludwig_nicht14 idiot
@-_Nuke_-
@-_Nuke_- 6 месяцев назад
"Well thought" conversation between 2 different religions? Religion is the core opposite of science and logic. So how on EARTH can you have a well thought discussion about something that is illogical and scientifically unfounded? Is beyond me... These are 2 very high IQ people debating about 2 things that are EQUALLY wrong.
@jam4350
@jam4350 5 лет назад
As an orthodox Christian, Jordan got this exactly right towards the end. We acknowledge Jesus took on our burdens and was perfect.... AND we acknowledge that that it is the ideal worth copying.
@jam4350
@jam4350 5 лет назад
@@rainbowgames1 You misunderstood my meaning. We are to copy christs example of selflessness and the burden of doing good that does not benefit ourselves- not taking on the sins of the world....Only Christ was perfect enough to do that.
@jam4350
@jam4350 5 лет назад
@@rainbowgames1 No worries. Yes, Jordan started out very shaky in the beginning but then came around to a fairly accurate birds eye view IMHO. Ben never did come around but I still have immense respect for both men.
@quick2311990
@quick2311990 5 лет назад
Christ has just started to call out to Jordan, and to wake him up. He will get there. Orthodox Church, true Church.
@shelbukowski1443
@shelbukowski1443 4 года назад
Who is "we"?
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@quick2311990 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@Chuby_ubesie
@Chuby_ubesie 2 года назад
The thing is this, Ben is right about Christianity in the sense that we recognize that only Jesus can take the sins of the world, and that our duty is to accept what he has done. But Jordan Peterson is also right when he takes about Christians taking up the suffering of the world, seeing Christ as an example. So basically, we recognize that sin can only be dealt with by Christ, and we also accept that its our responsibility to be the light of the world just as Jesus was/is. We see the problems of the world as our responsibility to solve, not by our own strength but nonetheless. We also believe that its our responsibility to direct men to Christ whom can cleanse their sins.
@58HUSTLER
@58HUSTLER Год назад
You wanna know what really fascinates me about this - two very brilliant men here. Jordon, supposedly representing Christianity, doesn't understand it's a childlike faith (meaning it's not hard to understand) that we can do absolutely nothing to save ourselves. Ben on the other hand, representing Judaism, fully understands what I just said but prefers not to believe it. He thinks Jesus was just some dude who tried to convince people to overthrow the Roman government, yet nothing about his life suggests that at all. In fact it's the opposite - many of the people who wanted to follow Him ended up being disappointed because he didn't do that very thing. They wanted a political Messiah, which is not why Jesus came in the first place. Bottom line friends - on political issues, they both rock, don't look to either one of these guys for theological truth.
@walleras
@walleras Год назад
@@58HUSTLER Strange the scripture told us to expect a liberator.
@walleras
@walleras Год назад
I have good news! G-d can forgive sins without human sacrifice
@Vic_hellohello
@Vic_hellohello Год назад
Jews are the chosen ones, everything started with them, they are the perfect humans.. Gentiles who are Christians are just the additional ones who Christ allows in heaven when we follow the same set of rules...
@loganpatterson3984
@loganpatterson3984 Год назад
Christians should NOT be listening to Jordan Peterson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V8y4FaHLV98.html
@fiji82bad
@fiji82bad Год назад
I think the big difference between this discussion and so many others on RU-vid involving Ben or Jordan is that both these men are allowing the other to make their point before responding. It’s so refreshing.
@kristimitchell5749
@kristimitchell5749 10 месяцев назад
It's so nice to see two people debate that are clearly not on the same side of the argument that will say things like "That's a good point," or "I agree with you on that." It's also nice to see that they do have differences of opinion and allow each other to express that opinion. Just yeah. So nice to see.
@dallasbelanger7959
@dallasbelanger7959 5 лет назад
He called Ben an “Old Testament Guy”😂😂
@aidank2108
@aidank2108 5 лет назад
lol
@tomvernham4594
@tomvernham4594 4 года назад
When in “Ben” is a Talmud guy as far as I can tell...
@jinsakai5307
@jinsakai5307 4 года назад
@Ray Hernandez dude just why
@alnotbiggaytho7124
@alnotbiggaytho7124 4 года назад
Which is false, the old testament is not the hebrew Bible.
@chidovimus
@chidovimus 4 года назад
Alperen 0485 yes it is
@kylebrewer5980
@kylebrewer5980 2 года назад
Two very brilliant men discussing different faiths with utter respect for each other. This is how discussion should be. 👏 well done boys. A big fan of both
@robjohnston1433
@robjohnston1433 2 года назад
You mean: "Two media-created 'celebrities' who use their Public Platforms to stir up artificial Shit-Storms in order to keep themselves high in the RU-vid Algorithm?" It's not like either of them are even SLIGHTLY respected or even noted -- among ACTUAL Public Intellectuals OR in the Academy!
@girlalhuda1825
@girlalhuda1825 2 года назад
Was I sent to the whole world or to certain people, O Jesus? Jesus: He answered and said: I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24). Ok, why were you sent and what is your message to the Children of Israel for which you came? Jesus: And Joshua answered him, “The first of all the revelations is: Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:26) Since you say that the Lord is your God, and you are not the Lord, as some say, who are you then? Jesus: I am a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God (John 8:40). And what do you say about those who claim that you are the Lord? Jesus: 22 Many will say to me on that day: Lord, Lord! Did not in your name prophesy, and in your name we cast out demons, and in your name we did many miracles? 23 Then I will declare to them: I don't know you, wake up! Go to me, you who work iniquity! (Matthew 7:22, 23) But you were saying to God, my father, does this not mean that you are the son of God? Jesus: Joshua said to her: “Do not touch me, for I have not gone to my Father tomorrow. But go to my brothers and say to them, “I am most in love with my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.” (John 20:17) There are those who say that you are a god with God, so what do you say? Jesus raises his eyes to heaven, saying, and this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. (John 17:3) You are the one who decides because you are responsible for yourself, so search for the correct religion, for it is the way to your salvation. Read, and research it yourself, and be impartial in your search, and do not rely only on what is mentioned in the Bible, your books and your heritage. This is not considered a search for the truth. You may be mistaken in your choice. There is no shame in searching for the truth in more than one way. Here we have shown the way. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be among the losers )The religion with Allah is Islam ( IFLAF.
@Ange0967
@Ange0967 2 года назад
Now try and bring a muslim in this debate 😅😅😅
@Ange0967
@Ange0967 2 года назад
@@girlalhuda1825 oh sorry haven’t noticed one was here already 😅
@jowho9992
@jowho9992 2 года назад
All religions/spiritual cults are man made control $y$tem$.
@janlyss
@janlyss Год назад
I’m so grateful for this! They’re two well prepared and educated guys, politely debating and challenging each other’s arguments; it’s so refreshing seeing such a conversation in 2023. Good old days in which our TV broadcasted intellectual debates in which the topic was not “Does a trans man has to remove their testicles?”.
@furerorban9324
@furerorban9324 Год назад
@philosophyInsights orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@ketainooson2884
@ketainooson2884 10 месяцев назад
😂😂
@ednebecera4373
@ednebecera4373 10 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@darkspark5854
@darkspark5854 Год назад
I have huge respect for both these guys. As a catholic, I’ve always appreciated Ben’s ideals. I like how this conversation seems like it’s more about them just noting their differences and not arguing about them.
@furerorban9324
@furerorban9324 Год назад
@@jimbob4456 for orbanus-eaters!!! orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@SweetBear547
@SweetBear547 Год назад
​@@jimbob4456why?
@SweetBear547
@SweetBear547 Год назад
@@jimbob4456 I don't believe just because someone is not catholic he doesn't go to heaven
@ST-hs7vz
@ST-hs7vz Год назад
@@jimbob4456 I am devout Catholic and say that you have know idea what you are talking about! Before you bash someone you should do some research and see what their true beliefs are
@ST-hs7vz
@ST-hs7vz Год назад
@Jim Bob “ Jim Bob ST How bout this one. So anyone who was baptized in the Catholic Church and doesn’t go to church every Sunday, will not go to heaven. Even if they are following another religion. Correct?” Jim Bob, great question but this also is an incorrect assumption. I think what would be nice is if you could have a nice mature conversation, like these 2 in the video, about the true beliefs of the Catholic Church. I think you may be a little surprised to find out that Catholics are not the monsters that some people want to make us out to be. We are trying to be the best Christians that we can possibly be, just like other Christian faiths are doing. I would be glad to have that respectful conversation with you are anyone else.
@hatol614
@hatol614 2 года назад
Wow. It's great to be alive in an era where I can hear a discourse between people like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.
@Dillon6479
@Dillon6479 2 года назад
Right? We were born to witness a special time.
@SuperBobby1967
@SuperBobby1967 2 года назад
They are the two most litterate people we have the chance to know.
@tomatoheadfd
@tomatoheadfd 2 года назад
Ben is a right wing goober. He judges moslim lives to be less then others and thinks civilian casualty 's are fine if it stops American soldiers from dying. He is so messed up in the head. Why is he not hated more?
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@Dillon6479 Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@Pablo Escargot Praise be to our Creator Almighty! my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@alwayschasingjesus3452
@alwayschasingjesus3452 3 года назад
As Christians, we believe that Jesus says by that “whomever loves me will obey my commandments”. So we are called to obey the same commandments.
@juliogonzalez8909
@juliogonzalez8909 3 года назад
Bingo
@ObliviAce
@ObliviAce 3 года назад
And it is also written: "heaven and earth may pass away, but a single of the commandments will not pass away"
@codyhumble7855
@codyhumble7855 2 года назад
As Christians, your organizations teach that history is irrelevant and that pledging allegiance to the church is more important than the man named Jesus who led a revolt against Rome and was crucified for the revolt, not for religious disputes. (Even the bible attests to this, as Stephen was stoned for saying Jesus was God, but Jesus apparently was not stoned for saying Jesus was god. it makes no sense to apply the justification "because the people loved Jesus" because Stephen was speaking about Jesus. Jesus was crucified by Pilate, a man who ruthlessly crucified any messianic aspirant for any reason whatsoever. He held more crucifixions than any other Roman governor of Judea. It was so bad that the people lodged a formal complaint. Churches don't teach their history, and that's why they produce so many blind followers who don't obey anything but themselves. If 70% of your congregations are fake or ignorant, that is the fault of the church. Also, I want to point out that I was very nice to only say 70% because we both know that number is ridiculously lowballed, assuming you've spent some amount of time in churches.... with an S.
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@codyhumble7855 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@ObliviAce my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@BamaFanUSMC
@BamaFanUSMC 7 месяцев назад
It's just a treat to watch two extremely intelligent and respectful people who I admire, debate with each other and not get all upset etc. Both men are great people in their own right and it's cool to hear them debate like that......
@abeham3103
@abeham3103 Год назад
I love how respectful and calm this is much love for both
@rules4life337
@rules4life337 2 года назад
Now I can understand why so many people hate this man. “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first’’
@howepellin
@howepellin Год назад
Who among these two?
@esayefishatsyen3744
@esayefishatsyen3744 Год назад
@@howepellin We will never know.
@L3onidas
@L3onidas Год назад
@@howepellin Jordan.
@carebear9
@carebear9 Год назад
@@esayefishatsyen3744 this person is quoting what Jesus said in the Bible
@esayefishatsyen3744
@esayefishatsyen3744 Год назад
@@carebear9 I know, I was just joking.
@ruddizzle1
@ruddizzle1 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely wonderful interaction between two incredibly brilliant men!! Loved every second!
@xnabr7603
@xnabr7603 11 месяцев назад
Always praying for Ben, he knows how to carry out a debate and is a model to all of us who may one day have to show the same respect to our opposing side of an argument.
@ministryofvolcano
@ministryofvolcano 4 года назад
Oh my Lord... Jordan Peterson passion for Christ is astronomical. I have another level respect for Jordan.
@MelbourneBossKing
@MelbourneBossKing 4 года назад
Hows that? I have only listened to a little of him so can't fully form an opinion yet, but it seems he misses the point of Christianity, doesn't believe in Jesus as God in the flesh but just a man nor does he trust in him and what he did on cross to pay for his sins.
@MelbourneBossKing
@MelbourneBossKing 4 года назад
@islanti thanks, I've since learnt that.
@theholeminute
@theholeminute 3 года назад
He believes in Christianity so far as Christianity is truth
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@MelbourneBossKing my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@MelbourneBossKing my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@educassiano
@educassiano Год назад
This was one of the best conversations on religion I've ever seen.
@Petal4822
@Petal4822 Год назад
That is why the Jews are God’s chosen people because they are so intelligent.
@mars4105
@mars4105 Год назад
​@Elaine keep copy pasting your comments everywhere. Don't forget that pride is a sin.
@Mo-gg8ts
@Mo-gg8ts Год назад
@@Petal4822 yet you can’t preserve the original Old Testament scripture
@Petal4822
@Petal4822 Год назад
Jesus is the incarnate of God, the awaited Messiah (the Christ) prophesied in the Hebrew Bible. For Jesus is the propitiation for our sin, as well as our advocate before the Father (John 2:1; 4:10). Because Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead, we will live eternally in His presence, enjoying and praising Him forever (Revelation 21:3, 22-26).
@Jl-yt1zd
@Jl-yt1zd Год назад
@@Mo-gg8ts It is preserved there is only one version of the Torah, unlike the thousands of versions of the Christian bible or the hundreds of Qurans. Christians believe in the Torah. Muslims claim that Jews altered the Jewish text to contradict Islamic ones. This itself is contradicted by the fact that the Hebrew Bible was already in the hand of Gentiles (Non Jewish people)
@marymo55
@marymo55 Год назад
The good doctor simply owns every conversation and debate he's involved in. He's probably the brightest, most RATIONALLY compassionate person I've ever heard speak, and I know some VERY intelligent people. My mother is by far and away the most intelligent person I've ever known.....so that says A LOT about Dr. Peterson.
@shug2795
@shug2795 11 месяцев назад
Wow...what a stimulating discussion based on sincerity, mutual respect and a want to understand rather than a need to win.
@dante19890
@dante19890 5 лет назад
Wonder what these guys actually do for fun
@JustTayo
@JustTayo 5 лет назад
Lol. They read books
@dante19890
@dante19890 5 лет назад
@@JustTayo about not so fun topics I imagine xD
@JustTayo
@JustTayo 5 лет назад
@@dante19890 definitely not fun
@katylouise5406
@katylouise5406 5 лет назад
They actually met at a swingers club! Balls deep in each other’s wives 🤷🏽‍♀️ go figure! Ha
@katylouise5406
@katylouise5406 5 лет назад
Magic.Mike if you are who you say you are then... ok 🤣
@CAVlogs121
@CAVlogs121 2 года назад
This is how all religious discussions should be. Very civil and respectful.
@michaeljames3393
@michaeljames3393 6 месяцев назад
2 of the most respected minds I have ever been blessed to listen too. That was a true, respectful debate.
@davidscott7460
@davidscott7460 6 месяцев назад
2 exceptionally talented and decent people engaging in a truly fascinating debate. I wish religions would come together in such a respectful way more often instead of trying to attack one another.
@madhurvyas25
@madhurvyas25 2 года назад
Whatever the arguments, I love how each of them is keenly listening when the other speaks, with absolute focus!
@RodH-pj1py
@RodH-pj1py 5 лет назад
Wow! I had no idea this existed. Two men i highly respect and admire having a conversation.
@dillonviers8550
@dillonviers8550 5 лет назад
Conversation? Shapiro can't wait to talk. Reminds me of my ex.
@RodH-pj1py
@RodH-pj1py 5 лет назад
@@dillonviers8550 haha true
@maxsiemens304
@maxsiemens304 2 года назад
Yet both of them don't have Jesus
@RodH-pj1py
@RodH-pj1py 2 года назад
@@maxsiemens304 yeah if I'm not mistaken Jordan Peterson sympathizes with Christianity beliefs but don't know about his stance. Shapiro is a hardcore jew so he doesn't at all. Regardless I believe Peterson is more humble and unbiased than Shapiro and is my personal fave
@maxsiemens304
@maxsiemens304 2 года назад
@@RodH-pj1py It doesn't matter if Jordon Peterson likes Christian beliefs, anyone who does not call upon the name of the Lord is part of the wicked. Both don't know Jesus as Lord and savior. And even though these intellectuals may be right in some things and smart I have found many things they don't know that God has taught me. Because God hides himself from the proud and those who rely on their own understanding and gives grace, knowledge, and wisdom in the Holy Spirit to the humble. Only someone with a childlike faith can enter heaven
@milocule1
@milocule1 9 месяцев назад
Probably the two greatest minds on the planet right now as far as thought experiments go, I could listen to them all day, respectful dialogue between two adults. That my friends is mental maturity!
@BobaDavis
@BobaDavis Месяц назад
I wouldn't put Ben in that category... I don't think I've ever seen Ben consider the idea of being wrong, about anything. He doesn't demonstrate that he still has learning from others to do.
@chizukinspiration613
@chizukinspiration613 11 месяцев назад
I am a Jew who is an ex-Muslim, these kind of discussions are very much needed in the middle east
@shane6115
@shane6115 11 месяцев назад
Won’t happen, they are to fanatical and are not prepared to listen to Jews of Christians
@K__kelly
@K__kelly 11 месяцев назад
Why did you convert just curious?
@shane6115
@shane6115 11 месяцев назад
@@K__kelly good question..
@chizukinspiration613
@chizukinspiration613 11 месяцев назад
@@K__kelly Greater depth, wisdom, spirituality and a closer connection to God.
@Earthling.7
@Earthling.7 10 месяцев назад
​@@chizukinspiration613nice joke buddy you still aren't real Jew because you don't have Jewish mother and your not from the tribe
@Doctor-Stoppage
@Doctor-Stoppage 2 года назад
I'm a Christian (I believe in Jesus and I believe the Bible.) Seeing two people I have admired and learned a lot from like Ben and Peterson talk about it is really, really, cool. Thank you for this video. 💪😎
@GS-vs4xg
@GS-vs4xg 2 года назад
Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@onemorecowswag
@onemorecowswag 2 года назад
yeah but where were you January 6th, 2021??
@jesusislordsavior6343
@jesusislordsavior6343 2 года назад
@@GS-vs4xg But is He concerned ONLY with Israel? See how the missionary emphasis develops as the Old Testament progresses. Was not Abraham called that many nations might be blessed? See Genesis 22:18. And to be clear, Abraham himself was not an ancestor of the Jews only. A 'mixed multitude' accompany the Israelites on their journey through Sinai. Moses marries an Ethiopian woman in his old age. Generations later, Boaz marries the Moabitess Ruth, grandmother of King David, ancestress of the Messiah along with her predecessor, Rahab the harlot. Observe the book of Jonah, where Jonah preaches to the city of Nineveh and is spectacularly successful, despite his wish not to succeed. See how foreign kings like Nebuchadnezzar feel compelled to pay homage to the God of Israel, Who is also God of the Gentiles, though they do not yet know it. Jesus said in John 4:22 that 'salvation is from the Jews'. However He NEVER said that salvation is guaranteed to all Jews based on their Jewishness. Nor did He say that non-Jews could not be saved. (Romans 1:16) 'For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.' The Greeks stand in this instance as representatives of the entire Gentile world. Do you expect to find Leon Trotsky in heaven? On what basis do you expect to get there? Do you observe Mosaic sacrificial laws for the purification of sins? In Hebrews 9:22 it says that 'without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.' Christ did not die in vain, and He did not remain in His tomb. See Matthew 28:11-15.
@mikeyounes2756
@mikeyounes2756 2 года назад
As a Christian which means follower of christ or (Christ like) do you support and tolerate LGBTQ? Do you tolerate it? Do you advocate for it? Because i guarantee you that Jesus if he was here he wouldn't. Christians today tolerate support and advocate for the LGBTQ and I'll give you an opportunity to show me at least one Christian who isn't so anti Christ in his believes.
@jesusislordsavior6343
@jesusislordsavior6343 2 года назад
@@mikeyounes2756 The question should not be what we tolerate, but what God tolerates. There is nothing in Scripture to suggest that God tolerates homosexual behavior or practices. Nor does He tolerate wicked heterosexual behavior, or murder, or theft, or idolatry, or any other sin. Therefore we are ALL bankrupt before Him in our natural condition. Only the blood of Christ, shed on our behalf, is able to cleanse us from sin, on the condition that we believe in HIm. It says 'that if you confess with our mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.' On the subject of homosexuality there is not a great deal of material in Scripture, yet it is very clear and consistent throughout. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, not exclusively but partly because of their addiction to homosexuality, for their lifestyle was extremely licentious in every regard. See Jude v. 7. Mosaic law prescribed the death penalty for homosexual relations-----------not that we should do the same, but the law indicates God's righteous STANRDARD. Romans 1:18-32, particularly v. 24-27, is an essential text which touches on the subject in the context of civilizational decline and corruption of religion. Unfortunately many in the contemporary Church are chasing the world's tail as regards this topic. They do not wish to seem 'irrelevant', 'out of date', 'out of touch' with contemporary culture. People who think that way have not fully grasped how OFFENSIVE the Gospel is to the natural mind, regardless of social implications. Give an inch, and secularists or followers of other religions will ask for a mile. Essentially they want a distinctively Christian witness to disappear from the scene. I am far from being a comprehensive 'conservative', yet I never agreed with secular politicians when they decided to revise legal definitions of marriage. However it would be counter-productive at this point to launch a campaign to reverse changes in the law. (It will be interesting to observe how Americans deal with challenges to Roe v. Wade, for the hearts of many Christians ARE invested in the struggle to save prenatal life.) I do think that LGBT people ought to be welcomed into the Church. How else will they gain exposure to the Word of God? Jesus said that it is not the healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. Indeed not all LGBT folks are hostile to Christianity, though some are very much so. Some are Christians who struggle with obedience in that department, just as 'straight' or intentionally celibate Christians may struggle in parallel ways, or different ways altogether. But when Christian clergy perform ceremonies for LGBT couples, they are WAY out of line. Also I consider it disingenuous and OFFENSIVE when LGBT struggles for recognition are placed on a par with struggles for justice on the part of oppressed ethnic minorities or racial groups. The comparison is based on fuzzy thinking, and belittles undeserved suffering.
@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro
@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing this with us! I'm watching it again after 3 years; very enjoyable listening to both of them.👍🏾
@Cypherus21
@Cypherus21 Год назад
Actually impressed with Ben Shapiro in connecting the dots and adding a really good theological argument as well.
@Checkmate777
@Checkmate777 10 месяцев назад
I disagree.he keeps representing Christianity as “Protestant” when the Catholic Chruch is the largest church. The Catholic and Orthodox Church are apostolic while Protestantism came to be in the early 1500’s.
@kjbenham6625
@kjbenham6625 9 месяцев назад
The Protestant church is also apostolic but acted as a corrective to Catholic acuses and errors first through the reformation and then through the counter reformation. Debate, confrontation and insistence on Truth have been good for Catholicism even if it’s uncomfortable.
@TheDiamondsions
@TheDiamondsions 9 месяцев назад
@@Checkmate777Catholicism is not Christianity although rooted in the same ideology.
@Checkmate777
@Checkmate777 9 месяцев назад
@@TheDiamondsions I’m not even catholic and that statement is just factually incorrect.
@TheDiamondsions
@TheDiamondsions 8 месяцев назад
and im a christian. i am aware we dont pray or believe we carry our sins the same way. we still believe in Jesus and God i mean. @@Checkmate777
@jeantodd8823
@jeantodd8823 Год назад
It is such a PLEASURE seeing to people having an actual conversation with some opposing opinions and acting like gentlemen!!
@megm9595
@megm9595 2 года назад
Two of my favorite people to listen to discussing w/ each other!
@terryambrose4996
@terryambrose4996 5 лет назад
As a Christian we are to count it all joy when we fall into diverse trials and tribulations . The joy part is a important part . That may actually be where this spiritual transformation happens or the reason why it does .
@terrormilk384
@terrormilk384 Год назад
the beautiful thing about this is the absolute lack of egoism and narcicism, think of music for example, the less its played with egoism, trying to show off and stuff, the more it merges with the soul, and the more you actually listen in a debate, the more two souls can merge into this beautiful dance we call talking.
@lancelot1953
@lancelot1953 Год назад
Brilliant and powerful discussion of great thinkers - thank you to the Rubin Report for this exchange which is so powerful for Christian and Jews alike - we are a lot more similar than different and our morals (or "code of conduct") are very much alike. Thank you and may the Lord bless us all, Ciao, L (Roman Catholic)
@Arbitrator76
@Arbitrator76 Год назад
We need more intellectual conversations like this.
@loganpatterson3984
@loganpatterson3984 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V8y4FaHLV98.html
@user-ed8zh8wj4s
@user-ed8zh8wj4s Год назад
*pseudo intellectual
@WyattSlurp-ml9sy
@WyattSlurp-ml9sy Год назад
*xavier
@furerorban9324
@furerorban9324 Год назад
@philosophyInsights orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@ZachariahMBaird
@ZachariahMBaird 2 года назад
I'm surprised by how thoughtful and courteous this discussion and this comment section are.
@zelified4life
@zelified4life 9 месяцев назад
This is amazing just a intelligent conversation. Both dress professionally, drink water instead of liquor and no threats to one another. Its just so foreign seeing this kind of conversation in modern day. So this is breath of fresh air to watch.
@icedcat4021
@icedcat4021 7 месяцев назад
Yes, this is a filmed show... what debate shows do you know where people wear sweatpants and throw back shots of whiskey?
@chosengod5943
@chosengod5943 6 месяцев назад
Joe Biden dresses like a professional and drinks water so he must be a genius.
@Lizestechreviews
@Lizestechreviews Год назад
i didnt understand half of this but i watched the entire things anyway
@ntitai
@ntitai Год назад
😂😂still commendable
@1stpaperdragon740
@1stpaperdragon740 2 года назад
I’m agnostic but debates like this are what I enjoy. Beats crusades any day
@quinnad2638
@quinnad2638 2 года назад
Try sheik uthman bro
@jesusislordsavior6343
@jesusislordsavior6343 2 года назад
1st PperDragon The Crusades had NOTHIING to do with the evangelistic strategies practiced by Jesus and His apostles. By that time, Roman Catholicism had become far too politicized, far too similar to islam in its worldly aims and bondage to crude superstition. Just lying back and enjoying it as an agnostic is not very commendable. Try looking for the TRUTH. Search the Scriptures until you find it. God is able to speak through its pages, to those who are willing to listen.
@1stpaperdragon740
@1stpaperdragon740 2 года назад
@@jesusislordsavior6343 dude god has literally been telling people to commit mass genocide before the Catholic Church was even a thing. That’s one. 2. I’d definitely rather be agnostic after being feed BS in church since I was 3 years old.
@jesusislordsavior6343
@jesusislordsavior6343 2 года назад
@@1stpaperdragon740 God has NOT been saying any such thing, either literally or figuratively. are you insane, or incredibly ignorant? Which is it? Perhaps you are referring to the narrative in the book of Joshua, which pertained to the OLD COVENANT with Israel. God also reserves the right to destroy wicked civilizations when they have reached a point of no return. Observe the behavior and teaching of Jesus, and observe the evangelistic methods of the apostles as described in the book of ACTS in the New Testament. You will see that true preachers of Christ are called to SUFFER FOR HIS SAKE, to ENDURE PERSECUTION. They are not to cause others to suffer, or engage in persecution. You are quite mistaken! I don't care what you would 'rather be'. You are quite the purveyor of bovine excrement yourself. A paper dragon, when it breathes fire, must consume itself. Good luck with that, man. There are no fire extinguishers in hell, so consider how you might bail out, before it is too late.
@kayvoncrenshaw1799
@kayvoncrenshaw1799 2 года назад
HERE IS THE MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION THAT EVEN THE MOST LUCRATIVE PERSON CAN'T BUY: Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here's a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God's name in vain? Jesus said, ”Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” if you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called H***. But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God's law and Jesus paid their fine. This means that God can legally dismiss their case: ”For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift. Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you!
@mr.b7004
@mr.b7004 5 лет назад
No, Ben, Christians ARE supposed to imitate Christ. Paul, in I Corinthians 11:1, says to the Chirch of Corinth, "imitate him as he imitate Christ." Christianity is essentially faith based, but it does have the understanding that you do still act in this world. Obviously, Jesus is the difference between the two religions... In the end, it seems like Ben is saying a major difference between the two is that the Jewish believe that if you act as right, then you know God; Christians believe if you know God, then you would act right. I agree with that assessment.
@JonathanMafi
@JonathanMafi 5 лет назад
Yeah but he highlights and i think highlights correctly that we cannot (as in are unable even if we try) do without Christ (specifically His Spirit in us). There has to be a transformation where there is total dependence on Christ. I think Jordan in some ways reduces the personality or relationship to Christ a living and real being right now.
@astrol4b
@astrol4b 5 лет назад
It depends, one of the main doctrines of Protestantism is "gratia sola", you are saved by your faith only because you can't be like Jesus, Catholicism, Orthodox etc. Stress the importance of works too, so in this sense are more similar to Judaism.
@jam4350
@jam4350 5 лет назад
YES
@thalonewanderer2146
@thalonewanderer2146 5 лет назад
I love how "Christians" attempt to dismiss the idea of following Christ's example by saying that people are ultimately incapable of doing so. The entire point Jesus was trying to make was that people should try to follow Him DESPITE the fact that they are incapable of doing so perfectly.
@jam4350
@jam4350 5 лет назад
@@thalonewanderer2146 Yes!
@juarez97
@juarez97 Год назад
Ben Shapiro is being carefully as of what and how to respond to in this dialog. Notice he is not speaking fast as he usually does in most debates, but he is choosing his words wisely, since he realizes how intelligent Mr. Peterson can be. As Peterson said it in his book, 12 Rules for Life. "Always assume that the other person knows something you don't."
@gaylerosenthal1828
@gaylerosenthal1828 5 месяцев назад
As a Jew, Ben Shapiro understands the value of compassion and respect. We all admire Jordan very much.I don't think he feels his knowledge or faith is any "less than". One reason I converted away from Christianity and to Judaism is the evangelical nature of Christianity. When you are in an evangelical faith you prosthelytize and convert others. This feels disrespectful.
@popeyepinnacle
@popeyepinnacle 4 месяца назад
@@gaylerosenthal1828 ben understands the value of "compassion and respect"?!
@gaylerosenthal1828
@gaylerosenthal1828 4 месяца назад
@@popeyepinnacle You don't agree ? Why not ?
@popeyepinnacle
@popeyepinnacle 4 месяца назад
@@gaylerosenthal1828"arabs like to crap destroy live in a open sewage" ?! You think warmongers understand the value of compassion and respect?
@popeyepinnacle
@popeyepinnacle 4 месяца назад
@@gaylerosenthal1828 "arabs like to destroy crap and live in an open sewage"?! Warmongers understand the value of "compassion and respect"?!
@goldgrimreaper
@goldgrimreaper Год назад
2 of the greatest speakers I've come to enjoy watching.
@ocanain1731
@ocanain1731 5 лет назад
Such a great discussion. My association with religion walks a similar, symbolic path as Peterson but I can't deny the wisdom that Shapiro brings to bear. A great demonstration in the advantages of opposing thought with civility and how we can really gain valuable insight.
@jesusislordsavior6343
@jesusislordsavior6343 2 года назад
O'Canain What is a 'symbolic path'?? Sounds terribly vague. Peterson is not a Christian, but someone who claims authority to interpret the Bible without understanding its doctrine. This is charlatanism. Jesus' Crucifixion, as recognized by responsible SECULAR scholars, is an indisputable FACT of history. His Resurrection, prophesied in certain ancient Hebrew texts (Psalm 16:10 for example), was witnessed by HUNDREDS of individuals over a period of several weeks following Jesus' execution. It was SO LITTLE EXPECTED that we may safely rule out 'mass hysteria' as a probable cause of existing reports. Read the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, where it is openly admitted that Christianity without a LITERAL Resurrection would be null and void.
@nicholascousineau4259
@nicholascousineau4259 2 года назад
They have stated their stances very well. I'm more interested in the progress that may come from further debate.
@HideNameMe
@HideNameMe 10 месяцев назад
We need these kinds of people like this in our society. Talk like a real man. Not screaming like psycho 👏👏
@TVH6669
@TVH6669 10 месяцев назад
Usally thats Ben Shapiro style.
@alkodjdjd
@alkodjdjd 7 месяцев назад
2 very bright people discussing respectfully and with knowledge. If only we could see this more often....
@123militaryman
@123militaryman 2 года назад
How refreshing it is to hear 2 intelligent beings have a civil conversation without one or the other trying to stop them half way through what they’re trying to say love them both very intelligent & well spoken gentlemen. Great debate
@ladygodiva4141
@ladygodiva4141 2 года назад
You need to get out more. This happens everyday in every quarters of society.
@ja7950
@ja7950 2 года назад
@@ladygodiva4141 were talking about in the united states.
@xyro1643
@xyro1643 2 года назад
@@ja7950 yeah happens all the time
@ja7950
@ja7950 2 года назад
@@xyro1643 not in florida
@ja7950
@ja7950 2 года назад
@Julius Turner more intelligent than the president you voted for
@Madpencildust22
@Madpencildust22 Год назад
Where can I be around more conversations like this? I crave these type of topics and respectful communication.
@adamkahn8645
@adamkahn8645 Год назад
finally, two magnificent public speakers respectfully debating a topic i find the most important
@jodie9522
@jodie9522 Год назад
I’d love to see Ben and David Bernard have a discussion.
@josuerivera7921
@josuerivera7921 5 лет назад
What a beautiful conversation!!
@pweetypoo
@pweetypoo 2 года назад
I like what they are both saying. I grew up in a Christian home but I've left the church to learn about the truth in doctrines
@kannayao
@kannayao 9 месяцев назад
I am Bhuddism, and I enjoy listening to these two great guys.
@rebeccamcelwee3514
@rebeccamcelwee3514 6 месяцев назад
There is no greater love than this, that a man lay his life down for a friend.
@siredith8846
@siredith8846 Год назад
This isn’t a debate. It’s an exchange of good ideas.
@henriquecamboim
@henriquecamboim 5 лет назад
This is much better than WWE, at least when it comes to honesty. BTW I like them both for different reasons.
@ezekieltete6584
@ezekieltete6584 4 года назад
Henrique Martins what’s this got to do with WWE 🤣🤣🤣
@justinsimon154
@justinsimon154 4 года назад
Ezekiel Tete it’s a smack down woooosh
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@ezekieltete6584 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@theknowledge2774
@theknowledge2774 2 года назад
@@justinsimon154 my request to all brother and sisters all over the world is that plz go back to your scriptures... atleast must follow the one message common written in all scriptures of the UNIVERSE( BY THE HELP OF GOD I MUST GIVE YOU REFERENCES if you want WHETHER IT IS FROM JUDAISM CHRISTIANITY HINDUISM AND BUDHISM)that ALLAH ALMIGHTY (THE GOD,THE CREATOR,THE SUSTAINER,THE SUPREME POWER,THE REAL KING AND THE OWNER OF ALL) IS ONE,and Prophet Mohammed (SAW) IS HIS LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER...!!!to enter into peaceful and lovely life eternally... The truth is clear with logic... please follow for yourself... please prevent yourself from the eternal hellfire by accepting and practising atleast common message of Creator in the religious scriptures of the world....I invite all of you to show me one word of the holy Quran that is against the ethics of humanity...read about Islam...
@----f
@----f 2 года назад
@@theknowledge2774 Stop you're only discouraging them for investigating Islam. Nobody appreciates random spam comments. You're embarrassing.
@BigfootRAHHH
@BigfootRAHHH 10 месяцев назад
Notice how Jordan understood everything Ben was saying to articulate precise responses and didn't just go "hes wrong because he talks fast and tries to sound smart"
@shawn20768
@shawn20768 6 месяцев назад
Thank you, both
@sharmibhalla6092
@sharmibhalla6092 Год назад
Peterson really reminds me of apostle Paul such a powerful conversion. God is using him so mightily! So exciting! I am a Hindu convert to Christianity 25 years ago. I just love how God works through powerful salvations.
@ronjon7942
@ronjon7942 Год назад
That's a beautiful thing to write. Thank you.
@Mike-nq7gb
@Mike-nq7gb 10 месяцев назад
He's not a apostle of Paul or God that's the problem
@karene0508
@karene0508 7 месяцев назад
I respectfully disagree, Paul was not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ!
@integer9826
@integer9826 2 года назад
Just listen to this make me realize how little i know about my religion. Super smart guys and very professional conversation without throat cutting.
@StrikerBurns
@StrikerBurns 6 месяцев назад
I want more from these two. 👍🏻🙏🏻
@jacobjordan6626
@jacobjordan6626 Год назад
one of the very few times that ben is in a room with someone as intelligent as he is.
@mikeflo6459
@mikeflo6459 2 года назад
It’s amazing to watch these two gentlemen discuss a real topic. Both are very smart and articulate in there beliefs. Amazing to watch these two amazing souls. A debate that’s not violent or people screaming at one another.
@rockyk1395
@rockyk1395 2 года назад
The real question is. What would've happened if Jesus loved to old age and was never crucified?
@mandarinesc
@mandarinesc Год назад
JP is ignorant of Christian theology...
@bp2000k
@bp2000k 2 года назад
The best conversation about „their faith without trashtalking“ of all time
@jrcuartz1829
@jrcuartz1829 Год назад
@3:32 "that's a really good objection I think" Now how many conversations between two opposing religions have you ever heard this said to the other? This is how we should talk about sensitive topics like religion guys! This is an outstanding video between to intellectuals having different opinions and still respect each other!
@user-jr6zh5cc6r
@user-jr6zh5cc6r 10 месяцев назад
great debate ! a respectful dialogue a proud o f logic and espirtuality.
@kadenmckibben9986
@kadenmckibben9986 2 года назад
Love the mutual respect and the open mindedness within the debate. Need more in modern times
@drahunter213
@drahunter213 Год назад
I love being in conversation like this myself just asking questions and or giving answers and talking about things at length with others in person…idk but taking and trading ideas and learning from those talks have a certain glee or something to it where I can’t get enough lol
@user-qn4om1zj4d
@user-qn4om1zj4d Год назад
72. The Christians who say that ‘Allah is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary’ have committed disbelief, as they have attributed Lordship to someone other than Allah. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, himself said to them, ‘O Israelites, worship Allah alone. He is my Lord and your Lord. We are all His servants’. Whoever ascribes anything as a partner to Allah, then Allah will not allow them to ever enter Paradise and their place will be the fire of Hell. They will have no one to help or assist them before Allah and no one to save them from the punishment that awaits them. These words are from the Holy Qur’an, and it is the word of God, my friend. The matter is dangerous, and the verse has revealed everything and made clear the punishment (hell). My friend, search carefully for the true religion and raise your hands to the sky and pray to God, and the biggest evidence is the entry of many people, priests and scholars to Islam, and thank you 🌷
@user-ed8zh8wj4s
@user-ed8zh8wj4s Год назад
False idols all these online rats lie through their teeth
@SargentWebbz
@SargentWebbz Год назад
@@user-qn4om1zj4dI’m not very religious but why do you go to hell if you’re not a Muslim? I mean I know different gods have different codes/rules and beliefs but at the end of the day is not just believing in a higher power not enough?
@furerorban9324
@furerorban9324 Год назад
@@user-qn4om1zj4d for orbanus-eaters!!! orbanus-Nazi State Media: You have met Viktor Orban, who is also often maligned by certain media outlets. Do you think what you could have read about him reflects reality? JBPeterson: Possibly, I can't say for certain. I know that one of the things your führer is trying to do is reinstitute the metaphysical foundations of Hungarian culture. He might be lucky and succeed.
@johnpeeler4455
@johnpeeler4455 Год назад
My dad explained being like Jesus perfectly. He asked me what the best golf score is. I said a 52 and he said no its 18. I replied how can you possibly shoot a 18 and he said that’s like being like Jesus. You can’t possibly do it but you should try your best at it. Some holes you will bogey or triple but he still loves you and you get in the cart and go to the next hole.
@syrupofwahoo3059
@syrupofwahoo3059 Год назад
Broseph, your pops nailed it, 💯
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 5 месяцев назад
Yeah jesus christ he totally been sticking with the most people who are lookdown outcasted by society also physically/ mentally abused by various unfortunate things. Im sure its impossibly heavy hard to carry cross with jesus everyday if we never consider ourselves deserving of getting crucifix for our sin. We know what kind of people end up there before JESUS CHRIST.
@BenEmberley
@BenEmberley Год назад
I'd just LOVE to see Christopher Hitchens (if he was still alive) and Richard Dawkins take on both Shapiro and Peterson. That would be GOLD.
@jacobraji2442
@jacobraji2442 2 года назад
In Judaism itself the scapegoat, or the sacrificial lamb/animal appears. SO while Ben is right in saying that Christian's believe that we could not pay entirely for the weight of sin, we needed Jesus to take on the sins just as the jews believe about sacrificial animals. But at the same time, Peterson is correct because Jesus himself emphasises the importance of "Taking up your own cross", "entering through the narrow gate", and being prepared for the judgement to come. Ben's view of Christianity is a more protestant view, while Peterson takes a more Orthodox/Catholic view.
@BaconBits95
@BaconBits95 2 года назад
This. You encompassed that so well. The reality is that Jesus says being His follower a beliver in Him is not easy it requires refinement a process. Look at the old Testament the Tabernacle was a sort of representation of Christ and the journey to the Father, the High priest had to go through a series of steps in order to make it to the Holiest place. Now today we NEED Christ in order to receive the gift of salvation through his sacrifice but the work doesn't just end there it's a constant journey the way He was tempted on earth too so are we. THROUGH Christ we become better people. So technically they're both right lol just debating very specific doctrines on Christianity.
@alfredhitchcock45
@alfredhitchcock45 2 года назад
Perfectly said
@jpamm5926
@jpamm5926 2 года назад
Whilst you are correct that Jews have sacrificed animals, this is viewed as the lowest form of attaining forgiveness. In fact, you don’t get forgiveness. Rather, the sages teach that the best way to attain forgiveness is to admit responsibility for the mistake and sin that you committed.
@jpamm5926
@jpamm5926 2 года назад
Personal responsibility is central to Judaism and antithetical to Christianity. Human sacrifice (through Jesus) for your own sins is not only opposed by the teachings of Tanakh, but to worship this practice as HaShem is pure idolatry. I have a lot of respect for Dr Peterson, but he’s way off on this one. I’d recommend listening to the words of Rabbi Tovia Singer.
@magicmath2714
@magicmath2714 2 года назад
@@jpamm5926 personal responsibility is a key them in Christianity. We are called to turn away from sin, repent, and follow God's commands to the best of our ability. Our salvation is not works-based, as no man can earn his way to heaven, but we are still called to imitate Christ and do good. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews follows God's commands out of fear of punishment, whereas Christians follow God's commands out of love for God. We don't do what is right to avoid punishment, we do what is right because it is right- simple as that.
@gotnotimefordis7182
@gotnotimefordis7182 2 года назад
It's sad that we're praising these guys for having a civil debate. Don't be mistaken, these guys did absolutely great! I just wish debates were more like this instead of people trying to kill eachother.
@loganpatterson3984
@loganpatterson3984 Год назад
actually, this is sad to know this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V8y4FaHLV98.html and to see comments like this
@mihsalanswer1933
@mihsalanswer1933 Год назад
I really enjoy watching these two I always watch especially Jordan Peterson videos both are intelligent
@crxssairs5815
@crxssairs5815 Год назад
The collab we never knew we needed
@grantbartley483
@grantbartley483 2 года назад
The apparent paradox between salvation through faith and the standing requirement to be moral. is resolved by faith implying action. in the Bible, 'faith' means 'trust' , and If you trust someone, you follow their advice, if not their commands. If you don't, to what extent do you trust them?
@That1GuyOnYoutube
@That1GuyOnYoutube Год назад
People followed gods endorsement to take and keep slaves because he said in the bible to do so, while others who also claimed to have faith in the same god, chose to be against it. It's hard to take religious people serious when they follow the same god, but have completely opposite views on what god wants and what is moral.
@grantbartley483
@grantbartley483 Год назад
@@That1GuyOnRU-vid Sorry, which verse is that? And how do you ground moral objective truth without God? Otherwise it is hard to take your own argument seriously. In any case, you know it is right to love. So which God says, for example. 'Love your enemy'? Don't mean we're good at it, of course. But Jesus did say that if he did what he commanded we would know he was telling the truth (it's in John somewhere). So give it a go. Think of it as a test, if you like. Minimum one week,
@JohnWick-xk8io
@JohnWick-xk8io 2 года назад
“If our bodies have no spirit, they are dead. In the same way, if our faith does not lead us to do good things, it is dead.” ‭‭James‬ ‭2:26‬
@loganpatterson3984
@loganpatterson3984 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V8y4FaHLV98.html
@blackhole7667
@blackhole7667 Год назад
James was a Chad🗿
@whoppergoldstein5308
@whoppergoldstein5308 Год назад
This is an old video, at this point-- i just wanted to comment on how wonderful that painting is, behind Jordan.
@zeniehudson7098
@zeniehudson7098 6 месяцев назад
They are both brilliant..no sarcasm , no insults thrown ..
@livingashtree1942
@livingashtree1942 5 лет назад
Damn.. this Jordan Peterson guy is one smart guy.
@michaela3681
@michaela3681 2 года назад
We just call him “ dad”
@KYLE-kl4td
@KYLE-kl4td 2 года назад
@@michaela3681 true
@tca3021
@tca3021 2 года назад
Why?????????? How do you know that Jesus is the Mesiah???? How do you know that is not a manipulation?? Because the churc says??
@mmells_12
@mmells_12 2 года назад
@@tca3021 stop
@tca3021
@tca3021 2 года назад
@@mmells_12 Why?? Are you afraid of the truht????????
@michaelwolgroch958
@michaelwolgroch958 2 года назад
Always a pleasure to hear intelligent people have an honest discussion
@mlindalina1
@mlindalina1 Год назад
Shapiro unfortunately vomits his nonsense making gnorant people believe that he is intelligent. It's very sad.
@rusokana3642
@rusokana3642 Год назад
Jordon Peterson maybe sure, I give you that. maybe not this topic though, ben Shapiro is just a politician so no. And they are debating over a fairy tales. Calm down
@generalpro6141
@generalpro6141 Год назад
@@rusokana3642 “fairy tales” 🤓
@generalpro6141
@generalpro6141 Год назад
@@rusokana3642 Don’t you atheists ever have anything better to say?
@56username
@56username Год назад
🥰👏🏻👏🏻 Tender Plant Lives Hidden Message in the Torah /Tanak / Bible Hidden within within the genealogy first Sons from Adam. Genesis 5 : 3-32 NAMES ---- Name MEANINGS Adam - Man Seth - Appointed Enos - Mortal Cainan - Sarrow Mahalaleel - Blessed GOD Jared - Shall come Down Enoch - Teaching Methuselah -His Death shall Bring Lamech -To Make /Low Mighity Noah -Rest / Favor / Fulfilled Name Meanings written in a Sentence 😳 Man appointed mortal Sarrow Blessed GOD shall come down teaching His death shall bring to make low/MIGHTY , rest favor FULFILLED My Interpretation: Jesus given a task to preform from this earth feeling of deep distress BLESSED GOD shall come down as Jesus teaching Jews as a Rabbi His death shall bring SALVATION to make low to hang on a tree becomes MIGHTY rest/ favor/ FULFILLED HIS Purpose 🤔 Keep this in mind 🤔all 10 generations timeline took place up to chapter 5 of Genesis ,Hidden Message telling Jesus COMING 😲 Approximately 4 thousand years later before it HAPPENED only God ! Ten Trillion people could not have gotten together and had have written 1 fact and placed it in a book Foretelling of there coming Christ 4K years before it Happened . Who hath believed our report ? For and to whom is the arm of Lord revealed ? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath No form nor comeliness ; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a men of sorrows , and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our grief , and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was all . He was oppressed , and he was afflicted , yet he opened not his mouth : he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter , and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openers not his mouth. He was taken from prison From judgment: and who shall declare this generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living: for he was cutting off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence , neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him ; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin he shall see his seed , he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul , and shall be satisfied : by His knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many ; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore Will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the spoil with the strong ; because he hath pored out his soul unto death : and he was numbered with the transgressor ; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Who is this About? KJV in Isaiah 53 The Truth will set you free ! Christ means Messiah , Jesus was a Jew and still is . Jesus is not a religion, Jesus Loves You Believe ON The Lord Jesus Christ You are Born Again Believe as a child Just Believe RAPTURE Very SOON 😳 Thursday 25,2022 Or 28 , AV 5782 9:32 AM Control time , has not happened yet , any Second Are you Ready , Believe Heaven or Outerdarkness God will not hear your prayers that is hell. RU-vid : Rapture 2022
@ISAGAARBO98
@ISAGAARBO98 Год назад
The Ending got me...i don't know why, but something about Jordan's response being cut out it's kinda funny lol
@johnny96888
@johnny96888 Год назад
The two greatest intellectuals on RU-vid against one another!
@nandumenon2004
@nandumenon2004 2 года назад
Most civilized conversation I've seen on RU-vid.
@paynedv
@paynedv 5 лет назад
I understand what Jordan Peterson is saying learning and understanding Christ and scripture relating to our higher purpose. I know what Ben Shapiro is saying based on the outward appearance and popularized doctrines which are mainly modern not truly attributing the action of Christ's love for us to oneself but accepting what was done and living whatever way seems fit depending on the strength of that belief, sect, church, home, etc... Narrow is the way my friend.
@GS-vs4xg
@GS-vs4xg 2 года назад
Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@skybluemillyrs
@skybluemillyrs Год назад
I love these two men, Jordan and Ben. Thank you God for intelligent people. Lord open these two men's heart and mind. Amen
@matthewgallant3622
@matthewgallant3622 6 месяцев назад
I’ve heard Petersen quote Dostoyevsky a bunch lately, I need to really read The Brothers Karamazov
@leemitchellmusic
@leemitchellmusic 2 года назад
Jordan & Ben...i could listen to for hours and hours...
@lva9821
@lva9821 2 года назад
I have come to understand that humility, meaning facing one's own darkness and recognise sins, allows us to be ready to receive healing and forgiveness through Christ' s atonement. It is all about opening our hearts to be able to receive. Nobody can deserve God's forgiveness, we all fall short but we can be ready for it.
@smjcamp1
@smjcamp1 11 месяцев назад
I would love to sit down and talk with these people.
@UR2Compliant
@UR2Compliant Год назад
Wish this interview/debate would have been longer and not so abruptly cut-off...
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