Josh Pate On Penn State's Whiteout Dilemma (Late Kick Cut) 

Change it to all blue and make it a new tradition of "Once in a Blue Noon". That would give them two 13th man games a year, and it maintains the Whiteout as the night game tradition.

Can we as fans, and universities (Texas and OU specifically) boycott big noon kickoff, or at least set parameters to what games can/can't be at noon for the sake of the sport? Penn State white out games should be off the table.

I'm not sure OSU scoring less than their average score has anything to do with the whiteout. I think it has more to do with the fact that Penn State is one of their toughest opponents.

As an Ohio State fan, I would love for them to keep the white out versus Minnesota.

As a Penn State student, my opinion is this: The white out tradition is not just about the game. Part of the fun is tailgating all day for the game. Last year, the Michigan game was at noon, and the stadium was so loud the we caused them to false start on the first play of the game yet again. The Ohio State game will be loud regardless because of how big of a game it is, so we don’t need to worry about making it a whiteout. Make it an all blue game or the stripe game and we will be loud as usual.

Penn state season ticketholder, I'm fine with it. This was cutting off a limb to save the body. If Fox gets a noon white out this year, they'll get it next year against Michigan and white out under the lights cease to exist. This is the best chance to get the big ten to move up the marquee matchup at beaver stadium toward end of September so fox/ESPN/whoever doesn't have a world series to compete with at night. Also, Penn states not equipped with its current ticketing and parking system to pack the stadium by noon start time for OSU...Minnesota will play better on national media for us

Option 3: both teams agree to just meet up at 8pm that day and play football. Let fox lose their mind a little. (A Michigan fan who drove 9 hours and attended the 2019 Whiteout Game and went through culture shock doing it.)

I love this take and as a current Penn State student I’ll be a junior in August I wish I could’ve been in your studio having this conversation with you because as a Broadcast/sports journalism major here in Happy Valley personally I think the white out game has to be at night just because of traditions that go on also earlier in the day a noon kick off will just throw that completely off and I am OK with doing it against Minnesota because it’ll kind of be a revenge game for 2019 and when they did that stupid “Maroon bowl” against us and there is still gonna be an insane atmosphere for the Ohio State game because were choosing to do our “stripe out” as that game so trust me nothing is lost the energy will still be causing earthquakes 👌😜!

A whiteout at noon, and a whiteout at night are two *COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS*

Big noon kickoff is the worst thing to happen to college football

Everybody scores less than their average regardless of the whiteout. Penn State always has one of the best defenses in the country.

Remember in 2007, the Whiteout game was against Notre Dame, yet everyone wore white to the Ohio State game that season. Same thing could happen here.

Same thing happened last year when Fox took the Michigan and put it at noon. Usually the whiteout games are reserved when Michigan or Ohio State comes to Beaver Stadium.

Though OSU not being the White Out game disappoints me as a Penn State alum, I think there's a nice storyline here that could play out and make the Minnesota matchup intriguing. If the teams can navigate their toughest tests before the Whiteout (@Purdue for PSU, @MSU for Minnesota), they can both come in 5-1 or better. This would set up a likely top 25 matchup and a perfect revenge game for PSU - ala their close 2019 loss in Minneapolis that cost PSU a potential playoff spot.

I am a Buckeye fan and beating them in a "White Out" is great for OSU. But Penn St will have lot's of recruits there that they need to sign and a loss will look bad.

22 years old, been to every single white out game since they started. They are better, more fun, more effective, etc at night.

It is a stripe out that game. So wear according to your ticket. But I will say the stripe out is our daytime version of the white out. Because we used the stripe out before during a night game and it's harder to see the blue sections near the top. But white always stands out even in the highest rows. I think giving them a stripe out on a noon kick off is the better choice because let me tell you that the energy that usually gets put into the white out by the fans will just be put into the stripe out this year

I would have done it against MSU rather than Minnesota.

This makes sense. Last year they introduced the Helmet Stripe design, and they used it against Michigan and that was a Noon game. It'll look like a Whiteout on TV when they play Ohio State. Plus Minnesota is usually a Top 25 team that according to some analysts that I've chatted with nationally are the favorite to win the BIG10 West. Plus the last time the 2 teams played. The Gophers ended PSU's College Football Playoff hopes. Remember, who thought the Indiana game last year would be a night game when Penn State had a massive advantage. This may not be against Ohio State, but this possibly could be a BIG10 Championship Preview.

Show respect to Minnesota and do the white out. It's an experience for both teams for both fans.

I’m a Clemson fan that lives in Pa. I’ve been to a whiteout during a day game against Michigan. It is the coolest and most electric atmosphere in college football (day or night). As a Tiger fan it still gave be chills entering the Beaver Stadium. I’d Whiteout against Ohio State. Stripe out is pretty cool too, why not strip out vs Minnesota or is that reserved for a different opponent?

During the Michigan white out in the 2019 season the opening drive where Michigan had a 3 and out was because of the stands you couldn’t hear yourself scream it was so loud nothing like it

As a Penn State fan I don’t like a White Out game 7 days before a huge Noon game. They can be draining, however I also think every game should have White Out atmosphere.

My first whiteout as a Penn State student was the 2015 game against #14 Michigan. It was a lot of fun, but it was a noon game so the atmosphere didn't fully live up to the hype. Then I went to the 2016 game where we upset #2 Ohio State and it was the most electric sporting event I've ever been to. I think Whiteout has to be at night, so I'm fine with them making Minnesota the Whiteout, but man I wish OSU was a night game. Regardless, I think we'll get up for the Buckeyes either way, it's just less daunting during the daytime

Does ABC have any power to move this to their primetime night spot if say both are undefeated or even top 10 going into this game?

I wonder what the pre snaps penalties are for opponents during a white out game

Josh is 100% correct. As a Georgia Bulldog, we would have likely lost to Notre Dame in 2019 without our fans, t was also our fans that assisted us with dominating Arkansas in 2021. Fans also were a huge help in 2021 UK game. I’m 100% a fan of the whiteout and agree, it’s gotta be for Ohio state.

Since Josh brought up the Buckeyes, it took Herculean individual performances from future NFL stars Sam Hubbard, Joey Bosa, and not NFL caliber but legendary QB JT Barrett.

Good question from fellow Nashuan I’m sure Ohio state had a say in this

I’ve been to almost every white out since they started, and I think at this point Penn State needs to leave it how it is. They need to focus on being able to beat teams with their play on the field, and then add in the 12th man on top. Like Josh mentions, the white out is a weapon, however the rivalries alone are enough to rile up the ol faithful alumni.

If the Ohio State game was a 3:30 kick there wouldn’t be any hesitation. However, even if all 110k showed up on time, the noon whiteout would look wrong. You need under the lights (at least somewhat). Has there been a noon white out? I recall some afternoon kicks whiteouts(I think ND was at like 5:30).

I think this year will be a wash anyway. James Franklin is gonna be on cruise control with that new contract of his. We'll be lucky to win 9

A white out for a noon game wouldn’t have the same impact it does at night.

I'm a Buckeye fan and love the whiteout

Should've made the Mich. St game the whiteout game.

Imho, white out games HAVE to be at night. You need the lights to really get the full effect visually. Daylight games won't pop that way.🤷‍♂️

At noon, or at night, it will the highest rated game on TV that weekend.

Brilliant

How about a Navy Blue out night ?!?

We should write a strongly worded letter to change it

Geez !!!

That was like 50K worth of fireworks

Has to be a night game. no matter what

stat and info: non white out HOME games, same stat please.

2 non consecutive big night games at most should be the max

I broke the #1 cardial rule now I'm sitting here crying josh😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Has to be a night game no matter what

I hope they choose the Minnesota game.

This says a lot about penn state. Our biggest game of the year isn’t even a good enough game to put Ohio state on prime time. It’s a joke that Minnesota is going to be played as the whiteout. Even if we get one win an Ohio state night whiteout it the biggest possible

I don't think the fans make a hint of a difference in deciding. It's all about the TV money.

There needs to be an override that you (universities) can take and tell Fox to screw the Noon Kickoff

The white shower caps is next level weird.

So… what if they just had 2 white out games??

1:56 looks like the wolverines have been the biggest victims of white out games

As someone who has 0 stake in PSU football. I think its silly to force yourself out of one of the greatest CFB traditions just to get slapped by Ohio State. I would rather keep tradition, cream Minnesota, and enjoy the night rather than get everyone all hyped for a noon kickoff to lose by 20.

Who cares, they lose just as many white out games as they win!

Agreed only do it for big games

Why not at least make it Michigan state at night if they can’t get osu? Not that I’m complaining as a Spartan.

Night game IMO. It doesn't matter how big a noon matchup is. It always feels like a noon matchup. 3:30 PM EST or later for a white-out kick-off time works best. I would prefer 7 PM, but as long as the game finishes at night, it will be dope.

that "weapon" sure back fired on them last year. it doesn't matter what time of day it is. that shit pumps everybody up

I like that our non rival takes the game serious. James Franklin has hung an L on our Buckeyes and every game is a street fight. Harbaugh only now has a win. With a lot of noncompetitive games. And their smugness returned with one win.

I would like to see them use the MSU game over the Minnesota game. I think if not against OSU then that MSU game is bigger then the Minnesota game

What's Penn st record in whiteout games?......

Forget opponent ppg --- the number that matters is Penn State's very unimpressive 6-5 record in White Outs

I’m not expecting a win because I was at the same Auburn game last year, but having the fans getting upset and disenchanted by this could be great for Minnesota. Having that game sandwiched between @Michigan and OSU bodes well for the Gophers as well. Getting beat up the previous week and looking ahead to next week. I know Penn State fans are disappointed and I hope the media, the fans, the players, and the staff continue to sleep on my Gophers. 🚣🏼‍♂️〽️🐿 Thanks for the favor Josh!

Penn State, historically and normally, has a better than average defense, usually very good. I would expect any team playing Penn State at any time to score less than their average. Toss out your lazy stat Josh and tell us if Penn State holds opponents farther below their scoring average in white out games than they do in other games. I bet they do just because of the atmosphere, but is it significantly better?

Maybe a white out game during the day won't have the same juice for Penn as at night.

Isn't there a trophy with Minnesota also maybe the Ohio noon kick is a traffic thing.

Every game can be a white out no matter time of kickoff. Just tell everyone to wear white but...............a TRUE WHITEOUT has to be a night game. If they (FOX/NCAA) decided to make the OSU game a noon kickoff. I can rest assure you the B1G and OSU peeps have a huge hand in this decision. I'd be willing to say MONEY exchanged hands illegally. Especially when it comes to OSU. I think it's awesome that another B1G team gets to experience the greatest show in college football or even NFL. If you've never been to a WHITEOUT you don't know what you're missing. The atmosphere is crazy and the adrenaline it provides the fans and especially the players (even the opponents) hours before the game even kickoffs can't be measured. My best friend who hails from Corvallis, OR and is an Oregon State fan was so excited when I asked him if he'd like to come to the WHITEOUT GAME against Michigan a couple years ago. He couldn't say YES fast enough. When we arrived in State College that day you could already feel the goosebumps coming because you knew what to expect that night. As we pulled into the parking lot he was in shock. He couldn't believe how one night game could have such an effect on over 100,000 fans. Once we began our descent on Beaver Stadium as kickoff was approaching, I myself being a PENN STATE fan knew it was going to be another special night. He couldn't take it all in fast enough but once we got to our seats he couldn't believe the scene he was viewing. The game wasn't going to kickoff for another hour but the fans were already rocking the house. He commented, it's so loud right now I can't hear much of anything except the fans going nuts. When everyone was inside that was coming to the game filled up the stadium. My friend looked at me and said, thanks for inviting me to what is no doubt the best show in college football and it was justing getting started. So, that night you would of thought he was always a Penn State fan because he was roaring and chanting with all of us. My answer is YES, our WHITEOUT HAS TO BE A NIGHT GAME. It's tradition and you don't mess with tradition. Just like our uniforms and helmet. WE ARE PENN STATE for many reasons and these are two of them.

I swear I thought the dilemma you were going to say was whether or not it was socially and politically acceptable anymore. I'm guessing it's coming.

You can maybe do a 4pm whiteout, but in no way can you put the whiteout at noon. Fox should just get over themselves and do the right thing.

People keep acting like MN is a chump SMH. Watch Goldie goes in there and beats them AGAIN.

How is Ohio State NOT the white out game? No disrespect or shot at Minnesota. I'm not a fan of Penn State, but I always thought from my understanding that the white out game was for the biggest home game of the year?! I mean UGA did a "red out" game vs Arkansas last year that game was at noon and look how it turned out. I think the Ohio State game should be the white out game REGARDLESS of kick off time.

As long as Franklin is the coach....it wont matter much anyways.

A "white out" daytime with very light gray skies is not as impressive or perhaps as intimidating. --- So -TV should not be allowed to impose it's will on a night white out for OSU every other year ! - That should be a PS call - not TV !!! - These networks need to adapt some ?

Leave it to the networks to fuck it up!! Why is such a great match up played at 12:00 pm instead of prime time?? Are they trying to protect Ohio state?? 👎🏻

They should just make it a black out

Even if they have it on minnisota, why can’t they do an unplanned one, where you buy your own white Pom Pom and everyone dressed in white, even if it’s not the event

Make vs Minni a blue n white stripe out and vs Ohio St the White Out! JMO! A white out must be for PSU toughest Oppenent. It's a weapon that's kept Oppenent under thier average score. That's a solid plus ➕️ for Penn St

How about not letting TV networks dictate your schedule. Let them televise what's available from the schedule the schools have selected. The love of money is the root of all evil.

A white out game for any of the home games besides OSU is a waste. I am not a PSU fan but I would think you save that for a night game vs a major threat where you need that extra umph to help the team when it gets tight. They look to be favored in every other home game except OSU.

Fox just had to ruin it huh

This is a BS move by fox. It feels like fox doesn't want tOSU to face the whiteout since PSU is one of their biggest games after ND and before UM. Like, we want tOSU to preform at their best, not against PSU's best kind of BS I would expect from fox, which has just been trash recently. More so with how their contract shows so often with Klatt recently.

The solution is simple. Build a domed stadium. It is always night in a domed stadium. Easy peesy. All you need is money and lots of it. Vaughn 🐯

Why does he pronounce it like that

As a Gopher fan... I want the white out game! Bring it Penn State. The Governor's Victory Bell is staying in Minneapolis. Ski U Mah!

GO GOPHERS!!!

If you don't believe the White Out has an effect all I have to show you is one clip, Michigan v. Penn State first snap 2019

FOX ruining all the major cfb games

Fox could make that game a prime time game and feature it as a Saturday night special like CBS does with Bama-LSU

Well yes it might slow OSU down but thats it. Ohio st is 3-1 since 2012 in White Out Game. So there's that!! O-H!!!!

Have 2 white out games. DUH!!!!!!!!!!

white out the buckeyes, day or night

They wanted to make the white in a game they can win pretty simple

A) The White Out HAS to be at night. The stripe out and helmet stripe could be during the day B) The last time we played Minnesota we went up there undefeated and lost. All I'm saying is if the Nittany Lion doesnt come out rowing a boat, Im done C) If Sean Clifford is still starting by that time of the season it wont really matter who the White Outs against

you can have your white out game all you want....your not gonna beat "THE"

NOON KICKOFFS SUCK. Josh your love of noon kickoffs is the biggest flaw you have. It’s a crime

Nobody wants to see a noon football game college needs 330 or night kickoff

Stupid Fox just make it a night game

It’s whatever penn state is irrelevant. Georgia should get a night game every week.