Joseph Haydn / Symphony No. 68 in B-flat major (Harnoncourt) 

Perhaps, also give his brother Johann Michael a try!😉

I was going to say him the same thing, but you did before me 👀🔥 His brother did amazing things indeed 👀

Me too! He’s a great antidepressant! Better than a 💊. I find Gilbert & Sullivan have much the same effect on me.

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Actually, he was one of the fathers, but he was the one who found definite solutions allowing the "genre" to virtually achieve its full potentialities. 🤍🖤💜💙💚💛🧡❤💟

@@gerardbegni2806 Haydn had nothing to do whatsoever with the *conception* of the symphony, a point at which the father’s presence is essential.

There is a film online of Nikolaus Harnoncourt, the Vienna Philharmonic and Lang Lang recording two Mozart concertos. During the filming a member of the orchestra (it may have been the concertmaster) said, with a mixture of great admiration and reverence, "Whenever Nikolaus Harnoncourt comes here we learn something."

I'm 75. I'm a musician, composer, pianist and organist and I'm ashamed to say it's only in the last year or so that I've come to appreciate his greatness, his power of invention, his perfect grasp of form and his depth of emotion. I love him with a passion equalled only by my love of Bach.

I'm 23 and discovered last year Joseph Haydn and his brother, by listening to all of their symphonies. I was astonished 😲 And I can't encourage you enough to go listen to the integrality of his symphonies and MOSTLY the ones of Johann Michael Haydn, that are fabulous 👀🔥

@@alexisarmengaud9985 Michael Haydn’s symphonies are an absolute delight; whilst professionally composed and never dull, the composer does however never stray from his Salzburg comfort zone; in contrast, Joseph Haydn rarely stays in his comfort zone.

me too---I love Papa Haydn--also he died inVienna--like so many other musicians

I love the pace of 61, the song of 77, and the call of 24.

45 ._.

Mine are 48 53 and 82 but basically any of his with timpani it's my favorite instrument

Mozart might be worth your time.

George Johnson they are the titans of their respective musical movement

His brother Johann Michael Haydn was also a very fine composer indeed!

I rather die having only Schubert's Great symphony (conducted by Harnoncourt) than the whole Bach and Haydn, as good as they can be.

Both Haydn and Mozart said that their biggest musical influence was C.P.E. Bach. "He is the father and we are the children." - Mozart.

i totally agree !

Thank you for sharing your impressions! I always thought this was a neglected masterpiece and was sorry it didn't get a nickname. And I agree with you this symphony is much greater than some more famous ones by Haydn or other composers.

... add a Sinfonia Concertante and 2 unnumbered symphonies 'A' and 'B' makes a total of 107.

@@DressedForDrowning You’re right that the total number of symphonies is 107, however, we arrive at that number thus: Symphonies 1-104 (Hob. I:1-104) The sinfonia to Le pescatrici (Hob. I:106) Symphony ‘A’ (Hob. I:107) Symphony ‘B’ (Hob. I:108) The Sinfonia concertante is indeed listed as Hob. I:105, but it is *not* a symphony, neither are the two sinfonie concertanti by Mozart K297b and K364 symphonies either; they are composed in an entirely different way.

@@elaineblackhurst1509 I recently learned that there seems to be a 106th symphony, so it's 108 in total.

@@DressedForDrowning I think not; I am sure that the correct number is 107 as detailed in my previous reply. As far as I am aware, there are no lost symphonies, and none that are spurious, so unlike one or two other areas - like the set of missing piano sonatas, or the double-bass concerto of 1763 - there is actually nothing left to be discovered as regards the symphony, and the total cannot change. Part of my certainty over this issue is that Haydn kept a catalogue of his works from the mid-1760’s - the Entwurf-Katalog - where he entered the incipits of the missing keyboard works, but there are no incipits of any missing symphonies, they are all accounted for. In 1805, a second catalogue - the Haydn Verzeichnis - was compiled, and this too contains no missing symphonies. In short, there is no ‘106th’ symphony. Note: some authorities do not include Hob. I:106 in the list, thus reducing the number to 106.

@@elaineblackhurst1509 Take a look: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Sinfonien_Joseph_Haydns

Basta dire che Haydn sia noioso

Tutt'altro che noioso se diretto da direttori come Harnoncourt. Le sinfonie di Haydn risentono molto dell'interpretazione e sono meravigliose se dirette come all'epoca di Haydn!

@@claudio8313 ma anche l altra musica può essere noiosa se eseguita in modo tale

Certo, questo vale per tutta la musica. Ma stranamente nessuno dice per esempio che Mozart sia noioso

@@claudio8313 perché nessuno vuol fare delle figuracce. Però se non viene eseguito bene anche li ci sono certi pezzi di minore qualità

You can see the cobblestones!

Indeed, but I can't figure out the relevance ....

@@theon9575 lol,, the time period and/or location Europe etc.

Funny, I feel that way about the opening movements. Time and again, I find they are replete with felicities and subtleties that are missing from the finales.

Symphonies are rather like meals, you have a number of courses which tend to be very different; if the prefer the dessert to the fish - that’s cool.

@@jasonhurd4379 You might find my reply above of interest. Additionally, Haydn tried very hard over his career (as did Mozart post-1781) to deal with the problem of lightweight finales unbalancing his symphonies; the relatively short 2/4 or 6/8 frolics of some of the earlier works simply would not do (and Haydn knew this). Haydn fixed the problem in a number of ways, sometimes extreme ways by adding fugal finales as in Symphonies 3, 13, 40, and 70, but otherwise by developing new forms such as sonata rondos, and incorporating more counterpoint and development into the movements whilst keeping them ‘popular’ in tone and mood (with notable exceptions). In short, the Finale problem you mention *is* evident in some of the earlier works, but it was one Haydn fixed (and Mozart clearly noted after he moved to Vienna). This is evident from Symphonies like 42 of (1771), where the new design of a more substantial finale - that does not sound like an opening movement - is very successfully achieved.

I prefer the Menuettos

Symfonie n°52 is niet grandioos masr wel heel mooi

why is all of Haydn so neglected? Mozart and Beethoven revered him as a God and rightly so. They learned their trade from him and him alone.

TJFNYC212 Haydn is making strides toward popularity since the overkill of Mozart`s over popularity is subsiding. He is more original then Mozart and it takes more thinking to absorb his style. I personally like him better than Mozart who wrote a great deal of factory music.

TJFNYC212 Haydn is making strides toward popularity since the overkill of Mozart`s over popularity is subsiding. He is more original then Mozart and it takes more thinking to absorb his style. I personally like him better than Mozart who wrote a great deal of factory music.

***** this is good news.... and I am sure Mozart and Beethoven would both approve of his moving up the charts.... :)

+shnimmuc loool delusional!!

The Classical period and its composers - most obviously Joseph (sic*) Haydn and Mozart as you rightly say is the beginning of modern classical music in that they composed in forms and genres in a way that composers have done ever since - symphonies, solo concertos, string quartets, sonata form, et cetera. I’m not sure how you came to the rather odd re-write of history and chronolology to suggest that Mozart followed Haydn (Beethoven clearly did, as surely as Mozart did not). Haydn 1732-1809 Mozart 1756-1791 The list of major compositions by Haydn written *after* the death of Mozart is astonishing by any standards and includes the vast majority of his best-known works: ‘London’ symphonies Trumpet concerto String quartets Opus 71/74, Opus 76, Opus 77 15 piano trios Piano sonatas Hob. XVI:50, 51, 52 The opera L’anima del filosofo The scena ‘Berenice, che fai ? The last six masses The Creation The Seasons The part-songs Hundreds of Scottish and Welsh folk-song arrangements Et cetera. Given the above list, however could you misleadingly claim that: ‘Haydn laid the foundations in music [True] for later composers to follow [True] like Mozart, [True, but only by birthdate] and Beethoven [True]. In short: Mozart was not a ‘…later composer’ than Haydn who both preceded, and succeeded/followed him. * The composer’s name is not ‘Papa’.

@@elaineblackhurst1509 You are correct Elaine!

His forename is Joseph, not Papa

Du bist auch zu frivol.

Symphony 68 is not ‘…frivolous’ but ingeniously playful; that said, it is easy to understand why those who do not listen carefully will miss most of what is going on, and demonstrate their misunderstanding of the work by applying labels as simplistic as they are inappropriate.

Matthias Haydn was a wheelwright; his son Joseph Haydn (sic) was a great composer. Joseph Haydn’s Papa composed no music, so it’s not clear why you are suggesting that he did. This symphony is by Joseph Haydn.

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Not unusual, sometimes it is slower.

myempathy Not sure they particularly needed each other. What actually happened, was that as the two leading composers of the age, they challenged and stimulated each other in a way that none of their contemporaries were able to do.

Mozart probably benefited more from Haydn