Joy Division: The Poster Children Of Post-Punk | Amplified 

Yeah, Curtis really knew how to make those book things work.

My condolences to you on your father's death by suicide. I hope that you have many happy memories of your father's life to sustain you in your time of mourning and seek out the company of friends, family and professional therapy. I would also suggest a bereavement group where you will find others in need of comfort.

I'm so sorry to read that. Good you shared that here though, among friends from afar

watch it babes xx

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You were blessed 😇- Kudos to your dad to have that special connection in Joy Division. Condolences 💐 to you for your dad. 🥰

yes, the closer one gets to the edge the happier one seems

But when the laughter stops

I don’t think any had mistaken Ian for a happy person though.

I'm literally right here.

its because people in the end do not care about anyone but themselves.. The lonely few left that feel for others have to deal with that...

My dream gig.

@@unakennelly Una, you had to be there to believe it. Youth played such pulverizing bass patterns, I thought my ribcage would collapse. As for JD, they were in another league entirely. For a very short time Joy Division was the best group on the planet. Stay safe.

Hey i seen killing joke as the opener for tool they were still good even now

You sir, are like a time machine, and very very lucky to have been there.

@@RuiLuz I still have the 7" single of "Transmission". JD was a great band, who made equally great music.

I doesn't take much effort to understand the weight of his influence. After Hannett's demise, the bands that he produced went into a comatose state. They did not die but they did not flourish either. Not to mention the massive, spectacular quality discrepancy between live and studio performances.

JD themselves would agree. Martin gave JD something very special...... The test of time.

Martin Hannett has tracks of his own with group his group «Tiny Girls « or like that around that time period. Tracks were on some compilation album.

@@Tdub0911 Thanks for sharing your experience. That sounds very bad indeed. Very good points also. - We know Ian's epilepsy was deteriorating as more UK gigs were cancelled shortly before his death. So I can imagine how he felt privately about an American tour at that particular time. He'd be beset by increasing doubts, fears, insecurities, etc. With his personal/emotional life also in disarray, the collective pressures became intolerable. But I still sometimes wonder what might have been had they only stuck to the original plan of taking a longer break from touring & just focused on writing songs & more recording? They were an incredible band, despite their all-too-brief existence.

@@Tdub0911 honestly, I didn't know about the infrared light. my cousin's ex-wife had a "mild" seizure once when we were visiting and it scared the shit out of me. I cannot imagine having to go through that experience and the knowledge that it can hit you at any time is something else. hope you're doing better, mate.

One of my biggest "what if" questions I ponder is what if Joy Division had toured the U.S? Would they have been ignored and returned deflated OR would they have been like The Ramones and seriously changed some heads; create a new wave or even just create more bands in influence?

@@TheBalloonHoax I’m not sure how American audiences might have reacted to any band if a charismatic singer lasted only a few songs during some gigs, as happened in UK? In the UK we read reports of some fans rioting after Ian had to be taken off stage due to his epilepsy. But had Ian Curtis’s health held out, I think they’d have been a huge success in the U.S. I think this band was so good that their music would've had few problems breaking America. Not that they ever courted commercial success.

For sure!! Curtis definitely helped the rest of Joy Division in the direction they should take their music. Ceremony with Curtis singing was simply beautiful.

The crazy thing is Ian Curtis makes such good "lyrics" you can read them and still be transported. I put quotations around the word lyrics because I truly believe Ian was a poet. The sound of joy divison adds to Ian's words

Thanks for your Words... Cheers from Huntington Beach CA... I will always be that Deathrocker kid.. now ancient.. haha I'll be 49 this year.. peace

Spirit Son of Ian Curtis: #music ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-91A4hIqyjBU.html

@@dronniebrascowtf his lyrics were based on his life & especially his mental illness sadly.

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A lot of very early Warsaw/Joy division bootlegs came out of Germany, I’ve got ten of them. They definitely had a massive following there.

Well its not in German so your lying.

Can Vitamin C is a tune and Radioactivity by Kraftwerk, Joy Division ➗ Joy Division Transmission RCA session 1978 is definitely inspired by Kraftwerk sound, worth a listen!

@Stefan Blue leave old blues eyes out of this

@@NeverOddOreveN1 always nice seeing other CAN fans

The talking heads have definitely gotten fat.

Yeah I was struck 2 a. So vulnerable, maybe.

I'm a musician as well although solo without a band. I hear the bass diving into lead way more often than any band except for maybe the Canadian band forever known as Rush. Joy Division blasted through the minds of mediocrity and left a dramatic life long impression on me and the kind of music I enjoy playing. As with alot of session musicians I can play virtually anything out there but when I'm playing Joy Division I feel that the layer upon layer of sound allows me to branch off and play with them as a compliment rather than simply mimicking what the mainstream hears.. I usually don't like to draw a whole lot of attention to myself but when it gets warm here in Los Angeles ingot to keep a window open or two inside my home studio. A friend of mine who is storing some of his possessions in my garage said that when I was playing Shadow play and 24 hours he observed several people walking by and stopping and listening even hearing someone who he estimated being in their 60s say thst sounds so inviting and so cool yet so familiar but could t seem to figure out what songs they were. Joy Division was truly a trailblazing force and has given me inspiration to create my own little Post punk Rock and Roll type atmosphere that for at least a short period of time make me a rock star as well. What all of you don't know is that my music comes from simply playing the piano. I'm not a guitaris bassist or a drummer and don't have any formal training other than learning on my own over the last decade. Yet I can play to Joy Division songs and melodies and sport my own style thst makes people's heads turn and say wtf that's sounds so incredible so fresh and lively. Their music may be forgotten by the end of this century. But it's timeless influence has gotten me so dialed into my instrument and I will forever know that because of their influence on my expression of music has and will be the the most profound effect on my life.

Still is. I’m going to his concert on May (if it happens. It was supposed to be May 2020)

Pistols were only around a few years and are still influencial now..great danny boyle series on London scene

Numan is awesome a lot of punk is tiresome

It's not Madness. It's Joy Division.

Had no clue who they were until I watched the movie '24 Hour Party People'.

Better late than never buddy!

Busy doin cat stuff man.

Same

Same here, maybe we are late but we are here. Much love

nobody since? really?

@@BootsORiley -If you can name a band where the bass is as interesting I’m all ears. Mostly bass went back to being as simple as possible. Mostly guitar and piano lead. In some hip hop you might get a riff. Nirvana had one good bassline on Bleach and I’m still waiting for a good bass centered band. I would love to be pleasantly surprised again. Where are the future Peter Hooks or David J’s? Mike Watt is perhaps the greatest bass player America produced. The Velvet Underground and the Stooges were the first bands to use cool bass lines. Lady Godiva’s Operation by the Velvets or Dirt by the Stooges come to mind. Mike Watt played some cool lines in FIREHOSE in late 80’s, but he got drafted in the Stooges reunion. His two bass band Dos with Kira was cool, but apart from that, bass went back to just filling the space between keys/guitar and the drums. Flea plays a great bass, and yet I don’t hear him leading enough in RHCP to make him center of the song. Tones on Tail had a few good lines and then came Love and Rockets and it all went away. David J now writes really great songs on acoustic guitar and piano and we are now in the future of no good bass lines. It’s making me want to go buy a bass and start tinkering like I used to. But, I might be the only one listening.

​ If Peter Hook & Davi J are the pinnacle of "interesting" bass, then there's really not a whole lot i could do to change your mind. "Interesting" is subjective, and your mind is set. surely you are familiar with Victor Wooten? His work in the Flecktones? Stuart Hamm? if you aren't well versed with those two bassists, then you aren't adequately equipped with nearly enough knowledge on the subject, to be quite honest with you. And if you are quite familiar and you claim to not find them and what they have done for the instrument "interesting", then i can only reduce that you are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. i will still spoon feed you decades of knowledge regardless. But, the truth is, currently, there are players on social media like Instagram and RU-vid like Charles Berthoud who could legitimately hang with Victor Wooten and the greats. There are plenty of otherwordly bassists to this day. The torch got passed down after Joy Division, Owen. As far as Krist N goes, he had a great bassline on Nevermind, too. On "Lounge Act". His acoustic work to serve the song on The Man Who Sold the World cover was excellent as well. He was rock solid, very under-appreciated bassist. There are *two* great licks fr Bleach, btw, "Blew", and "Love Buzz".Bleach held up incredibly well over time, in my opinion. Les Claypool inspired countless people to pick up the bass, i of no exception, especially during his most explorative years (around '99 - '04). Like Primus during the Hallucino-Genetics Tour (2003), Oysterhead, a supergroup w Stewart Copeland and Trey Anastasio, his band with guitarist Buckethead - who is an absolute monster on the guitar - as well as Parliament Funkadelic synthesist Bernie Worrell, and also his band The Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, which was mostly centered around improvised jams. Check out: Oysterhead - Mister Oysterhead, Frog Brigade: Thela Hun Ginjeet (it's a King Crimson cover, a band also revered for their interesting bassist who would end up inspiring Tool) Ryan Martinie's work on L.D. 50 was groundbreaking bass guitar for the prog metal, math metal genre We're not going to forget about the king of Jewish thump, Geddy Lee in Rush. Eric Judy's playing in Modest Mouse might be the only thing you might find palpable. Him and Armistead Burwell Smith from Pinback. Maybe the playing on the Built To Spill records. Mike Watt is a living legend, and he inspired Matt Freeman. check out: Rancid - Maxwell Murder. The rest of that album, ...And Out Come the Wolves, is a 10/10 punk rock album in my opinion, and it's absolutely dominated by that gritty, punchy, snarling sound that Mike was getting on that fIREHOSE project, as well as Freeman's diligence, carrying the album. You legit might like that if you like Mike Watt. In the 80s, Hook wasn't the only European bloke playing the bass really well. Have you already forgotten Mark King from Level 42? Or is that echelon of bass playing while simultaneously singing really not "interesting" to you? Some would argue that Colin fr Radiohead, Geezer fr Sabbath, Ox fr The Who, Dino Paladino, Guy Pratt fr david Gilmour, Jonas Hellborg, and Justin fr Tool should be mentioned in the same breath as any other European bassists. If not pioneering (Geezer for heavy metal bass and influenced bassists like Cliff Burton who influenced countless others) or Colin (he shined on one of the 90s most groundbreaking records [OK Computer]), then surely Justin's syncopated, textured polyrhythms in 21/8 (in 7empest) might interest you? You can find him leading the charge throughout many of Tool's passages since their Lateralus record, very interesting use of odd time signature seamlessly blended with the processing side of his rig (sub octave envelope filters, parameter-controlled phase shifters via expression pedals, his new custom fuzz octave wah pedal, etc). The way he makes all of this work and work well within the confines of something as busy and mathematically demanding as Tool is an art within itself while pushing all of that air with his custom Wal bass and 18 inch speakers, while still allowing the guitarist to breathe, and the drummer to work his magic (consider to be the best in the world) Marcus Miller - "Power" Jaco Pastorius. look, i could keep going on and on and on, but if Peter Hook is your idea of peak performance on the bass guitar, then i really should say no more.

@@BootsORiley - The way he wrote for Unknown Pleasures was to put the bass in the forefront melodically. It wasn’t about chops, it was about taking a background instrument and making it foreground. Yes Tool is perhaps the greatest psych rock band and they are amazing, but it gets dark to the point for me I check out a bit. Primus is great, and all that is wonderful but it doesn’t have the same feel to me. I appreciate all the artists you mentioned. I probably have to investigate further and I will based on any unfamiliar to me. Really I am looking for hypnotic/ melodic lines more than the blistering assault of speed / prog/ death metal. I am always in favor of an acoustic double bass whenever possible. For me a line like “Step Right Up” by Tom Waits is entertaining as anything. My aesthetic leans towards the element of surprise more than just a heavy approach. David J was a surprisingly inventive player putting fretless electric bass through distortion. I love players like Fernando Saunders on Lou Reed’s The Blue Mask. That kind of playing gets my attention most. My favorite kind of bass line would be The Lizard by Robyn Hitchcock. My thought is make it groove more than be punishing. So for that, I am on the hunt always. Tracy Pew of Birthday party was cool. Barry Adamson is cool. Those kind of players are the ones I have a lot of love for.

@@owenwilberforce6138 “it was about taking a background instrument and making it foreground” I’m grateful he did that, as it paved the way for other greats to shine. Ox and Jaco and many others came before him, but I’m glad Joy Division made room in its music for that. I will listen to Unknown Pleasure with more intent and single out Peter more - you do know what you’re talking about - although honing in on Justin from Tool seems alarming when I named (in my mind) far more interesting players. Do you think that because I named Tool’s bassist that I’m drawn to brutal intense speed bass? Listen to how he supports the track on “Disposition”. He’s possibly the most versatile bassist I named, tbh. Surely it’s not because I name checked Ryan Martinie? If so, you didn’t do enough investigating. I don’t listen to their playing because of speed or “punishing” bass lines. I prefer melody and intent and service to song. Mark King was speed and dexterity maybe, and not a great example, perhaps, and Marcus Miller may fall into that category. But to say they’re uninteresting players or didn’t do much for the instrument in the 80s along w Stanley Clarke would be extremely short sighted. I saw Claypool play a set of Tom Waits song once. Very cool. We listen to bass guitar for very different reasons, and that’s ok. There’s really nothing I could say to change your mind. I can’t force you to hear the bass like I do and vice versa.

Right. Hooky is such a decent bloke.

No mate the sound and anything Adrian borland

This is one of a series of docs called "under review" made in the UK like 15+yrs ago. Many different artists were covered in this series. I watched the "under review" doc on velvet underground years ago.

This channel doesn't make these documentaries, but you can ask them to get permission from the original creator for more. There is one made about The Smiths, but sadly not The Cure or Stone Roses.

@@SaintMartins There is a doc about Stone Roses out there called Blood on the Turntables. All anyone has to do is search for the band on youtube with "documentary" and see what comes up. There are things about The Cure as well, out there.

The cure slaps harder than my dad

Silly to say they don't get credit - they are recognised now far more than they were in 79-80

17 here, Fontaines DC are the best band in the world right now. There is no question that they are doing things that the 100 most popular artists in the world could never dream of

Totally agree. Absolutely beautiful record. Gonna have it played at my funeral.

They simply licensed it from somewhere, it says at the end it was made in 2006 by someone.

@@eboethrasher Correctamundo.

MH?

@@sandgrownun66 Michael Hutchins INXS

@@JasonSavorn Michael Hutchence.

@@sandgrownun66 correct 👍 sorry 😞

Sorry reither i mean

direct6ed by Anton Corbijn, who also directed the JD film, Control..!

I thought that> Poster Children?

Psychedelic Furs Rule!

The guy on the documentary probably just says that coz Joy Division are considered the best Post Punk band ever.

You can try to twist it but I was there in the day in NorthWest England and it wasn't . We were then and still are "far right" as they call it.

Sid Vicious would usually wear a t-shirt with a swastika on it.

Yeah, great flick. Just a little bit 'iffy' with the truth! (Tony Wilson wouldn't have it any other way! "Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn") but you're right. It's a great watch.

@@brazenlilhussy5975 yeah it's supposed to be a kind of exaggerated example of the whole sub scene

It probably still is exciting if you're 14

If you were a teen at the time then you are a boomer.

@@helenbartoszek243 I find it difficult to draw a rigid line in the classification of generations. If born in the mid 60's the relationship to the so called baby boomers is somewhat lacking. There are differing views on where the line is drawn. It is like a comparison of the two television series Happy Days and That 70's Show. Seemingly two shows about growing up in two eras roughly 20 years apart, which I think was no accident on the creator's intention of the later. The band of Billy Idol called Generation X was aptly named to relate to a certain disenchantment of feeling at the time along with the punk and post punk scene in general. If anything there is another term known as the doom generation that is perhaps a better description of youth that became of age in the time we are discussing.

If you were a teen at the time, you are a boomer.

@@sharksport01 Born in 63. I know there are differing opinions. Obviously the members of Joy Division are Boomers. Post WW2 born between 1946 and 1964 are considered Boomers. By the end of the cycle things had changed so much it's hard to compare the early to later individual reality. The nihilistic mentality of the Gen Xers was already creeping in. As apposed to the failed peace love movement of the Hippies.