Josh Lucas reveals Bears' thought process on drafting Justin Fields & Mitchell Trubisky 

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Agree. It was neat to hear the personnel side in that decision process. I feel for Fields. Even when he plays well he’s surrounded by coaching that can’t manage games & makes bad decisions. Where a QB ends up is so important for development.

That’s because until recently they all wanted Brady and manning guys who’d check into the perfect and deliver a pinpoint ball. They didn’t want a farve a Vick a rothlessberger because the success of the play relied to much on the qb improvising or taking risks instead running the OCs plays

Except he can't read well and makes bad decisions. It'd help if he wasn't bad at those things.

@@JJ-zr6fuif you didn’t want a running qb, that’s back from the 90s. It not a recent thing to want one now when you have Mcnabb, Wilson, Big Ben and even rodgers can run. You want a qb that can run to extend and throw which Watson and Mahommes can do. Fields and trubisky college highlights showed they didn’t have accuracy. Wr we’re wide open and in fields case, his wr had to make major adjustments

Results are there and have been for years

Exactly. Makes sense that their picks always suck

Facts - it clearly says Sir your staff is highly inept and has no plan to develop or draft qbs

Not sure that it’s scouting rather than what they’re told to look for when scouting. All of these guys ignore Patrick Mahomes because they’ve been told to find the next Kirk Cousins. A game truly driven by players has been taken over by coaches & execs who “fake until they make it.” They utter the magic buzzwords to get hired & direct a staff in a direction that most execs don’t truly understand. There’s another good interview about the minute details of plays that Fields is running. It appears that the Bears are running some plays that were customized/adjusted by others for very specific situations that don’t apply to the Bears. But “fake it until you make it” coaches don’t realize they’re running it the wrong way so Fields has no chance of executing those plays unless he makes his own adjustments. The best coaches in the history of this game going back to Paul Brown & Vince Lombardi were TEACHERS. Today there’s a bunch of Madden players so the gap widens & the guys like Justin Fields are sacrificed & pushed into playing parts trying to get drafted high instead of falling to good teams like Dan Marino in 1983 going next to last to a Super Bowl team. These colleges need to have ppl help these kids look out for themselves when they declare for the draft. Instead, being drafted high by a trash team plays in to promoting the college & the player gets thrown under the bus if he can’t overcome the vultures trying to keep their jobs.

Facts

I gave up as a Bears fan that night. I can't care until these losers sell the team

@VoidSurfer9 I cared when they got Mack. All they needed was Robbie Gould to win the super bowl. But I haven’t really cared since fangio left. Fields was a bust that’s why he fell.

At least we don't spend too much time during the season bc it is end within 3-6 wks. 😅 damn

Mr I CAN'T DRAFT A GOOD QB

Isn't he just admitting that he's incompetent?

His answer on Watson was horrible. Watson was by far a better prospect by all the metrics he highlighted and they didn’t even consider him.

Josh definitely gave clarity for why we’ve been so bad for so long. His breakdown of picking QBs was insane. So much wrong with everything.

Josh Lucas and Ryan Pace are the worst General Managers in Chicago Bears history. Two giant misses with the most important position on the field. This interview made me feel worse, not better.

​@@JJ-zr6fuAnd what exactly has Watson done in his "stellar" NFL career? 😂

Love the interview but the drafting Trubisky over Mahomes/Watson part was quite cringey. He knows he can’t just say, we picked the one we’d want as our son in law/the one that we related to the most 😂

@@jahitrotter4734 Yea, he kind of made it seem like Trubisky's in person dinner put him over the top and that Mahomes seemed a little jittery and anxious in his dinner with the reps. On one hand, he said that it's not advisable to trust a QB who has only had 1 or 2 yrs of starting in college and that's exactly what they did with Trubisky...ugh...

If Browns personnel department goes with who they wanted in Trubisky at #1, we would have had Mahomes at 2 or 3. I need a drink....

Mitch and Justin are both able to read a defense well enough to drop and run. Both of them have actually showed talent in passing, but people won't hear that because apparently no one understands how a team works let alone context.

@bodvarson1933 The nfl can scheme against one trick pony’s at qb. Fields can only threaten you as a runner so they scheme for it and he becomes one the worst qbs in the nfl.

It sent us into another dimension. 😢

I agree should have taken Patrick or Watson just say ya'll got it wrong ..

We should exile this guy out of IL.

@@Mylefthook he said we should get rid of fields. go figure

What???????????

Yup

Then why you here

@@EviIM0nk3y everyone loves a good train wreck

Man this is horrible. I can’t believe the nfl thought Mitch was it. Granted it was the brown and bears but still crazy these back office people loved him.

@@newnewjohnson4776 bruh what? The Ryan Pace era was masterclass in failure at QB. This is a front office that paid Mike Glennon a three year 45mil deal to start 4 games, and it only gets worse there.

If only we all had as much insight and perspective on how to draft the worst players available

It’s not that simple did you watch

A simpleton could tell Watson was going to be good after watching him in college.

@@stevehannah how I was high on Mahomes NYGs wanted to trade up for him but he was raw he’s an outlier Watson is too he plays very reckless passing and running the eye test is important but banking on outliers is hard when your head is on the line Manziel beat up on Bama

Watson doesn't matter anymore. He would've done the same thing here that he did in Houston and then everyone would've been talking about how we should've drafted Mahomes over Watson. Watson is a headcase. The key issue is Mahomes being passed over, not Watson

That’s not what he said. He said he talked to others and they came back with a 2nd round grade based on their intangibles and measured categories

Was he there for Kevin white?

It's so strange, right. I'm trying to analyze the answer and I believe the Bears a) thought Mitch was clearly better than Mahomes (despite less experience?) and b) felt that missing out on Mitch at 2 would mean "sure we'll take Patrick but not at 3 because he's not going in the top 10 ..... meaning they somehow thought "Patrick would be there mid 1st round" or whatever. So wild lol

He's the man that has guaranteed football misery for Chicago fans for the last 7 years... totally rockin'

​@@VoidSurfer9exactly

The Bears had a top 10 defense throughout most of Trubisky's tenure. We didn't need Mahomes to come here and become "KC Mahomes", Mahomes with our defense wouldn't have needed to carry the team and an above average version of Mahomes is all we would have needed to make thr Bears a perennial playoff team. 60-70% of Mahomes' potential is better than 100% of Trubisky. The dude was a 3 year starter with a 5,000 yard season at Texas Tech. He would be better than Mitch in ANY circumstance including the Bears.

@@Harun-cd6jz in 18, they probably beat the Eagles with Mahomes. I still think the bears would’ve regressed in 19 with Mahomes. Nagys offense was figured out by the end of 2018. And the bears problems on the o line started getting bad in 2019. Mahomes would’ve been running for his life like he did in the Super Bowl Vs Tampa.

Pat Mahomes would have ended up exactly like FIELDS. No infrastructure and Matt Nagy.

Totally disagree with this thinking. A great player will be great no matter where they go. Mitch and Fields u have to Totally design a generic offense because their lack of talent as a q.b.

@@jayboek2854 systems and coaching matter. Alex Smith was a bust until Jim Harbaugh got to the 49ers. Then he went to play for Andy Reid in KC and put up big numbers for many years. Andy Reid turned Michael Vick into a good passer. Randell Cunningham struggled in Jon Grudens offense, got injured because they asked him to play from the pocket, then when he went to the Vikings, he found a system that fit him and he put up big numbers there. Steve Young was a bust in Tampa but Bill Walsh coached him up and he got to sit behind Joe Montana. We see it today with Geno Smith in Seattle. Talent does matter, but Mahomes has gave Andy Reid and Alex Smith all the credit for coaching him into the player that he is today. The most important free agent to a team is the head coach, then your o line coach. The team is a reflection of the head coach and qb, and the o line coach knows what the offense is capable of running. So the o line coach and OC should always be on the same page.

Race was behind drafting Trubisky over Watson or Mahomes.

Love the interview but the drafting Trubisky over Mahomes/Watson part was quite cringey. He knows he can’t just say, we picked the one we’d want as our son in law/the one that we related to the most 😂😮‍💨

Unbelievably crazy.

@@electric8668exactly that’s what made that part so hard to watch, because you know he’s bullshitting saying everything BUT what was actually behind it

@@electric8668we have a black qb right now, race did not play a factor

Exactly you know who makes decisions like that BAB ORGANIZATIONS!

Yeah the way he made it seem like it came down to other stuff and not this dinner, and walked it back. Wanted to throw my phone.

This was just one exercise, one data point. Shouldn’t a GM want the input of his team? Do you know if other teams do anything similar? Things can change very quickly on draft day…….

@@scooter5940 How About you first hire the persistent, GM and the coach the bears hired the coach first second the GM and then the persistent that’s what bad organizations due! Again coaches players and GM’s come and go but what remains the same is the bears bad organization!

Well if you watch the Kansas City play. 80% of what they do is off script, Pat rarely plays within the offense. Travis Kelce has ran an actual route in the playroom in years and Tyreek didn't either. If you look at the all 22 on pat he misses wide open recievers all the time in the structure of the play. Same a Watson one reason why he struggling in Cleveland, I believe he will get better but he never played on script. Bill O'brien was perfect with watson. This is why I don't think Caleb Williams will be good with chicago if you don't get a play caller like that. Please tell me the last time he played on script?

Mahomes was also given a god level team. You dont have Mahomes as we know him if taken by Chicago

That's why I don't buy it when people say "nobody knew Mahomes would be that good"..... Apparently SOMEBODY knew. Dude was doing video game numbers at Texas tech. Any NFL staff not investigating that was derelict in their duty.

@BigBrotherMotown Yep this is why Andy Reid might be considered betterthan belichek after he retires. Because bill rode Brady and got lucky Brady was Brady. But andy was successful at Philly then was a winner at KC and despite having a top 10 qb traded up to get mahomes and knew exactly what to do with him.

​@@oshae248nice try. Mahomes off script playmaking is certainly what makes him generational, but he very much runs that offense from the pocket efficiently. If you look at the numbers his production off the charts on both holding the ball less than 2.5 seconds AND over 5 seconds. Josh Lucas got a lot wrong as an evaluator but he's right about unicorn

Baker was as well he was drafted first overall the year before. The big 12 qb narrative is a dumb one

In reality the nfl had to adjust to the qbs colleges were producing

this is what doesn't add up

Makes.... what?

I agree. I wonder if Bagent could end up being a bit like Purdy. While it is D2, he had 5 years starting experience. He's basically the same age as Justin even.

Problem is they overwhelmingly value potential and upside over floor. Brock always had a high floor but he was seen as a low ceiling guy. The polar opposite of Trey Lance. One had an extensive body of work but that also hurt him because it was thought as that’s all there is to him while the other barely played a full season of college football but checked all the measurable

@Christian-eq6pq when has raw high upside been worth the pick? Lance? Fields? Mahomes wasn’t in the same category as those two either he was a three year starter he was the reason his team was even competitive. If you’re going to take high upside they also need to have that other stuff.

I wanted Deshaun and was so surprised they paid so much to move up one spot. They fact that they wrote off DeShaun before the draft even started was absurd.

Forreal 😂

It's like watching a serial killer documentary

Real talk, Patrick Mahomes was a three year starter with a 5,000 yard season at Texas Tech and that was still not enough for him to get drafted over Trubisky who had 13 starts. Deshaun Watson showed his talent against Alabama, played tougher competition, and was a mutil year starter and that wasn't enough for him to go over Trubisky? Watson played in the same conference as Trubisky which means Trubisky wasn't even the best QB in the ACC, yet they still took him over Watson?? These dudes are idiots.

@@Harun-cd6jzbut Mahomes & Watson aren’t white frat boys so they didn’t meet that regimes qualifications

@@Harun-cd6jz TBF, Watson was a sure bet, but Mahomes wasn't. He played in a college specialist system in a conference that hasn't played defense since the 70s. He could have become Mahomes... or one of the other 41 QBs who threw for like 8000 yards and 75 TDs a season in the Air Raid but can't actually play at the NFL level. To be certain, the Bears would have ruined Mahomes too.

That’s what you got from this?

If they had traded up and gotten mahomes or Watson they’d be praised for it. It only doesn’t make sense when Mitch was the pick

But every common fan of football knew Mitch was a bust. I thought fields would be a bust too but other people had thought otherwise. At the end of the day you look at the two and there’s no realistic reason why they’ll succeed except they’ll get experience. Watson you knew was a gamer he shredded the best defense at the time in bama twice when bama didn’t allow you to get them twice in back to back season. Mahomes had the arm talent to hit anything from anywhere. Max jones could run an offense and find open guys Lance had no reason he had little to know college experience but looked good against d3 players and had a strong not a good arm just strong

@@JJ-zr6fu if that is the case with common fans. the owner and gm can just go ask a common fan to draft a qb and run their scouting department. No body know how these qb would turned out.