@@naveenreddyadmala3669 Dude if we assume that Lebron is more athletic, that would make MJ even better than him because MJ has accomplished a lot despite being less athletic.
Jordan may very well be the goat/better player. I am a person who is really neutral on that topic. I would say that just because Jordan’s opponents in the finals won a lot of regular season games doesn’t make them just as competitive as the teams Lebron’s teams lost to. I feel like no team could ever beat the warriors teams with KD on them. Period. They are the goat juggernauts and they are weak for teaming up like that but no team is touching them in any era. So if the bulls would have had a chance to beat them and did, I would feel this way about Jordan, but I know they’d get punished like Everyone else who’d try to take on the 2 best shooters ever and the best 7 footer-ish ever in KD. And yes, he may be 6’11” but he is not 6’9” lol.
when it comes to layups LeBron is left hand dominant you dumb ass. literally the best driver in nba history. scouting report on MJ is you don't have anything to fear unless he's getting carried by scotty pippen
Do Americans know that MJ is more popular than the basketball game itself. I'm from india and basketball is non existing here but Everyone remembers MJ as one of the greatest athletes of all time and THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME.
*All-Nba Player.* LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ): *East- 58.* *West- 147.* Lebron James feasted in the weak East. Let"s not forget that Joakim Noah was the last first team All-Nba Player ( 2014 ) besides Lebron James before Giannis ( 2019 ).
@@beepthestrongestwarrior8746 It's nice you took time away from relations with your sister to drop a racist joke. I'll let you get back to selling your kids Xbox for oxy.
Lebron started it when he claimed with a straight face that this win makes me the best of all time lol check out the other stars in the room when he says it Bahahaha Only thing more laughable is his sprite add Love you Lebron but stay in your lane you’re heads to big I can’t see the screen
bob brown Lebron said i have the most points in an nba game 7 FINAL in history. Jordan has never been in a game 7. Lebron doesn’t have the killer insect like Jordan
@Inigo Bantok he was playing passive in 2011 and they were using a zone scheme stoping the drive from lebron with dpoy Tyson Chandler and in 2014 d wade was washed from his former self I would hardly call it a juggernaut he was damn near by himself out there
Nick McMurray if you’ve looked into anything about Wilt’s time you would know it was obvious that Russell was a better player. Coaches, analyst, and other players from that time say the same thing. Wilt isn’t even top 5
Lightnin I don’t really think it’s that obvious or simple. Russell was an incredible player and you could argue he was the most unselfish, most team oriented player of all time. And also the greatest rebounder and defender of all time. But Wilt just dominated too much for me not to consider him better. The fact is Russell played with better teammates and Wilt still took the Celtics to elimination games on multiple occasions. Wilt was a far better scorer, lead the league in rebounds more, played almost as good of defense, and even lead the league in assists one season, something no Center had ever done. And I believe that season the Sixers won 68 games, so it’s not like he was just doing it to stat pad, it actually lead to a really good winning record. Wilt holds more statistical records than anyone in history, while being a 2 time champion, a 4 time MVP, a Finals MVP, a 7 time scoring champion, ASG MVP, and won one of his MVPs as a rookie. Don’t mistake me for disrespecting Russell because I’m not. He’s the GOAT defender and was the most unselfish player in history. But Wilt was just different
And plays in a league where you can’t touch anyone. 65% of MJ’s career was during a time you could body check someone and not even a get a flagrant foul. MJ had every single tool. Jordan has more amazing highlights just during random games no one remembers like 2.3.90 against the Spurs and Robinson.
shit tim donaghy would beg to differ quote “I was in Philadelphia and I am refereeing Sixers-Bulls. They were cracking down on the spin move that they wanted the officials to call traveling. Michael Jordan makes the spin move, I make the call. Phil Jackson comes off the bench and he starts giving me sh*t. I say, 'wait a second, Phil. You know as well as I do that's the spin move they're telling us to call.' And he said, 'while they might want that play called, they certainly don't want it called on him', and he pointed at Jordan who just walked by and stared at me. I got in the locker room, the other referee said, 'they want that call but don't want to on him.”
@@yosnags8447Ummm… I was a teenager in the 90’s and I’m incredibly bored watching basketball now. However, I can say this irrefutable statement: BOTH MJ and LBJ get calls in favour of them. I wouldn’t be harping on that point as I see LBJ get all calls his way. You know he ISN’T getting a normal call his way when he’s screaming at a ref throwing a HUGE princess fit.
Are you kidding? MJ invented the legal travel. and had weak guards facing him in big games - mostly 1v1 with no zone defense. Ex, Danny Ainge, Dan Majerle, Craig Ehlo, Scott skiles, 175lb Kevin Johnson, etc. Dumars was ok, but the size of Steph curry and MJ lost to him lost of the time.
@@grillbuster1519 He had two step travels on breakaway dunks. They get about four steps today. There were lots of good defense guard, but even if you claim they weren’t, at least people played hard defense then and you had to be willing to get physically punished if you want to drive to the hole often.
This guy retired almost 20 years ago and keep his life private, doesn't engage personally on social media and until now we are still talking about him. Thats Greatness right there. And his shoes sold more than the current players combined.
Bill was MORE private than MJ, and we were still talking about him over 40 years after he retired (he started getting more public around 2000). Chuck Taylor probably had more shoe sales than MJ did - but that's at least a debate.
I have had the privilege of seeing both players entire careers, Lebron’s to this point, and while I think they both are great... Jordan is literally the best player I’ve ever seen to this day...
Why do y’all think NBA players were afraid of Jordan lol not they were not Jordan wasn’t even a aggressive player to be afraid of he played with a highly competitive edge if you’re scared of competitiveness as a professional athlete something’s not right lol they was not scared of Jordan they just knew what he was capable of and in basketball you don’t like to be shown up
Lebron doesn’t play with exactly the same competition nature this is possibly why people the this way but lebron is just as much of a problem if the more as he can more consistently hurt you from anywhere on the court doing just about anything whether it’s creating for his teammates or scoring much better 3pt shooter than Mike was and just about as good from mid range
Hahaha I remember a player saying that this is how he approached playing against MJ. You just kill him with kindness and you don't give him any reason to take sh*t personal 😂
MJ for 3 reasons 1. Killer instinct and highly competitive 2. Tough and unshakeable 3. Small feet for quickness at 6'6 and hands of a 7'8 center. Jordan could do things with those big hands players of a similar size like Kobe and LBJ could never do. MJ was a once in a 100 year athlete just like Wilt was for his position.
That isn't a thing. A high ratio of fast-twitch muscle, good limb ratios and lower body strength gave Jordan a quick first step... and quick everything else. @@elisampley7598
@@bowenhammack6155 lmao look at his career average stats. Dwayne Wade was a far better player, hell even Bosh was and I don't see the HEAT with LBJ getting a 3 peat
Wow ! Do you know that I never ever knew that about him Andy C & truly I am not even a fan of MJ but how can anybody in my generation even say that they have seen a player who is better than MJ 😳 I just don’t get it 🤷🏾♂️
@@peterlebedev4229 yeah & Maybe Lebron James did play more seasons and more games Peter, but 82 games 9 years 😳 look at those numbers 😳 are you kidding me ? Geeeeeeeeshhhhhh that is a whole whole whole lot of work & he once told somebody in an interview that he didn’t want to be viewed as just a scorer & did he not back that up. & let’s try to imagine if he didn’t break his leg early in his career or his Father did not tragically die. 😳 Michael Jordan single handily took Basketball to a whole different level. Basketball is my favorite sport & I use to play the game and I can’t sit here and imagine what it takes to reach that plateau as a basketball player and guess what ? Neither can Lebron. Any true fan of basketball understands what I am saying here. I won’t sit here and say that Lebron James is not a good player and he is well above average as a player, but GOAT Status ? Nawwwwwww I ain’t willing to say that and this younger generation keeps saying that Lebron is better or those who just flat out hate on MJ for whatever reasons.
I am a die hard Laker fan hands down & Magic Johnson will always be my favorite Laker as well as player, but MJ was the best that I have ever seen to play the game and Kobe was the closest that I have seen to MJ, but the GOAT is certainly Michael Air Jordan, without a doubt ✌🏾
Tnb11 it depends what era you became a laker fan. i became a laker fan in 2010 when i first got into basketball so kobe is my favourite iwhile snoop dogg seems to have magic over kobe because he grew up n became a fan in the 80s
@@aronidk9135 Exactly and I am telling my age, lol but I am old school for sure and I became a Laker fan in the late 70’s early 80’s. Hmmmmmm whenever Magic Johnson came to the team, I became a fan. Back when I started watching basketball, the two top teams was Boston or LA, so I decided to roll with LA 👊🏾, yet I will always love & respect what Kobe brought to the game 🙏🏾😞
Dude, I could've written this post. I have been a Magic fan since his MSU days, and a Laker fan since Kareem got there. But just like every other person who saw him play, I have never seen anything like Jordan. I died a little when Bulls got the Lakers back when. And here's the thing... Lebron is a Laker, and I'm a Laker, so I'm no hater. Actually have enjoyed and admired his game since the beginning. But Jordan? If you want the biggest, strongest guy who lasted the longest? Lebron. You want to win ? We know who tgat is.
From what i googled 1994-95 Chicago Bulls season The Bulls struggled in the first half of the season with a 23-25 record at the All-Star break. Jordan faxed a memo that simply said "I'm back." Then The Bulls won 24 of their final 34 games, and finished the season with a 47-35 record, going 13-4 with Jordan back in the lineup. Note: This was the Jordan has been swing baseball bats for 12+ months, not playing basketball.
Michael most underrated accomplishment was how he is the main reason why so many All-Time greats don’t have rings. Ex: Patrick, Barkely, Reggie, Malone
I saw Jordan play twice. Once as a 40 year old. During the game MJ held the ball in front of him with his arm outstretched inches from his defender. Jumaine Jones could not take the ball from him. JJ would lunge to grab it and MJ would move it a foot in one direction or another. This went on for around 20 seconds. Then Jordan and scored while the Cleveland arena booed its own player and cheered on Michael Jordan for embarrassing him. I don't think I'll ever see anything like this in professional sports again. He's the goat.
I don't doubt that Jordan was a great player, just think if his regular team was the dream team would he have had to do as much,No.and when you have refs cheating for you you always have y chance.
I really don't care, because basketball is the easiest sport to play and the be easiest sport in which to get into the Hall of Fame, but I would always say Kareem is the Goat.
@@marlonpatterson4615 You just insulted all NBA legends and professional basketball players as your sentence exposed your complete ignorance. Try playing defence against an opponent or score with physical contacts, you will have a rude awakening by begging to catch a breath.
@fredericchen8132 Jordan was insulted with the popularity LeBron was getting since before LeBron debuted in the NBA. Jordan takes jabs at LeBron on a regular basis. Jordan's insecure. Watch Jordan come out with another documentary.
This video is a masterpiece. Don’t touch it, don’t edit it. Leave it as is. The fact that this man came in the content game and made one video that has over 3 million views is just so poetic to me. Almost like how Jordan had no flaws. Came in the game and dominated from the moment he touched the hardwood, until he decided to hang ‘em up. The case is closed. No second chances. No Game 7s. You got it done in one take. It’s so emblematic of Jordan. No fluff. Straight Greatness. Respect Bruh. My Goat is Kobe. But that’s MY GOAT, Jordan isn’t even in the Goat debate for me. He transcended it. Jordan is a Cultural Icon. Lebron is just a basketball player in my eyes. 2 different planets.
Brandon Jbs he was coming back after 2 years away compared to Lebron losing as heavy favorites to the Mavs in his prime while being outplayed by Jason Terry
@@lukelucky1311 this is false. LeBron used dirty disrespectful tactics to bait Draymond into getting suspended for game 6 and whined about it post game. Bogut got more minutes as a result and got hurt in game 6. What turned the tide was getting baiting draymond into the flagrant and then suspended. Cavs deserve respect though for winning game 7 in the final few scoreless minutes.
Here’s the thing, Jordan, after winning three titles with the Bulls, took a two-year break, then came back to a completely new weak Bulls team with only Scottie Pippen as a veteran from the old days. In the matter of a single season he turned that group of strangers into a championship team. Three years running. Let me know who else in basketball history did something like that through force of will alone.
@@vickramsingh5814 Steve Kerr was just a journey man backup PG before the Bulls, and Rodman was nearly out of the league before the Bulls because of his antics with the Spurs. Rodman brought rebounding and defense, Steve brought shooting. They were not as impactful without a superstar like MJ leading them.
He turned that team into a championship team in less than a full season. He came out of retirement and rejoined the Bulls after they already had played 50+ games.. Amazingly, he dragged that .500 Bulls team to the playoffs but they ended up losing to the Magic i think. Its completely understandable if you take into consideration that Jordan was not in basketball shape as he had been playing baseball for the previous year and a half.
Oh yes, the amazing Steve Kerr...who had a career average of 6 points a game. Rodman was a great pick up, but was also seen as a huge risk. Because at that time Rodman was damn near impossible to coach and was a major distraction. Rodman was almost out of the league because no one wanted to deal with his nonsense anymore. Not to mention he wasn't exactly in his prime when he joined Chicago either.
It's hard for the younger people to grasp Michael Jordan's greatness. Jordan was Jordan ALL THE TIME. You can't possibly realize that without having witnessed it at the time. Also, people always show the same highligts of him but he was relentless. Always a joy to watch. Always on top of his game. If it wasn't for those last two years in Washington nearing 40 we would never have seen him decline.
Adnan Ashtar yea ima MJ fan but if lebron is going to be forgotten he’d have to fail after his first 5 seasons. Lebron is gonna be like Kobe, closest to MJ but not exact. I mean if he wins 2 rings yes but I doubt it because the warriors,bucks,raptors,nuggets, mavs and nets
@@s41k02 I can see LeBron possibly winning 1-2 more rings with the Lakers and he'll probably be #1 in points scored by the time his career is over. Jordan is the Goat, but LeBron will be remembered as the best player if the 2010s (and maybe early 2020s) like Magic/Bird in the 80s, Jordan in the 90s, and Kobe/Duncan in the 2000s.
Haris Wilkinson Bill Russell won the most*. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the “ultimate winner” considering there were less teams, less playoff games, and less talent during his era.
@@Uptop4300 Pippen was great. Put Pippen with Barkley, that would have turned the Suns into a consistent Championship contender. Put Jordan with Barkley, that team wouldn't lose a Championship period, that's the difference. Or give a career all-star caliber player another career all-star caliber player, you get a great team. Give a career all-star caliber player Michael Jordan, and you get a dynasty.
respect for being objective. Also, it's not like admitting Jordan is the goat reduces LeBron's greatness. LeBron is going to go down as a top 3 player ever.
ADJEI He will definitely finish top 3. He might knock Kobe out of that 3 spot, which for me would be one of the most painful days of my life lol That’s just my opinion tho. Lebron is already the best ever for a lot of people. For some he isn’t top 10 or 15 which is CRAZY. For me he is number 7 all time(right now)
So stupid to even argue this. MJ won 3 in a row, took off to play baseball for two seasons, came back to win another 3 in a row. One of the greatest stories in all of sports.
So stupid to think championships determine who’s better bill Russell won 8 in a row but lemme guess he faced plumbers? Mj best competition KD alone is better than 98% of them people gotten more skilled overtime? Bron better
This video should be preserved in the National Archives along with “The Last Dance” docu-series, so that people can have a comparison reference material for when another so-called G.O.A.T. emerges in the future.
@Abdul Shah the propagandists are the current NBA leadership along with Lebron and Rich Paul's promotions. Pushing the stupid proposition/narrative that Lebron is one of the greatest. HE IS FUCKING NOT.
This should be included in a new special, "The true GOAT" where everyone's states are put into question. Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron. I bet the goat will still be Jordan
I do think MJ is the GOAT, but this video is highly biased. It is trying to make it seem that "it's not even close" between MJ & LeBron. But the fact is that it is close.
Criteria 6: Sportsmanship. If a player ever intentionally fakes an injury, foul or play in order to elicit a bad call by a ref, then he is disqualified from any consideration for greatest of anything. Sportsmanship is required of all sportsmen.
Jordan is the greatest of all time. He didnt leave the team that drafted him to join a stacked team. He hustled and made everyone else better and demanded excellence from everyone else as well as himself. Thats why he's so much better than the King of excuses.
Remember when J. R. Blew the chance to win the game vs. Golden state? You can read Lebron's mind going "There is my scape goat, now we can lose and nobody can blame me". He quit right there, series over. That's to quote that kid that turned around and called the "game over" moment,
Jordan without the Bulls would not be so successful, since the Chicago squad was much above average for the time ... First to start with the bank, where Kukok in 1996 won the sixth league man award, Lebron never had one privilege on your team. Another positive aspect was that Horace Grant was an excellent bouncer, soon afterwards Roodman, simply one of the greatest bouncers in history, again Lebron never had such a privilege on his team. Finally, Jordan had one of the greatest technicians in history (Phil Jackson), and once again, Lebron never had the privilege of acting alongside a technician of this size. In short, Lebron James is the best player in NBA history, precisely because he managed to win the league with a coach called Tyroon Lue and players like Mozgov, Dellavedova, Shumpert and Mo Williams, then I ask you !!!! There is but won because the other side the team was weak !!! And the answer is no !!!! It was one of the greatest teams in the history of the league, which came from a record of only 9 losses in the season, the Warriors. Mano Lebron is the G.O.A.T
It feels like LeBron has been playing to be the greatest of all time while Jordan played to win if that makes sense. LeBron wants to win because it helps his case for greatness. While it felt like Jordan wanted to win just because he wanted to win. Two totally different mindsets and it shows like LeBron bouncing to different teams to raise his chances while Jordan retired early because he won 3 in a row and lost the motivation. Jordan wasn't chasing Kareem,magic or Russel he was just chasing himself
Finally someone with a logic and a brain. This is the most accurate way to distinguish both. In his early career and reaching his first Conference finals, all Jordan wanted was to be up there with the best of his time like Larry and Magic. I would always argue that his desire to win is unparalleled. To retire in your prime and almost reach MLB for about 18 months just shows his mentality. What I like the most is MJ stayed loyal and he was pivotal in building a dynasty. He started with a bottom feeder team and because of him, they build this legacy.
@@rinickulousgaming8599 exactly and people who say rings don't matter are just clowns. If rings didn't matter, then LeBron would never make "The Decision", LeBron wouldn't have said after 2020 WCF "Job's not done", MJ even said he couldn't be in the same breath or class as Larry Bird and Magic Johnson until he won that title in 1991
Wtf lebron is in his 17th season hes old now this isn't his prime hes going to be the first person to have 40k points and mh played 1000 more minutes than lebron
@@Davek7110 But Jordan's playoff points went up to 33 per game for his career and Wilt's went down considerably to 22 per game for his career. Jordan still the GOAT
@@eddiejames7900 Uhhh MJ had 0 all-stars in his team when he first won his chop against Magic and only 1 all-star in his team in his first three-peat. MJ never really had an amazing teammate. But what made the bulls so good was MJ himself. And LBJ's stats are inflated by the facts that there are many more positions per game then there was in MJ's era and LBJ still has a worse per game stats then MJ so that tells you a lot. LBJ always needed at least 2 all-stars to win a chip and MJ needed none. So yea MJ didn't need to have a good team but LBJ definitely does. So MJ is easily the GOAT.
*Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).* *Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 19-11 ).* Lebron James feasted in the weak East ( 2003/2018 ). Let"s not forget that Joakim Noah was the last first team All-Nba Player ( 2014 ) besides Lebron James before Giannis ( 2019 ). Lebron James barely beat Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ).
We witnessed Lebron pretty much give up in an NBA Finals. For that and that alone, I cannot put Lebron at the top. Your analysis only cements that with a ton of other supporting data.
I mean it’s easy to be the best when you have the best team around you and it’s easy to say he gave up when he’s playing one of the best teams in history😂😴
NHDolphinsFan go back to your dolphins man cave. MJ played the best Celtic’s team in the history of that franchise (how many rings?), and averaged over 35 PPG.
Kenma Tong you automatically get excluded from the conversation when you say how many rings😂 that is the most garbage argument ever. Plus no teams were made to beat MJ like they were against LeBron plus the NBA was easier back then everyone wants to say it wasn’t but it was considering the fact that a teams average points per game has gone down by almost 10 ppg is saying something. Plus the playbook was made for Jordan so he could take on these Plummer’s 1 on 1 cause of illegal defense so everyone would either have to commit to the double team on Jordan or hope the man on him can stay in front of him. The league was so easy back then and every one tries to say this league is a cupcake league but look at Jordan against the bad boy Pistons he got soooo many questionable fouls that went his way but the league was sooo aggressive back then please. Then when people say LeBron would be nobody in that league are flat out wrong if anything he’d be better cause he could just iso the entire time like Jordan did. Jordan was a great scorer but that’s all I give him. He was a great defensive player against a weak league of SG’s. Notice how when Kobe and AI came in they made him look like a fool yeah I get he’s old but LeBron is old too and had to carry a sorry Cavs team for years. Old heads can’t move on and the NBA gives everyone else the MVP to save Jordan’s legacy the NBA is sorry for that.
Kenma Tong he played that Celtics team and still lost after putting up 60, I agree mj is the Goat but the Goat has a great team otherwise he wouldn’t be 6-0
@@codygraham2362 I'm Sorry little bro, but you know nothing about basketball. You'd get laughed off any stage, any platform, any conversation anywhere with all that false garbage you just vomited. You literally just made yourself look like a fool. You should have just kept your mouth shut and no one would have known......
The crazy part is all these stats weren't avaliable at mj era and still he went out every game giving his best ... while nowadays players look at thier stats and thier personal accolades more than winning mentality
That's nothing new. Look at Wilt before he got to the Lakers (though he was STARTING to change a little with the 76ers under the ONLY coach to ever beat the Russell-era Celtics).
My son is a 16 year old high school student. I showed him this for him to see early what a thorough, entertaining, compelling, complete topic presentation looks like... feels like. You, sir are the G.O.A.T.!
Jordan is in a class of his own. He created the expectacle that the NBA is today. You didnt went to see him play. It was to see him perform. Like an actor or a musician. He simply took the game to the next level.
This isn't a conversation or a debate. The better debate is who's #2. Kobe, LeBron, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Kareem, Bill Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Curry? This list could go on. The second best player ever is a better conversation to have.
@@RonniesWrld- he returned half the season, without trianing for 18months, losing to magic in 95 was not Jordan's prime, he and the bulls became the best team in the history of NBA 72-10 now
@@persieclines1746 now son if you keep failing these tests for basic math how are you suppose to argue with people online late at night. Get yo ass to bed
Jordan was a reliable winner. That is extremely difficult. That is the quality that beyond championships makes MJ the best. MJ was super clutch. I’ve seen LeBron, on the other hand, flop, fuck up and/or give up many times when the game was on the line. When it mattered the most. Even playoffs games. MJ’s greatest contemporaries fucking feared him. They feared angering him. They feared him being happy. MJ was savage almost all the time. That’s why _that’s all I needed_ is even a thing. MJ needed no motivation to win. He wound himself up if necessary. He gave no quarter. LeBron’s greatest contemporaries on the other hand, never really feared him. LeBron even had special handshakes for his rivals. 🤦🏾♂️ The only thing I will give LeBron is that he may be one of the greatest physical specimen which would explain his longevity.
This video is the best breakdown I’ve ever seen. We also forget that Mj retired twice while he was at the height of his career. If he never retired, he would have played 18-20 seasons, probably won 8 rings straight and his stats would be even more crazy. He will always be the greatest of all time.
@@samm552 thank you like he point all of the things that made mj good and points of things that lebron is bad at and uses football as a reference to basketball
@@Ilovemyidi no, the way he compared them was idiotic just to boost the narrative that Jordan is better… I believe Jordan is the goat but it’s extremely close and some the things this guy did and said was blasphemy. Instead of raw statistics he manipulated it in a way to make Jordan’s stats look better… there were far better small forwards in league history then SG who mainly had just Kobe, AI, and Wade who even Lebron was better at almost everything then them… Lebron has to compete with people like KD who arguably the best scorer of all time which rules scoring, Larry bird, erving, kawahi, PG, melo, etc… all players with crazy stats in certain categories, if Jordan was switched to small forward position he’d be lower, but even if that isn’t enough he didn’t even take in account coach’s play these positions differently, or the fact Lebron plays point guard a lot of his career, you’re supposed to compare stats… no matter the position, Lebron is a better rebounder, shot blocker, assist maker, better raw shooting percentage, and slightly behind in points per game. He also bashed on Lebron in Jordan’s winning categories while going easy on Jordan in the one Lebron won. Worst of all this idiot said physicals don’t matter in goat talk🤦🏽♂️ that might be the stupidest take I’ve ever heard, he was clearly biased
Jordan had the most amazing teammates like Pippen/Rodman with Jackson as his coach. Now what elite coach did Lebron EVER have? Could you put Jordan on any team in the league at the time and get close to the same results? Could Michael Jordan bring out the best in Cleveland? Nope, not ever.
@@misinglink15 why are people trying to make it sound like Lebron never had any good teammates lol. Chris Bosh is a hall of famer. Dwyane Wade is arguably the 3rd best SG ever. Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love are perennial all stars and Irving might make hall of fame. And Anthony Davis is top 5 player in the league and probably a future HOF. All scrubs apparently
Can we just show appreciation to the fact that this person, DANGERProductions, literally showed up one day, dropped this and peaced out? He made the video that basically SHOULD have ended the argument a long time ago but yet it's still here......still proving every one of his points right and yet he is not here to be found......because his job was done
Right?!? Like how can you even be in the GOAT debate if your sub 40% from the field outside of 3 feet of the basket 😭😂 and 20% from the clutch??! Can you imagine how many times this was ignored in favor of Lebron’s pride only to throw the game 😭😭😭
Easy comparison if you ask lifelong Cavs fans over 40 yrs old. Jordon destroyed great Cavs teams in 90s. Lebron kept coming up short with Cavs until 2016. But 1-4 record in the Finals playing for the Cavs was not even close to MJ domination.
J mooore bruh the greatest players Larry bird manic Kobe Stockton Malone Isaiah and much more. That’s Jordan’s LeBron scurry Durant luka. I cannot think of anyone else
@@YungSky25 Even if MJ's assists are low in percentage that also doesn't mean he is bad at it. He just don't have the time to do it. Because he is assigned to be the scorer.
@@footydilemma In a span of +2 seasons, its like graduating Cum Laude only it takes for you 10 years doing that bachelor... PLEASE DONT BE AN IDIOT by comparing such stats
More to the "eye test"...there was grace. Jordan's moves were fluid and streamlined....like a professional dancer or gymnast. Lebron's moves are more clunky and forced. Jordan was art.
Bro thank you. I try explaining why and how amazing a player is to watch IS part of the GOAT convo lol. I dont even like watching lebron hes just a stat monster.
I agree... Lebron's way better. I won the championship against my 8 year nephew who sucks at basketball. Does that make me a champ? Lebrons competition > over MJ's. Its wayyyyy more important than half these stats. Of course his stats are better when you're playing a bunch of people who WOULDVE NEVER MADE A D-1 school, seriously. On top of that, you don't want to reward Lebron for making and losing a championship.. so why are we rewarding Jordan for years he didn't even make the championship. Shouldn't the record-ratio be how many times you made the playoffs vs won the ship. So jordans not undefeated but you make him look like God. He lost to scrubs who couldn't even dunk a ball. Please, think outside the box once in your life.
@@nateschneider2919 Nothing you said explains Lebron's clunkiness and poor shooting form. He's been an average shooter and rebounder in his own generation through out his whole career! He's had all the time in the world to incorporate great technique and form. I'm sure he's tried, but for some reason he he can't. He stopped playing hard defense 4 years ago. Even with all the modern medicine, training facilities, Work out regiments, and basketball instructors... He's still can't hit a fucking consistent fade away jumper. He still doesn't know how to play without the ball in his hands. Smh, at least him going to the gym worked out form him. Lol All we know is, if the game is on the line and Lebron is on the line..... I'm stacking my chips against him; real talk brah .
@@nateschneider2919 The way you think about the NBA in the 80's and 90's couldn't be more incorrect. That was a far more physical era of basketball. It's much more of a finesse game now than ever before. However, Jordan still managed finesse when it was far more difficult... At the same time his sheer insane athleticism allowed him to be an unbelievably better defensive player than Lebron could ever dream of being. Lebron is great.. he really is. He's no Jordan. Period.
yeah jordqn was like kobe and also alen iverson in him prime. you watch those guys its like seeing music or watching an artist draw . the basket ball they was playing was simply beautiful. i dont see none of that in lebron
@@brianwilliams2223 the fact that he won all his rings with one team is not a good thing. Ill say the fact that lebron won rings in 3 different teams is better.
@@Sf75178 lol the only running away I know is when Jordan went to play baseball 😂😂😂 talk about a quitter…he didn’t even make the bigs😂😂😂funny how him running from Hakeem’s rockets isn’t mentioned nor is his wizards career…LeBron is an assassin that’ll survive on any soil
FINALLY, SOMEBODY DID AN INTELLECTUAL BREAKDOWN OF WHO REALLY IS THE GOAT!!! MICHAEL JORDAN IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!! NO DEBATE. SIMPLY SPECTACULAR!
This shit hella bias this man said he was'nt gonna put totals for the stats yet in analytics he bring's up totals im not tryna say MJ is'nt the goat but this bias smh.
Jordan never needed to leave his team to go get more titles - he just made everyone around him that much better .. and he still has more titles. He also didn't need to take 5 steps to get a bucket .. its not even close Jordan is way better than Lebron.
It's got a lot of loopholes. He's enjected personal opinions into his analyst. When making a documentary comparing players it's important that you stick to facts in which you can prove with physical proof.
@@mazinkadiri3706 mjs 1st round exit during the first 3 year againts 60+ win team and arguably the greatest celtics team ever. VS lebron who didnt reach the playoffs innhis first 2 years with an ALLSTAR.
I've watched NBA since 2012 and always thought LBJ the GOAT. Never saw Jordan Play. However after watching The Last Dance & Videos like this.... I cannot support LeBron for the GOAT anymore. It's undeniable. MJ GOAT
Very few people old enough to watch both play during their prime would agree that MJ is the GOAT. Many who have never seen MJ in his prime argue for LeBron.
Glad you opened your eyes..no one can compare to MJ the basketball player. Was an honor to watch him play. And will probably never see any thing like him again.
All good stuff. Love MJ. I think you could add, as part of the “eye test”, the perception that Michael was a more graceful, light on his feet, better ball handling, just downright beautiful looking player in action. Some of the slow mo videos simply mesmerize the viewer and I feel like I could watch them over and over. Saw MJ play back in the day and the world changed when he stopped.
The First Echlon Maybe.....but I would like to see him against the bad boys of Detroit, when they played under the Jordan rules.....or just having to contend with Rodman.
He's NOT getting annoying...LeBron IS ANNOYING personified!!! and has been for years. He is even MORE annoying when he has to speak about politics and his anti-Trump insanity rants. Shut TF up and play basketball. We don't tell you how to play, so don't tell us how to vote!!!
@@bdawg610 when did MJ say he is the Goat? He talks trash and is cocky but can back it up, he is very competitive and would do anything but I have never heard him say he is the GOAT but he says he is better than someone that is being specifically mentioned
To me it's simple. Lebron's 2007 finals performance where he shot 35% from the field and his 2011 choke job finals disquialify him from the GOAT convo. 3.5 Championships (Mickey Mouse championship) in 21 years whereas Jordan had 6 in 15. MJ all day
Welp, as a Lebron stan I can't really argue with this haha. MJ is frustratingly amazing and I have to acknowledge that he is the GOAT - truly on a league of his own
LeBron is the second greatest player ever, second only to a man that was basically perfect. Theres ZERO shame in that, I dont know why so many Lebron fans are GOAT or nothing. Hell, if it wasnt for the 2011 Finals, Lebron would be neck and neck with Jordan in the Goat conversation
@TheDiaryOfAnOxymoron his loss in 2011 sums up every thing that was, and still is wrong with Lebron. I was using 2011 as a general reference for all his flaws like being scared to attack in late game situations, due in part to his terrible FT shooting. His lack of clutch, leadership, and the assassin mentally Kobe and Jordan had. 2011 Finals exposed Lebron. He may not still be in the GOAT convo if he did win, but hes 1000% OUT of the convo because of how he lost it.
@TheDiaryOfAnOxymoron lol if this video was Lebron vs Kobe it would be exactly like Lebron was replacing Jordan in this video. He’s better at everything statistically and visually than Kobe, has more longevity, has more accolades, better advanced stats, and helps his team win more than Kobe by a mile. It’s not close. Kobe is nowhere near the best player of all time. He’s barely a top 10 player greatness wise, and if we’re talking about the top 10 BEST players, he’s not top 10. Guys like Curry and Durant have more impact and are statistically better players than Kobe Bryant
@@lucasjaramillo3478 Not having Kobe in the top 10 (if not top 5) is absolute blasphemous. Put some respek on his name. Steph and KD not on that level bruh. Kobe’s mentality along with his level of skill, footwork, fluidity, body control, etc. is pretty much unmatched. Kobe won 5 chips in the toughest defensive era and toughest conference eva (00s and early 10s West). He has the 2nd most All Defense selections in NBA History (12) and 2nd most All-NBA selections (15) in NBA history. Kobe’s beaten more 50 win teams in the playoffs than any other player. In fact in the 01’ and 10’ title run he faced a 50 win team in every single round (only other great to do so was Hakeem that one year-95’). In 08 Kobe also faced a 50 win team in every round. That year he beat the Spurs in 5 games with the 2nd best player (Pau) averaging only 13 PPG. For perspective Bron got swept by this Spurs team in 07 with his 2nd best player also averaging 13 PPG. Bron also lost to Orlando and then Boston his last 2 years in Cleveland (the 1st go round) and Kobe beat those same teams for his 4th and 5th chip (09’ and 10’). Also Kobe’s 02 title run is in the top 3 all time for toughest title runs in NBA history by OPP win %. Kobe along with MJ are the only players in NBA history to be 1st team All-NBA and First team All-Defense 9 or more times. Kobe and Mike are also the only players in NBA history to average 35+PPG while also making 1st team Defense in the same season. At Kobe’s absolute peak he was the best offensive and arguably defensive player in the NBA. In the 2006 and 2007 season Kobe literally led the league in scoring and made 1st team All defense. That’s crazy when u think about it. After Shaq left the Lakers they were pretty much a G-league team, but Kobe consistently and literally willed them to the playoffs (again against the tuffest conference eva-early 00s and 10s West). Kobe is one of the only greats that didn’t have a championship caliber team built around him at his absolute peak. Despite this Kobe still accomplished a lot in his career. One can only imagine what could’ve been. We prolly would’ve seen the greatest run of all time 😔… Anyway, Mj is the only player that can see Kobe on the court when it comes to skill. The truth is in the footage. Kobe took what Mike did, expanded on it, and then did almost the same thing against bigger and more athletic defenders and again say it with me, Kobe did this against the toughest conference and best defenders in NBA history (00s and early 10’s West) lol 😂.
@Michael Jordan fans are the worst NBA fans then the number 1 player is still Bill Russell even Mj admitted Bill is the true goat so we can stop who's the better player comparisons because Bill Russell has the finals mvp named after him as the award Giver
Michael Jordan fans are the worst NBA fans then Go back to your hole. This video is an example of why you refuse to name a single player to debate against MJ on your pathetic Podcast. So stay on your channel where you delete comments and conversations that expose you.
Michael Jordan played 4 seasons/284 games fewer than LeBron. Also Michael Jordan: 2 more rings 2 more Finals MVPs 1 more MVP 1 more DPOY 9 more scoring titles 3 more steals titles 3 more All-Defensive teams than LeBron. It's about efficiency, not longevity you ignorants
Does rings trully make you better,who do you think is the best running back of all time some people will say barry sanders no rings,so are you telling he couldn't play
@@marlonpatterson4615 You can’t compare a RB in football to a basketball player. A superstar running back has WAY less impact on the game than a superstar basketball player.
@@svk_5104 That could be true since basketball is the easiest sport to play,and football is a much harder sport to score in.So Dominique, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Iverson,V.Carter,Nash,and Barkley were all carbage players.So if rings make you better their are many players with more rings than Mike.Stop making excuses.
@@marlonpatterson4615 no ones making excuses. Nobody is ever going to say the greatest basketball player is someone with 0 rings but you can say the greatest RB has 0 rings. If you’re an all time great basketball player(like MJ or LBJ)you can get your team to the finals with one other star and some mediocre help. A running back will never be able to carry a team like that. Bottom line is, when it comes to the NBA and who’s the greatest rings will always play a factor. I’m not saying it’s the end all be all and the person with the most ring is the best, that’s idiotic because it’s a combination of rings, accolades, statics and you’re overall playing abilities BUT rings will always play a role in determining the greatest NBA player of all time. Which is MJ and it’s NOT EVEN CLOSE
Yep, it sure is. Most of these debates out on youtube are so biased but there's not a single biased opinion in this video and there's barely any opinions cause everything's backed up by stats.
