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Joule-Thompson Cryocooler 

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Big thanks to @Exotic_Chem_Lab chem lab for sharing his experience to help make this project happen
In this video I'm going to examine the performance of a homemade cryocooler using the joule-thompson effect. A joule-thompson type device was the first method that was used to liquify nitrogen on an industrial scale, but it was very inefficient. Using nitrogen at pressures of 200-300 bar, it would drop the temperature through a regenerative heat exchanger until it reached a low enough temperature that some of the nitrogen would condense to liquid when it expanded through a flow restriction. This process was very inefficient, usually less than 1% of input power went into actually cooling and condensing the nitrogen.
I'm going to be taking a slightly different approach that's a sort of half-way between a joule-thompson device and a vapor compression system. Instead of using air or pure nitrogen as a working fluid, I'm going to use a mixture of hydrocarbon gases (propane, ethylene, and methane), which have dramatically higher joule-thompson coefficients. Unlike a traditional joule-thompson system, this type operates in a closed-loop. Typical low side temperatures get down to -160C to -170C, which is enough to liquify air or pure nitrogen if it's pressurized to 10-20 bar inside the cold end, which is trivial to do.
Higher boiling gases will condense as the temperature of the cold head is reduced and cease to contribute to the joule-thompson cooling, but still make a major contribution to heat transfer when they evaporate in the regenerative heat exchanger.
I built this system using the compressor and condenser coil from a 12K BTU portable AC unit (meaning the compressor pulls around 900W loaded). The oil separator is a temprite 900 series, and the heat exchanger consists of 30 ft (9m) of two 3/16" tubes for the high pressure side and a single 5/8" tube for the low pressure return line.
I only reached -88C in this video, because a defective oil separator was causing oil to overflow into my heat exchanger and freeze at such low temperatures, resulting in clogs in the capillary tube. The heat exchanger also wasn't properly insulated or pre-cooled in this video. With those changes, reaching -150 to -160C should be relatively easy with the correct gas composition.
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@HyperspacePirate
@HyperspacePirate 11 месяцев назад
So apparently its "Joule-Thomson", not "ThomPson" with the P, but since William Thomson has been dead for over 100 years, I'm gonna keep spelling his name with a "P" cause he can't call me out.
@wombleofwimbledon5442
@wombleofwimbledon5442 11 месяцев назад
Tintin had a couple of bros named Thomson and Thompson.
@user-yb5cn3np5q
@user-yb5cn3np5q 11 месяцев назад
In some parts of the world it's even Joule-Kelvin, because nobody cares Thomson was only a "baron of Kelvin", and Kelvin is something like a river.
@Nobe_Oddy
@Nobe_Oddy 11 месяцев назад
I wish I could put memes in my comments because I want to post a meme of a guy with a SUPER HUGE BRAIN and an arrow pointing at him with the word YOU at the other end ... YOU = BIG BRAINS!! :D
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 11 месяцев назад
I work in this field with this exact (and I mean exact) same system, but on the 100MW compressor scale. People say the P very often. If you want to be cool, just call it JT valve all the time.
@CatboyChemicalSociety
@CatboyChemicalSociety 11 месяцев назад
imma just call it the Joule Tommy effect
@KingJellyfishII
@KingJellyfishII 11 месяцев назад
This is easily my favourite series on youtube. The only time I drop everything to watch something
@symply_ajay
@symply_ajay 11 месяцев назад
Same
@pmbdk
@pmbdk 11 месяцев назад
Same. I wish i could give multiple likes
@xmysef4920
@xmysef4920 11 месяцев назад
Same. Shame this dude doesn’t get more attention
@KingJellyfishII
@KingJellyfishII 11 месяцев назад
@@TheGreyLineMatters I know, I probably watch most of them that are about topics I'm interested in. I just have a strange love for cryocoolers
@lewisheard1882
@lewisheard1882 11 месяцев назад
@@TheGreyLineMattersweird.
@klausnielsen1537
@klausnielsen1537 11 месяцев назад
Having worked with refrigeration for some twenty years I love this. You are the single most radical mad scientist in this field bar none. Your understanding of the cooling processes and the mechanical and practical equipment design should be taught in schools and we would all be better off. The description of efficiency relating to economy in a few sentences are coming out as an aside but sum up how you make a business case. I love what you do and how you share it. Mad respect!!
@waltonchan3931
@waltonchan3931 11 месяцев назад
Love the R&D in this series, and learning a ton about hobby cryogenics!
@gooball2005
@gooball2005 11 месяцев назад
I get so excited whenever I see an upload from you! This whole cryocooler series has been fascinating from the getgo.
@johndavid360
@johndavid360 11 месяцев назад
Right!?
@teresashinkansen9402
@teresashinkansen9402 11 месяцев назад
Indeed! i rarely get this feeling from youtubers but this is a pretty good series.
@xmysef4920
@xmysef4920 11 месяцев назад
Same! Wish he got more attention
@Nelo390
@Nelo390 11 месяцев назад
WORLD. OF. GOOOBBSSSS
@FreejackVesa
@FreejackVesa 11 месяцев назад
"I installed this tap in my natural gas line..." love it
@Ingineerix
@Ingineerix 11 месяцев назад
Suggestion: add a sight glass plumbed at the correct level in parallel with the oil separator so you can keep an eye on the oil level. Also, why not use an adjustable needle valve for your expansion valve instead of swapping in cap tubes? (Modern refrigeration systems use EXVs which are often needle valve controlled by a stepper motor.)
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 11 месяцев назад
Could be needle valve at cryo temps is hard. Cryo is a different world to regular cold stuff.
@cetyl2626
@cetyl2626 11 месяцев назад
I second the electronic needle valve idea.
@Ingineerix
@Ingineerix 11 месяцев назад
@@zyeborm Well, it depends on the materials used and what is expected to be present passing through the valve. Generally refrigerant loops are expected to be very clean, and since we know the temps involved, one can engineer a proper EXV. Most of the ones I've seen don't use any seals or other materials that need to remain flexible. Most are sealed in an hermetic enclosure, and only pass the magnetic fields from the stepper coils though to the rotor/valve assembly. These are used all over the place now and commonly seen in mini-split heat pumps. Tesla uses 6 of them in it's heat-pump system installed in all cars since 2020. Since they are plentiful, that means you can salvage one pretty easily and cheaply for experimentation.
@2pist
@2pist 9 месяцев назад
And... looks like he listened.
@Ingineerix
@Ingineerix 9 месяцев назад
@@2pist Yup, and they work! Nice!
@DrTimmay
@DrTimmay 11 месяцев назад
Fwiw this is probably the most info-dense, engaging series I've ever found outside of Applied Science. I'm normally a mechatronics guy and yet I'm having a _really_ hard time resisting the urge to build one of these myself despite having no need for LN2 and knowing nothing other than what I've learned from you. Love it, keep it up! 🍻
@wolfy9005
@wolfy9005 11 месяцев назад
Huygens Optics if you want info density and palatability of content
@miscbits6399
@miscbits6399 11 месяцев назад
I can "see a need" for mechatronics inasmuch as making interference fitting parts go together without beating On the other hand, if you follow Cutting Edge Engineering, you'll know that a 50 litre dewar of LN2 costs about 20-30c/litre and lasts around 4 months if unused (dewars run from $300 s/h to $1500 new) For the price and the faff reduction in mechanical workshops, I'm surprised more engine/transmission guys don't use them
@frankkersky5510
@frankkersky5510 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for explaining how they did this in the 19th century, I find those old compressors fascinating. The Liquid Air car experiment and the whole Paris pneumatic system are such interesting feats of innovation even if it was horribly inefficient. Would a TXV valve help your endeavors? Also when are you going to start playing around with ammonia :P
@Exotic_Chem_Lab
@Exotic_Chem_Lab 11 месяцев назад
TXV valve only works for refrigerant it's designed to work for.
@roryo1386
@roryo1386 11 месяцев назад
Mmmmm the spicy R717
@hughjanes4883
@hughjanes4883 11 месяцев назад
These videos are so *cool*
@TracyNorrell
@TracyNorrell 11 месяцев назад
I see what you did there, hue.
@hughjanes4883
@hughjanes4883 11 месяцев назад
@@TracyNorrell you solved the cold case
@w04h
@w04h 11 месяцев назад
Chilling, one might say
@LordDecapo
@LordDecapo 11 месяцев назад
At this point, I do not even remember what the main goal of this entire endeavor... All I know is that I am buckled in for this cool ride. Such an epic adventure.
@zeruzio1345
@zeruzio1345 11 месяцев назад
I believe the goal was reaching below absolute zero.
@2kadrenojunkiegaming655
@2kadrenojunkiegaming655 10 месяцев назад
liquid n2 production iirc. probably gonna spent more money on power than buying a n2 tank once a month for the rest of his life if he uses this system XD
@TheTdw2000
@TheTdw2000 2 месяца назад
Science isn't about *why!* It's about *why not?*
@rodjownsu
@rodjownsu 11 месяцев назад
I'm absolutely loving seeing all the ideas and progress you're making... I tried to build a JT liquifier years ago, might I suggest building a small vacuum chamber out of an old lpg tank, I built a large one from a car lpg tank, but your heat exchanger might fit in a regular sized one. Coat the inside of the tank in mylar or flexible mirror to reduce radiation losses, you can then braze the heat exchanger to a decently thick steel sheet for the lid, some soft rubber will work nicely as a seal. I used an adjustable needle valve on the cold tip instead of capillary, you could even put a handle through the side of the vacuum tank so you can adjust the needle valve while the whole system is running in order to increase/ decrease your ratio / remove blockages.... Keep up the awesome work!!
@markhivin8670
@markhivin8670 11 месяцев назад
Problem with vacuum chamber that effect of insulation starts after 1/ 100 000 of air pressure so you must have extremely good vacuum, usually 1 millionth of air pressure. "It states that compared to normal temperature and pressure, and with a 1 cm gap, you need the pressure to be below 0.3 Pa to reduce the thermal conductivity of air by a factor of 10. Normal pressure is 101,325 Pa, so that’s a pressure reduction by a factor of about 300,000 just to get ten times better insulation than air."
@p.0-npcg.248
@p.0-npcg.248 11 месяцев назад
Cody tried but it was very far from a true dewar...
@rodjownsu
@rodjownsu 11 месяцев назад
@@markhivin8670 Oh wow, I had no idea!, I figured it probably wouldn't be proportional to air pressure, but didn't realise the ratio was so high... Thanks for that, I was planning on using a vacuum for some future projects, don't think I'll worry about it any more!
@Exotic_Chem_Lab
@Exotic_Chem_Lab 11 месяцев назад
Happy to see MRJT cryocooler for the first time on youtube
@-Kerstin
@-Kerstin 11 месяцев назад
Really looking forwards to seeing how those improvements work out. Even if you reach LN2 I think it would be interesting to see you keep trying to improve the efficiency and exploring the different variables.
@DrPersonman
@DrPersonman 11 месяцев назад
This is really cool! By the way, you can usually make gauge screens look clear again with some grease smeared on them. If you want a more permanent solution clearcoat works very well or a thin/runny clear epoxy can work.
@DM-fz3ly
@DM-fz3ly 11 месяцев назад
Wondering when we will start seeing college textbooks written by you, as your ability to explain and document with graphs and drawings is stellar!!! Love this series.
@michelgrenier1878
@michelgrenier1878 11 месяцев назад
Very interesting , Great work ! , I have been a Ref. and HVAC tech. 41 years and did not know this system ; To make things easier for yourself , All brazing should be done with Nitrogen flowing through the pipes , Preventing oxidation inside the copper , And carefully preventing any brazing material from entering the piping ,
@wertacus
@wertacus 11 месяцев назад
Loving this series! Keep it up!
@drewlarson65
@drewlarson65 11 месяцев назад
For putting copper tubes through tubes, blow some rope through the outer tube with compressed air, then pull both inner tubes through at the same time with it ;)
@telamenais4409
@telamenais4409 11 месяцев назад
Really great video had me glued the whole time.
@AsmodeusMictian
@AsmodeusMictian 11 месяцев назад
This was awesome to watch, thanks!
@rorypenstock1763
@rorypenstock1763 11 месяцев назад
Incredibly exciting. I can't wait for the next video.
@mikemironov7551
@mikemironov7551 11 месяцев назад
This is very cool. Your videos give me chills
@stefanguiton
@stefanguiton 11 месяцев назад
Great work as always!
@taylor_rackley
@taylor_rackley 11 месяцев назад
Love this series! Great content and editing!
@im0b
@im0b 11 месяцев назад
your determinism is an inspiration!
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 11 месяцев назад
This keeps getting more fascinating on each video.
@fabiolourenco1827
@fabiolourenco1827 11 месяцев назад
Awaiting anxiously for the next episode! This is amazing work!
@christopherdriscoll7282
@christopherdriscoll7282 11 месяцев назад
I am always glad when I see your videos pop up
@maxcassidy5809
@maxcassidy5809 2 месяца назад
This is absolutely amazing! Thank you for posting this!
@revilolavinruf
@revilolavinruf 11 месяцев назад
Hyped every time I see your uploads. I cant wait to see what happens next!
@MakerMadness
@MakerMadness 10 месяцев назад
Really excited for the next video!
@not_a_therapist
@not_a_therapist 11 месяцев назад
Great video to watch before work.
@davidmartens6401
@davidmartens6401 11 месяцев назад
Deep dives. Love it.
@tanchienhao
@tanchienhao 10 месяцев назад
Love this series
@grezamisoit
@grezamisoit 11 месяцев назад
Very nice video! Thank you!
@joejane9977
@joejane9977 11 месяцев назад
thanks again for a great video
@TheBarretNL
@TheBarretNL 11 месяцев назад
Found your channel in my recommended, happy it did, lots of good content!
@FirstName-nf4fx
@FirstName-nf4fx 11 месяцев назад
Thia series is amazing. Im so excited for your eventual success!
@flomojo2u
@flomojo2u 11 месяцев назад
Wow, what an epic voyage of discovery! Really great work at quantifying all the issues and planning for the next attack on the problems.
@MrKidi39
@MrKidi39 11 месяцев назад
I have been on the edge of my seat this whole series. Love your work ❤
@MrHichammohsen1
@MrHichammohsen1 11 месяцев назад
The editing on these videos is top notch! Funny and so clearly explained!
@JADES-GS-z13-0
@JADES-GS-z13-0 11 месяцев назад
Your sstc series is best on RU-vid, i love it. Please make a series on HFSSTC
@alex4alexn
@alex4alexn 11 месяцев назад
i cant wait until you get this working, so fun to watch, we will all be cheering
@Carveaholic
@Carveaholic 11 месяцев назад
I've watched a few of these. They're fascinating! You've earned a sub.
@mikeconnery4652
@mikeconnery4652 11 месяцев назад
Amazing content and great explinations, stay the course.
@kasuraga
@kasuraga 11 месяцев назад
I've been hyped to watch every video that's been coming out in this series. Learning the ins and outs of a diy cryocooler is pretty awesome.
@pieterbarneveld9518
@pieterbarneveld9518 11 месяцев назад
Love your videos and explanations,
@tulsatrash
@tulsatrash 2 месяца назад
Very much enjoying this.
@maxkaibarreto
@maxkaibarreto 11 месяцев назад
Little by little legitimizing your setup - kudos!
@parknelson3428
@parknelson3428 11 месяцев назад
One of my favorite RU-vid series
@simonchillrrr
@simonchillrrr 11 месяцев назад
bro keep it up, its really some interesting stuff
@adrian5895
@adrian5895 11 месяцев назад
I've been waiting so long for this video
@idontneedaname85
@idontneedaname85 11 месяцев назад
I've always wanted to make a cyro cooler. Now I know I'm FAR to dumb to do so. GREAT vids BTW.
@mike-ph3fk
@mike-ph3fk 11 месяцев назад
This man's animations are on point
@Themamduzopieniedzy
@Themamduzopieniedzy 10 месяцев назад
Great job bro! Waiting for future episode
@user-ki3tx4wf8h
@user-ki3tx4wf8h 11 месяцев назад
Love this series! Great content and editing!. Love this series! Great content and editing!.
@canonicaltom
@canonicaltom 11 месяцев назад
Definitely getting exciting!
@kimurajustice
@kimurajustice 11 месяцев назад
Just love those series
@aarongoodwin4845
@aarongoodwin4845 11 дней назад
Love your sense of humor! And your dedication to finishing what you start! Cheers
@mlekolak22
@mlekolak22 11 месяцев назад
Making such an ambitious project step by step is really the best content 😊.Keep it up buddy!
@petomni
@petomni 10 месяцев назад
Bro I need part 2, you got me hooked on the science and series, don't leave us hanging :)
@paulvaillancourt535
@paulvaillancourt535 11 месяцев назад
Your patience on this build is legend.
@trey1531
@trey1531 9 месяцев назад
I love your videos!
@bluedistortions
@bluedistortions 11 месяцев назад
This is amazing, nothing else like it on youtube. Cant wait for the next video. Thanks for all your hard work and sharing of diy scientific experiementation.
@randomelectronicsanddispla1765
@randomelectronicsanddispla1765 11 месяцев назад
The compressor running hot is likely due to the fact that they are designed to run with a high flow of high density refrigerant on the outlet, which carries away the heat to the condenser coil. When running as a gas compressor, the mass flow on the output often isn't enough to carry the heat away. Maybe a water bath would help, the compressor oil can transfer some of the heat to the shell.
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 11 месяцев назад
It might have had something to do with it not having oil in it too.
@bgoldpanda7265
@bgoldpanda7265 11 месяцев назад
What books does he read to learn all of this? It’s incredible how fast he can put together these videos with so much progress in between each video
@Richardj410
@Richardj410 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for these complex home experiment. I don't have the equipment to do this so I get to do it through you.
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 11 месяцев назад
I push thumbs up before i even starting to look at the video, really good and informative work!
@xyzero1682
@xyzero1682 11 месяцев назад
Great update, stinks about the separator, compressor and gauges. I can't wait to see more!
@nolanmods7172
@nolanmods7172 10 месяцев назад
I hope to see an update soon!! Love the videos!!
@3SPR1T
@3SPR1T 11 месяцев назад
Props bro this is really advanced content. I was good in my first thermo exam in engeneering and I still understand like 85% of it.
@miklov
@miklov 11 месяцев назад
Such cliffhanger! Looking forward to the next video =)
@garrettmandujano2996
@garrettmandujano2996 11 месяцев назад
So stinking close! Great video
@weedwacker1716
@weedwacker1716 11 месяцев назад
Channel continues to grow, keep on keeping on.
@Menown7
@Menown7 11 месяцев назад
Thanks Hyperspace pirate for taking the time and effort to do this project and share it! I randomly hit your channel and idk if I'm ever going to need or ever use this wealth of knowledge you are sharing but its fascinating to watch!
@cameron7678
@cameron7678 11 месяцев назад
I had no idea I was missing something so cool until you came along.
@dennisdecoene
@dennisdecoene 11 месяцев назад
Can't wait to see you liquify air! Well done so far!
@MrBademy
@MrBademy 10 дней назад
a real engineer and scientist.. keep it up bro
@eurobulk5407
@eurobulk5407 11 месяцев назад
I think this is an amazing series. i study process engineering and always see these diagrams in theory, but i never thought it was possible to perform such experiments at a scale that isn't industrial. it's inspriring to see your mechanical problem solving skills and understanding of the prinicples combined in these videos. Good luck on your further projects, ill be here to see them
@adi.olteanu.1982
@adi.olteanu.1982 11 месяцев назад
🎉🎉🎉 Nice work dude ...i'm impressed
@BNETT21
@BNETT21 11 месяцев назад
Very well done sir. I have a very basic understanding with HVAC but I was able to understand your video and enjoyed it. looking forward to pt2
@delospelosenmotoneta
@delospelosenmotoneta 11 месяцев назад
I never thought I would enjoy so much seeing someone playing with old air conditioners! Can't wait for the next video!
@cetyl2626
@cetyl2626 11 месяцев назад
I found this out, too, when i was making a chiller for my beer making hobby. I too found my self in the awesome rabbit hole of chilling.
@davegeorge7094
@davegeorge7094 11 месяцев назад
This is the most interesting thing on UT to me, thanks man! My great great uncle was in the ICE delivering business, cool ya.
@stykytte
@stykytte 9 месяцев назад
Excellent video, subbed.
@mk12pickle
@mk12pickle 11 месяцев назад
I really like following all of the evolutions in this process and the different gasses and methods your using. I get a bit lost at times, but it does make sense. I find AC and Refrigeration fascinating but I am sticking to working in an ISP.
@herosvicentegonzalez7872
@herosvicentegonzalez7872 11 месяцев назад
God, i love this series
@lukedare-white3131
@lukedare-white3131 11 месяцев назад
God man you're so cool, great work!
@stevedaenginerd
@stevedaenginerd 11 месяцев назад
Loving this series! 😎 Not loving the wait for the next installment! 😅 Thanx for taking the time to document your experiments and setup, is like 2 full time jobs here! 🤓
@LordOfTamarac
@LordOfTamarac 11 месяцев назад
Obsessed with the animations on these videos
@atillathehung2000
@atillathehung2000 4 месяца назад
Bro. I just wanted to make a diy a/c for my garage, but now I know how to make ethylene as well as acetaldehyde and what a joule-Thomson coefficient is since I didn’t listen in college. Also a ton of other information I’ll never use but is still super interesting. Thank you. I’ll never get this diy a/c done with all of these other interesting videos you’ve got. You are my new source of adhd procrastination. ETA: thank you for adding the precaution about grounding yourself. This is something I see people make the mistake of all the time. Even something as simple as using a CO2 fire extinguisher, while not as dangerous as methane, can build up quite a large static charge and give a decent shock. I see people holding lines discharging various gases and I cringe every time.
@jakovbilic4556
@jakovbilic4556 4 месяца назад
This is some proper stuff!
@MrXrismix
@MrXrismix 11 месяцев назад
top content hopefully one day i will have the resource and time to make my own :) Great job
@GhostOfSnuffles
@GhostOfSnuffles 11 месяцев назад
I've made a quick and useful exchanger once by putting my coils into a plastic bag then putting it into a 5 gallon bucket then filling it with closed cell expanding foam. Once it expands and cures you can pull it out of the bucket, if you spray the bag with non-stick spray like the kind used for baking you can even salvage the plastic bag. It seem like it would be much quicker and easier then snaking 30' of foam tubing over the coils as well.
@shimotakanaki
@shimotakanaki 11 месяцев назад
I don't really understand everything but i love this serie !
@CrobinHood8BitGuy
@CrobinHood8BitGuy 9 месяцев назад
Finally a video about making a refrigerator that isn’t an ice cooler or peltier.
@WhatYouHaventSeen
@WhatYouHaventSeen 3 месяца назад
Applied Science made one from rubber bands.
@gambiarrismocientifico4144
@gambiarrismocientifico4144 11 месяцев назад
Exelente trabalho experimental! Em breve trabalharei em um experimento parecido aqui no Brasil. Quando eu tiver alguma ideia interessante, compartilho no canal.
@danielpetrino4129
@danielpetrino4129 11 месяцев назад
as a HVAC Tech and now becoming an mech engineer, i pull my hair out watching your vids lol Shoutout from St. Pete, FL btw
@vdrhussar
@vdrhussar 11 месяцев назад
I really don't understand anything about heat exchanges but really like the video and edits, been watching all the series til now
@victorreppeto7050
@victorreppeto7050 6 месяцев назад
I saw a RU-vid video about using liquid air as energy storage. Your experiment gives me all the details I need to know how difficult it would be to duplicate such a system and how to troubleshoot the problems I might run into I'd have to watch it three or four times though. Your explanations are very thorough. Thank you so much for posting all this. So fascinating!
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