The Sad Journey Feud Just Got Worse 

And stay worlds apart from one another.

Back to the Baby's JC.

@@serdip Agreed. I tuned out the bs of the last few years pretty well but the constant back and forth between Cain and Neil wore me out. The same goes for Hagar and the late great EVH. (rip) Just tired of hearing it no matter who was right or wrong

@shawncosmos5431 hagar arguing with himself.....lol.hahaha. Obvious Alex has no interest....move on Sammy...go 55....lol.hahaha

@@DidntDoo Well stated…

Yes he is. Steve Perry has a big controlling interest in Journey. All the songs they play live which are 99% of them have Steve's name stamped on them.

He is Journey!

Steve was the smart one.. He apparently saw things coming when he made that deal. Good for him. Steve P. had made some comment about the way Neal lived his life. I think he said he was “relentless“. Hard to deal with someone like that. Plays a mean guitar, but it does seem like all the troubles they had stems from Neal.

thats right ... ! 🔥

@@Cassie670566 Good try Cassie but it has always been and still is Neal's egotistic, narcissistic personality!

i agree

Haha’ yeah dude for sure ✌️

He gets a good chunk of the pie without all the drama and chaos. That's the dream.

He gets to relax, focus on his solo stuff, collect residuals.

the party's over.

John and Ross were amazingly in lockstep on that song.

Chunkie, 😂🤣✌🏼😊

😂😂😂

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That's a good one lol

Correct

Seems that way. Look at all the people who aren’t in the band. The lawsuits, etc. The turnover of replacement players. It’s a shit show and I detect a spouse is behind at least some of it.

they can't have a healthy band if Schon is spending money like crazy. No band could stay solvent

Yep pretty much!

Literally and I’ve met him didn’t like him at all. JMHO.

And Ross and Steve...

Probably the reason why he left. All this was probably going on back then, only they managed to keep it all secret

He's been gone for years.

@@chriskelly6559 Yes, we know. We all know.

Steve knew he was getting older and his voice would change and he d get slammed if he stayed in the band and couldn’t do the songs Justice… he was very smart and got out at the right time..he was gone what in 89’?after the raised on radio tour?….a smart winger knows when his nasel area is getting worse, and or his voice starts cracking..or starting to not hold the notes as long or in pitch…. Steve’s a lot smarter than we think, he got out before he looked like a train wreck…..look at all the older bands still touring everyone has to” Tune down a key “ for their aging singers….

The guy who had Ross Valory and Steve Smith ousted from the band? OK.

​@DrTomoculus Yea but steve seemed to learn and grow from his mistakes, remaining private and seeming to make amends with those other guys. We don't hear much about steve. I like not knowing much about Steve's personal life.

@@dupersuper6516 I'm mainly going from that Behind the Music from years ago, where it seemed like Journey's management and the band were bending over backwards to make the guy feel at home, because they knew they had scored. And somehow, he comes out saying he felt "isolated". And you can tell, as soon as he joins that band, is when members start departing one after the other. And then the final straw when he boots out Valory and Smith. They're all old men now, fighting for their retirement. They won't have any left if they keep in litigation. But I personally lost a lot of respect for Steve Perry all the way back in 1986, when I saw Valory & Smith were out. I played in a Top 40 cover band that regularly played "The Girl Can't Help It", so I was almost "obligated" to do it. But I was done with them when that happened. I didn't know all the details, I just knew it was wrong. And that Neal and Jonathan went along with it, says just as much about them as it does him. So it's not even a band of people united together. It's a bunch of suits with gig bags.

The only ones that weren’t drama queens were Ross valor y and Steve smith.

I was under the impression Steve had a hip injury and there was a quick fix and a “proper” fix and the band wanted him to do the quick fix. So he was out. I can clearly see Cain saying he had to call Steve and tell him he was out. I’ll have to find that interview or documentary. Steve never talks about it. The story is he just walked away. I don’t think it was that simple.

Agreed. Let go back in time..Its a historical fact that Perry orchestrated Smith and Vallorys exit prior to recording ‘Raised on radio’ The narrative was he wanted a ‘different sound’ . Hmm Those two guys were seasoned talented musicians. They could olay anything……Vallory was a founding member so if true that never sat well with me. Smith started with Journey in 78. They were a big time act by then but Escape hadn’t happened yet. Almost every track landed on Billboard. He knew his voice was the driving force. One or two less share holders replaced by contracted side men earning a lot less than Ross and Steve. More in his pocket…Weird group of people actually. Ross comes back for decades. Steve Smith comes back for a few years. They both get fired….Still not sure of what happened even though I read the complaint. Better them than me. Smh

The lawsuit is prob just a first step to arbitration as a goal. Legally binding, and no need to drag anything out in court.

It’s not that simple. The problem seems to be coming from Neal’s wife causing all the problems. Neal’s wife is the Yoko Ono here.

This is a Neal problem. It’s that simple. Jonathan had to do this.

Agreed! Neal always had a mega ego, his way or no way🙄

@@christybradley4049 remind me, which one of Jonathan or Neal founded the band ?

You are exactly right. I've been a big fan of the SP version and have yet to hear anything done since he left the band.

I really like your comment cause I never bought a Journey album but, I did buy The Best of Steve Perry. Obviously, Journey just had to keep his voice.😂

Exactly!!! Steve sold 75 million.

Amen! 👏 and that's why Neil doesn't want to work with him haha. Great band but egos ruining it smh 🤦

I mean Augeri, Pineda & pre-Steve Perry Journey did contribute to that 75m albums as that’s over their entire existence, but he did sell a vast majority of that number.

Then why wasn't his solo career just as big? Not to mention the relatively less successful and very different sound of RoR after he pushed to fire Valory and Smith? It was a collab, not just the Voice of Steel that took Journey to their Zenith.

Na na na na na na.. Na na na na na,... Na na na na na nee na na nahhhhh😁🤟🥃

@@steve-0493 Damnit its lodged in my head now, its bed time too lol.

Neil. It's a jerk behind it be real Steve Perry. All these other guys will tell you that. When you Hero about him. You know, it's all true about Neal. Bad person, not a good guy.😅

more like Lovin Touching Suing

So talented I never see his name come up on 'the best guitar players on the planet'. Sometimes, talent is only in one's mind.

@@betsysimek8955 🎯🎯

Original lineup or classic lineup?

@@deadliestassassin3092 classic with Cain, Perry, Valery, Schon, and Smith

That door was locked shut! Neither Steve Smith, Ross Valory, and Steeve Perry were invited to a single anniversary show to perform. Smith and Valory's move to take over the property of Journey doomed both of them! Perry, screwed over his bandmate's twice. The comeback album that charted extremely well on adult contemporary stations with a tour slated booked. His mother passes away, which is understandable. He informed the band he needed hip surgery and knew he knew that during the Trial recording sessions, he never disclosed he was having problems and needed surgery. Till they were to hit the road. Tour canceled. Once bitten twice shy. Steve Perry wrecked what could have been something great. Not Neal. Neal is a big ass for the continued issues. It is great that Cain and Schon can work on stage. They know the money is there, Neal needs to stop pulling the slot machine lever. He will destroy what he and Cain created as musicians. I know they can get past this! Neal needs to stop spending.

@@azrocker06. Yeah. I’ve read all that to. Perry is looking back thinking God he’s not part of the drama anymore.

@shawncosmos5431 he actually had no interest for over 20 years, not due to the band issues it was he did not want to do the grueling tour. He prefers going out when he wants. He knows he can't hit those high notes anymore. He was given a chance to go up and perform at the RRHOF. He said it is Arenels position, and he is the front man. He has been and will continue.

BINGO!

@@devinjeffrey275 except it is HIS band and HIS $. Jon pulled this same lawsuit before. I think it’s time to call it a day and not let this be their legacy. A legacy of lawsuits.

@@CherylBattista It’s not Neal’s band. Also, Neal has been doing the spending in question, not John. Listen, I love them both but beholden to the truth!

@@devinjeffrey275whose band is it if not Neal’s?

@@devinjeffrey275 it IS Neal’s band!

@@CherylBattista Neal and Jonathan are born one day apart from each other, don't know when that day is.......I take it Neal's proably March 30th, with a Moon is Leo apparently they say those born on the 10, 20th, or 30th have battle energy.....and I know a guy born March 30th, his planet is hell.

You heard correctly.

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That is $1500.00 per night + Neal's extra (2nd) chartered plane!

His wife is a big spender as well.

@@seanl67 Right! Neil should have never gotten plastic surgery. Men can age gracefully and they still look Hot. Now he Looks like he had his face stretched!! And, black hair dye will age our complexion, too. Unless you’re a 15 year old groupie!! LOL

Yep, I remember. Unfortunately, Schon’s current wife and her ex-husband were notorious con artists. Her story is an interesting one. I was bummed and disappointed when she ended up with Neil. And Cain’s wife is even nuttier. It’s a real soap opera.

One of Neals issue with Cain is partly political believe it or not. Cain is a hardcore conservative and Neal is pretty far left. The same thing happened to grace slick and Mickey Thomas from Jefferson starship.

good to hear.. am scheduled to see a show in a couple of weeks and this was my first thought.. thanks.

The two of them drop the issue at that stage door. They know they can not do what happened with VH on that reunion tour. They want to give it to the fans on stage. Keep it off that playground they love, the stage.

@jenb8128 hey, Van Halen could play well on the 1984 tour in spite of Eddie and Dave feuding out of view.

I agree. I was thinking that they looked genuinely happy and enjoying themselves on stage.

I think perry carried them and they didn't care about his voice ..no singer of his caliber can sing 180 plus shows a year .he was trying to preserve himself and was thought to be a pain in the butt....

@@patrickking9181 With an unheard of, iconic 8 octave voice would you abuse it? Steve knew how to preserve it. Since the hits were mostly Steve's voice, lyrics, and Steve's productions I'd say Steve carried them - still do to this day! Would your band even want you to abuse it?

Tell us more!

His wife too ! She is a huge part of this problem.

"Clueless Fans"? You underestimate SP's enormous fan base! They still turnout to hear SP songs! Think Neal would still do those songs if fans didn't want them, or would buy tickets if they DIDN'T do them? or if Neal had made new 'hits'? There's many older bands still gigging!

Yep.

move on...with or without SP journey band must be continue..they need money to finance..just accept no permanent in this World. everything is faded

Who wrote the songs? Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just here for the drama...

Yep.

His voice sucks now

So, their first three albums don't count? JOURNEY lost it when Steve joined the band.

Neal is the only remaining original member since they fired Ross. Journey has not had more than two original members in the band since 1980.

Steve Perry was not original.

Neither can anyone else, save for a few guitar players!

Yes, she was in the first season of real housewives of DC and they (her and the ex-husband) somehow got into a WH reception uninvited. Guys can I make a suggestion. Take a page from Queen's book. There are five equal shares of everything. No one is the managing member.

And she ran off with Neal after a show for 7 days, ghosting her husband throughout that time span. She's the common denominator in this.

Agreed. Neal needs to grow up.

Spoken like someone who has no clue about adult lif 😂🤣

I bet schons goal is for him to be the only one left from the original lineup so he has all control

Lincoln Brewster for guitarist. He played for Steve in between.

Perry, Cain, Valory and Smith would work!!

They were first. Had they not done their thing Steve Perry would not have had a Journey to join. And they were a excellent band. A different band for sure but loaded with talent..

Journey is now called KARAOKE

Seriously? Would you say that to Chicago? Jason Scheff has been with them 23 years, and Cetera was just as hard to replace as Perry. Did they stop doing Cetera songs? Of course not. Arnel has been there 16 years, still bringing in fans, still making them money. Personally, that's who I'm paying to see.

@@betsysimek8955 Did Cetera write/arrange the music or just sing it? Steve Perry did it all!

@@ptlatham7488 Jason Scheff did all that for 20 plus years, but it's 'not Chicago without Peter', right?

I don’t foresee any Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin.

They won’t

Cain is the good guy! Rarely at odds with anyone!

Plus the current one!

He’s been married 5 times? Wow didn’t know that. That explains a lot….if you can’t get it right by 3 your the problem

Paula White is really loved by those in the mega church she's built! If she were a phony- you just can't fool that many people! While the other wife, Yoko tried to crash a WH Gala - Uninvited! Secret Service escorted them out!

Joe Elliott brags about how Def Leppard members are loyal to each other. The nutsy Journey story today pretty much proves it.

@@AsHatSelfieStick oh I meant since they are touring together, I wonder if there’s tension backstage lol

@@NOTB666-p7v No bad vibes from Jon - he isn't like that! Neal is though!

Spent a lot on his wife as well. She's a big spender just like him.

No, I don't agree. Steve Perry and Jonathan Cain brought the massive success to the band with their songwriting and "The Voice." Neal Schon is a very talented guitarist but the financial success didn't come until Steve and Jonathan joined the band.

​@user-js4go9hv3i Neil was there from day one he's the Sole, Original Member... seniority. You seem to be confusing The Tour money with Royalties from the Co-written hits. Two different pay outs. Also, it was proven last time that Cain was hiding Journeys Financials from Neil. Hopefully they can work it out. 👍

No way

Yeah way. Journey was an incredible band. Definitely one of the hottest bands of my high school days in the early 80’s. To me, Journey was over when Perry left. Anyway, my point is this greed and band members suing other band members because they wrote more or something they had more creative input for the band turns into lawsuits and division and band breakups. It’s a huge turnoff. Other bands I was a fan of did and are doing the same shit. Eagles, Judas Priest, Queensryche, etc. the one thing I can’t blame bands from the 70’s and 80’s, even as far back as the 60’s for is coming back and doing these farewell or reunion tours at advanced ages because they can make as much $$$ in 1 tour than in their entire careers

Both bands are decades past their prime, they're just collecting checks at this point. Nothing lasts forever...