Journey to Babel // Star Trek: The Original Series Reaction // Season 2 

The holding pinkies thing was already taken, I guess.

Nimoy said he suggested it to them, based on his established trend of doing things with hands.

When I first saw her in the credits (30, 35 years ago?) I misread it as Jane Wyman and spent ten years thinking Amanda was played by Reagan’s first wife

Hence the title! Perfect 😁

And without her the quality control really went off the rails later.

Yes she was.

You are not being kind enough to this episode. This is the episode that really showed us what makes Spock a Vulcan. 👏👏👏👏👏 Not "Amok Time".

One of my favorites

Yes, D.C. Fontana was just as important as Roddenberry to the development of the Star Trek universe. He may have drawn the outline but she filled in the color.

And, very wise.

Don't mess with Vulcans.

​@@mjbull5156 Spock II from Mirror Mirror "I would remind you that some of my allies are Vulcans."

Spock did not get it from nowhere.

Yep. I remember vividly

Her TV daughter also appears in at least one TOS episode.

@@kai223noa6 Yes, she appears in the next episode, I believe.

Yes, I remember her, and yes I'm old, lol

WOW. I didn't even recognize her,I've been watching that tv series for a couple years on youtube-GOOD-stuff.

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I agree don’t spoil it for Bunny. Guys, some of us have watched these episodes hundreds of times over the last 50 years. That doesn’t mean we need to spoil it for others. Let Bunny discover it like we discovered it when we first watched Star Trek.

Algy and Ginger would have it no other way. Well said.

A little 🇬🇧 ire, eh? We 🇺🇲 are shaking in our shoes...

@@starmnsixty1209 That would be the logical reaction.

SHADDUP SPOCK

In the Trek Animated Series we get to see Spock's pet bear

Very logical choice for a pet. Not.

@@radioflyer68911 Was the "Pet" his mum's idea or his dads?......

@@timmooney7528 Spoiler

That is the way I read it, too. Deeply emotional Vulcans that cover it up so completely would reach it as the logical thing to do... at the time. Dude. That's love at first sight. And if he could, he'd be going full on poetry. "How my heart sings for thee. Goddess of another tree. To you, I pledge my eternal soul. Logically, I can't undergo..." ;P

OR was it the logical thing to do BECAUSE Amanda was already PREGNANT???

since we know sarek was the vulcan ambassador to earth, and we know something about vulcan's, most of us fans have believed for over 50 years that he meant, "i went into pon farr while on earth, so it seemed the logical thing to do". did it really sound like a PERFECT declaration of love ??

@@Capohanf1 Silly

@@ice-iu3vv Buddy, I think sometimes there is the need to grow over the ossession for stupid details, in order to catch the poetry of a line like that.

Love his performance in this. Made me really enjoy imaging Andorians before later series changed them quite a lot.

That bit of advice by Nalder's character is one of the wisest but most overlooked lines in the whole Star Trek genre. 🌟🌟🌟🌟

And he made a frightening vampire as Barlow in "Salem's Lot." Side note: he worked with Bill Cosby on a film back in the early 80s and called Cosby a "pig", as well as some other nasty adjectives and that seemed more about Cosby's behavior towards him than anything else.

@applcinamn sounds like he met the real Bill Cosby decades before the rest of us

I believe you mean "Andorian ambassador", but I agree with you. He had a small part, but played it to perfection!

I’m sorry. It’s annoying that it got ruined for me but way worse that it in turn got ruined for all of you. You don’t deserve that. 🙁

Not just 60 years but THOUSANDS of years. Don't forget about Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, Jules Verne, Shakespeare, Greek mythology and even The Bible. Great literature has ALWAYS been about great writing, great stories and human drama.

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The worst kind of spoiler people are the ones who think they’re being so clever by “hiding” the spoiler. Then they get all touchy when they get called out on it.

I wish she had called him/her out by name, but that might have been going too far.

I’m sorry. It’s annoying that it got ruined for me but way worse that it in turn got ruined for all of you. You don’t deserve that. 🙁 And calling people out by name would take too much time. It’s not one person. It’s at least a dozen.

@@bunnytailsREACTS Wow, sad that there were many. Sounds like you need a screener. You’re a treasure to be thinking of your audience that way.

All these small moments really highlight something that fans really clicked with, Spock has emotions, deep ones, and we can learn through him that Vulcans have these have emotions. However, with Spock being half human and being a disappointment to his father, he puts on a heavy more Vulcan than every other Vulcan façade that he uses as a shield. We see it slip, but he does his best to be the best Vulcan in the eyes of his father and of other humans. I can really feel that, we all have to put up appearances sometimes, but sometimes our parents can for instance force a positive emotional state on us, to not show sadness, to fake it until you make it kind of deal, even when you’re breaking on the inside… I know this all too well.

It helps that you had two incredibly strong actors in that scene. Every beat was perfect.

I agree so much, I can't let it go with just one thumbs up. here is another. 👍

Spock ("The Naked Time") - “My mother… I could never tell her I loved her”

Thank you very much!

That does make sense, though it's hard to prove. The "Royal We" thing... something we're all familiar with when dealing with, for instance, British royal family members. Queen Victoria was very well known for never referring to herself as "I" but always as "we," for example. Because, of course, she "spoke for all of Britain."

1,603,170$ in 2024

It got so expensive that Desilu would actually lose money on it since NBC paid them less than they spent on many episodes due to going over budget for costumes, sets, and effects other shows (like cheap Westerns or sitcoms) wouldn't need (Westerns had so many available sets and costumes they cost almost nothing aside from paying writers/actors/directors/extras, which is part of why there were so many Westerns on TV).

i think City on the Edge of Forever was the most expensive of the 3 seasons.

@rogershore3128 Correct, it cost $245,316 which was more than $60,000 over budget! Those were enormous sums in 1967. These episodes thag went over budget are why Star Trek resorted to so many "Earth-like planets" where they could recycle sets and props from other shows and movies or film on studio backlots to save money. When people complain about too many visits to the 1930s, ancient Rome, WW2, 1960s Earth, etc., that's pretty much the entire reason why: they had no choice.

@@docsavage8640 To be fair sometimes the extra cost was worth it.

They will never learn. They will always rationalize it away (well this isn't a spoiler), think they are being clever when they aren't, or simply post without caring because they have some irrepressible need to be the one to 'i know something you don't know' (Which is pretty pathetic).

@@cruelangel8689 People spoiled this one pretty explicitly. I'm pretty sure someone commented that we'd see the actor who played the Romulan commander again, and I replied that hopefully people will refrain from saying when and as who, and then the reply right after mine was just like "He plays Spock's father Sarek", and a little piece of my hope for humanity died.

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Some people can't help but spoil plots and other information. They aren't malicious, but cannot control their enthusiasm. I once watched a coworker excitedly recommend a new movie and then immediately give the ending away. I was so glad that I had already seen it. But another person present had the movie ruined.

@@brachiator1 Well, it's definitely hard to convince somebody to watch something without telling them things about it that make it worth watching. But once they've already decided to watch, that seems to me like time to zip it. Seeing somebody react to something unspoiled is a unique privilege. There was an episode of Doctor Who a couple years ago that had a huge surprise return of a past character, but it was revealed in all the trailers, so when the episode actually came, I could see it from miles away, and my reaction to the big reveal was just "Okay, I knew that already." But a couple months later I watched it with someone else, who hadn't seen the trailers, and didn't hang out in fan communities. When that reveal happened, she just about fell out of her chair. She was completely blown away by the plot twist. As a result, when I rewatch it now, I remember that moment as having been shocking, even though I never experienced it as being shocking.

Every TOS reaction will be uploaded here.

Awesome. We used to resort to all sorts of tricks in those days when you couldn't find some of these programs or films after they were broadcast.

I remember someone showing me once some copies that I think were originally broadcast in syndication by them pointing a camera at a screen playing them that was sent out to the middle of no where America, and then the fan copied that from their tv.

Me too, except I used a regular cassette tape recorder. I'd hang a "Recording!" sign on the living room door so my family wouldn't interrupt my taping session. I'd then listen to the episodes in my bed at night and fall asleep to the daring escapades of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the rest of the heroic Enterprise crew. I miss those times.

I did the same thing with a portable Cassette Recorder, and got good at cutting out the Commercials! 😁

​@@cleekmaker00Me too, with a regular tape cassette recorder as well.

{groan} 👍

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😂😂😂

Except he doesn't break the 4th wall and speak to the audience. It's just implied.

It certainly does. 👏👏👏👏👏 If I wanted to get a new viewer hooked on the show, I would show them this one. 😀

Which is great because I can't stand it when a fantasy or sci fi species is treated as if every member is the same and they're just a monolith where "all Vulcans are this" and "all elves are that."

It's a weird way of "chestbeating," as far as I can tell. Trying to demonstrate their "mastery," essentially. Kind of "marking territory," I guess. The only other reasonable explanation would be that they're intentionally screwing with her, after all. The "weird territory marking" thing is the nicer explanation.

@@carybrown851 That makes total sense, unfortunately. Showing off their knowledge /"mastery" just like you described, to someone new to the series. I definitely see that in other hobbies too. Oh well ... these reactions are always a blast to watch!

Spock has a sly, wicked sense of humour: BAILEY: Raising my voice back there doesn't mean I was scared or couldn't do my job. It means I happen to have a human thing called an adrenaline gland. SPOCK: It does sound most inconvenient, however. Have you considered having it removed? BAILEY: Very funny. [From "The Corbomite Maneuver" (which bunnytails has already seen)]

He also Played Mr. Carlson's attorney in "The Bob Newhart Show".

Voice typing, I presume? You might want to edit your post for proper grammar and spelling. EDIT: And I see you fixed the voice-typing issues. 👍 The stuff you said, if I'm interpreting you correctly, about Sarek's father is entirely speculative. There is no official, or even semi-official, source for that. When I find mentioning something non-canonical like that to be worth mentioning, I will describe it as "fan theory" or the like. Fun to think about, and relevant info as some... perhaps even most?... fans believe it. But unless the creators of the show explicitly stated so... and to me, earlier series always take precedence over later ones, without exception, so in case of conflicts, I choose the earlier version first... fan theories should never be treated as "official." It's all pure speculation. For example, I have my own version of Kirk's early career, based upon the limited info given on screen and my knowledge of how the military actually operates. I even, personally, hold that Kirk was first officer on the U.S.S. Alexander, a Baton Rouge Class Cruiser, with the rank of Commander, and after the death of the captain, briefly commanded the Alexander just prior to his promotion to the rank of Captain and posting to the position if Captain of the Enterprise. I hold that it was his actions on the Alexander which earned him the prestigious posting, the youngest ever promoted to that position. Some of what I just mentioned is canon. Some is long-accepted "fan canon" but is unofficial. And some is my own invention. But it all makes sense, both in alignment with Trek canon and with how real military organizations function. It's what I believe... my own personal "head canon." But no one else has to agree.

No, the Tellarite ambassador was played by John Wheeler.

Thsnk you fir restoring my faith in at least SOME fans! 👍

Nicely done. Appreciate it. Hopefully some spoiling commenters will notice and learn how to stop spoiling.

Oh wow. That’s a shame

The vast majority of "spoilers" are given by people who simply aren't thinking... or rather, they're thinking about things solely from their own perspective, and not from anyone else's. This is essentially a lack of capacity for empathy. People who are highly empathetic inherently are drawn towards "seeing the other person's side of view," while being less empathetic makes people have more difficulty seeing things that way. People entirely without empathy... or, stated clinically, people with antisocial personality disorders (narcissism, psychopathy, sociopathy)... are entirely incapable of seeing things from other people's point of view, and would not want to if they were. The people who make "honest mistakes" are easy to spot, because they accept "corrections" gracefully. The very few who become aggressive about defending their actions, on the other hand... who cannot take criticism or correction without perceiving it as an "attack" of some sort... are the ones I personally have issues with. They know that they've been asked not to do so, but simply don't care. Fortunately, there are only a few people here who've shown that tendency... but they do stand out. Failing to, initially, understand why they shouldn't do something is entirely non-problematic. Empathy is a spectrum, after all, not a binary state. (No one is 100% empathetic, or 0% empathetic. But sociopaths, in particular, are very, very close to 0%.) It's when someone points out what they've done, and they defend what they've done, despite it clearly being a direct violation of what they've been asked.... that's when it becomes an issue. Dozens of folks here "spoiled" Sarek. And dozens have spoiled something that happens in the Animated Series, as well. Plus many other spoilers as well. Few were in any way malicious, but a few, I'm convinced, actually are. This is usually due to the person just being excited... and allowing their excitement to cloud their judgment (and thus their empathy). They have it, they just "forget about it" briefly, in their excitement. Only the most empathetic people are not potentially able to do this when their own emotions are stirred up. So, we can't fix what's already happened. But we can strive to avoid it happening, going forward. BunnyTails has a plan in place to help avoid this, though it's not yet fully realized. And however she eventually handles things, I hope we'll ALL be willing to help her in achieving this... both by curtailing our own "spoiling" actions, AND by (gently, at first, and more forcefully only if the gentle approach fails) chastizing those who willfully ignore her desire to not have things spoiled.

@@carybrown851 I support bunnytails' request for no spoilers, and I support your comment, carybrown. In an effort to be helpful, I will point out one more thing. I believe bunnytails' channel is growing fast. She will have, at any time, many new subscribers who are simply UNAWARE of her request for no spoilers. In fact, I have noticed that some of the spoilers have come from commenters who say, "Hi, new subscriber here. You liked that actor, so be sure to watch him again in the upcoming episode ..." To summarize, new subscribers (and new commenters) might simply not know about the no-spoilers policy. Therefore, she might need somebody to screen the comments for her, as others have suggested. Best wishes, Dandelion Down

@@MarkRyan-u3u Yes, absolutely. Someone familiar with Trek, and able to "screen," is vital. Who that will end up being is entirely in her hands, though no doubt several of us would be willing to help her out in that manner. I certainly would be, but it might make sense to give that "filtering power" to more than one individual. How it would work is a bit of a mystery to me at the moment, however. Would the "filter moderator" just have the ability to delete posts? Or is it possible for them to alter posts, making them HIDDEN so that you'd have to click on the "unhide" button in order to view them? I think that latter option would be best... but I'm unsure if that's even possible within the RU-vid architecture. I suspect that BunnyTails is looking into just how this would work right now, but I cannot say with any certainty. In the end, I think that the goal would be for a few... three or four, at most... "trusted helpers" to have the ability to tag spoiler posts as just that, making it impossible to accidentally be exposed to those posts. I susoect that, if that tact is possible, it royld have yo hide the entire thread, or subthread...not the posts higher than it in the hierarchy, but it and anything below it in the hierarchy. If I were designing the software from scratch, that's what I'd do. But I honestly have no idea if RU-vid's system is capable of that. In which case, deletion might well be the only viable alternative. Of course, I'm not all-knowing, so there could be some other alternative I haven't thought of. If so, I'd love to hear suggestions... and I believe our hostess would as well!

@@carybrown851 Those are all good points. I hope bunnytails is able to find a solution. I hate spoilers myself: in fact, I have very bitter memories of having sports results spoiled.

Thanks, I’m very glad to hear all that!

Maybe Peek's other character was the counterpart of the one in this universe.

Frank da Vinci is in this episode as a Vulcan aide with Mark Lenard again after being a Romulan crewman in "Balance of Terror."

@@TheNoiseySpectator ... Could be! 🖖

@@docsavage8640 .... da Vinci was also Leonard Nimoy's stand-in and body double in Star Trek and in "Mission: Impossible".