@@Goldmanvision believe me, it's incredibly complimentary. I don't wanna watch non-hippie, non-nerdy, braggadocious RU-vidrs with perfectly clean state of the art studios which are unobtainable and NOT covered in all of the things that show the person's passion (the "messy" workbenches that aren't even that messy). Ideal 💕
Hommes secret weapon is the fact he can get tones out of amps most people don’t want. It’s brilliant, I take inspiration from that and the particular amps he used
@@amremorse Yes and no. His riffs and scales are very traditional (polka, hungarian, gregorian), however they are included in a genre of music where they aren't typically heard. What makes it extremely unique is the tone. If you want a clear example of this, watch QotSA songs performed electric versus acoustic. The riffs and scales change as they are dependent on the amp, guitar, tone, pedals, etc., to work. Homme talks about this.
This was a clear attempt on Homme’s part to keep prices of the Gorilla GG-25 with “Tube Stack” from skyrocketing. Way to throw them nerds off the scent, Josh!
That’s what I always heard him say. I saw one article that mentioned the peavey. He said gorillas all have the sweet terrible, as he called it. An amp on the verge of explosion
Funnily enough, that tape recorder trick you said you used back in the day is the key to the sound of early argentinian blues rock records, with the oval speaker and everything! They used Geloso and National recorders, among others. Great examples of this sound are "Pappo's Blues 3" by Pappo's Blues and "Manal" by Manal. Greetings from Argentina!!
During the TCV-era Josh mentioned that a lot of guitars from that record was plated through old radios converted to amplifiers and said that he would put up Alain Johannes (TCV touring guitarist and frequent collaborator) against any other guitarist and any other anplifier. Needless to say Homme is always experimenting with his live setup in general and his studio setup in particular. I really doubt there is a secret weapon, more likely there is a dozen secret weapons...
Check the 1 minute 57 second mark of their "Head Like a Haunted House" music video. I believe this is that amp you show with the speaker through the top. I still have no clue of the brand but it is as clear of a picture you're gonna get of the front panel of this thing. It does appear to be a mag recorder of some kind as well. I've been trying to find one for years after I noticed it in the music video. Josh has always tried to keep people off the trail of his gear since at least the Desert Sessions, even when his "secret weapon" could be as simple as a Boss EQ pedal into a DS-1.
As a lifelong fan of QOTSA and music production, it’s always very exciting to learn a new thing about Homme’s process. Thanks for sharing this info and I agree wholeheartedly as soon as I saw the decade on Mark Ronson I knew it was a red herring.
My eldest brother was a ham radio operator who liked to work the low AM bands. He discovered that his LF preamp and power amp also worked fairly well for audio once you matched the output impedance.
Also Linear line signal amplifiers were used on citizen band (CB) radios in the "side band" frequencies for a similar purpose of skip radio signals across the earths atmosphere and talking to other people a great distance away. I actually talked to people in Canada, Mexico, Scotland, and even Australia from a single location at about 8,000ft elevation depending on weather conditions.
I never knew exactly how or why (not as well versed with electronics in this way) but one of my old amps, when i would play on it and truckers were nearby they could both hear me and i could hear them. I know they could hear me because they'd start talking about how they were hearing someone playing (insert song here) on guitar over their radio. Does anyone know why that is, because i always found it fascinating
Thank you for a walk down memory lane, my first amp was a Bogen that my father pulled out of a dumpster for me. I used a Radio Shack speaker tower with it and snap that was a loud amp! I had a baby Peavey that I gave away when I emptied my storage unit. Good times!
I have a Peavey Studio Chorus 210. Its the most versatile amp I've ever owned. Its so over engineered. Over the years this amp has encouraged me to shed all my pedals and simply plug straight into the amp. I get endless varieties of sounds and its really liberating to have such a simplified rig.
Whatever his secret weapon may be, it is only a small part of his magic. Queens of the Stone Age & Eagles of Death Metal are my favorites! Fran, you're damn awesome as well.
Hommes secret is he is a great guitarist. He could sound amazing playing anything (which was set up correctly) We like to delude ourselves that we suck because we dont have this amp or that guitar.
And let's not forget Blackmore, who ran his guitar through an Akai tape deck's preamp before sending it to the Marshall head. He did this in the studio as well as when playing live.
I have an I belive an 80s teak 1/2 inch reel to reel at this point only 2 out 8 tracks only record . Ihave thought about using it as an inbrween the source for instrument to another recorder to see if I could capture the tape vibe at all... or something to manipulate the sound in any wau Positive .. Thanks
@@thomasbushnell884 On some older decks, you have to use the tape or head alignment switch/toggle/adjuster to switch to the other tracks in pairs. ....Then use a studio deck to play them all back together at once.
Josh has used a lot of amps over the years and has a lot of different "sounds"... Tubeworks Mosvalve, Peavey Musician, old tube hifis, old Gibsons, all sorts of pedals... Livingroom Gear Demos goes a lot of sound alike videos for QOTSA and Kyuss. The photos from SFTD sessions with Eric Valentine show tons of amps, cabs and mics all being used at the same time.
I have a Peavey Backstage Plus (35 watts with 10" speaker) that I bought new in 1986. It has the same pre-amp and the sounds you can get out of it are great. I take it down and clean all the pots every couple of years. It's my favorite amp to use when I'm playing at a friends house or quietly in my house.
I have all vintage peavey bass gear, but I love it! Picked up a bandit 65 for 30 bucks Aud a few years back. A flush ou of the pots and its been brilliant.
Paul Weller used a Peavey Backstage 30 a lot. If you watch RU-vid videos of them live, you’ll see it stage right next to him, mic’ed up. He also had an AC-30, and sometimes a Marshall stack behind him, but I think they were more about art direction/promo requirements.
I have the Peavey Special 130 and it's so absurdly delightful. I bought it for a Pixies cover band because it's what Joey used live for the early stuff. I've hung onto it because of the onboard reverb, sheer volume, and amazing gain channel EQ.
The early run of the Studio Pro 40's had a weird glitch in the preamp where you could max the saturation and back it off just barely for a little extra boost. I might have been just cheap pots, idk, but it seemed like it was a little fuller when it was on that setting. Got a celestion for my backstage and it was a world of difference. It was my first amp that had distortion and reverb! The Studio Pro was my older brother's. We made a lot of noise in those days! Great video Fran!
also had the Studio Pro 40, thing was a tank, had the awesome "Saturation" circuit & a real nice spring reverb & the pull-thick on the high tone control. Used it for gigs & recording for many years. Wish I still had it...
I had a Bandit 65 for years. Was my first real amp. A friend of mine was more of a tube amp purist and would hate on solid state amps to no end, including mine. I always really really loved the clean tone of it, though. Super clear and present. The overdrive was also cool. Sounds like razor blades or broken glass when cranked all the way, which has a certain appeal
I used a bandit 65 for a while and loved it then went to an bandit 80 watt and liked it too. I'm 77 and saw a B/65 and could barely pick it up, apparently it had gained weight over the years;0)
I have a hard time walking away from a good deal on a sound. Years ago I picked up a Peavey Backstage (I'm guessing from the 90's) and it instantly became MY amp, my go-to, my sound. I don't know how it compares to the earlier 'blue knobs', but I do know that some of those little Peaveys pack some real magic.
Those 80s Peavey amps with the blue Saturation control are kind of interesting creatures. Yeah, the same preamp was used all across their SS lineup with modest alterations. My old Backstage Plus has pull thick (which seems to mostly bypass the tone stack) and a pull bright (which bypasses some rc to ground on the first stage op amp). The Saturation control is a convoluted clipping feedback network. The circuit gives two flavors of drive using the pre/post and/or the saturation knobs. I was never a fan of cranking the saturation up , but used sparingly, it gives its own unique voice. Despite a couple eternally scratchy pots, it's been a trooper for almost 40 years.
LOVED the Decade ! Sounded awesome with a TS-9 and a Crybaby. Played Maiden, old Scorpions, and Priest . Then Came the Marshall Lead 12. I was going to buy another Decade but the prices are crazy.
Over two decades ago we used a similar Peavy amp for gigs. This was because one of our amps was stolen and the studio where it was stored felt bad they loaned us one of these amps. I used to have my guitar hooked up to it as I basically always played with overdrive. The venue would mic it up to the PA and it really did sound fantastic. So much so we always begged to use that amp at gigs. Pretty sure it was one of the same amps as I remember the blue pot. People used to laugh at us bringing this little amp on stage until they heard it in context!
I used to have a Peavey like that in the trunk of my first car, plugged it into a cigarette lighter power inverter! That and a walkman cd player was my sound system! Not a recommended setup because both the car and the amp didn't live for long, but the sound that came out of that thing was powerful! (I think Songs for the Deaf played more than a few times on that system too!)
I love my backstage plus. I just bought a 2nd one. I've owned a ton of amps and there is just something about it and it's real ... REAL tank reverb! Nuts. I'm going to hoard them and love them forever. Thanks for the video!
Wow, just saw this video in my feed. What a blast from the past. My dad owns a peavey TnT combo bass amp with a 15" speaker in it. Also have a peavey Powered mixer that has to be from the 70s. It's a 7 channel with the wooden handles on the side. That thing still works somehow. Lol. I can't imagine anyone using those peavey solid state amps for Studio Recordings. At least not for high gain Rock or Metal guitars. I think they were made to use for practice amps or live shows. Of course I could be wrong but the only peavey I would put a mic in front of for riff recording would be a 5150.
Wow! That's super cool and a testament to what can be achieved without a huge budget or amps that were worth thousands of dollars (or even Peavey Decades haha). I'm going to go scour my local thrift stores now.
i saw that pod segment also and was very new to electronics and guitar sound and was also looking for what it was, I assumed that it was a small stereo amplifier (incorrectly) and broke my grandparents old solid state amp, Thankyou Fran awesome information
I've got the next generation Bandit 65 up from that, had it for almost 30 years, and its still going strong and is a great sounding amp. The clean tone is brilliant.
Had a Rage 158 for my first amp. Buzzy by itself but the pre out into my second, a Roland JC-77, was surprisingly mean. Never sell your gear, kids. Hoarding is the answer.
thank you Fran my first amp was a tube Silverstone. then i ran a Peavey like that one with the blue knob and pull out knob for studio recording. then i got a vox max 3w for busking. ive must a replaced and rebuilt the 3w like ten times. now i run a backup 150w mackie tump for the pier.
First of all, Josh didn't use the Decade until Songs for The Deaf. And it's only for recording. It has to do with speaker size and how that particular combo records. Not just the preamp. Much like a Fender champ. What you're suggesting is to just get a Deluxe or a Princeton instead of a Champ. It's not his secret weapon as much as a layer to his sound mixed with other amps. It was mainly used as a bass amp as well. On Rated R he used a Gorilla amp. I know because he borrowed my roommate's. Also they used the same Gorilla amp for all the guitars on EODM records. Josh has never used the Decade on stage. But he does use some higher watt SS Peavey heads mixed in with his Ampegs and even AC 30s. Yes it's true that the other 80s Peaveys have similar gain stages but they are not exactly the same. I know because I talked to the builder of those Peaveys. He said the closest was the Audition. But again it's the speaker size and how it records. Def did not use it in the Kyuss days. That was a Tube Works head and Ampegs used for live purposes. They were all about low tunings and loud bass live. Buying a Bandit is a better deal but only if you're trying to use it as a main amp and it's not going to sound exactly like josh. More important is the tuning. Any loud clean high headroom amp with the pedals he uses is going to get you there. Most important too is he always used the neck pickup. Always. So a medium output clear neck pickup and tuning is gonna get you there. My friend makes a Decade preamp pedal if someone wants that. His name is Chris Duggan and his company is N.O.C. Pedals on Facebook or instagram. Very reasonable and you dont have to carry around or buy an old Peavey amp. I have one and it nails it. My first amp was a Decade so I have intimate knowledge of how they sound. It's not a great sound but records well. But again its just a layer mixed with many other amps.
I had a bandit 65 for almost 20 years until the speaker went out and instead of replacing i jumped onto and Orange. I miss that amp, you make me want to get one again
Fran, if I ever see one of these, it's yours. I played through a portable cassette recorder with very old batteries ran into an 8-Track deck on my first guitar. Nice distortion. 😀🤘
This brings back memories. As a teen I had a tiny Peavey audition 20 that plugged into my vans 12 volt cigarette lighter. This was great, because I literally lived in that van in the 1980s. I would work at a day labor a couple days a week, or work under the table tax free, swim in the Ft. Lauderdale or Daytona beach for a shower, and party with the people I’d met the rest of the time. That little amp was a screamer ! Lol. Later I got a Bandit 65. I liked them mainly because Peaveys were cheap & loud. These days I use Vox MV 50s. with the matching cab.
My first really decent amp was a Roland JC-120. All of us starting out in the 80s had Peaveys. They were really reliable and tough solid state amps. Still have a PA head from over 30 years ago and still functions
The peavey bandit is a great amp. I own a peavey bandit 112 with scorpion speaker version. Bought it from a friend, wasn't working for more than 2 hour's, and started to cut in and out. Replaced all the caps in the PSU circuit. And Changed all caps in the toon circuit. And it still have the same sound. But it sparkle more. It sounded before the mod quite dull. Great Video.
Great vid! Thanks! I've had a Peavey Bandit 112 with single (12 inch?) speaker since about 1988! Never gigged and just bought it from some rich kid at the time who had only owned it for a few months and was using it as a bedroom practice amp! I've pretty much done the same with it since - although it has never really been used in any sort of 'anger'! I've wondered what it might be worth these days - judging by some of these amps!
Bought a Peavey Backstage II in ‘82 dropped my Les Paul on the headstock.., heartbroken & quit playing for years.., much later ‘94 I think, got gifted a really great Kramer copy of a Strat.., figured out how to use the “secret weapon” on my home stereo system & now I only buy used gear. Currently I play an Ibanez strat w/ an acoustic 15w practice amp (as a preamp) & run that to a Peavey 115 combo( the chorus mode gives great depth & even at very low settings it totally works great. Took a while but Wow! What a sound!
When I was in my teen band in the 60s our guitarist was obsessed with Brit guitarists and that overdriven valve sound ... His little locally made Jansen amp wouldn't do it , he called me up in the middle of the night to play me something and babbled about pre-amps and the like , I was the drummer and had no idea what he was on about but it did sound great . The following day at his parents place he showed us how he plugged into the 1/4 inch mic input his father's valve powered Grundig tape recorder and taken a line out of the back and into his little combo amp ... huge sound and the Clapton ' Beano ' Bluesbreakers tone just like that . A few years later , Paul Crowther ( the inventor of the Hot Cake pedal ) would build him New Zealand's first 200 watt valve amp and build the great granddaddy of the hot cake into my mate's guitar . Paul just converted a 40s valve radio into a 10 watt amp for the same guy , sounds great of course .
I live in Mobile ,Al and we always used Peaveys because they were made in Meridian, MS a few hours away so you could get a wholesale price at the factory vs retail at a store....besides their amazing quality. Great video Fran!!!!
I'm currently living in Meridian, MS. Got to meet Hartley Peavey when I worked as a photo developer technician at the Eckerd's across from their home office on 493 just North of North Hills Street!!! Another one of my jobs in Meridian was working for Hooper Electronics at the 6th. St electronic parts store. Learned from old man Hooper that Peavey wouldn't have been if it weren't for Hooper Electronics as Hartley Peavey initially sourced quite a few of his parts from there when he was just starting out!!!😁👍🏻 Sadly, Hooper's is no longer in business!!!😔
I'm glad RU-vid showed me this channel...Maybe cause I'm a big "Failure" band fan.Hence Troy van leeuween being associated with Josh Homme.But in any case, awesome content.Thanks Fran!🤘😎👍
Hi Fran. Thanks for the great video. Was the reel to reel you had a Wollensak, by any chance? I ask only because I recently found one on the street in Philly and discovered the joy of playing my electric through it
That secret weapon blurry picture looks suspishiouly like an early solid state Shure product. Maybe someone was modifying them for mag recorder use? it has obviously been modified due to the closed fan hole on top.
I have the backstage 26 watt, circa ~1982. haven't plugged it in in years, but always loved it when a friend that really knew how to play would plug in with me on that little beast so I could play a 4 chord progression while he wailed my neighbors to death! he had some customized fender with old school tubes at home and was impressed by the cheap backstage.
Brings back memories of my “secret weapon” in the early 70s, which was plating through my Echoplex without any delay running. Nice that you can get that same preamp vibe with an inexpensive pedal like a Dunlop EP101 these days. Life is good! :-)
I grew up by Peavey HQ, and remember when their gear was dirt cheap. I have a 5150 tube combo, and found a 100W bass amp for $30 in Goodwill. US made, and solid. Very rare now!
If you saw Eric Valentines (now taken down video) about the recording of Songs for the Deaf, he only mentions the Decade for the Nick's bass tone. Its blended with a DI and an SVT. Eric claimed that the decade was most used out of those three in the final mix.
Josh has lots of sounds. I've heard him talk about the Matchless Hot Box and the Tube Works RT-2100 being part of the signature Kyuss sound at one point. Back in the day, I tried to achieve a similar sound with a ProCo Turbo Rat and a Sovtek MIG 50.
Played my super fabulous Sears “LP” through whatever I could find that had a speaker: walkie-talkie, an 8-track player with 1/8” mic input, a stereo reel-to-reel where I overdrove ch. A, attenuated through ch. B, then fed it to my stereo receiver aux input. Woo hoo, glorious distortion 😃.
When I was 15 I used to play my guitar through a Sony tube-driven open-reel tape deck. The mic input had a hot preamp and the speaker out could send a very good fuzz tone to my guitar amp, a MusicMan 112 Sixty-Five with reverb and tremolo. I could get Fripp-like tones this way. We also used to use little solid-state ‘flashlight’ amps with 6” and 8” speakers. Cranked they sounded great and we could use several of them for multi-instrument fuzz jams at moderate volume. They all broke down eventually and of course we didn’t think of fixing them.
I've played through most of Peavey's single speaker combos, and I agree totally that they share a common preamp circuit (or close enough to be negligible). Most of the sound difference between them was due to the speaker and cabinet size. It would be an interesting experiment to do a tonal comparison of the Decade and Bandit amps with the same speaker/cab configuration and same amp settings. Other than a slight difference in volume, I think they'll sound pretty close.
One of the best distortion sounds I ever got was a little 15w Radio Shack Realistic PA I would turn all the way up through my Sunn 4-10 cab after I blew my Beta-lead head.... it distorted nice, and wasn't too loud
Great video i think your absolutely spot on. on a side note do you think you could sum the vocal mic to mono? the very slight stereo panning as you move was driving me crazy haha
I have a little Peavy Blazer practice amp that has a blue knob , I got in the early 90's. great for small room practice. Have had to re soldier the input jack connections ,and found a few cold joints on the board, but it still kicks a little when you ask for it.
I had a blue knob Peavey Bass amp for a long time before I moved up to an amp loud enough to really play shows. That little Peavey was indestructible though. I've blown a lot of amps, but that guy could tolerate volume cranked to 10 with gain anywhere you like. The DDT compression kicked in and kept you from frying it. The sound was great in the bedroom, but it mushed out next to a drummer. It was really good for recording though. Almost all the knobs pulled out for thick, shift, bright etc. Later on I tripped over the real cool Peaveys. The old Century, Musician and similar 70s amps from them have some amazing sounds in them. I think it's the Musician that had a preamp you could overdrive AND separate fuzz and distortion circuits in parallel. All solid state so a lot of people will turn up their nose. But I have never gotten a heavier bass sound with my Mesa, Aguilar or Acoustic rigs. Maybe with my old Traynor YBA1a (why did I ever sell that tube eating demon). The downside from older Peaveys is that early on Hartley Peavey would buy huge lots of parts at a discount then design to take advantage of whatever cheapo transitors he got. Seems a lot of those old ones have output mosfet failure. And the way they fail makes it easy for them to fry speakers.
Fran, Greg Valentine who produced QOTSA clarified that the Peavey Decade was used for BASS only on the record. Not guitar. He said Josh used a lot of Peavey in general, but the Decade was only used for bass on the sessions. Hope that helps.
Yeah Eric Valentine. The video is not online anymore (which speaks for it's autenticity) but I think every musician in the QOTSA fandom has a copy saved of it. Here's the short version for you guys that have not: Boost the mids, boost the mids, boost the mids.
I have had a peavey rage for years and years. I’m not so much into that distortion sound anymore, but the clean channel is great. The boss katana is a great amp . I’m also using Marshall these days. I would love to find a way to fake the dumble amp sound
An old Hitachi reel to reel was my first amp. You could just engage the record button then plug into the mic input. The speaker was an old oval type ripped from an abandoned b&w tv that I housed in a diy pine box and plugged into the headphone socket. Awesome sound though my dad didn't think so bless him. 😁 I have a Peavey Backstage 30 plus with reverb for home and a Special 130 I used to gig with. Great amps. 🖖
I grew up in the high desert such memories. I had a friend that lived out there and still does When I was learning to play guitar he built me an amplifier out of a small home speaker and parts from a AM/FM stereo I would plug that thing in crank it up, let face down on the bed, and it had the most awesome sound to this day, I still search for that sound on every amp I own every now and then
Interesting! Thanks! Keep up the good work! (please make your vids mono, I came close to tuning off because of the shifting stereo, very annoying on cans)
I have a peavey Pacer-SS-100. This thing sat in my step father's garage from the day his buddy bought it back in the 1980's CA. It was payment for the bodywork from crashing step Grandad's V-8, 67 mustang. Too bad the car, but hell, the amp is a good find. Step dad plays drums and can't even tune a guitar. He gave me the amp to fix up because the speaker dry rotted so bad that it just screeched wildly. Put an old Yamaha speaker into it and it sounds gorgeous. It's got a spring reverb made by some company other than Peavey, but I don't remember what company. I have no idea how speakers work, I just know you gotta have a speaker lower than the Ohms and Watts and you won't break it, hopefully. I need to take it to an actual speaker tech. I've also got a fulstack 1967 Carvin PA system that can piss off the neighbors a mile away rated for 400 Watts, and a 6505+ full stack running through two Marshall 1960's A+B cabs. I had a buddy pick the settings and I taped them in place so I don't break anything. It's nuts. It's too loud for a garage. I miss playing shows, and I'm not sure how the electronics work in these things. Fran, could you give us a course on how amps and speakers work together? If you already have a video then I'll look it up. I understand voltage and resistance for cars and relays and shit, but I don't much no how an amplifier operates with a speaker load. :( Anyways, cheers and I wish you well! (Pardon my language, I've spent too much time amongst Floridians. They're mostly marines, car salesmen, and divorce lawyers. Nobody understands electronics around here. God knows I can't spell right, but that's the least of my concerns.)
I remember back in high school, a band mate had a Bandit but I remember not liking the sound at all. I had a Fender Yale Reverb and preferred it over the Bandit by far, at least for the clean tones. It would be interesting to check both those amps out again now that I am all growns up.
Loved this video! I would HIGHLY suggest anyone, especially rock and heavy rock players, try a Peavy Brovo. There all tube. 2 el84's and 3 12ax7's. Effects loop, speaker out etc. They can be had used for the outrageous price of... $400 used! I've been playing for close to 40 yrs and it's my personal favorite of any I owned for home use!
Been seeing some interesting vids on this amp! I happen to have a Decade I think I traded with a friend or bought it for like $ 40. back in the 90s. Mainly been using it to play my Alesis elec drums through it, but fired it up the other day to get some better sound out of my big screen TV, it works great! I have since cleaned it up, it really needs the pots cleaned but will get around to it sometime. Thanks for this always interesting to learn these tidbits!
For years I used a hifi separates power amp as my guitar amp, it was crunchy and any pedals I used seemed to be exaggerated by it. I used a 2nd hand Russian Big Muff as my first dedicated distortion (later I modded it to have germanium transistors), later I got the Boss ODB3 and with a downtuned guitar I got comments that it was like the QotSA guitar sound. Personally I believe the amp is only part of the puzzle, other factors are that solidbody ovation guitar, the strings, tuning and how Josh Hommes fingers play.
That reminds me of Randy Bachman's "Herzog". It's basically a Fender Champ with a 10 ohm resistor for a speaker and a voltage divider to drop the level to an amp input friendly level. He used it on "No time" and "American woman".
A similar thing happened twenty or so years ago, when it was decided that the "Josh Homme" secret weapon was that ugly Ovation Les Paul type guitar, and the prices went from $400 to $2400. However, that era of Peavey amps are really underrated.
That's probably why Homme was attempting to throw people off the scent of what he really has used for amps in the past. A lot of people have been enquiring for years. Plus, that's really only one thing for a specific distorted sound in his arsenal. There has been a lot of talk in the past about other sounds, especially what he was doing during the Songs for the Deaf sessions. I remember it involving Ampeg bass heads and a few other things. Eric Valentine has talked a bit about this in the past as he worked on that record for a bit before Homme fired him.
The first guitar I ever owned was a present from my parents and it was a brand new '83 Peavey Mystic and a used Backstage Plus.I honestly forget how it sounded but I guess not too good because they sell cheap today and I might get one to remember.
