Obamagamer34! Not when it came out though. I think it became the blue print for so many indie rock songs in the 90s. Maybe that’s why you feel like it is generic?
@@iamsheep thats probably it, idk, its just to me tht new dawn fades seems like it doesnt have alot of interesting sounds like something from still or something from an ideal for living
@@iamsheep hmmm, i could say something obvious like shes lost control or insight, however in my opinion the best joy division song is either no love lost or something must break. how about you?
The happiest day in your life is the day when you gain the courage to let go of the things you can't change. You will face many defeats in life but don't let yourself be one of them. 👍😎
Good Video. Upvote: I watched both of these movies several times. I'm curious which is true and as 24 hour party people suggested "what was the urban myth" of the day? However I felt pretty bad for Ians Wife. or the first wife (I dont remember if he married his lover who he cheated on) sorry if that's a spoiler for anyone who didn't see the film. It was common knowledge in the day. if you're young and a new fan, these 2 movies are great. Control is a more serious dipiction of Ian with some comic relief (I DO NOT LIKE H****S-Spoiler) while 24 hour party people is pretty hilarious with a few serious moments.
@@chrisgoodson9312 which one. "Control"? Was she at all apart of the writing? if not, one would ask why. What about Natalie their daughter? I wonder if she liked it though it kind of hits on a sensitive note.
The film 'Control' was based on Curtis' wife's (Deborah) memoir 'Touching from a Distance'; it shows how selfish Curtis was, and in particular that he didn't seem to give a damn about his child with Deborah. It certainly shows that in many respects suicide is the coward's way out; no thought whatsoever for those you leave behind. I don't think you can have a spoiler in a film based on real people and events? As for what is true, well, it's not a documentary. Peter Hook and others have said that there's little in it that's true, and they should know.
Don't know much about music but if that's a bass at the beginning then it's dirty? It sounds a bit like Seattle or Seattle sounds like that? Along with the poetry + loss of one's own innocence, it takes me back to the accurate feeling I had when I was growing up, that the N of England sound's a bit like an abandoned shithole!
as much as he is hated by some, fucker has some great comments/ideas and has made some great music. Black Flag and SOA are legend bands, would of not been the same without him. Saw Rollins band live in 92' , on their End of Silence tour, the fucker was amazing to listen too and watch.. I was half drunk and trippin on half an acid tab.. I was entranced by the band and him.. He's an excellent front man when he's in the zone.
For me, the most heart-breaking part is Ian Curtis died not knowing the scale of Joy Division's achievement, how many lives the band would touch, how many artists would be inspired by their music, how much respect would be paid to them.
@@SocietyOfTheSpectacl hey man what’s Bill Gates got to do with Joy Division you’re commenting on the wrong department mind you saying that I will watch it out of curiosity buddy so greetings from England 🏴💞✝️😘🎸🤘🇬🇧🤪💞✝️😘🤘🙏🏻🎸🇬🇧🤪🤘
63 year old racing at Oulton Park in the UK last weekend, called at Macclesfield cemetery to pay my respects,last time i stood near Ian Curtis was 1979.
Control was a really good film. Even for people who aren't huge fans of the band, the acting, cinematography, everything in the film worked so well. It seemed like a great depiction of Ian Curtis.
Agreed. Huge props to the director Anton Corbijn, who photographed the band for years and the director of the Atmosphere music video. He was the perfect person to direct this film.
As a fellow epilepsy sufferer I can confirm the toll it takes on our emotional well being, although my epilepsy is different (peti-mals). There is only 3 types of medication for mine I have been on all 3 to no avail, when they are really bad it can develop in a full on seizure. I can really relate to how poor Ian felt scared, low moods, hopelessness, memory loss, exhaustion the list goes on. R.i.p ian💙
@Glorious Tales Thankyou for your reply I'm sorry to hear you have suffered too, I'm so glad your doing well with your medication. I'm trying to reduce my siezures through my diet it helps a little, but we are strong and carry on. Take care. X
@Glorious Tales I was diognosed at 15 (I'm now 42) I was in special needs classes at school as they thought I had learning difficulties, they couldn't understand how I could do poor in some tests but high in others. They put a teacher next to me to see if they could pick up on anything, and my teacher witnessed me having an absence siezures. X
Epilepsy is fucking embarrassing. It'll hit you in the most public of places like a supermarket. You fall and on your way down your head will hit every shelf knocking over all kinds of shit. Then you start flopping around like a fish. I have PTSD too so I'd get up swinging thinking I'm being attacked. Then there's the look of horror of everyone that witness you have a seizure. I want to understand why Ian felt like he had to end himself because that disorder will hold you hostage. It'll make your friends never to look at you the same again.
@@mikeruiz3046 thankyou for sharing I really get your frustration in some ways I consider myself fortunate that I don't have many grand-mal siezures, but constantly have absence siezures day in and day out there's just no end to them. I've lost count of people who want to pick a fight because I've blacked out and appears to them like I'm staring at them, loosing conversation, read something then have to repeat, anxiety, depression......your right it is just fucking horrible! Sending best wishes to you....
Absolutely. Side 1 starts with Disorder and ends with New Dawn Fades, perfectly encapsulating the era and setting the stage for years to come. Incredibly influential!
A change of speed, a change of style A change of scene, with no regrets A chance to watch, admire the distance Still occupied, though you forget Different colors, different shades Over each mistakes were made I took the blame Directionless so plain to see A loaded gun won't set you free So you say We'll share a drink and step outside An angry voice and one who cried 'We'll give you everything and more The strain is too much, can't take much more Oh, I've walked on water, run through fire Can't seem to feel it anymore It was me, waiting for me Hoping for something more Me, seeing me this time Hoping for something else
i disagree entirely, he was surely the opposite, entirely flawed and human, he did bad things, made bad choices, had a temper even with his band and family, but was also good, and soulful and heartfelt, very emotional and sensetive in many accounts. to say he's good or bad is just matyring or demonising him... which i think is kinda against the point.
@@2degucitas Maybe he was just...HUMAN??!! NOT a Saint or a Sinner - just a flawed human being like the vast majority of people are. However he had THE TALENT to EXPRESS his pain & regret through his lyrics and a REMARKABLE singing voice. Backed by music that was PERFECTLY IN SYNC with what he was trying to say - from HOOKY's BASS being the rising & falling PULSE of JOY DIVISION; to BARNEY's chiming guitar & SYNTH Work to STEPHEN MORRIS's MILITARY STYLE precise DRUMMING. Where everything JUST WORKED to better the song. Long Live JOY DIVISION.😍
When I was a teenager in the late 1980s I once dreamed of a Joy Division movie. Back then, they were not popular at all. In fact, the only person outside "the scene" who I ever met who heard of them was a mechanic who changed my oil who was from Manchester. Then slowly, they became more and more popular. I am glad they have the recognition they deserve. At the same time I have utter contempt for the music scene that practically ignored them for 20 years.
Great video... This song really shows the talent of the band without obnoxiously long solos... The hard bass line by Peter Hook, the hypnotic signing and lyrics of Ian, the drums throughout the song and the strong lead guitar at the end....
My son had epilepsy as a baby when the seizures started I felt so helpless. I cannot image what my son felt. It must have been imaginably horrible when your body shakes and there is nothing you can do. And to put this lack or control and feeling to song and to include his own blame as well is truly magic.
Ian's voice in New Dawn Fades is unbelievable, haunting,ive never heard a voice like that before or since except for Frank Sinatra's, on It was a very Good year,❤
So tragic. I have listened to this song since the 1980s.He lets you in to his soul and heart. I don't know how many artists have ever been that honest,I can't imagine what he was feeling.And I have been through everything you can think of except being the adulterer and being a parent. And I am not judging when I use the A word. Young people,even brilliant and otherwise mature men like Mr.Curtis are still growing up. He had a career,mortgage,wife,and kid before most people finish college. And he was on the verge of international stardom and already the subject of high critical acclaim.Add to that severe epilepsy with barbaric and primitive treatments that can cause depression even in people not torn apart by an affair,the stress of marriage and parenthood-this was a huge load.And he let us in on it. I hope his widowed wife and child have a great life,and I know his bandmates handled it better than I would have.Eventhough you can see that they are still haunted by it 40 years later.
Beautifully written young man he will always be young and handsome he’ll never grow old and miserable and be tempted by ungodly things his money could have bought he will always be the young sexy frontman with a successful band who wrote beautiful lyrics and slightly troubled look at what some artists do with their money and their attitude stinks
Performing live emotionally drained Ian, his songs were deeply personal and a form of therapy in writing and recording but it was torture to him to perform them live, over and over again. I would go as far to say that he did not look forward to the upcoming tour, it was the final trigger of a deepening depression. On a darker note, hadn't it been for Ian's troubled mind, we would have never had Joy Division.
Until you have experienced being a parent your experience of life is slight and shallow. I'm sorry to say it but it is. Bringing a child into the world is the most profound thing you can ever experience. Of course those who haven't will obviously disagree. But they're arguing from a place of ignorance. Those who are parents know what life is life before you have kids and what it's like after you have. So clearly their opinion is more qualified. I have also experienced a lot in my 50 years but to date bringing a child into the world was the most intense.
A change of speed, a change of style A change of scene, with no regrets A chance to watch, admire the distance Still occupied, though you forget Different colors, different shades Over each mistakes were made I took the blame Directionless, so plain to see A loaded gun won't set you free So you say We'll share a drink and step outside An angry voice and one who cried We'll give you everything and more The strain's too much, can't take much more Oh, I've walked on water, run through fire Can't seem to feel it anymore It was me, waiting for me Hoping for something more Me, seeing me this time Hoping for something else
Great interpretation and brought a tear to my eye. My life changed when I first saw JD at the Leigh Festival (78?) Looking back, their story is like their music; it scales the heights and plunges to the very depths yet is somehow uplifting throughout. And I remember, when we were young.
my student and I were talking. me ,saying I'm a great Sisters of Mercy fan; he a big fan of Joy Division. he presented me with New Dawn Fades (that I immediately loved) and I introduced him to an early 1985 alternate version of SOM's Some kind of Stranger - we were so amused to hear the similarities to the mettalic splashing of the electro drums beating- so much alike ( to my hearing at least) and the FIRST 3 or 4 seconds of the bass line that reminds us of SOM's EMMA. Incredible. Definitely 2 great bands.
A change of speed, a change of style A change of scene, with no regrets A chance to watch, admire the distance Still occupied, though you forget Different colors, different shades Over each mistakes were made I took the blame Directionless so plain to see A loaded gun won't set you free So you say We'll share a drink and step outside An angry voice and one who cried 'We'll give you everything and more The strain is too much, can't take much more Oh, I've walked on water, run through fire Can't seem to feel it anymore It was me, waiting for me Hoping for something more Me, seeing me this time Hoping for something else
I'm 57 and Joy Division is my favorite band I think of them every morning at dawn and watch some of their videos or just listen to some of the music. RIP. Ian Curtis
This I understand is people who take medication not meant for them (that the film control suggested he stole meds from his elderly neighbor.. something like SSRI or Zoloft types) which may have caused him to seize with other drugs. but it's strange because he watched someone seizure first and then suddenly he had them. Where they suggesting that his were caused by power of suggestion in his mind? a bit of a mystery and confusion
Mrs. Hudson Guessing that would be the pain of defeating fascism and then becoming a socialist pussy country. Perhaps this is the genesis of all that teen angst in England post 1945. Weak. Texas # 1.
@@yasminsouza3446 Sim, é um filme de 2007 baseado na biografia do vocalista do Joy Division, Ian Curtis, publicada por sua viúva em 1995. O título original do filme é "Control", inspirado na faixa "She's Lost Control".
Truly one of the most influential bands that pioneered the way to alternative rock. It's tragic that he lost his fight against the darkness before he could see the influence his music made.
Holy *#@%& does this song take me back. Listening to this INSTANTLY transports me back to the 80s, spending many a' day surfing Patrick's and 2nd light near Cocoa Beach FL, obsessing on Joy Division. And a little THC made it all so much better back in those days. : ) I'm in my 50s now and I still love this band. RIP Ian Curtis.
Удивительно, что все лучшие песни этого мира созданы в 20 веке юными людьми до 27 лет. Все великие группы взлетели на вершину популярности, когда их музыкантам было около 20 лет или чуть больше. А 21 век вообще ничего не дал этому миру.
My coworker and I would underwrite loans next to each other, listening to joy division and talk about how this band saved our lives as teenagers and we were 20 years in age apart.
Such a masterpiece! The introductory bass line & drums is unparallel...JD & early New Order are my favourites bands by far...! The 80s were great, miss it altought I was only a kid back then...
This song takes me back to a dark time, a time of fresh music, fresh beginnings, new experiences, uncertain futures, the uncertainty of the future, the sorrow of loss... I took the blame...
Love this with every time continuous sound webbed together like the spirals of loneliness and all the accepted fears of ones personal pain reflected through their life.
Una de las mejores canciones que escuche en mi vida, muy profundas sus letras, creo que su musica es algo muy inspirador y aunque sea de 1979 sigue sonando muy bien e innovador, saludos desde argentina
