Josh Pate On Kalen DeBoer's Future At Alabama (Late Kick Cut) 

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Look at it on paper: A playoff team just hired another playoff team’s head coach. A head coach with a 104-12 win/loss record. As a Tennessee fan, I recognize this as possibly the best hire they could have made in their situation. He’s gonna be really good

DeBoer has never had this level of talent to work with. Players love him. Bama will stay elite, no doubt.

Especially in the short term, I don’t understand why no one brings up the fact that you have Saban coaches players on a roster that didn’t have their memory wiped when Saban retired and you’re combining that with new winning philosophies and coaching from a coach who also maximized talent a year prior. It’s actually not out of the realm of possibilities that this could be the best Bama team in years.

If he makes the playoff regularly and wins one national championship, it will be a success.

He's off to a great start, I think he's going to surprise everybody with how good he's going to be

Agreed JP. Folks are gonna take shots at Bama...just because it's Bama. You know, you lose by 7 in overtime in the playoff, it's gonna be made out like you lost by 50 to a losing team. Just look at how the twitterheads made a big deal out of that 4th Qtr conditioning clip. To this day, I still don't understand how/why that went viral, outside a person wanting attention because Bama is in their head more than their own team. We'll most definitely see how this season goes for sure.

The part about the SEC not knowing about Kalen DeBoer is the key part of this conversation which is fascinating… I genuinely believe Coach DeBoer is one of those guys who loves a challenge, shutting up critics and (wait for it) Letting All Naysayers Know who he is. Roll Tide.

When Washington fired Jimmy Lake and the coaching search began, the fans wanted either the Iowa State coach or Baylor coach. And Jen Cohen the Ad went after them hard, but they turned her down. Chris Petersen told her to look at kalen DeBoer down at Fresno State. So she hired him and all he did was expose the rest of college football to what is considered a top 5 coach. Can Kalen DeBoer win big at Bama? Can a bear sh** in the woods? Football is football... to a genius it's how you end up with Kalen's win loss record. Keep questioning Josh. LOL

I think this season will be huge for recruiting going forward. If Alabama continues to win, recruits will feel like Kalen DeBoer was the right choice and they’ll want to play for him while continuing to keep the Alabama standard.

Did everyone not see the determination, the will, the grit on, for the most part, this same team last year. Sure we lost a couple of important pieces but the pieces behind them are going to fit in like they go there. They'll take a lump or two, they all do, but they'll live.

DeBoer will win at Alabama... he wins everywhere he goes, has a great track record.

As a Bama Fan, I say to all the naysayers wanting Kalen to fail what Mee Maw always told me, "Shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which hand fills up faster". RTR

I think there are going to be a lot of people who know what their foot tastes like come January. You have a bunch of 4-5 star players who have all been coached by Saban, who are now being introduced to new and proven concepts with an intense coach and staff who are quite possibly better than the overall Alabama staff was last year. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Bama makes a deep CFP run and is a threat to win the National Championship their first year out. To answer your question though, I say 10+ regular season wins, an offense that is regularly in the 40-50 point range, any loss has to be a close loss, and a top 10 recruiting class. If all that happens, it will prove to everyone that DeBoer is for real. However I think he will far exceed that.

Also, newsflash, following an elite head coach isn’t an impossible task. You can succeed doing so. Kirby followed Mark Richt who won ten games pretty consistently at a Georgia program that really never had great natty expectations. Ryan Day follows Urban Meyer and has lost 8 games since. Lincoln Riley followed Stoops and had many great season, playoffs made and two heismans. Les Miles followed Saban at LSU and won a natty and made another. Meyer followed Spurrier a few years later and brought Florida to new heights, without ever coaching in the SEC. Meyer followed Tressel after a year and took Ohio State to a natty. Just because you followed a great doesn’t doesn’t mean you can’t succeed. Saban success the past three seasons is not insurmountable. In fact, you can easily argue DeBoer himself has had more success the last two seasons that Saban has. Both 11-2 in 2022, 14-1 vs 12-2 in 2023 with KDB beating Texas in Nola and being up comfortably late in the fourth, and Saban losing by ten at home.

DeBoer is a born winner and recruiter we will be fine maybe not make the playoffs but we will possibly play in a new year's 6 bowl!

Nick Saban still has an office at Alabama and an open line to the coaching staff!! Bama's gonna be Bama!! ROLL DAM TIDE!!!!!

funny pair of stats about Bama I noticed in this video: they have their lowest win total in 17 years, and still the 5th best odds to win the CFP

Bama makes the natty, but will be an underdog to win it.

Success will always be measured at Alabama by level of competition for conference titles and the pursuit of National Championships. Year 1 success for Deboer is a playoff berth and a top 10 recruiting class. Courtney Morgan, Eron Hodges, and others will be instrumental in accomplishing this.

if we're talking year one for success or not I think a 10 win season is a big success. Alabama plays likely #1 UGA and likely top 15 LSU, Tennessee, Missouri, Oklahoma, and let's not forget about auburn. That would be going 4-2 against the potential top 15 and would very likely put alabama in to the playoff. 11-1 is overachieving, 12-0 and people will lose their minds. Recruiting wise, I think he'll need to regularly be in the top 10-15 range to be considered a success with a reprieve on year 1 (at least from me). Roll tide and wish him massive success!

If they can score more points than the other teams - I think they’ll win.

Go buckeyes...that said I think he's gonna do great. Give the man some time. I think your gonna be surprised. I like the guy.

It's going to be harder for DeBoer and any other SEC coach to win at scale Saban did for several reasons: 1- Addition of Texas and Oklahoma 2- Schools other than Bama are starting to recruit at elite Saban level or closing in, i.e. Georgia, Texas, etc., and Auburn just had its best recruiting in years with solid top 10 class. 3- Transfer portal and NIL, nuff said. 4- Facilities. Bama under Saban built up best facilities in nation, other SEC schools decided to pay up and have closed gap, catching up to Bama. IMO one big ace up sleeve Bama has always had under Saban is its outstanding graduation, APR rate, usually ranking in top 2 in SEC and top 3 or 4 nationally. I think this past year Bama was ranked number one in SEC. This aspect of program will always be a draw to many recruits and parents. But with NIL money, who knows now.

Love your insights. I truly believe Bama will make the playoffs and WILL NOT lost three games. Yes because I am a Bama, but also because we are loaded with talent. Replaced the ones who hit the road and are hungry. We are loaded for bear and are going hunting. Milroe worries me though.

The dude changing his mind has to be Brandon Walker 😂

His, staff is so much better. Than, coach Saban. His offensive is going to be a hit.

There is still a lot of talent and the guy is an underrated coach. I can't wait to see them cry!

BAMA is not going anywhere, DeBoer will take this talent/team to a higher level than most predict. I could see them in the final 4. Do you see all the trolling by other SEC teams? They're still scared. Roll Tide Roll.

Predicting DeBoer’s success has to happen in two phases: with and without Saban’s players. DeBoer has won everywhere he’s been with all different levels of talent, and has taken a lesser talented team to the national championship, beating a team Bama couldn’t to do it. He’s done so without ever having his roster filled with players he recruited, and he’s interiting the best roster in CFB. He’ll win and he’ll win a lot in the first 2-3 years. How well he does in that time, either 9-10 wins good or making a playoff run good, will determine the rest. Momentum will help his recruiting adjustment down the line, but DeBoer needs to at least overpreform this season to prove to elite recruits he makes Bama worth playing for without Saban. DeBoer hasn’t been the best recruiter, although his proof of concept hasn’t really been very evident up until this previous season. At the end of the day, you can be a good recruiter or a bad one, but one thing is a better sell to a player than anything else, and that’s winning games. I don’t believe Saban was just the best used-car salesmen ever, he told players they would win and make the leauge if they played for him and dammit he was right. DeBoer has to win to do that. Don’t think too hard about it, DeBeor is a great coach with a top-roster, he can absolutely compete with the best of them this year if all goes according to plan. If he does, whether he can channel that momentum to recruiting will be the bigger question.

People who think Alabama will take a step back paid no attention to the coaching hires at Alabama post Bear Bryant. None of those coaches were proven winners until they went out and got Nick Saban. Gene Stallings had a losing record as a HC prior to coaching at Alabama. DeBoer is an elite coach so him winning at Alabama is inevitable. He will get better players and more of them than he did at Washington. They have the best facilities in the country etc.

DeBoer already has proven that he can be a very good coach.....when in the right place at the right time. We don't know yet whether the chemistry will work well at Alabama. Watch DeBoer's intro speech when he arrived here, then go back and watch Saban's. Very different. Wishing him total success, But I'm not betting on it, one way or the other.

Of course. Any good coach has won big there. Even Gene Stallings who wasn’t good a coach prior won a championship at Alabama and almost repeated.

Saban didn’t coach in the South before LSU. Won a nattie. Can you recruit and develop elite talent? Can you create an environment of mental toughness?

Saban brought in Kiffin because he saw the writing on the wall. Any more questions on hiring outside the SEC?

The one (now) SEC team that knows Kalen DeBoer is 0-2 against him. 🤘⬇

He didn’t recruit at Washington do not sure if he can do it at Alabama

He will be just fine! Bama fans need to be patient. It will take 3 to 4 years before we truly know. I think he’s gonna shock the world in the first 2 years at Bama!!

Kalen Deboer is already 2-0 against Steve Sarkisian

Make the playoffs! ROLL TIDE!!! L.A.N.K.!!!

Yes

Under Saban since 2008 Alabama has lost more than 2 games in a season how many times?

I would say consistent play vice get up for One game a year.

Not anymore- since the ruling against the NCAA on NIL - no one needs connections or to l Yw anyone to recruit the SEC - all you need is a checkbook- players go to the highest bidder from now on

I think its funny that people will claim to know alot about football but will predict Deboer wont be successful after he took a team of mostly 3 stars to the national championship. Now you think Bama will have a 8 win season with 4 and 5 stars. 😂

I think Bama will be in the SEC champ game

has one of the best rosters in football, he better win.

It's not just Mack or Milroe at QB, Josh. Don't sleep on Ty Simpson or Dylan Lonergan in this QB battle. They didn't stay here to sit on the bench.

I think that “LANK” became a part of what UA football team is trying to prove at the right time to drive home what the team, along with CKD is trying/doing. New head coach? No problem! We are still out to “let all naysayers know” Roll🐘Tide. All day,every day…….

I believe that a successful season is winning against at least 2 upper SEC games and/or being very competitive min those games (one score loss). Everything else is gravy. Bama has the talent. I agree that the overall coaching staff is a step up (support staff, not HC)nover the last 3-4 years. I have the same feeling that I had before last season... Bama could win it all if they are laser focused or they could lose 3-4 games. I believe that in the long run... they will be fine. But they will be in Geofgias' shadow for a couple of years.

Bama won’t be the same but they’ll be fine. 10-2 this year

0:37 a.k.a. the Motley Fool strategy

As long as Saban is around to maintain the culture, Alabama will adjust and be ok. But Alabama is ONLY measured by Championships

A playoff team with tones of talent just hired a playoff coach with good talent.. come on yall. Alabama is 10plus wins for along time

To be honest i dont think he upgraded his staff. He got his original staff which left. Big difference. Short term kalen deboer struggles, long term kalen deboer doesn't exist.

Pretty simple honestly. All that has to happen is Jalen Milroe has to win the heisman and Bama has to win the national championship. Nothing crazy

I really believe they will beat Georgia and everyone’s perspective on Alabama will change.

Been a Bama fan for 20 years. I am highly doubtful. He's a northerner who has no reference to southern football. He has 2 years to take us to title game or get rid of him. He did well at Washington because there is no pressure. Bama is a different animal.

If we win 10 regular season games and maybe win the SEC Championship then I’m happy and I think we will be just fine

Alabama goes 4-2 in the first half of the season, then goes 6-0 because the DeBoer system starts to click with the players. Bama makes a serious run in the playoff, plays for the national title.

Success next season is beating Auburn, LSU and Tennessee. Oklahoma and Georgia wins would be great, but gotta whip those first three. Roll Tide.

The one argument you can make with this Alabama team is how defense will do? We know he can make a lot of offensive plays from his time in Washington. But can their defense make the plays necessary to help them win some games? That’s the big question for me

He needs to prove on the recruiting path in the SEC. He wasn’t recruiting amazingly at Washington and you can attribute that to a lesser prestige in program. He if can’t get it done in Alabama though that’s definitely worrisome.

Beating UGA at home would send a clear message...we all have that game circled. UGA is now the "Supposed" face of CFB...but no one but Josh gave us a shot in hell last year and we dominated that game. The score didn't reflect the domination. We beat UGA at home, and I will run to this page to watch the vid. You may need to make a 20 minute vid for that...and please include the faces of sad UGA fans...similar to the ones we saw in Atlanta last year...I love the way they pounded their chest when Saban retired...as if they somehow now are the top program. Last I checked Michigan won the natty and UGA played in the Vegan Cheese Bowl.

I mean, if he doesn't get the job done they'll find a coach who will 🤷‍♂️ I don't think being "from the South" is as big a deal as it used to be.

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He will win but I don't think the first year will be like normal Alabama football best case Deboer will go 10-2 worst case 8-4 nightmare case he goes 6-6, personally I think he will go 9-3 i can see them group a couple of games and i don't see them beating Georgia. in two year he will average 10-2 or 11-1 seasons without a doubt.

All I know is it is about time a true playoff is at hand. It is crazy some of the national championships some teams claim while other deserving teams get hosed. Case in point Bama claiming the 1941 national championship. They do realize just because a New York writer decided a two loss, third place team in the sec that year, ranked 20th in the final ap poll that it does not make it so. Talk sbout lack of integrity. College football has finally joined the rest of the sports world. The first true national champion will be crowned in 2024. I am more than psyched...

His goal is to coach in the NFL, so of course he'll be very successful.

DeBeor is welcome to OU’s special teams coach. They were a disaster last year. Have fun with that, Bama!

Why is everybody smarter than alabama coach I am sure he has coached more games than some of the people that comments

Hiring bill Obrien was sabans worst mistake by far.

How many years are you giving him.

People look at me like I am crazy when I say their toughest game will be auburn. Georgia will not have enough Intel, LSU has to many cracks , and Hugh Freeze will have almost an entire season of film and I will not sell that gentleman short. I disliked Auburn making a solid hire but they did

DeBoer works really hard - unlike my uncle Leo. And is really smart - Again, unlike my uncle Leo. Sorry uncle Leo, but you know your shortcomings.

Sure Alabama can win, as long as they open up the checkbook and buy the best players in this new unregulated pay for play professional football league that has been created with this ruling against the NCAA - the checkbook is what’s going to win championships in the future, recruiting doesn’t matter any more, having SEC ties doesn’t matter, it’s just about the bottom dollar. if you can buy the best players in a given year you can win a national championship - that’s all that really matters from here on out.

SEC Championship Contenders

Make the play off and win the first game.

I’m a “always won” bama fan. But I think we can get a 8 win season. This year will be “bad” if it’s 6 wins. But I really wish bama fans would give him time. I pray the students there feel disrespected. And I promise it’s gone be funnnnnnyyyyy when we end up top 4…… oh shit I mean twelve 👀 oh yeah…. THE TIDE IS RISING BABAYYYYY

My minimum for DeBoer, first season? Beat Tennessee and Auburn and make the 12 team playoff.

Debore's UW team would not have been 13-0 in the SEC last year i don't think. He won several close games that would have been losses in the SEC. He's getting ready for a different kind of grind. He may do well i admit but chances are high he is no Saban. Nobody is. Going to be interesting.

Deboer did beat Texas

Bama is in rhe rear view mirror. Georgia is what's ahead.

Josh is pretty good..except when he's slurping bama😮

How many 2 loss seasons will DeBoer have?

It all depends on what you describe as winning means. Will Bama have a winning schedule yes. Bama go to the national championship. Probably not.

It’s all about recruiting. Can the dude bring in top players? We shall see

You also thought Scott Frost would be successful at Nebraska … point being … We’ll See. Long way to go.

Na Josh I think you’re trying to play damage control. They going 8-4 this year. You don’t lose your coach and players and do not have a few (1-3) struggle years. Anyone else you’d be saying the same thing

I Define a successful season as........playoffs?????

Penix - seems to me - largely - enabled him the success he had at W ? -- His QB play is a rare event in CFB and is not likely repeated many seasons @ Bama !?! -- -- -- So - in my mind it simply remains to be seen - if - he can provide enough W's to keep the fan base happy ?!? 🤔 Georgia is 100% still there ! Texas is ever so close to being 'back' ? LSU has talent. OU will be showing up eventually ? ........and so it goes. - - - BAMA w/o Saban = ???

Yes. As much as Saban? No.

I think he will be successful, but will he be successful enough for that fan base

Id be totally ok with 2 losses, as long as they are not of the embarrassing fashion. I understand hes got to be given time to get thisng his way and replace the exodus of players that happened bc of the NIL and the retirement.

Bama will be down for a while. Probably not Tennessee or Florida years and years down, more like a year like Ole Miss or Missouri had last year. I'll take that for now. The insane number 1 recruiting class every year and NC every other year was not going to go on forever.

Remember this comment he will win a national championship in his first year

He'll be okay with two losses

Hopefully not because it adds more drama lol

Year 1 Success is win 10 and one playoff game. That’s his B+ / A- year.

Unless Deboer learns to eat and enjoy grits he will not make it in Alabama. Period.