Josh Pate On FSU + Clemson + UNC Possibly Leaving ACC (Late Kick Cut) 

Ill fix it all on ncaa 25

Long time ACC powerhouses Cal and Stanford will keep it together

"Leaving well enough alone" ended when Texas and Oklahoma started this whole money grab, and people need to stop blaming FSU and Clemson and anyone else now doing what they can to survive as a result...

If we are going to support regionality then majority of ACC belongs in SEC

ACC not pressuring the weak teams to step up their football programs cost them in the end.

If FSU or Clemson went to the big 12 those fans would burn the programs to the ground. You don’t make all this noise to not end up in the biggest conferences with the highest pay days.

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ACC was dead in the water when it put together that horrific grant of rights in 2013. Its a wonder it has lasted this long.

Josh is right. Brett Yormark knows what he is doing. The SEC and Big Ten had better not get too comfortable. If the Big 12 manages to grab several of the top ACC teams and if teams like TCU, Utah, K State or other Big 12 teams make playoff runs or win it all in the next 5 years we could be looking at a much different landscape.

We all know you love the Big12, and I can respect that, but there’s no way FSU, or Clemson would go there. Of course the SEC and Big Ten are acting like they don’t need to add any more teams. They’re only saying that in hopes of getting FSU, Clemson, and the other high value ACC teams at a discount rate. FSU Always ranks within the top 15 Nationally of the most viewed teams in college football. Viewership equals money! The top tier teams in the ACC will end up in either the Big Ten or the SEC! GUARANTEE!

Do you really think FSU and Clemson would spend hundreds of millions and not have landing spots in the SEC or B10? Would they spend hundreds of millions to go to the B12 for basically the same money and competitive perception? No and no are the answers.

????? Anything for content.. move to the BIG12 from the ACC for what exactly

FSU and Clemson are the most watched programs in the ACC. FSU is one of the top-watched programs in the nation. I think they will be fine leaving the ACC.

Josh do you honestly think that FSU would have filed this lawsuit if they had not already had “informal” talks with the B1G and/or SEC or have extreme confidence that they have a landing spot? Of course no one associated with the B1G or SEC is going to come out publicly and say anything because they don’t want to be sued. I just find it laughable that people out there are painting this narrative that FSU and Clemson decided to just blindly file suit against their own conference without knowing informally they had a landing spot. No one is going to do that

Josh is stirring up trouble 😳...i love it 😂

I've been thinking the ACC was dead in the water ever since FSU filed their lawsuit.

FSU and Clemson are not spending millions to litigate the ACC to end up in the Big12. Both AD’s would never be able to show their face in public again.

Super content!

FSU and Clemson will go to the SEC. The big 10 already has more teams so the SEC would have the same if they go to SEC

To me it seems like there's too much noise around the acc imploding for me to believe its going to implode. Usually when these things happen they happen in the dark and then boom it comes out when the deal is done. Like when USC and ucla went to the big ten

Josh, I have been saying the exact same things about Brett Yormark to my friends as well. People need to really check his background and educate themselves. I am also rooting for the Big 12.

Interesting video. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens over the coming 12 months. Ultimately I don’t think the BIG 12 will be in play for the schools mentioned, but you start getting to the mid-tiers you better believe they are in play.

They better not let Brett Yormark cook

The only thing I disagree with Josh on is that the market, specifically the TV market, is not important as beer and soap ads are how the networks are getting all that money they are paying the SEC and B1G. Some of us saw this coming last year when people were saying the PAC still had a chance to stay together. Disney told ESPN to spend less money, so if they can get out of the ACC deal, they will, they certainly aren't giving them more money to stay together. The Big 12 stayed together because Fox said they wanted to maintain a presence in Texas and that is the only reason. We are going to end up with 2 conferences of 24 teams, we may have an interim period of 2 power conferences with around 20 teams each and a lesser Big 12 with 20 or schools, but eventually Fox and Friends will have all their eggs in the B1G basket and ESPN will have all their eggs in the SEC basket and everyone else will be AAC level conferences.

Good take

Funny analogy!!😅

They will both be in the B1G Ten

Didn't the ACC learn from the Pac12 and how the Big12 handled Texas and Oklahoma

I would love to see Texas A&M go back to the Big 12 or Big 10 along with FSU Clemson or NC

Where would CUSE go? We have to find somewhere suitable.

If they add any more commercials to the actual game, they might as well just put up stills of the play highlight before returning to the next commercial.

That would be disappointing

Brett is the man. If you let him cook, you better watch out.

The Big 10 doesn't have ESPN. Look at Oklahoma and Texas. These two schools have way more prestige than any ACC team. If they have go from the Big 12 to the SEC to stay in the ESPN ecosystem then so are the ACC teams. FSU has been scared of the SEC since Bobby Bowden. It's not the Big 10's job to save FSU or any ACC team.

This saddens me. And I'm complete SEC. It's hard to see all these changes leading to a good end result for the sport.

Adding MSU is what finally Killed ACC

Obviously the top tier ACC schools would likely have their pick of conferences. If I’m the Big 12, I’m going all in on North Carolina and Duke. There is a niche for a top basketball league and solid football league. Pairing Kansas, Arizona, North Carolina and Duke in a basketball conference would be a solid move

As a longtime fan of the Big East, I find it utterly humorous and ironic that the conference most guilty of destroying the Old Big East by stealing Syracuse Pitt and BC away from their natural rivals faces the same ignominious fate has me laughing on the inside!!

The people who say that FSU/Clemson moving to the Big 12 wouldn't help are clueless and do not have an open mind. FSU/Clemson to the Big 12 increases the media deal likely around to 10 to 15 million more per school per year, taking money from the ACC deal, would allow the Big 12 to increase its conference network, and increase ad revenue and a higher cut of the CFP payout. That pulls the Big 12 to within 10 to 15 million per school vs the B1G/SEC pushing the Big 12 to also 100+ million per year.

Adding those teams in general would make the big 12 more valuable of course not to the level of the SEC and the Big Ten but without a doubt there will be 100 million added to the value of the Big 12 which would increase each team's overall payout of course not to the size of the top two conferences but I'm sure it would be a lot more than what each conference the ACC and Big 12 can expect to receive right now

Unfortunately the B10/SEC will never allow those brands to get to the B12. They may not want to expand, but you can bet your life savings on the fact they'd expand to keep the B12 from landing those high profile brands, because in the long run those 2 are aiming to be the only game in town. We literally saw this already with Oregon and Washington. Just when rumors started picking up about them possibly looking toward the B12 because the B10 wanted to stand pat, boom the B10 suddenly finds room for them. So while it may be in the best interest of CFB in the long run, its just not gonna happen.

@LateKickwithJoshPate The $380M annual contract that the Big 12 signed was for 12 schools. The ESPN portion had automatic pro-rata provisions for up to 4 P5 schools. The Fox portion did not contractually stipulate support for pro-rata, but I think they agreed in the case of the 4 corners. In any case, $380M is not the correct value of the Big 12 contract for the current 16 schools. Assuming pro rata, that number is $505M.

Goodbye to college football if the ACC dissolves.

FSU and Clemson come on over to the SEC

I love college football and basketball. All this stuff is over my head. I like my teams and will be watching but what I want is a sense of finality when the season starts. But that ain’t gonna happen for a while

Brett Yormark will offer ND a Acc type deal

It's not "well enough" if you are losing so much economic ground to your peers and rivals.

Would love to see the big12 take the best of the Acc

Attaboy Josh...what a sneaky crazy steal it would be to plunder Miami and UNC. The two make very good sense...one for Hoops and one for Football.

That would be krazy FSUy, NC,Mia In the Big 12 😢😢😂😂😂

I think FSU + Clemson and others will go to the Independent conference for football only. Will stay in the ACC conference for other sports. Or 20 teams in the big 10 and big 12 , will have 10 teams in the south and 10 teams in the north or west and east. Big east should bring back football conference. Conference realignment will end in 2030s. Everything will settle down by then.

Jim Philips is incompetent

Please let Brett Yormark have a couple more years and the Big12 will be Elite!

Wow, you're just figuring this out. I've been saying that the ACC is dead as a football conference since last December.

I would like to see all 3 come to the SEC. Although, I'm not holding my breath.

I would think the B1G and Fox would love to have a southeast footprint.

Lots of ACC teams running scared too, NC State just dropped App State as an out of conference opponent for.....Virginia.

Poppa was a rollin stone too…

The ACC's goose was cooked when it chose (poorly) to expand into the Northeast, essentially throwing life preservers to meddling Big East football programs. How'd that work out for the conference's men's basketball prestige? When the dust settles, the most valuable brands will end up joining the Big Ten and SEC; those who missed the cut, while still offering strong markets, will join the Big 12. The leftovers will likely form a Group-of-Five caliber super-conference with the American, etc.

Dude, research more before you post videos, media deals with the big 10 and sec get renegotiated when they invite new teams in.

I believe the big 12 will survive, no matter how many teams leave the conference because they’re going to sign the contract with Apple that the Pac 12 refused to sign, they know how to survive

The only expansion the Big10 is interested in any time soon is when Notre Dame figures out that the writing is on the wall and they're going to have to join a conference in football or they're not going to be able to play a competitive enough schedule to make the college football playoff. And if the ACC is cooked by that point, they'll be in the Big10 very very shortly. The only caveat will be that they will probably bring another team with them to maintain an even # of teams AND so they can preserve all their traditional rivals within the conference...and if you're doing the math in your head, the only traditional ND rival that is currently not in the Big10 as of now is...Stanford. The thinking the last couple years is that ND is going to be forced to join a conference in football or there isn't going to be enough tv $ or a schedule out there for them to compete especially as these conferences grow and end up playing 9 or 10 league games and less and less non-con games. They've always banked on the ACC if it comes to that, like the COVID year. But the ACC may not be around. Could they tuck tail and go to the Big12? Yeah, but I doubt that will happen. I don't believe their pride, or $ would let them settle for the Big12 when they could get into the Big10 where all their rivals and a bigger slice of TV $ is - and, the key nobody talks about too, Marcus Freeman is a Big10 guy. And if they keep having winning seasons and recruiting well, and it looks like he may be content to stay there for quite some time, he is going to have a major voice inside their decision when it comes to joining a conference. Outside of taking ND and their +1 (which is 90% likely to be Stanford), the Big10 doesn't view itself as a life raft for any of these other schools. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the Big10 and SEC don't want to take any of the ACC teams. Would they merge with the Big12?

Loved Bret Yuckmark hanging Texas that b12 trophy!! His face said it all and full of embarrassment having talking big 😂😂😂

Brotha……big 12 cmon now

Where have you been? Finally off that month long vacation? Jeez. Living the dream.

The moment the Acc added smu was the end.

No it’s not. Best basketball conference in the country, it won’t crumble strength in numbers that’s why they just added cal, smu, and Stanford

So says Mr. Clean. Let the dominos fall.

Pate, This is a diluted video by your standards. FSU and Clemson and UNC (if they leave) will have their back room handshake deals ahead of time. Appreciate your work. Sorry I missed you at Savannah QB Club. I know it was 1st class.

I’m just hoping the big 12 is perceived as weak and small because that leaves the big 12 an opportunity and strategic opening to come out of nowhere and leaves everyone with their jaws dropped and vulnerable.

Josh trying to scare the SEC and BigTen to move on the ACC. I love it.

Really bad premise put forth here... do you really think FSU and Clemson would be taking up these lawsuits if they didn't already have a signal from at least one of the P2 conferences that theyd be accepted?

See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable. Sincerely, The Big Ten

UCF being in the B12 would be a deal breaker for FSU

FSU and Clemson joining the Big 12 would be a downgrade for both of them. They should stick out until the get a bid from SEC or Big 10

FSU and Clemson - as the premier football powers in the conference - have landed a fatal blow on the ACC. No matter what ends up transpiring with the litigations (and how long they take), it’s safe to say both will end up in the P2 and remain competitive power programs in the new world order. On a related note, it is sad to watch the “Tobacco Road” heritage diminish before our very eyes. It’s truly one of the more unfortunate casualties of the evolving college football power structure. The harsh truth is that basketball and other revenue sports do not have the mass to counterbalance the remarkable and ever-growing value of college football. Programs like UNC, Duke, Kansas and others will in all likelihood take on tier 2 status in the coming P2 framework. While the P2 may end up accommodating some of these programs, they will only serve as chum to the alphas in both the SEC and B1G. What remains to be seen is how basketball and other sports fare within the coming landscape. The internal struggles and financial problems in Chapel Hill make this all the more evident.

If Josh’s Alma Mater (UNC) would grow some nuts and join the FSU/Clemson party against the ACC things would move quicker. The UNC AD/Prez need to keep UNC as it’s priority and NOT the ACC.

College football is a shrinking market, it’s just the consolidation of $$$ to a smaller amount of teams is happening at a faster pace.

I would disagree with your premise a bit. It is in both the Big 10 and SEC's LONG-TERM interest to have a 3rd powerful conference. Even if the Conference is not as powerful as either. It will act as counter to either one of the other when there is a disagreement down the road.....which is bound to happen. Right now there is a kind of detente between the SEC and Big 10 but that is bound to not be the case forever.

You gave us no update instead just said what you’ve been saying the whole time about the ACC

The Big Ten tv contract has built-in increases to it in the case of adding new members so that the current members don't lose money doing it. So that isn't a factor. All that matters is whether the new addition adds enough revenue to pay for themselves to the networks. With one exception, there's zero chance the Big Ten doesn't add North Carolina if they come available, no matter what the numbers for the networks or athletic programs say. They bring several hundreds of millions to the Big Ten collectve in other areas that have nothing to do with sports.

Considerring everything going on I would love to see 3 24teem conferences. Each with 4- 6 team regionaly relevent divisions. 5 divional games, 6 non divisional conference games, so tha every three years you play everybody in the conferences. 16 team play-off with12 divional/(regional) champs+4 teamwildcard playoff division for the four best non divional champ teams. The conference championship included in playof. Every game matters. Each conference negotiates pay for there conference and conference championship game tv contracts. Conferences which place more wild card teams get more money. This restores regional rivalries, increases relevant games, without increasing number of games played. This could help with nil, transfer portal, watchability of games, andstabalize the sport that we love, without removing the things that made it great, or overlyburdanning players eith too many games or segragating to many teams out of the big picture. With 3 conferences the mony should be good. The group of 5 would need there own playoff. L

It's all about greed these days.

At least see if the ACC can get Maryland back, i work with the young man who has no memory of the Maryland Duke rivalry a maryland return would help a lot

The ACC will survive, even if those teams leave. That's why they added Stanford, Cal and SMU. It'll be weaker, but it'll survive.

Clemson, FSU and UNC want to go to the PAC12 😂

Those programs about to go down hill fast lmfao.

you might be right , but the way i see it their got to be a place for the lboys that can t play againist 340 lb lines..clemson ,flordia st .good in football north carlina basketball will it makea difference if their is no ACC .time will tell TIME PASSES ON..

As a Nole, we will go to SEC Big 10...period

Respectfully, the ACC is cooked and Brett Yormark might be the chef

Sucks!! I really enjoyed laughing at em over the years.

SEC homers: oh yay! We're expanding! Also 1 year later: Oh why can't you be happy in the ACC making jack shit.

Its. Just not really AAC call If espn resigns that contrct to go thiught 2036 i dont think anyone leaveing

ACC hasn't been a "Power" conference in over a decade. A conference with a Power team, yes ..... a conference with more than one power team.year after year ...no.

the B1G and the SEC can't and don't want to take 12-15 more teams from another conference. 15 of the ACC teams have no other desirable options. Conference will survive. Also, to the ESPN will drop them idiots, remember that ESPN needs content to fill there networks and new streaming platform. If they drop the ACC just because FSU and Clemson are in the Big 12, how does ESPN replace the ACC basketball content? With Sunbelt basketball? I know it doesn't move the needle like football, but it's content they need, none the less. If shitty content didn't matter, none of you would have a Netflix account!

Lol Big 12 should come to ACC and redo contracts

The shame of it all is that from 2013-18 The ACC was the most dominant football conference. 3 nattys, two Heismans, so many individual award winners. LSU had an all time great team in 19 and then covid happened and we had post covid and now in 2023 the PAC and Big 10 was on top. Now we have a sport that wants to act like the ACC never existed let alone dominated. What trash. And the ACC admin is trash, knowingly letting the most valuable conference members be setup for failure.

Fsu especially (I fuckin hate) will DEF get interest from the SEC and Big10, they’ll make room for that school and it’s brand

Compliance, lawyers and CPAs have made the world more stale and lame. They ruin everything

I was surprised they weren't to first to dissolve. They were always weaker than the pac 12 to me.