Jordan Peterson discusses whether men and women can ever be equal 

Equality is only good for losers, not for winners, who would lose for the sake of miserable losers. Sad thing that there is much more losers and they will pull more and more people with them, because it's just easier to not even work hard, just force others to give their share. Usually they use our feelings, usually females and feminine men (losers) are these or vote for these people. We know them, they are leftist. They can't handle reason, logic, statistics or facts. Immidiate blameshifting and shaminglanguage strikes usually in. If they can't do that, they start to cry, because they got hurt.

@@N0T2BAD Why wouldn't equality of opportunity be good for winners? It's not like they are going to lose now just because everyone has an equal chance. Equality of outcome is stupid though.

@@sulaimans That's already given to most of people. But yep, I agree that it should be in future too of course. But if people don't even realise why you are among those "losers", that isn't any reason to blame and cry about inequality (of outcome). :)

I laughed my butt off at that!!!

In pollitics, you can hear her plug her party later in the video.

Its the clown in the blonde wig I'm suspicious of.

Machines can do that, 99% of programmers and mechanical engineers are men too though lol. Most women go for easy jobs, that’s just the way it is. Easy jobs have supply though so the demand is low = low pay. They aren’t asking for an increase in wage for garbage men paid by the gov, only education as it’s mostly female and a cushy job compared to trades or STEM fields.

women*

I don't think the idea of equality means we should force them to do it. Equality means we should allow them to do it if they wish to and are able to, without harassment or prejudice.

That the most incoherent crap I have ever read. You don't read much do you. Go and drink your beer and watch some teletubbies or something.

Anyways, you can't disagree with proven facts and put your settled opinion there instead. That's kind of foolish.

Facts beat feelings every time.

@@robertbarkovicz800 yeah this woman just plainly ignored the facts of a very important study. She just comes up with her unicorn riding around in her brain and says it will work. Everything is socially constructed if you are a social constructionist.

People are often extremely offended by objective reality if it doesn’t align with their preferred “reality”.

Is the most logical thing regarding this matter...I guess not all this majority is rigth but we are talking what is "fair " so...is fair enough to use studies and research ...

All people are different

​@@fvwak sure, but why haven't I ever met a woman working in the oil fields? Nobody is stopping them..

​​@@eonreeves4324🤐

if we measure everyone by what position they hold in government or high paying jobs then no one is equal. Woman can give birth so men are already unequal to women because men cannot give birth (regardless of what modern day people say that have lost touch with reality)

@@eonreeves4324..or on a construction site (doing something other than holding signs or counting things).

Wouldn’t be surpirsed if she was asked how you’d measure equality and she answered with: Football fields.

Its like they r stuck in a cage or something lmao

I dont know where she lives but in my country woman can work wherever she wants as long as she have qualifications to get that job . Where is that unequality and slavary of womans XD

Isn't it funny how that 'freedom' she is talking about is actually wanting to force women into areas of expertise they themselves don't want to be in. There are a bunch of people thinking that equal results is equal to equality, which it isn't. And that is not only in gender department, but also in other stuff like the level of intelligence of someone (which degree/qualifications they have). Forcing 'equality' has actually taken more freedom away. And has actually taken opportunities away from people who have worked for their opportunities, just because we are forcing equal results in gender, equal results in skin-color, equal results religion. Equal in anything but skill and intelligence.

My thoughts exactly

3rd wave feminazi 😆

😭😭😭

That's because she couldn't say: "Basically women get everything for free and everyone has to do as I say."

What a stupid answer - it sounded like she did not even understand the question. Feminsts are super stupid.

@@pingpong9656 I think she actually tried to understand, but wanted to bring up the research she had prepared. I don't know who she is, but she seems way too underqualified for this discussion. When you compare her to other feminists he's been discussing with, she's tolerable.

It's his field of study. It's really him and other people that don't know what they are talking about.

@@vertualvice Jordan seems to be the only person to show up to these debates with receipts.

Anything that has to do with a human, Jordan will know.

Can you tell me please where I can find this research? apparently you must have read the "data" he talks about, right? As I was astonished by what he says I decided to make some research as well and I am finding the opposite of what he says. I am myself a French woman engineer, and in France the number of women engineers keeps increasing. So yeah, if someone has the numbers he talks about I am interested. From MDPI: "Increase in Women Engineers Last year, we featured senior scientist Dr. Katalin Balazsi in our article for Women in Engineering Day. The article focused on the low proportion of female engineers in several different countries. In 2021, in a few countries, such as Norway and Latvia, over 50% of engineers were female."

@@ninaherge6991 you must be brain dead or something this was 5 years ago numbers change dummy

Well said. People in general regardless of gender, race or whatever should be treated equally. People should not be promoted to fulfill a quota, but because their performance deserves it. To do anything else degrades the person, is not good for the business and potentially promotes resentment in the workforce in my opinion.

@markwith140. Well said, except your understanding of equality and equity is backwards. Equality is about equal treatment. Equity is about pushing for equal outcomes, regardless of merit or qualification.

....it's just another political trick by the higher up to crack the whip on labor to become more obedient, more a functionary, more "looking the part"... the corporations now have quotas of equality to fill, they can bully those lower on the hierarchy to "act" the part. It's just Big Brother closing his fist to gain tighter & tighter control over the sheeples behavior, just like ALL governments' response to COVID.

I told a female coworker five years ago, that the only reason why she got the opportunity was because she was female. Yes, she was a good worker. And a hard worker. She lacked the experience for the position. And there were many men, including myself, that way many years of experience than she, who deserved the position. But that what the company wanted. It’s not about male or female. It’s about the best person for the job.

Understood, I think I saw a different definition, but meant what you said.

Exactly

@Chainvelocity CH In an ideal sense perhaps, but most "activists" these days are under the impression that "whining" is in fact doing something important ("raising awareness" and "waking people up" are the common slogan rationales).

She is an activist and à sick one too.

Perfectly said

Women and thinking do not go hand in hand.

🤣🤣🤣 She sounded like she didn't prepare her notes the night before

@@snowysadventures3698 or ever

Yup. She's an utter twit.

@@wwyd4akb 🤣

Blah blah blah blah her job is safe as she can muddy the waters for morons JP is not stupid

"Knowledge is Good"-Emil Faber

Shes quite an intellectual.. Not.

"I like turtles!" ~ the I like turtles kid

equlity meain male and female same oppurcunity should be ❤ he , she any think wanna be free should be that , s meain think freedom also relate it, .

😂

Hating women is the way to go these days. Of course men love a man who hates women read the comment section to see how much men hate women. Peterson can barely hide his hatred of females.

He always is !

lol, i thought exactly the same, but my answer to her would be:"Where are your chains? where is your ball wrapped around the anckle?"

@Stroke My thought was, those are two completely different words that are not similar at all.

@@AHSears yeah dude i whas like wtf did she misunderstood him or something

Faithless well she’s in the UK so she doesn’t have certain freedoms (freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, etc.)

There is no equality (scientifically, mathematically, etc.) without boundaries, rules, and framework. Therefore, freedom cannot exist where there is equality -- particularly equality of outcome. This is an inarguable characteristic of the universe.

WE NEED MORE FEMALE PLUMBERS

@@faceless_lurker not a bad idea XD

That's just the kind of logic these "progressives" don't want.

Because it's the future plus the women need to take the male role when men don't go to university and when more girls do.

I am a woman. I studied in mathematics & I am very “feminine” & Christian. I feel that people hearing Peterson often use that to let go their hate of women. Yes the left goes too far. But the right is worse with all those Zionist Evangelicals pro war^^. Today, left or right, it’a just a trap. Peterson brings nice elements which I agree a lot, but sometimes he becomes dangerous to people too simple to really listen.

Stranger2Langley nah, not even 1%

He did not even need to go super saiyan, he is still in his base form.

Everyone knows he's smarter than most people on tv. He's just taking a breather lol.

He could out-debate her using someone else’s lesser brain.

Jordan: It's not even my final form!

D. S. 😂 lol this is good. I’m gonna use this sometime

Exactly, transgenderism contradicts feminist theories quite nicely.

One thing is gender identity as such, the societal norms that apply to each respective gender, after it has been established are a second thing. Differentiating would really help an honest argument, because it decreases the chances if people misunderstanding one another

@@joecarom391 and those two things happen totally independent from one another right? Boys like to pkay with toy cars at a very young age bc they are already shaped like that, right? Its just so curious that transgender people often like to behave in a "stereotypical" way that is associated with the opposite sex.

@@TheBaioken the difference between nature and nurture is more complex than that, certain stereotypes and cliches are present in the media, and it's naiv to believe that that doesn't hold effect on people. If anything it's so ingrained that people don't question it. All typical behaviors? Didn't say that. Some are propagated for sure. Not to say that all of them are bad, and that people might feel comfortable with them. Especially when empowering. As for transgenders, they often feel the need to overperform their gender, because they are scared of not being accepted as transgender otherwise.

I was disappointed because I don't this woman represents that side of the argument very well at all with her points

Yep, showed herself up by ignoring the study he quoted and saying "I'm interested in studies such as...."....what she actually meant was she's only interested in studies that prove her point.

Yes because, feelings.

She is also not understanding him.

A useful idiot in other words....

actually, almost every women who debates with Mr. Peterson does that. Its a pattern.

I know, right? My answer to people who claim that, is to just watch other things. The only person who can decide what I see is myself.

@bigpink pencil My god, seems like every comment you make, you sound more stupid. You're in a bubble.

TV is made for women, by women.

Exactly

@bigpink pencil I don't see any programs only for guys but you get Loose Women and guff like that.

Self Enlightenment is hard earned, not for everyone? Mirrors of consciousness, are in the mind of reflection!😅🙏

You cant forget "I love my job"

"I'm interested in the data as well. Like that one study that validates my opinion."

Technically she did elaborate... 🤷

@@raedbk7234 That sound eerily sexist

@@raedbk7234 keep it to yourself. Losers who want pussy and women who have been told otherwise will hate you.

Souls aren't real. Your value is your merit and ability. These are physical and mental characteristics. Some people are really smart, but are in a wheelchair. Some people are really strong, but dumb as bricks. Expecting Mike Tyson to be as good a physicist as Stephen Hawking, Stephen Hawking to be as good a boxer as Mike Tyson, or women to work as hard and be as strong and capable as men, is retarded. Equality isn't true of men, and it isn't true of women either. Percentile for percentile, men are better than women at damn near everything. And thanks to traps, we now know that "damn near everything" includes being better at "being women". There are biological differences in both the body and the brain that enforce gender roles and your biology doesn't actually care if your chosen politics find that problematic or not. You can get on board with it, or you can fight it and lose. That's why the gender roles exist. Women are emotional and manipulative and seek dependability and resources and commitment because they raise children, and those skills make them successful at it. Men are strong and responsible and logical because they have to take care of and provide for the family, and those skills make them successful at it. A woman's decisions and opinions don't need to be right, because when she's wrong the man fixes it. So she can be irrational and still raise children. But a man has to be competent, or his role as provider won't actually work, because there's no double-man above him to bail him out. The buck stops with him, which is why the man is the head of the household.

Thanks for clarifying.

@@williambarnes5023 Equal, but not the same

@@williambarnes5023 maybe you don't have a soul or are you just being an arsesoul?

*"maybe you don't have a soul or are you just being an arsesoul?"* That's brilliant. You should write material for feminist comedians.

i agree but its not a MAN, WOMAN thing

Tommy Coyle oh, yes it is - at least a strong preponderance. I agree on most issues with Julia Hartley Brewer, but she’s at the extreme tail of the female bell curve in terms of logical thinking, c.f. emotional thinking.

hahaha u scoundrel

I dunno man, she sounds like a moron to me.

Insult upon insult

Hahahahaha xD 😂

then again you're looking at the extremes of the gaussian distribution :P

😂

You're too generous; its more like, 98.9% of the IQ on that studio set. Speaking of which, reeks of too much soy product (the other participants) overload that they, in turn, hold an inverse 99% dominant majority therewith. (Compared to Jordan that is)

The burden of not being an idiot borderlines being a curse. Now a days it's nearly a death sentence, socially for sure though.

I am a woman, was a programmer. When I gave birth to my son, I quit my job to raise him full time.

​@@zengjanezhuprops to you.

U are not equal u are unique queen

But you have rights. Dont forget it.

Freedom! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

peperoni pizza

equality means getting stuff for which one didn't work. (in short, it means SH1T!)

i was just gonna say the same thing i guess only Indians notice this 😂😂😂😂 she so dumb she made no sense not all

No, she respond : freedom. But your brain is not "equal " 😁

Right!?

Did I ask???

@ The Cove: I would have loved to have lunch with you or gone on a long beach hike where we could draw stuff in the sand. We could have had "down and dirty" conversations (honest, realistic ) about gender differences. But, socially constructed underlying gender issues usually prevent this types of free dialogs. I love strong honest women who tell truths boldly and as free of feminist crap as possible. Trust me, men and women are very different in many ways.... and biology is basically why.

Agreed.

Candas Owens?

normal is the new genius

hahahahahahah

I think 40 is being far too generous to her

at least 60

exactly that

The Iq difference is over 9000

I know the feeling well, I couldn't put it better.

I was that guy LITERALLY & most of my so called friends called me a coward because I didn't drink alcohol (still don't)😃

Benny D I was speaking in metaphor.

phil doodler Some of these appearances make me feel so sorry for him. You can see him physically manifest his irritation with the morons he suffers. At least his book is being plugged.

He is the sober guy, in a room full of drunk idiots.

Exactly! And as where IT-boys/men are still presented as nerds, socially awkward and not very good looking, the IT-girls/women are portrayed as very strong, smart, self secure and good looking.

😹

HAHAHA. It was painful to watch really

Lol pure fluff, talk about candy coating socialism! Fluff flufff, egaulty of outcome for everyone, fluff flufff fluff, freedom and Eutopia, fluff fluff fluff purge the haters, lock down, mandatory genicide,, purge the haters...

@Wilfried MBANG he said they increase

Lol dumbasses cant even answer a simple question when asked

It is clear example that man and woman don't thing the same.

"Jordan is interested in scientific and evolutionary data, I'm interested in society and its gender bias" In other words JP is interested in facts, her in non-provable theories that men are sitting around thinking of ways to hold women back.

This is a huge issue with the left(American Left for my example). The Right will just deny studies but they are consistent on what they deny, while the Left cherry pick to their agenda and tend to be very hypocritical because of it and typically illogical. They echo chamber hard and if you corner one in a debate its very easy to out wit them

I'm a 555 like , but will that stop apocalypse?

This

The only sane person.

The only sane human being.

nope! i am sure there are many panel discussions where others were intelligent too, but we wouldn't see them on YT because they are not viral.

Yeah but comments like this and millions of views from supporters make him continue to push.

You can see him wince at the repetitiveness of the arguments that are put to him.

She knew she fucked up as soon as she said it

@bigpink pencil yes, the place where the science has been done

Aha!

@@xrphoenix7194 Sadly these people doesn't care about the result of science unless it fits their agenda.

@@bertert158 true which sucks because if they stop we as humans could grow

I absolutely believe what you say, and am truly angry that you got the way you were treated. Men in the workplace can still act like jerks, I suspect that you could still have risen up the ladder if your work had warranted it if you had stayed. Cream rises. As a young man I was treated similarly by women when I worked in a work place where I was the only man in a female dominated workplace. It needs a more balanced workplace, bur that still needs to be based on merit. Workplace impropriety needs to be addressed at the same time.

When was that? Personally given the affirmative action type of policy for the past decades, particularly past few years, when a woman or a minority excluding Asians got the job or won the highly contested scholarship, I wondered is it because of equity policy? That kind of mindset of course hurt women and minorities who got there by their own merits, but how an outsider knows, given so brazen equity policies. Like the SP 500 companies for the past three years only 6% of their new hires are white in a white dominant country.

You know, there are better male physicists than you

And don't you think the life sciences should be equalised so that men have equal numbers there?

It’s UK media, it’s ALL pro left wing and click bait

@@nano4778 same in the US. unfortunate that the corporate media chooses to divide us based on superficiality and identity politics, knowing that most people will concede to their emotions rather than their rationality.

jeremys a tool

@@kdburner7356 the Tories are tools

I hope you do know that Peterson said he doesn’t think women and men could work together because the women will distract the men working. I can try to look up the video if you want. Also here Peterson talk he always gives “non-answers” but slightly imposes his views. These replies give him leeway by saying “I never said women will distract men I just said when women show up to work they where makeup and proactive clothes which may not be good around men.”

let's try it! the only thing to fear is fear itself!

EZ Assegai: LOL! Woman should try that test , to prove the "theory" !

However, if you hurt yourself, it's a man's fault, cause men built this wall.

"It just hurt because I didn't try enough."

@@stotterotter8003 "thats not REAL RUNNING"

@roven 08 did you even understand what he said? You are essentially agreeing with him Women are paid less because they do not work same as men! If they did work the same as men but were still getting payed less then every capitalist venture would go for the cheaper labour who do the same work for less pay than men?!

Most of the time. I really believe all these sjw things have truth to them, but they are ALL overblown to a huge degree

Getting Jacked they dont have any truth. Since the beginning of time a certain amount of people have loved playing the victim and creating falsehoods to push an agenda that makes them feel like they have power

dobattlers they do have truth. Do some cops abuse their power? Of course. We’ve seen footage of it. But the majority don’t do that. It’s just the law of percentages. The issue with sjw is that they act like everything is an epidemic and they end up crying wolf because whatever issue they are talking about doesn’t actually happen as often as they claim. Do you get me?

Smart observation Sophie

Feminist: If we get the media on our side we can make them think its 6 its the medias fault its 4 after all

Ahahhahahahahahahhsah

At the end of the talk jordan says whatever jesus this is brilliant xD

You have a perfect grasp of this entire conversation.

Not what feminist is about but ok...

Good point!

She hung herself,and contradicts the point she tries to make.She is part of the indoctrination that is so prevalent in the lefts ideology.

@Shayyan Ali Don't try to figure it out you just go bonkers and thats exactly what some like her want,is confusion.The old saying goes,"B.S baffles brains".Just stick to the good old fashioned common sense,learn by your mistakes and never try to over think something,thats where people go bonkers and there is no resolve.

Most underrated comment I've ever seen.

ian damn I actually read this whole paragraph.

1000%

That's btw not from him originally

The sad truth to that statement is that, if we all followed it religiously, we'd all end up in rooms by ourselves. That's not a good outcome.

I think on this occasion, he may have even been in the wrong building.

I think he has said before that these interviews and Morning TV Shows tire him out. He had considered turning them down multiple times because they get him on not to debate, but to attack him and he has admitted constantly falling into the trap.

Bahahahah

Well actually, if she was quick enough, the answer would have been yes. By putting in programmes that equalize men and women by REDUCING the number of men in prison down to the same no. as women in prison.

chambo1010 Yeah, we’re investing so much focus in pushing women ahead because they’re “disadvantaged”. How about some attention to males from low-socioeconomic backgrounds to reduce incarceration numbers?? That’s a more clear-cut pressing problem to me. Then the feminists will say “but they choose to do crimes”... but don’t women “choose to do lower paid occupations, degrees, hours, etc”?? Then they’ll say “yes but that’s because of gender-normative social pressure etc”... okay “what if that’s the case for low-socioeconomic male felons “... feminist: “but they choose to do crimes”... me: “okay but why”... feminists “because they just do”.. me: “no, be fair, you have to give *some* reason/s”... feminist is then logically cornered to say either male biology/hormones, or social conditioning/pressure for lower-socioeconomic men, or some combination. If they say biology, then that’s straight up hypocrisy, since I say biology is a reason women make lower paid career choices (ie having kids, working less, for “female” careers etc), OR if they say socio-cultural reasons, then that’s the same argument they are giving for females not enrolling in STEM university courses... or if they say discrimination is a cause, then same thing, that’s what they say about the gender pay gap - same thing, hypocrisy. Regardless of which reason they pick, male incarceration rates is at least just as much of a problem as gender pay gap. If they refuse to choose to acknowledge reasons for men’s “choice” to commit crimes (ie. the reason is just that they “choose”) then that means it’s equally valid for me to say the same thing that it’s just that across the board women “choose” lower paid work situations. The truth is, for both issues, it’s different combinations of all of these factors. I think there’s a much more solid case for lower-socioeconomic men being “discriminated” against by the system then for women being “discriminated” against in this day and age.

That argument didn’t even make sense. What does it have to do with anything? Jordan usually gives great arguments so I put him at a far higher standard than that. You kinda come off as one of those people who behaves in a way he doesn’t really condone. Like you probably go around talking about leftists this and leftists that and call them libtards. You can’t have real thoughts or opinions when you’re so heavily bias.

chambo1010 you’re smart

The eye opening omission is the "end results". Just for sh*t and giggles, put men VS women brick layers. Let's see WHO will finish the job first. ALL business owners will choose the most efficient team. I'm not saying women can't do the job but...time is money.

Right. I love how she has absolutely no answer to his stats on men's work

*gets drafted into iraq*

Oh yeah, it's incredibly transparent. I've never heard a single feminist argue that more women should go into waste management, powerline repair, mining, construction, etc. All the disgusting, hazard-pay jobs that most people are lucky to not have to do.

Phillip Woody Shepherd I agree

This comment has no where near the love it deserves.

Love this 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻

XD good comparison

Excellent 👌😀

lmao.. 😂

Lmao😂😂😂😂

🤣🤣

And they are gonna get the evidence data and statistic and additional info you never thought you might need that you are not a gangsta

Best

Funny she wears long hair, a dress, earrings, long nails for someone against female stereotypes and anything gender traditional

Eduardo Torres 😓😓😓

Nope, in this case she is saying we haven't considered all the variables that can social engineer minds like media depiction and role models. Maybe girls are more socially suggestible due to their tendency to focus on people and social relationships so more vulnerable to certain stereotypical gender role suggestions that don't correspond to biological differences but are the product of environmental molding. Whereareas boys tend to not care as much about other people by comparison and do their own thing. If that's the case, then many females choices would be heavily influenced socially and not purely out of their natural preferences.

@@c.s.70 try again . Jordan states that efforts to remove what your talking about, have pushed in the opposite direction, and Sophie ignores this and wants to keep pushing the idea that boys and girls are the same rejecting the evidence of what these programmes do

The woman made good points. If you took your mouth off Jordan's... for a minute you might actually listen. The point about establishing gender roles isn't irrelevant just because of relatively recent efforts to promote equality in a country. There are no facts disproving what she said because it is too complicated and deep rooted in human society to truly observe objectively. The reality is that giving people more choice does not always affect positive change as Jordan alluded to. In other words, people are not always rational. Using data to explain the behavior of irrational beings is a tricky affair that no one has yet perfected. What Jordan doesn't do is elaborate on what may have caused this or offer alternatives to achieve the intended result. He is mostly just engaging as a devil's advocate, which is really what you paid admission for right? When society was fiercely conservative and oppressive, you lot would have all been raging, counterculture hippies. Find a better balance. Peace.

@@lordXAVIJAANBJERGNOG "When society was fiercely conservative and oppressive, you lot would have all been raging, counterculture hippies." You're exactly right. People who think critically push back against society's excesses.

What a moron she is!

@@TheTeehee11111 Great observation!

@@koin88love I know that was obvious but it's a good way for me to dissipate my frustration by writing it down😂

😂

On the surface that would seem like a good arguement. but i can imagine already that her response would be that they are just fallling into the stereotypes that are forced upon them. Part of the reason that their arguements still live on despite the evidence pointing the other way is that they can easily disregard the evidence. The point in the video above where this is most obvious is when Jordan said that the Scandanavian countries are trying it and failing. She responed by saying, well they aren't there yet. She like all the equality of outcome supporters has built up a huge repository of arguements and counters that bypass the evidence. It makes them very difficult to effectively debate on short interviews because you dont have time to pull apart each arguement. but if She were put against him in a longform debate, I think it would be much easier to tear down her arguements.

She literally said " we should program women to go into stem field" like wtf you tryna brainwash them

Thankfully Tommy Coyle (above comment) cannot comment you used sexs here....good work! Hope you are happy Tommy!

How many self help books have you freaks felt compelled to buy?

lots because they're written by straight, white males! We have to keep that patriarchy in power! LOL

They didn't let JP talk hardly at all, lmao. What a trashy show.

"y'know... y'know... y'know"

more like *** i look at the data, but then realize it disagrees with me, so I just ignore it & continue to say I'm right & that everyone else is wrong...

Really? In _'12 rules for life'_ Peterson argues why growing up in small towns is better than doing so in the (pesky leftist?) city, and coming up with a _survey_ that mentions that the vast majority of people who achieved great things for humanity (scientists, inventors, doctors etc.) all came from small towns. But when you check what survey he's on about, you find it was done in the early 1900's, a time in which almost _everyone_ came from rural places, to then move to the city. Talking about _'looking at data that support one's views only.'_ The guy is an utter demagogue. (and a very unpleasant narcissistic one at that) (Sophie IS of course a nitwit. Peterson seems to only show up, opposite TV nitwits. I'd say to ensure he'll always come out as _the reasonable_ one, afterwards? Cause every time he debates anyone intelligent, he fails terribly)

Boris B could you send me a link to one of the debates on this topic in which Peterson fails miserably?

@@benjamindavidscargill5633 ps: please notice him, coming up with his _'metaphorical substrate of our culture'_ (later calling it the _metaphysical_ substrate of our culture). It's utter blabla bullcrap, he tries to make sound _scientific_ by saying _"if you study the brain, you'll see this too"_ (or words like that). See WHAT? A metaphorical/metaphysical substrate? In our brains? He does this a lot: utter complete woowoo, to then pretend there's a scientific bases for it. There hardy ever (never?) is. And also (sorry for the edit): how he calls something _true/real_ if it's _useful._ Anything not useful, isn't real/true? Cancer isn't real? Plastic is useful, but now our oceans are full of the stuff; how does that work exactly? Is plastic real, till it started being harmful, or what? (forgot if that last part is in this clip, though). Oh, almost forgot: how he again claims that our morality is the christian one. It isn't. It's a secular morality, based on the ancient Greeks, that just got interrupted by the horridly christian dark ages.

The Scandinavian study isn't a list of surveys from the 1900's, and while I agree that Dr. Peterson often uses rosy, elliptical language to push narratives, pointing this out does nothing to disprove any of his more robust arguments. The basic thrust of this argument about Christianity forming the "metaphorical substrate of our culture" is that Judeo-Christian values undergird western societies, and we very often take for granted the extent to which these various principles, tropes and beliefs are a byproduct of Judeo-Christian influence (e.g. all men are created equal, we should treat all of humanity like our neighbors and tribes, children and childhood are sacrosanct, no one is perfect, the most vile and loathsome criminal can be redeemed if he sincerely seeks to mend his ways--these are all almost exclusively manifest in protestant Christianity.) He didn't argue for the existence of God when speaking to Matt Dilahunty because he doesn't believe in God. He believes that Christian values are unlikely to survive a hard push toward secularism and that their absence will be disastrous for anyone living in societies founded on such values. And you can't deny that as we become more secular, people become more and more enamored with ideologies that contain religious elements (e.g. privilege is original sin, micro-aggressions are venial sins, bigotry is the cardinal sin, your criticisms of feminism only serve to demonstrate why feminism is necessary, and so on.) Matt Dilahunty may not be wholly on board with this ideology, but he is very cozy with it. Notice the way his feathers got ruffled at the end, when Peterson alleged that early "humanism" was "pretty secular"? Dilahunty can see that other forms of humanism mirror religious thought, but he is totally blind to the manner in which his own form of humanism does the exact same thing. There are times when Peterson's arguments are specious. One of the biggest gripes I have with him is that he very often takes words with common usages and tries to retrofit them to concepts that have nothing to do with the way we commonly use the word. So, for example, we commonly understand "beliefs" as low-confidence dispositions (positive or negative) about the truth of a proposition or the existence of a thing, whereas Peterson very often argues that belief is a way of talking about propositions that motivate your actions, the nature of which you often aren't aware, such that they can only be reasonably inferred by independent actors assessing what you do. But this way of thinking about beliefs allows him to advance claims about his own beliefs that don't fit common usage (i.e. he acts as though he believes God exists because he adheres to the morals he believes to be the byproduct of Christian values, ergo he "believes" God exists.") That said, using his tendency to treat the categorical scopes of words as a great deal more elastic than they ought to be (even though he is always forthright about when he's doing this), and then using this as a means of casting aspersions on him during other engagements where he has used no such tactic is lazy, and disregarding him on this basis is foolish. I have yet to see anyone refute any of the arguments he put forward here, nor did he refute the data presented by his opponent, as it was already consistent with the claims he advanced in the first place.

Great observation, thank you!

Have my upvote

I work in an autism and extreme challenging behaviour unit and I wish more men were in this role instead of little girls because I'm fed up of running around all day and saving them from being mauled. Lool true story, they can't do anything!

@@deansharpe7499 Thank you for your wonderful and compassionate care for these beautiful people. It takes gifted and understanding people are n these fields who will strive to improve the lives of others. I think if she had chosen the words 'encourage boys towards care' it would be better recieved. I wish you a wonderful holiday season!

@Hello Bruh You thought 100 pound, 5 foot 2 girls would be good working in an extreme challenging behaviour unit restraining grown men that can flip out at any second that punch, kick, bite and headbutt? They are not their mothers so that "motherhood instinct" doesn't exist in this setting. What does exist in this setting is them shouting and screaming every time for help. Also lets say that you have an extreme service user that can display for 14 hours a day, that is extremely physically strong that requires 3 people to be around him at all times and you are put with two little girls for 14 hour shifts a day. Lets take the other day for example where the girls couldn't hold him down and let go of a restraint 12 times in 5 minutes leading to him sitting up and biting my neck area. Luckily I was wearing a hoodie and he only manged to bite the cloth but that could of been me done for. Something happens like this weekly. I have been threatened with sexual discrimination because I brought this issue up with my manager. What few men work at my job literally just run around all day saving these girls from being fucked up.

Dávid Nyilas 😂😂👍🏻

More importantly, Feminists: Everyone should run with the same speed.

@Lzb Lmvm Women aren't dumb. Certain cultures and societies have indoctrinated women into believing an illusion about how this world works. Overall I think women are smart but they have bought a lie that seems flattering to them that all their problems can be blamed on "men", and this "patriarchal" society. And if we can just remove men, or weaken men, or destroy men, then suddenly feminine problems will largely go away. They are wrong.

@@darkhorse5232 but you have to admit, you would have to be pretty stupid to believe that.

i say to them, good luck trying to convince god to make women built like men

Rare thing nowadays

Yeah, they should ban people who make too much sense!

Gregg Everman so far they are trying to make them censored. Because the loudest people are thinking he’s a horrible person. The majority agree with him.

You got me in the first half, ngl

What a poignant comment. Very well said.

*More rights, more likely to finish school less likely to get charged for a crime, less harsher punishment for the same crimes... "there's no place on earth where women are equal"- fuck off you spoiled brat. (oops, mean words... muh sexism)

2manynegativewaves you commie hahahaha

2manynegativewaves - So does she. And the likes of her too.

The real irony is that her husband is one of those middle aged white men in government that she is always complaining about on twitter. One day the penny will drop. She's not very bright.

@@PlutoTracks --- I think she actually said "nowhere on Earth do women have equal rights" which is even more absurd. The right to speak, the right to bear arms, the right to remain silent. All of these rights are non-gender specific. Sure, in backwards shithole countries women can't vote or drive but in Western countries women have had equal rights for at least 50 years now.

That's some real wisdom there beard.

Its_bearded_wisdom completely

@@nathanmorgan3647 I'll die laughing some day

Nice moustache.

@Gotthatgoin4me many are.

Lol

Statistics can be manipulated to tell very big lies, however, this has never been done by jordan, only by those who argue against himz

Said every leftist ever

@@gravinboginagis6568 Everything you know can be a lie. Its up to you to find wich is the truth. But sweet lies work better than hurtfull truths for the mentaly weak. ~Verno

@@vyrenvygolo2429 bruh I’m gonna print that out and stick it on me my bedroom wall,

It’s orange. Nice try, though.

Hahahaha nailed it, mate.

Nah she knows equality is... just not fair equality, or equality that makes sense 😂

there is no 'equality', that's why people with agendas make up their own definitions. there is equity.

But she said it's freedom

@@waitthisisnotpornhub3860 freedom of what? Complete freedom? Are men completely free to do whatever they want?

but then we wouldn't have this gem of a clip

Looking at how he already convinced one person. I think coming to shows like these is the least waste of time. Preaching to the choir is a waste of time. There is something to gain here instead.

He convinced how many viewers of the show that there cannot be equal outcome along side equal oppertunities? AANNDD HE GOT A FREE SHOUT OUT

Wasn’t he promoting his book?

@@itsmatt517 yup...

There was nothing more for him to say, really. He so effortlessly exposed the foolishness of her argument that there was no way for her to recover. His job was done.

HI Rameez K, Jordan is a lot more patient than I would have been. I'm a woman and I wanted to jump down her throat. The blond guy made the most sense. Women still have the babies, and until science finds a way for men to have babies, things won't and can't change. BTW, it's already illegal to pay women less than men for doing the same job.

mine too!!...just listening

@@GustAdlph the equal pay act was passed in the 1960s in the US. Like cmon people

He sounds annoyed as hell to me. At one point he's so pissed he can't even look at that chick.

It reminds me of the discussion he had with Helen Lewis where he said that the conversation was boring and predictable because everything she was saying was mouthpiece leftist ideology. As with Lewis, the woman in the video was regurgitating the same feminist doctrine over and over, not even opening her own mind to listening what Peterson was saying.

I don't think that he's bored. I think that is how he processes the information coming in and uses it to keep focused.

@@dragonstuff1983 Agreed, I do the same thing and it drives my wife mad. I, however, am nowhere near as intelligent or eloquent in my speech as he is.

Its cause the pen has a better point the person he's arguing with....

@@crw662 Would call him silver-tongued rather than eloquent.

Because deep down feminists believe men sit on leather couches, smoke cigars and boss people around just because of our genitalia. They don't see the real work, hardship and strife most men have to endure to reach the pinnacle. They want to be airlifted to the highest mountain peak instead of climbing it like most men do

NPC's😂😂😂

Well said, couldn't have put it better myself.

ROFL 🤣 🤣

Do you even know what you are talking about? Peterson just robotically repeated his tired old argument, an argument that consists of outdated and debunked conservative talking points. He hasn't looked at the data. He isn't even well read on Marxism. He has only ever read the Communist Manifesto, which was intended by Marx to be a primer pamphlet for 19th century peasants. Peterson is a grifter, And you are an NPC for making your dumb comment.

@@donkeyshow8543 Aww, I'm sorry. Did i trigger you? Are you upset? Good.

It’s waste of time arguing with these people

holepeople.exe

There's two types of people in the world, those who listen and those who wait to talk

yeah but equal .

So you're saying...

@Assoluto Cosmico well: they usually do

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Hahaha

@Assoluto Cosmico Well if they had a live audience of women there that comment would be met with thunderous applause..

I was worried that the audience will start clapping and I'll lose it

Many people are in the same case. They are too dumb to realize there is a difference 😔

Fr

Can someone explain the difference of equality of outcome and oppurtunity

@@riob7119 equal opportunity would say that if two people have the same skill set ie one man and one woman they will have a completely equal opportunity (ie likelyhood of success in interview) when applying for say a nursing job say (Jordan would certainly agree with this). Equal outcome would say that there should be 50% male nurse and 50% female nurses in a hospital (Jordan does not agree with this).This is because if you took 1,000 men and 1,000 women, a higher number of woman would want to go into a caring profession such as nursing. This is partly environmental, but also partly genetic. If you tried to equalise everything in the environment as they have tried in Scandanavia more woman would still want to do nursing as this is a genetic trait. So paradoxically if you decide equal outcome is essential people will have less choice at doing things they actually want to do.

@@riob7119 JBP explains it well in the video. But sure, let me give a try. Equal opportunity ensures that regardless of which groups you belong to as an individual, you are provided with the same rights and the same access to the opportunities. For example, say there are 10 vacancies for a job in a company. Regardless of your gender, race, sexual orientation or what not, you are eligible to submit an application in order to be considered for the job. Equality of outcome is about prioritizing the group identities. Your group identity takes the primary focus and your individual character takes the secondary focus. So considering the same example above, if the company wants to ensure equality of outcome, they will select the 10 hires according to the proportions of numerous groups in the population. If women account for 50% of the population 5 vacancies should go to women. If 30% of the population are from the minority race, 3 vacancies should go to the candidates from that race. If 10% of the population are gay, then at least 1 gay person should get the job. Equality of outcome completely ignores the individual capabilities, social, cultural and biological contexts. It simply talks about quotas. Quota for women, quota for colored, quota for gay, quota for this and quota for that. It is a never ending catastrophe, which could result in right person not getting the opportunity. Plus if you are an individual in a group, which they think that deserves a quota, even if you did get the job solely based on your merits, you will think of yourself, and will be labeled within your peers as a quota entry, which is highly unfair, yet cannot avoid as long as we practice quotas. If you are a girl, You wouldn't want to be a "girl" engineer. You would just want to be an ENGINEER.