Josh Pate On FSU + Clemson + UNC Possibly Leaving ACC (Late Kick Cut) 

Ill fix it all on ncaa 25

FSU and Clemson are the most watched programs in the ACC. FSU is one of the top-watched programs in the nation. I think they will be fine leaving the ACC.

We all know you love the Big12, and I can respect that, but there’s no way FSU, or Clemson would go there. Of course the SEC and Big Ten are acting like they don’t need to add any more teams. They’re only saying that in hopes of getting FSU, Clemson, and the other high value ACC teams at a discount rate. FSU Always ranks within the top 15 Nationally of the most viewed teams in college football. Viewership equals money! The top tier teams in the ACC will end up in either the Big Ten or the SEC! GUARANTEE!

FSU and Clemson are not spending millions to litigate the ACC to end up in the Big12. Both AD’s would never be able to show their face in public again.

To me it seems like there's too much noise around the acc imploding for me to believe its going to implode. Usually when these things happen they happen in the dark and then boom it comes out when the deal is done. Like when USC and ucla went to the big ten

I would love to see Texas A&M go back to the Big 12 or Big 10 along with FSU Clemson or NC

Adding MSU is what finally Killed ACC

I think FSU + Clemson and others will go to the Independent conference for football only. Will stay in the ACC conference for other sports. Or 20 teams in the big 10 and big 12 , will have 10 teams in the south and 10 teams in the north or west and east. Big east should bring back football conference. Conference realignment will end in 2030s. Everything will settle down by then.

Wow, you're just figuring this out. I've been saying that the ACC is dead as a football conference since last December.

If Josh’s Alma Mater (UNC) would grow some nuts and join the FSU/Clemson party against the ACC things would move quicker. The UNC AD/Prez need to keep UNC as it’s priority and NOT the ACC.

Pate, This is a diluted video by your standards. FSU and Clemson and UNC (if they leave) will have their back room handshake deals ahead of time. Appreciate your work. Sorry I missed you at Savannah QB Club. I know it was 1st class.

Goodbye to college football if the ACC dissolves.

Loved Bret Yuckmark hanging Texas that b12 trophy!! His face said it all and full of embarrassment having talking big 😂😂😂

I would like to see all 3 come to the SEC. Although, I'm not holding my breath.

I’m just hoping the big 12 is perceived as weak and small because that leaves the big 12 an opportunity and strategic opening to come out of nowhere and leaves everyone with their jaws dropped and vulnerable.

Jim Philips is incompetent

Josh trying to scare the SEC and BigTen to move on the ACC. I love it.

Would love to see the big12 take the best of the Acc

Good take

Super content!

Respectfully, the ACC is cooked and Brett Yormark might be the chef

The moment the Acc added smu was the end.

the B1G and the SEC can't and don't want to take 12-15 more teams from another conference. 15 of the ACC teams have no other desirable options. Conference will survive. Also, to the ESPN will drop them idiots, remember that ESPN needs content to fill there networks and new streaming platform. If they drop the ACC just because FSU and Clemson are in the Big 12, how does ESPN replace the ACC basketball content? With Sunbelt basketball? I know it doesn't move the needle like football, but it's content they need, none the less. If shitty content didn't matter, none of you would have a Netflix account!

FSU took out a huge private equity loan called project Osceola. College football is going the golf route if Espn and Fox don't pay someone else will. The days of teams beinng forced to a conference with equal pay are over. If the conference model was so great ND would had joined a long time ago but its not its socialism not capitalism. I dont see FSU giving any ACC schools a dime as they are doing whats in their best interest and the ACC schools have repeatedly refused to invest in football even fighting FSU when adding any football school like Miami or Louisville. ACC would much rather have schools that dillute it even more in football like Cal, SMU and Stanford. ACC is a joke

See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable. Sincerely, The Big Ten

SEC homers: oh yay! We're expanding! Also 1 year later: Oh why can't you be happy in the ACC making jack shit.

you might be right , but the way i see it their got to be a place for the lboys that can t play againist 340 lb lines..clemson ,flordia st .good in football north carlina basketball will it makea difference if their is no ACC .time will tell TIME PASSES ON..

Sucks!! I really enjoyed laughing at em over the years.

Poppa was a rollin stone too…

As a Nole, we will go to SEC Big 10...period

Makes sense, FSU has always been scared to join the SEC, they know they will be a Mid Tier team there like KY

I predict Florida state, Clemson and Duke will actually join the big 12

Anyone who thinks that the ACC is going to cease to exist, like what happened to the Pac10, if three or four schools leave is naive. The reason the Pac10 folded is because everyone (except 2 schools) had other options. That does not apply to the ACC with the possible exceptions of 2, 3, or maybe 4 schools. The ACC will survive, albeit with less TV money, etc.

Picking those teams up doesn’t make any sense for the big 10 and sec unless they’re promised so many spots in the playoff. They’re not gonna add a team that could cannibalize their good ones

Long time ACC powerhouses Cal and Stanford will keep it together

"Leaving well enough alone" ended when Texas and Oklahoma started this whole money grab, and people need to stop blaming FSU and Clemson and anyone else now doing what they can to survive as a result...

ACC not pressuring the weak teams to step up their football programs cost them in the end.

Josh do you honestly think that FSU would have filed this lawsuit if they had not already had “informal” talks with the B1G and/or SEC or have extreme confidence that they have a landing spot? Of course no one associated with the B1G or SEC is going to come out publicly and say anything because they don’t want to be sued. I just find it laughable that people out there are painting this narrative that FSU and Clemson decided to just blindly file suit against their own conference without knowing informally they had a landing spot. No one is going to do that

If FSU or Clemson went to the big 12 those fans would burn the programs to the ground. You don’t make all this noise to not end up in the biggest conferences with the highest pay days.

If we are going to support regionality then majority of ACC belongs in SEC

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ACC was dead in the water when it put together that horrific grant of rights in 2013. Its a wonder it has lasted this long.

????? Anything for content.. move to the BIG12 from the ACC for what exactly

Josh is right. Brett Yormark knows what he is doing. The SEC and Big Ten had better not get too comfortable. If the Big 12 manages to grab several of the top ACC teams and if teams like TCU, Utah, K State or other Big 12 teams make playoff runs or win it all in the next 5 years we could be looking at a much different landscape.

Do you really think FSU and Clemson would spend hundreds of millions and not have landing spots in the SEC or B10? Would they spend hundreds of millions to go to the B12 for basically the same money and competitive perception? No and no are the answers.

FSU and Clemson will go to the SEC. The big 10 already has more teams so the SEC would have the same if they go to SEC

The only thing I disagree with Josh on is that the market, specifically the TV market, is not important as beer and soap ads are how the networks are getting all that money they are paying the SEC and B1G. Some of us saw this coming last year when people were saying the PAC still had a chance to stay together. Disney told ESPN to spend less money, so if they can get out of the ACC deal, they will, they certainly aren't giving them more money to stay together. The Big 12 stayed together because Fox said they wanted to maintain a presence in Texas and that is the only reason. We are going to end up with 2 conferences of 24 teams, we may have an interim period of 2 power conferences with around 20 teams each and a lesser Big 12 with 20 or schools, but eventually Fox and Friends will have all their eggs in the B1G basket and ESPN will have all their eggs in the SEC basket and everyone else will be AAC level conferences.

I've been thinking the ACC was dead in the water ever since FSU filed their lawsuit.

Interesting video. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens over the coming 12 months. Ultimately I don’t think the BIG 12 will be in play for the schools mentioned, but you start getting to the mid-tiers you better believe they are in play.

Everything will settle down by 2028.. 20 team big 10 /sec is diluted.. ask soccer... There aren't unlimited funds out there.. fans will bring things back to earth..

They will both be in the B1G Ten

Brotha……big 12 cmon now

They better not let Brett Yormark cook

College football is a shrinking market, it’s just the consolidation of $$$ to a smaller amount of teams is happening at a faster pace.

Josh is stirring up trouble 😳...i love it 😂

Josh, I have been saying the exact same things about Brett Yormark to my friends as well. People need to really check his background and educate themselves. I am also rooting for the Big 12.

Brett is the man. If you let him cook, you better watch out.

Where would CUSE go? We have to find somewhere suitable.

The only expansion the Big10 is interested in any time soon is when Notre Dame figures out that the writing is on the wall and they're going to have to join a conference in football or they're not going to be able to play a competitive enough schedule to make the college football playoff. And if the ACC is cooked by that point, they'll be in the Big10 very very shortly. The only caveat will be that they will probably bring another team with them to maintain an even # of teams AND so they can preserve all their traditional rivals within the conference...and if you're doing the math in your head, the only traditional ND rival that is currently not in the Big10 as of now is...Stanford. The thinking the last couple years is that ND is going to be forced to join a conference in football or there isn't going to be enough tv $ or a schedule out there for them to compete especially as these conferences grow and end up playing 9 or 10 league games and less and less non-con games. They've always banked on the ACC if it comes to that, like the COVID year. But the ACC may not be around. Could they tuck tail and go to the Big12? Yeah, but I doubt that will happen. I don't believe their pride, or $ would let them settle for the Big12 when they could get into the Big10 where all their rivals and a bigger slice of TV $ is - and, the key nobody talks about too, Marcus Freeman is a Big10 guy. And if they keep having winning seasons and recruiting well, and it looks like he may be content to stay there for quite some time, he is going to have a major voice inside their decision when it comes to joining a conference. Outside of taking ND and their +1 (which is 90% likely to be Stanford), the Big10 doesn't view itself as a life raft for any of these other schools. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the Big10 and SEC don't want to take any of the ACC teams. Would they merge with the Big12?

That would be krazy FSUy, NC,Mia In the Big 12 😢😢😂😂😂

Didn't the ACC learn from the Pac12 and how the Big12 handled Texas and Oklahoma

Miami has the resources to bolt. Elite football budget $74M up there with Bama UGA and Ohio State. 3rd best draw while UNC/UVA have half the TV viewership of Miami and half the football budget. To not have Miami as a top choice for the BiG paired with FSU isn’t good business. Clemson is fine, but not close to AAU, very Southern in culture. Nothing to contribute to the BIG research consortium. FSU Miami gets the whole state of FL for Fox right in the middle of SEC country.

The Big 10 doesn't have ESPN. Look at Oklahoma and Texas. These two schools have way more prestige than any ACC team. If they have go from the Big 12 to the SEC to stay in the ESPN ecosystem then so are the ACC teams. FSU has been scared of the SEC since Bobby Bowden. It's not the Big 10's job to save FSU or any ACC team.

Fsu especially (I fuckin hate) will DEF get interest from the SEC and Big10, they’ll make room for that school and it’s brand

Dude, research more before you post videos, media deals with the big 10 and sec get renegotiated when they invite new teams in.

How anyone can follow CFB in these terrible times is beyond me. The sport is just watered down NFL now. Its crap. Players dont care about schools they play for, why should I?

The ACC will survive, even if those teams leave. That's why they added Stanford, Cal and SMU. It'll be weaker, but it'll survive.

It's not "well enough" if you are losing so much economic ground to your peers and rivals.

Unfortunately the B10/SEC will never allow those brands to get to the B12. They may not want to expand, but you can bet your life savings on the fact they'd expand to keep the B12 from landing those high profile brands, because in the long run those 2 are aiming to be the only game in town. We literally saw this already with Oregon and Washington. Just when rumors started picking up about them possibly looking toward the B12 because the B10 wanted to stand pat, boom the B10 suddenly finds room for them. So while it may be in the best interest of CFB in the long run, its just not gonna happen.

The B1G wants tv in the south, they won’t let NC, Clemson and FSU go elsewhere. This video is 🐴💩

FSU and Clemson come on over to the SEC

Its. Just not really AAC call If espn resigns that contrct to go thiught 2036 i dont think anyone leaveing

Compliance, lawyers and CPAs have made the world more stale and lame. They ruin everything

I was surprised they weren't to first to dissolve. They were always weaker than the pac 12 to me.

Good by don't let the door hit you in the ass you will get more money but never win anything again

Attaboy Josh...what a sneaky crazy steal it would be to plunder Miami and UNC. The two make very good sense...one for Hoops and one for Football.

It's all about greed these days.

Really bad premise put forth here... do you really think FSU and Clemson would be taking up these lawsuits if they didn't already have a signal from at least one of the P2 conferences that theyd be accepted?

Those programs about to go down hill fast lmfao.

That would be disappointing

The ACC's goose was cooked when it chose (poorly) to expand into the Northeast, essentially throwing life preservers to meddling Big East football programs. How'd that work out for the conference's men's basketball prestige? When the dust settles, the most valuable brands will end up joining the Big Ten and SEC; those who missed the cut, while still offering strong markets, will join the Big 12. The leftovers will likely form a Group-of-Five caliber super-conference with the American, etc.

Listened to that song... super boring.

The shame of it all is that from 2013-18 The ACC was the most dominant football conference. 3 nattys, two Heismans, so many individual award winners. LSU had an all time great team in 19 and then covid happened and we had post covid and now in 2023 the PAC and Big 10 was on top. Now we have a sport that wants to act like the ACC never existed let alone dominated. What trash. And the ACC admin is trash, knowingly letting the most valuable conference members be setup for failure.

FSU headed to the Big Ten not Big 12

@LateKickwithJoshPate The $380M annual contract that the Big 12 signed was for 12 schools. The ESPN portion had automatic pro-rata provisions for up to 4 P5 schools. The Fox portion did not contractually stipulate support for pro-rata, but I think they agreed in the case of the 4 corners. In any case, $380M is not the correct value of the Big 12 contract for the current 16 schools. Assuming pro rata, that number is $505M.

FSU and Clemson joining the Big 12 would be a downgrade for both of them. They should stick out until the get a bid from SEC or Big 10

Considerring everything going on I would love to see 3 24teem conferences. Each with 4- 6 team regionaly relevent divisions. 5 divional games, 6 non divisional conference games, so tha every three years you play everybody in the conferences. 16 team play-off with12 divional/(regional) champs+4 teamwildcard playoff division for the four best non divional champ teams. The conference championship included in playof. Every game matters. Each conference negotiates pay for there conference and conference championship game tv contracts. Conferences which place more wild card teams get more money. This restores regional rivalries, increases relevant games, without increasing number of games played. This could help with nil, transfer portal, watchability of games, andstabalize the sport that we love, without removing the things that made it great, or overlyburdanning players eith too many games or segragating to many teams out of the big picture. With 3 conferences the mony should be good. The group of 5 would need there own playoff. L

As a longtime fan of the Big East, I find it utterly humorous and ironic that the conference most guilty of destroying the Old Big East by stealing Syracuse Pitt and BC away from their natural rivals faces the same ignominious fate has me laughing on the inside!!

Adding those teams in general would make the big 12 more valuable of course not to the level of the SEC and the Big Ten but without a doubt there will be 100 million added to the value of the Big 12 which would increase each team's overall payout of course not to the size of the top two conferences but I'm sure it would be a lot more than what each conference the ACC and Big 12 can expect to receive right now

Bye Josh, not happening.

No it’s not. Best basketball conference in the country, it won’t crumble strength in numbers that’s why they just added cal, smu, and Stanford

At least see if the ACC can get Maryland back, i work with the young man who has no memory of the Maryland Duke rivalry a maryland return would help a lot

Lots of ACC teams running scared too, NC State just dropped App State as an out of conference opponent for.....Virginia.

I love college football and basketball. All this stuff is over my head. I like my teams and will be watching but what I want is a sense of finality when the season starts. But that ain’t gonna happen for a while

This saddens me. And I'm complete SEC. It's hard to see all these changes leading to a good end result for the sport.

If they add any more commercials to the actual game, they might as well just put up stills of the play highlight before returning to the next commercial.

Please let Brett Yormark have a couple more years and the Big12 will be Elite!

You gave us no update instead just said what you’ve been saying the whole time about the ACC

I would think the B1G and Fox would love to have a southeast footprint.

Bret and the big 12 can't afford these teams .They are not important