Joyboy’s Crew Failed Him 800 Years Ago. Here’s What Happened 

800 years ago.. the raid ACTUALLY failed…!

Morj failed to put out the Wano Analysis. Here's what happened.

“No man is an island”… *Avalo Pizarro and Zunesha enters that chat*

Cant wait for the spoken joyboy line animated in 1.5 years

They didn't believe 100% that he could win. Their faith wavered. That's why they didn't win.

Maybe the real reason the world government will fall are the friends along the way.

My off-the-cuff theory is that Imu was originally part of JoyBoy's crew and there was a rift between him and JoyBoy similarly to that of Luffy and Usopp in Water 7 only that time the rift was never healed and JoyBoy never grew past that point as a captain.

His crew aligned with the traitor D => the one BlackBeard inherited his will from.

Hold my Binks Sake.

so...the One Piece is the power of friendship

The whole idea Joyboy's crew parallels the scabbards is nice and all... But how does a story like that make Roger laugh?

I just wish the story would focus on the strawhats more. They've been getting pushed to the side since they got to the new world.

I don't think it's that deep, joy boy was probably just winging it as the first pirate and put up a good fight but lost and as a last resort put processes in place so someone could succeed him. The crew probably did all they could and were expected to do but are blaming themselves because it was still a failure and with the benefit of hindsight they are thinking about "what if" they did more.

That means there may be a traitor in joyboys crew as well.

How did joyboy lost the war and how will luffy's going to win.... Here's a theory what makes the difference between luffy and joyboy?.... their powers are probably the same and the only difference that we could speculate their crew or allies. When the void century war happened there could be a stage when joyboy's allies must take a decision and may be they make a decision against joyboy (probably they tricked by imu or someone from 20 kingdoms) and that leads to joyboy's loss.they probably lacks of loyalty or belief towards joyboy or ancient kingdom.And after joyboy's loss they realised that they had been tricked and wronged joyboy.Maybe because of that zunisha and the giant robot apologising to joyboy. And like mihawk said the greatest strength of luffy is make people around him his allies.We all know the loyalty of luffy's crew.They all believe in him. like the void century war the decision making stage would repeat in the luffy vs world government war and luffy's allies will believe luffy unlike joyboy and make decision in favour of luffy.And that will lead to their victory.

What if instead of joyboy he was called freakboy and instead of bringing joy he brought freakyness

I think part of it, and something we see in Oden as well, is a failure to rely on his crew. Of course the crew see that as a failure of themselves, but really it's up to a good leader to use their subordinates.

I'll just say right off the bat before finishing the video that I think you hit the nail on the head here morj, the amount of subtle hints we've been getting about joy boy since Fishman Island are finally starting to neatly stack back together

this is the power of friendship explained with romanticism. This is how you do it. Much more satisfying.

This all makes sense until we realise that the straw hats failed at Sabaody despite luffy having them all by his side

At the 11:00 mark you’d been making many comparisons to joyboy’s crew being left and joyboy being taken out. Pretty much everything is applicable to Roger too. His crew was waiting at key spots for their chance to act

You know, if Joyboy had a representative for each of Luffy's crew, Zunesha being Chopper and Robonosuke being Franky, it could be an interesting way to make the concept of the chosen one flip upside down. Luffy may have the destined devil fruit and be the destined person, but if Oda were to show us each of Joyboy's crew and how they failed, it would be a very interesting way to wrap up the series because it would emphasize that even though Luffy was the chosen one, he only succeeded because his friends succeeded in helping him.

I mean, the Straw-Hat crew is becoming less and less important to the overall plot of One Piece. I hope they get the spotlight in the final saga, making this theory true, but that is not what is happening at the moment. Yamato, Kidd, Tama and Law were more fundamental to defeating the Yonko. In this Arc, Bonney is flashed out as fundamental to defeat the WG etc, etc.

Fantastic video as always Mr Morj!

Great video

Fine work as ALWAYS Morj. By the way, you inspired an idea for a tattoo I'd like to get now. Thanks

I think what happened is what we just saw in the latest chapter. Jb's crew didn't trust JB like the SH's trust Luffy. JB might have had a stupid plan he didn't tell his crew and they didn't have blind fait in him hence they failed.

It’s videos like this that make me want to reread all of one piece again

Nice video. I live it!

Marshall D. member of Joyboy's crew was the kanjuro of that era

Went from a story about a kid on an adventure to a epic about gods and reincarnation and random bullshit

Recent 150 Chapters?? We knew of Joyboy back in Fishman Island.

I think another possible aspect of this might be that Joyboys crew were lacking in a way that made him have to go help them, thereby losing to Imu Luffys crew on the other hand will be so self reliant and strong at their core in their own right that Luffy won't have to check his back to make sure they are safe He can rely on Zoro to be strong enough to beat whoever is Number Two in the enemy forces He can rely on Sanjis and Namis intelligence to organize the crew He can rely on Chopper to stablize whenever someone gets hurt The Strawhats without Luffy are still a crew. He can be the strongest without having to check they can keep up, because THEY CAN. He doesn't have to be anxious, he can full focus on whatever top dog needs a beating. Oden was great but lost because someone tricked him into letting his guard down and making him believe his son was in danger Whitebeard was great because he had his familys back no matter what, his back was unwounded. Roger was the Pirate King, maybe as strong as Luffy (will be) and Joyboy but just at the wrong time. He didn't have to protect anyone because he was strong enough and his crew was aswell Luffy can be care free because his crew has his back and he does not waver for a second to believe they will handle whatever happens while he does the tough shit. It's clear what objective each party has, Luffy goes haywire and the crew has his back, period.

Great analysis

his greatest strength is what Michael said at marinford, his ability to turn those around him onto his side

I swear you and I have the same mind. Because literally every time I come up with a theory and tell it to my friends. You make a video speaking on that same exact theory I suggested. Great minds.

Kuma also complimented luffys crew in thriller bark

The Post Marineford arc connection was so brilliant. This is why I watch your vids Morj. You know how to dissect this story

Hopefully the story focuses more on the strawhats than nika. This arc was supposed to be frankys arc but its more nika centered. By the way elbaf is setting up. It sounds like it will be more Nika centered than Usopp

I think the D. Clan are the descendants of the members of Joyboy's crew's bloodlines. Possibly with the Monkey family being the direct descendants of Joyboy himself. That would be epic honestly.

Agree, in fact, thats why Oden failed. Oden only trust the Scabbards at the end . Before he didnt even want followes. If he had share with the scabbards his deal with Kaido and Orochi they would have tell him that they were lying.

Joy Boy was introduced and built-up as a central mystery in Fishmen Island.

"No one man is an island" Pizarro: *ahem*

Except it was Oden who let his "crew" down, not the other way around.

Imu was one of his friend, betraying cuz Lily fell for JoyBoy

"Here's what happened." "By the way, I have no idea actually, I'm just speculating."

So "Power of Friendships" 😂

Morj and Artur gotta be the best one piece analyzers

Amazing

Mihawk literally said what Luffy's greatest strength is. 🔥

I am kinda disappointed in the marines, it seems figures like Sengoku and such were already aware of the events stated by Vegapunk and most likely they rather supported the Ohara incident rather than leaking the truth to the world. This seriously questions Garp's morality as well. It seems only Dragon decided to walk the morally correct path. And in the current Marines it seems Fujitora, Smoker and Sword members are the only non corrupted ones, most like for being new in the ranks or being exposed to different view points.

Bruh just repeated joyboys crew failed for 16 mins whilst pointing out the obvious. What they failed and how they failed is the question we have alongside why they were even fighting to begin with?

Morj, you are a treasure to the One Piece community.

the friends along the way is the ultimate power lol

Bro said in title "Here's what happened" and the whole video is him yapping "strawhats are great" and obviously didn't till us what happened

People forget but ryuuma was also part of joy boys crew (theoretically since he didn't say much before he poofed) he left wano during the same time joyboy was alive, he killed a dragon which made him a legend in wano, he died from what seems to be sword slashes on his body which could have been the 20 kings, he never made it back to wano and his corpse was later used by moria. Ryuma seemed to be of the same family line as zoro and even gave him his sword as if to say 'this is your time now, don't fail like I did'. If he was known as the greatest swordman of his generations (by wano citizens) that mean that their could have been either a stronger swordsman then him out there, or he was betrayed along side joyboy and choose to die alongside his captian rather then submit.

The bare thought of the straw hats having their moments to shine that helps Luffy beating Imu gives me goosebumps

Morj predicted the raid failing he was just 800 years to late

joy boy didn't had plot armor

Joyboy is going to have an Eyepatch

the man marked by flames is Jaguar D. Saul

It's still a bit early to say that all these people were part of the Joy Boy Crew, they could very well just be external allies who were part of the Joy Boy Faction since unlike the Straw Hats they were fighting a war against 20 different kingdoms

I feel you on the "he needs his friends" thing, but him and his whole squad got beat TF down shortly before MarineFord on Sabaody.

Take all the time you need

Who else gets goosebumps I’ve been on this show since the year it released I’ve waited my whole life for thissss

I think what always gets me about these head canon theories is that the assumption boils down to ‘Oda is trying to say this in his writing’. There’s also this notion of being some grandiose writing critic. It’s just like with the recent Bonney issue. Does anyone but me just enjoy reading it weekly without some sort of assumption leading into it?

Maybe Imu was someone like Kanjuro in Joyboy's crew , not the whole family line issues, but was once part of the crew but betrayed him due to the differences in views. So Imu gathered up the 20 kings and fought against Joy Boy's crew, knowing all their weaknesses .. and after seized power and ruled ever since then.

I agree and disagree with this theory. I really hope each and every member of the Strawhat Pirates plays some key role in the defeat of The World Goverment and Celestial Dragons. I don't know if that means they all get Haki or Devil Fruit powers, I don't know. Either way, I'll be very disappointed if only Luffy, Zoro Sanji, and Jinbe get the spotlight because I've been wondering about this concept for a long time. Robin, Chopper, Franky and Brook aren't as strong as other members, but they can fight and take care of themselves. The weakest links of the Strawhat crew for me are: Nami and Ussop. Get mad all you want, I already know about she's the navigator and he's only a man...well don't entire a massive warzone if you can't fight, and need your friends to always bail you out. It's either that or be ready to die. If the Final War Arc really is going to make the Marineford Arc look like a joke, then I'm very worried for The Strawhat crew. Luffy struggled in that massive battle post-timeskip. Who are the factions going to be in this Final War? We got The Revolutionary Army, The Strawhat Grand Fleet, Other liberated Nations like Alabasta, Dressrosa, Amazon Lily, Zuneisha, and Emet. They will all be fighting against Imu, The Gorosei, The Holy Knights, Cipher Pol, The Marines, The Seraphim, SWORD, and maybe nations forced to fight on their behalf? People like Koby, Garp, Aokiji, Fujitora, and other marines might defect over to Luffy's side during the battle. Shanks will definitely fight for Luffy and to destroy the World Goverment as long as he isn't evil. I still think Kaido and Big Mom aren't dead and escaped during the Volcanic eruption if it wasn't them who created it. That would mean both emperors and their crews would return. They might fight for Luffy, but they will probably just fight to overthrow the World Government. I'm sure Oda will set up all of the factions and key players when the time comes, however whether you agree or disagree one thing is clear and cannot be disputed: This Final War will determine the fate of the world and if everybody survives then it won't feel realistic. I'm not saying everybody needs to die, but if it's like Wano where a few minor characters don't make it, Oda will fail in that regard. Kishimoto did the same thing with Naruto. Killing off cannon fodder that didn't matter to begin with. Also, understanding the entire history of Joyboy, The Void Century, Imu, The Ancient Weapons, The Will of D, and how all these mysteries connect is crucial for understanding the villain's motivations and backstory. That's why people hated Kaido's backstory. He was this major hyped-up character that got a five second backstory before he was defeated, that's bad writing.

great video morj! This idea may also foreshadow some kind of major defeat for luffy, while the strawhats are the ones that save him

Luffy stays behind on Egghead to fight off Five Elders, and tells the crew to leave him behind. He gets captured by the WG and they announce his execution. This leads the SHs to feeling like they failed their captain similarly to how Joyboy's crew and the Scabbards felt. This will lead them to rally the entire SH fleet for a final arc rescue operation.

I’m curious if it’s less that he didn’t have a good enough crew and more that he didn’t trust them or was so scared to lose them he didn’t let them fight or held them back until it was too late.

I totally agree, I have always thought that the gorosei and Imu were part of Joyboy's crew along with Zunesha, Poseidon and Emeth. I think the key point of the story was that the Gorosei under the leadership of Imu betrayed Joyboy and agreed to peace with the 20 kingdoms, turning the royal families into Tenryubito, the gorosei as the highest power and Imu as the ruler in the shadows. . Maybe that's the reason for the narrative theme of betrayal between pirates that Oda has been insisting on since the beginning of the manga

JB was basically LeBron on the Cavs during his first stint

I can make a potential comparison to Goku in Joyboy- he's so strong that the rest of the crew felt like they couldn't catch up to him- some of the members gave into cowardice when they themselves were threatened- giving into self-prerservation over integrity, which they regret to this day and maybe a Vegeta rival decided to side with Imu because they were so frustrated over the unfairness of the power gap- that they'd sell their metaphorical soul to close the gap.

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I think what we saw in the most recent chapter is incredibly important. Sanji and franky would go so far as to use their strongest attacks laced with haki on luffy without a second of hesitation just because he asked even though he’s fighting an invincible opponent. They’re loyal and will follow luffy’s command no matter what. I don’t think joyboy’s crew failed in terms of strength, after all one punch from the robot did more damage to a gorisei than luffy could do throughout this whole fight. But I bet his crew failed because they didn’t believe in him like the straw hats believe in luffy. I bet that in one short but critical moment, joyboy’s crew doubted him and it ultimately cost him his life and brought about the 800 years of world government. After all, zunesha and the robot are sorry because they failed joyboy, rather than striving to get stronger because their strength was insufficient. It seems as tho they’re perfectly strong enough, but their failure was a choice so there’s no real way to remedy that other than to keep moving forward

I'm getting strong "we're about to get two new nakamas" vibes. Hear me out: CP0 is definitely kicking Stussy out and might even kill her. While Kaku might have considered taking Stussy back if given the power, authority, and chance, we all know that Lucci would definitely exterminate her if he were in Kaku's shoes-unless Oda throws in a major plot twist, like Lucci having a crush on her and forgiving her. However, Stussy herself has revealed that with Stella's death, she feels her life has no purpose anymore. Unless it turns out that the huge brain is the real Stella or Stella somehow gets revived, the only thing left for Stussy is death. Staying on Egghead means certain death at the hands of the Gorosei and the buster call. However, I don't think she's suicidal; otherwise, she would have given up on life after Stella's death. Yet, she's still trying to belong to CP0 and asking Kaku for forgiveness and a second chance. So, let's consider her options for escaping the island (at least the one we officially know about): - Government ships (e.g., those used by the Gorosei, Kizaru, the Vice Admirals, and the usual cannon fodder Marines) - The giants - CP0 - The Strawhats Since we've established that she's still clinging to life and not suicidal, I think she might desperately try to sneak onto the Strawhats' ship. Among all these groups, the Strawhats make the most sense. Why? Unless CP0 and the government forgive her (which is unlikely), the government will chase her as a criminal, and she'll end up on wanted posters. Between the giants and the Strawhats, the logical choice is the Strawhats. Luffy is a Yonko, and as we've seen in the story, the government refrains from carelessly involving themselves with Yonkos. So, Stussy's best bet would be the Strawhats. This is why I believe we might see her joining the crew similarly to how Robin did post-Alabasta, appearing out of nowhere on the ship. As a clone, she has a strong desire to belong and feel like a real human. That's why I think by the end of the arc, not just Bonney, but also Stussy, will join the Strawhats or at least try to become a member and ask to join. Now that we have a clearer understanding of Bonney's journey, we can see that her primary goal was to save her father and reunite with him. However, now that they have reconnected, the story is implying that Kuma most probably won't be back as she knew him. That said, with her mission accomplished, Bonney lacks a compelling reason to continue sailing. Additionally, we know that after the Marineford War, Bonney's crew was defeated by the Blackbeard Pirates. She was captured by Admiral Akainu and taken to Marine Headquarters but somehow managed to escape, leaving her crew behind. This implies that her crew either perished or disbanded since there is no indication that Bonney attempted to regroup them. Given these circumstances, it seems improbable that Bonney would join the Strawhats. However, her initial purpose for sailing has been fulfilled, and she now possesses control over one of the World Government's most powerful weapons: an army of Pacifistas. This makes her a significant target for the World Government, likely even drawing the attention of CP0. Considering her precarious position, it would be advantageous for Bonney to align herself with a powerful crew. Joining forces with a Yonko crew, like the Strawhats, could provide her with the protection she needs. The World Government tends to avoid direct confrontations with Yonko crews to prevent large-scale wars and other potentially disastrous consequences in the One Piece world. And what greater twist could there be than for her to join forces with the legendary figure from her father's stories, Nika himself? What do you guys think?

All i gotta say is that Oda probably has another bombshell tragic backstory of JoyBoy and his crew waiting for us, and my snot tissues are ready.

What if there was a 1 to 1 relation between JB's crew and Luffy's? Maybe Emesh is their Franky, Zunesha is their Chopper, Lili is their Vivi and Toki is their Nami (or Bonney). They all were similar to the SH crew, and stronger, but worse at what they were suposed to do. Or maybe they individually were even greater than the current SH crew, but they lack the sheer faith they have in one another.

I wonder if Imu was Kaido or Kanjuro in this analogy?

That actually makes sense tho. Robot could be Franky, Zunesha Chopper, Ryuma Zoro, but what about the rest of them

We heard about Joyboy at fishman island, not in the last few hundred chapters

So the other (non monster trio) strawhats are going to matter more now?

There's only one way to live and that's with no regrets.

I personally believe that just like there was an imposter in the 9 scabbards, there would've been in the Joyboy's crew, someone who was set up by the current world government in disguise. That person could also be a shape shifting monster such as how people speculate that Blackbeard actually has multiple personalities.

Vivi gonna get kumas fruit just like lili may have had, if Kuma dies on the sunny it could respawn as a tangerine

Was Joyboy not mentioned back in skypeia and Fishman island first?

Luffys lowest moments and defeats came when he was separated from his crew adding more weight to how they really are the key to his success in being the World Government

I think along with this it could also be that a person in Joyboy’s crew betrayed him and led the others astray. So Emeth and Zunesha could be apologising for believing the lie about Joyboy and hence failing him. This traitor could be the other evil will of D, Rocks and Blackbeard

I don't know about it being a matter of Joy Boy's crew just not being strong enough, I think it was probably something like, they lost faith in him or let themselves be tricked into betraying him

"No man is an island" What about Avalo Pizarro?

How fucking cool would it be, after a flashback of imu defeating joyboy and his crew, the first time Imu sees luffy in person he isn’t just leading his crew and the straw hat fleet but joyboys crew as well. Would make a crazy panel

I think Joyboy’s time had a lot of betrayals and surprises. He more than likely didn’t have Luffy’s ability to sniff out bad people

Mihawk said what luffys greatest attribute is! Bringing people together!!

From this, it’s obvious someone betrayed Joyboy, betrayed the crew

Oh no... four poneglyphs... four emperors... four seas... one poneglyph from each emperor, each of those four poneglyphs originating from one of the four seas, each of those emperors also coming from one of the four seas. Roger having found all four by traversing the grandline... oh no. Rayleigh stop me.

Luffy has also turned enemies/antagonists into allies throughout the story. Luffy even has earned respect from members of the Marines...who are supposed to be supporting the world government. Did Joy Boy or Oden ever do that? Can he possibly win over the Blackbeard pirates the way he won over membere of Big Mom's family?

If you take the parallels between the Red Scabbards and Joyboy's old crew, you could speculate that Joyboy has a traitor among his crew. Maybe they'll be the ancestors of people like Blackbeard.