@@ellenderfeigling1771there are combos without the xyz 5 now i think because you can instead go for the link 3. Not fixing the problem when the link gets negated though
Definitely. Right now, Madolche gets detrimentally hit by every single handtrap in the game. Verns can help them extend right now, but for every Vern that gets hit by the slew of monster negates and handtraps is a -2. And Madolche runs a minimum of 5 Garnets (6 if you run Ticket, 7 if the new trap card). What Madolche needs is a monster that can SS from the hand or GY without needing to modulate the GY and some way to combat Quick effects against an opponent's established board when going 2nd. In all honestly, a Poplar or Circular type of effect would go a long way, even though I know that it's being overdone, it would single handedly fix every single issue the deck runs into now. The Madolche established endboard is pretty good already because Madolches are not meant to disrupt your opponent's turn, but rather make them impossible to clear out so the Madolche followup on Turn 3 either wins the game OR grants so much card advantage that the opponent thinks we were Sky Strikers activating Engage 3 times. The new support makes it more traditionally disruptions so your opponent can't play the game at all which is really cool. But we need 1 more main deck monster that can get onto the field to at least make Teacher, Tiara, or the new Link 3.
@@kenja0685 I agree with just about everything you said. Madolche is a weird deck where it struggles playing through any interaction, but then also doesn't end on a super great endboard even uninterrupted... but then if you get to turn 3 intact, you can run over just about anything. I have an old replay saved on MD of me summoning triple Tiaramisu to clear my opponent out, and I have had other matches where I could've dropped Tiaramisu 4 or even 5 times if I'd needed to, just because Madolches' gimmick inherently recycles your resources. They are VERY resilient once set up, it's just difficult to get set up. These new support cards are fantastic and I do think, depending on other staples and the shape of the meta, there's a chance these get Madolche to a position to top a big event again. But if Madolche is ever going to become a true rogue contender or better, they need more main deck extenders/starters to help them play through handtraps. I had coincidentally been making Madolche custom cards just for fun this week, and a Poplar-style card was exactly what I thought they needed. I also think they'd like to have a monster than can just special itself from the hand for a minimum requirement, i.e. Traptrix Arachnocampa.
The new trap summons the teacher, then is sent to the GY so you can immediately activate her effect to shuffle two into the deck (to either recycle up to two handtraps or to disrupt the opponent's GY), it's a one of.
Madolche just needs extenders imo. They brick too way easy once they get hit with a handtrap. But this new support dose help with playing around a Maxx C.
mageline is i think now officialy the strongest normal summon in all of yugioh (that isn't the started to a super inconsistent brick pile of cards, aka everything that armageddon knight ever is in). on her own is that double spin, mudora, hot red, compulse and infinite monsters to beat through. and normally you should be able to full combo now through any 1 hand trap that isn't droll or nib. you also now play 3 messengelato as you do need to activate that effect 5 times in a turn and thanks to venusylph and the link 3 being beast can you even trigger a drawn one.
The Rank 5 is very strong, but it being _only_ on your opponents turn makes it awkward. The link 3 is OK, but also a bit awkward. The trap is a bit weird, it's not terrible but I would play 2 promenade right now and I don't think I'd replace one of them for this. It's at least an option for if you want two trap interruptions on your opponents turn in exchange for being weaker t3. The real issue here is that this doesn't really help you get started through interruption, which is what the deck struggles with. Vernusylphs of course help a lot but burn through your hand _very_ quickly, and one ash/imperm on peting makes your combo t1 much worse. Not to mention that none of this helps you play through Nibiru :(
Agree. These cards are good and needed. But the one madolche need the most (aside fraise as end bosrd pcs) still not here. They need more strong main deck monster. Misc like effect looks good if they print it.
I mean the r5 being only opponent's turn doesn't mean anything because if you actually get to turn 3 (where the r5 not being able to be used on your turn matters) you win the game since your deck generates infinite value and can rebuild the board in a simplified gamestate.
@invertbrid yes obviously. Where did I say otherwise? The original poster was complaining about the card not being during either player's turn which straight up does not matter until turn 3 at which point you just make another Tiaramisu anyway.
@@amethonys2798 if your opponent somehow ends on nothing, sure. I find that a bit optimistic, often times you'll be staring at a board that'll clear what you're trying to set up before you get to tiara or that can just negate her effect.
Madolche has two big issues. 1) The lack of an end board and 2) handtraps utterly destroy the deck. An imperm or ash on petting can stall you out if you have no Ns in hand, or if they hit you once you've made Chocolat you're also likely going to stall out at that point. So while this massively helps the endboard situation, it doesn't at all help with the inability to play through handtraps. Nibiru has always been a huge issue for the deck too, and with Baronne gone, if people start running Nib more, then Madolche's handtrap issue has only gotten worse.
Hello, Madolche player here, I will say a bump to endboard strength is a very welcome addition but our top priority was wishing for ways to play past very handtrap heavy decks.
POGGGGGGGGGG NEW MADOLCHE!!! HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET BUT POOOOOGGGGG. EDIT: Okay now that I've seen the video, I think this support is great. The new XYZ is the kind of effect everyone has been thinking Madolche should have for years, and the Link monster is literally *exactly* what I wanted to give them in some custom cards I was making for fun. A Beast link monster fixes a ton of Messengelato lines, and this one in particular is pretty strong. It's basically free. Madolche Desserts is a good trap imo, but I don't know how good. It actually can combo with Madolche Promenade to summon an XYZ monster and attach material to it in one go, but is that something you'll reasonably be able to do? Many Madolche players have experimented with Madolche Nights as a secondary trap for when you have a spare search (and found it bad), but I could see Desserts taking that slot and making it work. The new Link monster searching a Spell/Trap could make running more backrow viable. It's a great wave of support, but ultimately Madolches still need another main deck starter/extender. A Poplar effect or perhaps a Madolche version of Traptrix Arachnocampa with an on-summon effect are what the deck really needs to catapult itself into viability. I am saddened to see the Link monster locking you into Madolche even further than Pettingcessoeur, as being locked into their own archetype relatively early into many combos is another huge weakness of Madolche. Pettingcessoeur is completely broken, so I understand restricting that card, but I was hoping to see more generalized Madolche cards instead of more locks. Still excited to play them though. This is my favorite deck in the game.
As a Madolche player, I can’t wait to use these cards. Madolche always had a really mediocre endboard, so these should definitely help. The Rank 5 and Trap allow for more interaction on the endboard. Notably, the Trap can bring out Teacher for GY interruption, and removing two cards with one of the strongest removal types in the game is crazy! The Link 3 is a 1 stop shop combo for Messengelato, but can search for anything. It’s pretty cool to add to the combo line, can use any Verns currently on field, and can be Linked back into Sistart for the protection. All the deck needs now is one or two starter/extender type card(s) for the main deck. As much as the Verns are cool, I don’t want to rely on them. A way to fight handtraps (especially in the current meta) would be fantastic. Not really worried about the Link 3 locking you, since that’s only for the second effect, and I only see you activating it close to the end of your combo anyhow. Link 3 -> Messengelato -> Link 2, end turn.
I would literally come back to yugioh just to play madolche or qliphort I remember I went to ysc Dallas twice one I took madolche and the other time qliphort Best day of yugioh in my life
I wish the trap would attach itself right away if you summon an XYZ from the extra deck, so you could potentially have 2 Tiara Fraise interactions during the opponent's turn...
Kinda annoying that people point out the problem with the deck not being able to extend very well, then some goes: "vernusylph". Ppl, we are talking madolche, not vernu.
these cards are good but doesnt fix the fundamental problems of the deck. you need to run at least 2 bricks also you have no good extenders so you die to any interruption.
Not even close to what Dolche needs, the cards are good really good, but the issue for Dolche its that they only extenders they can play are the Vern cards, they BADLY need in archetype extenders cause they get lock into Dolche monsters very early
the thing i was really hoping for (other than a good maindeck consistency card) was an xyz or link whos name became Puddingcess on the field so the secondary effects of some of the traps could activate, sucks that some really cool traps are just bad because why would you want Puddingcess in your end board
They are good, but by themselves, still not make madolche tier 1, still rogue imo. They need some great maindeck monster or a way to play sround opp handtraps more. Maybe misc like effects The new xyz and links are great tho.
The support is great and helps us combo through handtraps. The link 3 in particular helps us alot as we can use Vernusylphs as extenders and everything will contribute to making the link 3. Plus, we have Glassoflue to help us against Nibiru.
@@panko2848 Honestly with this new support + Vernusylphs we dont need Puddingcess anymore. The only thing that hard required us to use Puddingcess was Choco a late mode; which we needed to reach our cieling... but now we dont. A good 2 card combo can net us everything we play without summoning Choco a late mode at all. We even have early Glassoflue to help us against Nibiru. Pre support we needed to run Puddingcess to grab everything, but Puddingcess herself is a brick. So thats already a great consistency boost. Also both Desserts and Premonade dont require Puddingcess, they just need any Madolche monster, so id run those.
XYZ is good, but there's no reason for the Link to be a 3 or for the trap to be locked to one effect per turn. You could've made the former a Link 1 and latter use both effects same turn for quick effect XYZ with a guaranteed material. Madolche still wouldn't be anything amazing. It's just weird overbalancing for an archetype so xenophobic that there's no reason to not hand it a slew of crazy cards.
Link 1 would have been busted but I think a Link 2 is fair. (Even though they can dedicate the resources for the link 3 as is) Would have loved to see Desserts have "each effect OPT" on it though, would have been a nice interaction.
It's crazy that people complain about any sort of "meh" link 1 yet beg for a turbo busted one that searches literally any card in their archetype when even specialized field spell searchers are insane.
@@amethonys2798 Because the "mid" ones you're bringing up are generic. They're crazy because of their sheer versatility in any deck and ability to enable crazy plays when that versatility is taken advantage of. In-archetype Link 1s don't do that and their power is ultimately limited by the power of the archetype as a whole, especially if the archetype is hella xenophobic. In madolche's case a Link 1 likely still wouldn't make it a high-tier deck. Basically your post is rooted in ignoring context and then getting mad about a strawman.
@@DGrayEXEvery link 1 searcher outside of technically striker dragon have only been used in their respective decks and most of them are garbage design. That's not to mention these only grab field spells. So you want a link 1 that grabs anything in the deck? Lmao. Link 1s in general have been proven to be bad design even without search effects. Good in 80% of cases yes, but still bad design. I agree the link 3 could've been a lower link counter (2) but it's so tiring seeing everyone just be like "well why not just make it a link 1 that does literally everything".
2 traps that madolche only have that are good. Promenade and Nights. Teabreak was garbage whenthey designed and they know it as the first counter trap, it would of been good if it shuffled the card it negates to the deck. Palooza use to be good and no one plays it. Lessons is none playable as well even if it gives madolche on the field a permanent 800 atk/def buff. Waltz no one wanted a diabetes version of cyber summon blaster cheese for battlephase that too slow. Madolche need a actual good trap that is a counter trap yet konami wont make one as if they would break the game.
