Josh McDowell: Truth Is Absolute Not Subjective -- 1/10

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Jim Cantelon talks to Josh McDowell about the book he wrote with his son Sean, "The Unshakable Truth" and how truth is absolute but how a lot of people today think it is subjective.
Josh McDowell
Author, Founder of the Josh McDowell Ministry
Book: "The Unshakable Truth"
To Get Your Copy: www.crossroads.ca

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15 авг 2010

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@KvaedTV 3 года назад

Honesty is the absolute truth.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Absolute Truth is what is here and now in reality at any given moment. If something changes in the whole universe, that moment is gone. Every aspect of our human bodies are changing all the time, along with the world we live in. What does it mean when man searches for Absolute truth, in other words, how can we find the ONE reality that is underneath all our different perspectives? Is it even possible one could ask? Yes. but the mind MUST be completely silent to experience Absolute Truth.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Your deepest self being the space in which the present moment plays out. That is how you perceive the most subtlest of things. That which perceives subtle is subtler than subtle. Can you be the space for this moment right now? Beyond the phenomena (including you and who you think you are) that arises in it? Only you can answer this. No one can do it for you. If you cannot do it. Find out who you think you are. If you think you are someone. Who is even aware of the 'someone' that they are.

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

If you believe it's ok to lie to your friend and I believe it's not, who's right and how do you prove that they are right?

@cindychristman8708 Год назад

The trouble with seeing the world "as God sees the world" is you have to assume so much. You have to assume a god, you have to assume the Holy Spirit, you have to assume the "authority" of the Bible.

@gklr 12 лет назад

As you pointed out, it is a belief. Beliefs are not true. Beliefs cannot be proven true. If a proposition is proven true, it is not a belief. ie: you can't prove anything is right or wrong. All good-bad equations are opinions. We build consenus of opinions to form laws and elect governments. We can prove later what violates that consensus of opinion, but that is where it ends for proof of good and bad.

@gklr 12 лет назад

"But you are saying that the moral standard is subjective to beliefs" As it is with all values, value in music or art or food.... all work identically to how we place value in behaviours.

@AbbyinSammamish 9 лет назад

Anyone can say: “Your values are not as good as ours,” if they please. No external reference point is needed for that.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

How does one silent the mind enough to recognise this one reality? Do not identify with anything that changes. Your body is constantly in an alive changing process beyond our control meaning if we do absolutely nothing at all, the body goes on functioning. This is truth. When we let everything be, as it is... entirely... without any resistance to the present moment... and the mind has stopped seeking and figuring out life... what is left? Absolute Truth. No person has ever found it. You are it.

@owheydusoapsk 7 лет назад

Always ask someone that expounds on the reality of "absolute truth" to define exactly what they mean. They don't like to because if they are honest, it boils down to a belief in a God as the source of absolute truth. Which is fine. But it's not an argument based in logic.

@jerryholbrook13 5 лет назад

Its based on inarguable fact which is all thats needed

@justifiedtruth9722 2 года назад

Moral truth is logical…

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

I totally agree with you. They talk in circles around it to the point it's dizzying!

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

I'm amazed at how many intelligent people believe that truth is relative. Natural laws they can't dispute. Moral laws are no different. A law is a law. If there is no absolute moral truth then there is no such thing as good or evil. No way around that.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

absolute truth can only be known thru personal experience, like you cannot tell someone the taste of sugar, you must taste to realise

@1cor14 13 лет назад

@LetReasonPrevail1 What is truth?

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

As those two things can only possibly be stored as 'thoughts' in your head - are we merely a bunch of thoughts in our minds or are we that which is aware of everything?

@Bluedragon094 12 лет назад

Josh McDowell couldn't be more wrong about the renaissance. Some of the most beautiful and world famous artwork depicting Jesus and other fables from the Bible came about during that time, or is he going to be arguing that the David is a symbol of apostasy?

@gklr 12 лет назад

"That theory has a huge hole in it no matter how much you try to make complete logic out of it by saying it's all subjective based on cultural circumstances or whatever" Music and art, food, and ethics, work that way. Whether you agree or not. That is what establishes your own values. Saying so has no bearing on formal logic at all. Formal logic deals with truths, not beliefs.

@gklr 12 лет назад

Sugar did not always exist. All truths must be objective. Personal experience is subjective and can only provide opinion. Unless you can prove something is true, it is a belief. If you can prove it is true, it is relative to that system of proof. No truth can be absolute, since all truths must be proven.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Let me re-phrase. What stops you from seeing that there is just perception taking place right now. What makes you think there is 'you' perceiving? There is no-self. Just empty perception. Don't believe this though, that would then be a belief... but are you able to... know?

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

Huh? What's the difference between bad and evil?

@ameliabird1468 6 лет назад

truth has proof

@Lhikan634 13 лет назад

@TheVidMod634 Now, he arrived at the truth, though he may not have actually called it "elephant" (or "elefante" or an equivalent word in another language). Everything observable is like this; sometimes we can't get all of the evidence, but it's there somewhere (consider the question of the particles making up those which comprise electrons and etc. - whether they exist or not and what they are may remain unknown, for a time, but they're still as they are). With similar laws, religion is similar.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Exactly, but sir, I ask you now do you believe you are a human being separate from the world that seems to be around you?

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

By saying you are a human is saying you are a thought. You are referring to a thought in your head yes?

@gklr 12 лет назад

"If there is no wrong there is no evil" I did not say there was no "wrong". I explicitly said otherwise, that wrong exists and is a subjective belief we all have. I do say there is no evil yes. Evil is a mythological term solely. "If there is not evil you can't even measure the true value of anything" False. First off evil is not a term used in formal logic and truth is. There are no "true values" in music or art or in ethics correct, none can be proven true. They are beliefs, not truths.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

How do you know this? That would be a belief

@nofascistideologies8742 11 лет назад

Here is some truth for you. Joslin McDowell here has a 2 year associates degree that is worth the paper it is printed on from Kellogg Community College. Everything from that point up to his alleged Master of Divinity isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Why? Neither Wheaton College (Illinois) nor Talbot Theological Seminary (California) have ABET accredited 4 year degrees. What does that mean? Those Church Colleges aren't worth squat in the job market and do not meet certification requirement

@daprofigs 7 лет назад

No Fascist Ideologies I'm not sure why you had to go in that direction and criticize his credentials. I think it's funny how we believe that if something is accredited that that information is different then someone having the same exact information from a non-accredited source. The credibility of information stands alone. It doesn't need to be accredited to make it more valuable or excepted that another. That's societal regulations that have been put in place. No I do agree that we can brainwash thinking that somehow that information is more valued or more acceptable because it comes from an accredited course more so than the fact if it's just credible because the truth.

@gklr 12 лет назад

Absolute truth is impossible because all truths must be proven true. A proposition that is not proven true is a belief. Truth is relative to a system of proof, every single time.

@gklr 12 лет назад

Bad is the opposite of good. Evil is not the opposite of anything as it cannot be shown to exist at all. What is bad is a matter of opinion. Evil is an attempt at saying "it can be shown and proven that a behaviour is bad". Go ahead and prove it You won't be able to. The problem is that for everyone, we use private means in our mind that cannot be shared with others as to how we decide anything is right or wrong. We cannot share the data, thus it is subjective. Just as it is for taste in music

@gklr 12 лет назад

We cannot be aware of all things. We are more than our thoughts in that we require a brain to have those thoughts. For material things like people we do not define what they are, we describe what they are. Those descriptions are never the totallity of what we are, as we would have to describe every atom (quark?) of our physical selves to be complete, let alone all our thoughts.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

You are on the level of thought, assuming that our brain can one day understand life. It cannot possibly, it is life

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

What isn't a belief is the question ;)

@gklr 12 лет назад

Thoughts come from peoples brains. Those thoughts are not mine, they are established and taught, accepted by philosophers for about a century. Education is for everyone, even you.

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

To say that everything is purely relative then everyone has to be right and there is no wrong. If there is no wrong there is no evil. If there is not evil you can't even measure the true value of anything. That theory has a huge hole in it no matter how much you try to make complete logic out of it by saying it's all subjective based on cultural circumstances or whatever. If that's true then there are are a lot of cultural traditions that are good like cannibalism, burning children alive, etc..

@Lhikan634 13 лет назад

I'm a bit of a scientist myself, so I think of explanations slightly differently. Consider this common analogy: we have, say, 10 blindfolded people trying to identify an elephant through the sense of touch. One feels the tail and says "A rope." Another a leg; "It's a tree." A tusk - "A spearhead." An ear - "A fan." Trunk "A hose." (That's just 5 examples but you get the idea). But in each case, the person is absolutely WRONG. They arrive at the conclusion, but with a fraction of available data.

@gklr 12 лет назад

"Absolute Truth is what is here and now in reality at any given moment" No, an absolute truth is what is true for every possible circumstance, a form of "forever and ever amen truth". All truths are only applicable to now. A truth about a thing, proves that thing exists and the past doesn't exist, so there are no truths for the past.... just beliefs.

@gklr 12 лет назад

Beliefs are propositions that might be true and might be false, but are shown as neither. There are 3 belief types: opinions, myths and assumptions. That I am human is true, as it can be proven. You have no such proof, for you to assert I am human requires assumption. Properly put, you require inductive logic, as you do not have the facts needed to make to apply deductive logic.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Not really, I can say I am thinking about a donkey true or false. And there is no way you can get proof from the other person even if they claim to be telling the truth

@Lhikan634 13 лет назад

No matter what they say, they're wrong unless they say it's an elephant (or even animal would be closer). However, if one of these people analyzes the whole elephant, they find this: this appears to be a face, and I can feel breathing. These must be ears, and boy, are they large! Down here are sharp things, but they come unlike most teeth. It's large, too, what a hunk of a body it has, and thick legs also. And back here's a bristly thing whacking me in the face, probably a tail.

@gklr 12 лет назад

Taste in art and music exist, they are opinions we have. Ditto morals. To suggest I say "there is no moral standard" is ridiculous as saying "there is no value in art".

@gklr 12 лет назад

Liebnizs Law actually. For A to equate B, all that is true for A must be true for B. Anything that exists and is not me, has truths for it that do not apply to me. That is called the law of identity, it is how we identify things as different. I can say things that are true about the world, that are not true about me. Thus we are different.

@gklr 12 лет назад

"So you are saying there is no moral standard and whatever anyone wants to do it ok" No, I never said any such thing. Nor did I imply any such thing. I exlplained there is a moral standard, like there are standards in music or taste in food. We decide all of those things the same way, via subjective belief. Subjective beliefs have no bearing at all on the topic of this video, which is on truth. Your comments are off-topic, and off-base.

@gklr 12 лет назад

I am a part of the world, not "the world".... things exist that are not me.

@gklr 12 лет назад

I know I am human, I don't believe it. To be a belief it must be possible I am not human. Am I seperate from the world? No. I am part of the world. "The world" is all that exists.

@gklr 12 лет назад

To a rapist, raping is good. To a cannibal, cannibalism is good. To a torturer, torture is good. You and I may disagree, and we may have most of the world in our corner... that doesn't make it so. When we say something is a belief, it means that the proposition MAY be true and MAY be false but cannot be shown as either. It doesn't make it TRUE that any behaviour is good. It means all behaviours are believed to be good or bad, provable as neither.

@daprofigs 7 лет назад

I think the trouble with this video is that Josh McDowell takes so much time to build the platform to give the answer to the question of whether or not there's absolute that by the time he gets to it I Dont want to listen to anymore.

@owheydusoapsk 7 лет назад

He can't prove "truth" is objective. Because it boils down to belief that there is a God that is the source of truth. So he tries to discredit the idea of truth being subjective by mis-characterizing it as arbitrary. Look at the guy doing the interview, he's still waiting for an answer. If pushed, apologists will appeal to your intuition, (like pneumatictrousers above). "Can't you sense that there just MUST be absolute truth?"

@gklr 12 лет назад

Only empirical truths are percieved. Tautologous truths are concieved. Science is percieved. Logic, language, thought, numbers, statements are concieved. Reality is not something we can identify via perception, it is not a material object, it is a conception, like logic or mathematics is. Ditto truth. Truth is not a material object.

@gklr 12 лет назад

"Both would be right so therefore it would have to wash out evil and good" False. Neither side is "right" if by right you mean "proven true it was good". No such proof exists for anything as "good" or for "bad". These are always opinions. ie: the method we use to decide is not shareable with others. There is no choice about that, it is simply how it works.

@gklr 12 лет назад

There are many societies that have existed that did rely on cannabilism and to them it was good.

@forgivepie6256 2 года назад

JESUS [IS] THE TRUTH!!!

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Good, so you have realised you are the world. So where is this 'you' that is human? Can you point to this 'you'?

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

So you are saying there is no moral standard and whatever anyone wants to do it ok. There's really no such thing as good and evil then. They are only beliefs.

@AbbyinSammamish 9 лет назад

“Tolerance teaches…” Huh? Tolerance is a value. It doesn’t “teach” anything, and certainly NOT McDowell’s list of items. Diversity does NOT mean “all things are equal.” Epistemology is NOT “the study of the nature and the source of truth.” It is the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion. “Multiculturalism,” “diversity…” are given new and ridiculous definitions, tailor made to prove his points, of course. McDowell’s reasoning can only work with the support of his made up definitions. Without them, it is nonsensical.

@1974jrod 6 лет назад

Truth is not absolute, it is simply truth. If one tries to reinforce truth with another word, then it actually makes the word truth something other than it truly is. It dirties it. Jesus always says truly truly I say unto you. He never says absolutely truth.

@thegatheringqc8982 6 лет назад

Are you guys absolutely sure about all that lol

@drew1768 3 года назад

People are scared of the truth. So they make up their own.

@williamsbrooke 14 лет назад

Josh, let me help you understand why young people are leaving the Church in droves. People love buying into laughable concepts like Zen, Buddhism, and so-called "Spiritualism" in their search of the truth. The younger generation, as they enter post-secondary education, look to alternative belief systems that rationalize evil behaviour. The Christian life, in comparison, which defines freedom to be the "right to do what is right," is simply too restrictive and "irrational."

@gklr 12 лет назад

... and so you have shown a belief. How do you consider that applies to what I wrote?

@gklr 12 лет назад

No.... that I am human is true, an empirical truth, and all empirical truths are contingent on facts. 1+1=2 is true and not an empirical truth, it is a tautologous truth. Tautologous truths are not dependent on fact, they are necessary by way of definition. Each is systemic, each are not absolute.

@gklr 12 лет назад

All information is learned.

@ncripzx 12 лет назад

Ok, then that means your name and the fact you are a human being are just beliefs, whch they are

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

But you are saying that the moral standard is subjective to beliefs. If that's the case then there is no real moral standard because one society may say it's acceptable to eat humans and burn children alive and another says it's evil. Both would be right so therefore it would have to wash out evil and good. And this does have to do with truth. If there are no absolutes then there really is no truth. Maybe life is just a big illusion and nothing is real then.

@LetReasonPrevail1 13 лет назад

Truth is that which comports with and accurately represents reality. As such, once you allow for make-believe rubbish to enter into the realm of legitimate discourse, then anything can be said to be the truth. However, I reject all such rubbish from entering into my logical purview. I recommend you do the same.

@voicevitality7197 4 года назад

Oh man look at all the haters in the comment section.

@billbrock8547 3 года назад

I'm not a hater, I'm a mocker.

@voicevitality7197 3 года назад

@@billbrock8547 no difference

@gklr 12 лет назад

Then go ahead and claims truths for things that do not exist. No matter to me. They simply are not true.

@leadee2007 12 лет назад

Sounds like a bunch of circular speak to me. Sorry, I can't buy it.

@gklr 12 лет назад

...and you are still on about beliefs, not truths. This video and topic is about truths. 1+1=2 is true, not absolute. It was not true prior to mathematics existing. "the earth has water" is true, not absolute. It was not true prior to the earth existing. The issue here is truth, not belief.

@gklr 12 лет назад

I recommend you begin to read some formal logic. Truth is a logical term, not a spiritual one. If anyone was to suggest there ARE absolute truths in any reputable university that teaches logic on the entire planet, they would quite quickly be shown why not. Repeat it on an exam and you would simply fail. That we can show why, with formal proof, there are no absolute truths.... just seems to fly in one ear and out the other with you. If you cannot reason, do not try.

@gklr 12 лет назад

I disagree with torture as much as you do. Neither of us can prove it is wrong. We agree with 99% of the world and have a consensus of opinion. Show me wrong.... simply show WHY anything is wrong and prove it is. You can't and nor can anyone else. Just as you can't prove one music sounds better than another, or that one food tastes better than another. Saying you can.... is hogwash. Go ahead and try.

@gklr 12 лет назад

"If there are no absolutes then there really is no truth."` False. You exist is true and you did not always exist, so it is not an absolute truth. No truths existed prior to language as all truths are statements. POOF goes absolute truth. All truths are systemic, they need a system of proof and are relative to that system of proof. No exceptions.

@gklr 12 лет назад

"To say that everything is purely relative then everyone has to be right and there is no wrong." Relative in determining right from wrong, is a matter for ethics. In ethics, relative means subjective. This video is on truth, not belief. Truth is a matter for logic. In logic relative means objective, not subjective. In physics relative means something new again, and in geneology relative has a new meaning. You cite ethics because it is the only application of "relative" you have for this topic?

@gklr 12 лет назад

"If that's true then there are are a lot of cultural traditions that are good like cannibalism, burning children alive, etc.." They sure were good for those doing it. I disagree with it, you disagree with it, but we together cannot show and prove any ethical position is true or false. We build a consensus of opinion to condemn or praise any action, or to write laws, or elect governments You could just settle the issue and PROVE anything tastes good, anything sounds good, any action is good etc

@haslan76 Год назад

Zelensky friends

@damsondaniel2527 4 года назад

The man who ruined Ahmed deedats Career 😂😂😂

@gklr 12 лет назад

"Maybe life is just a big illusion and nothing is real then" If so, then illusions are real things. Reality is what we can show exists. We show what exists via truths about things. If you have a truth, the subject of that statement MUST exist. That is how we prove what is real. No truth exists for 1 minute ago, as 1 minute ago does not exist now. Truths prove what exists and we have no truths for things that do not exist and 1 minute ago does not exist. POOF for absolute truths.