“I bought the red car so I could dismantle it.” In real life, the auto companies did actually buy up all the trolleys and trams in the country and destroy them so that the interstate highway system would have no competition from public transportation. Truly disgusting.
And it came with good timing, the trams were not doing too well financially and were in dire need of a modern replacement. While places like the San Francisco Bay Area got a replacement (BART) and some transit systems survived (i.e. New York City and Philadelphia), the same cannot be said for the rest of the country.
I should know, I met the fella. Great guy, but rather quiet in reality. At least he autographed my Blu-ray of the film, and my back to the future trilogy, and my scale model DeLorean.
Imagine you're a toon. You're functionally immortal. You never age, probably never really get sick. There hasn't been a single thing that has been able to kill a toon. The worst thing that could happen to you is losing your stardom and ending up being forgotten. Then this dude, who's crazy AF and hates toons, invents something that not only can kill you, but does so almost instantly, in a gruesome and painful manner. You go out suffering, bad. Imagine how you'd react to seeing it. And THAT'S why Jessica freaks out so bad.
Actually, Doom didn't need to invent anything; he used--if I remember correctly from my own days doing cel animation--ethyl acetate, the chemical we used to erase and alter parts of cel art or simply to clean a whole cel for reusing.
@@johnmayer4178He didn't invent the individual chemicals, but rather the specific combination that is completely, instantly lethal to all toons no matter how they're drawn or with what. It's paint thinner from hell.
And adding to the fact that Judge Doom was a toon himself but not like the others but rather a toon with such realistic human goals and ambitions that he was willing to commit _genocide_ (an exclusive human trait) against his own people to fulfill that goal makes him so much more than "just a toon" but even less human that he pretended to be.
@@Draknfyre - No, he didn't invent the combination, either. As I said … I used to do old-fashioned cell animation and I chuckled when I saw _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ during its original release and appreciated this inside joke
@@johnmayer4178 Ethyl Acetate is a specific, individual chemical. Yes, it's a solvent used for that plus other things. It's also clear. Dip is not Ethyl Acetate, it's a combination of other solvents that are specifically named in the movie: Turpentine, Acetone, and Benzine. The joke is that it's three different common solvents used in paint removal being combined to make a lethal solvent for toons. Just because you used a different solvent in your job does not make dip THAT solvent.
This is the only non-anime show where I've seen the bad guy do that thing with his glasses where the light shines off of them and you can't see his eyes.
The dark and obscured glasses imply that he's hiding something or there is some sort of emotional or social distance from him and everyone else. If you look closely enough, you can see his eyes, and you'll notice that his eyes are constantly wide open and he never blinks. 1: It implies that he is a psychopath, and 2: It betrays the fact that his eyes are fake and he's actually a toon.
They did this purposefully to capture that look. Doom wore the glasses to help conceal his eyes which never blinked. The glare helped hide how inhuman he was.
Not to mention drivers or passengers may have *the worst choice and taste in travel music *Randy Sauer Childrens Songs, Pinkfong , Barney all were referred to the worst songs to listen to when you travel given their Gooey, boring, annoying, sugary, nature of their songs as opposed to the 4 heavenly kings (Andy Lau, Jacky Cheung, Aaron Kwok and Leon Lai),
Yup. GM bought up train systems all over the country and dismantled them. They offered their motorcoaches and cars as substitutes. (Judge Doom could also be Robert Moses.)
One night I watched Who framed Roger rabbit? with My Mum, This scene was playing and When Judge Doom said "Traffic jams will be a thing of the past..." Mum said "As if, Even with Freeways Traffic Jams are still a thing today!" And I was snickering...
Bro I swear, it's a different highway expansion bro. I swear bro it'll fix traffic. Just one more lane bro. Please just build it bro. It has a boulevard bro.
The plot of this film was based on General Motors doing this exact same thing around that time. LA did have one of the best transportations systems in the world, which general motors butchered so people would be forced to buy cars and drive on the freeway.
It's true GM even brought the LA Subway so they can destroyed it, build freeways and make Californians drive their way to malls, businesses and in and out of their homes. It works resulting in pollution and global climate change.
To be honest, the streetcar wasn't profiting well and the railcars were beginning to show their age. But a rapid transit replacement (similar to the Paris Metro) that was either underground or in the middle of freeways was considered. Some of these plans were eventually recycled into the railway network today but as light rail.
@@jacobtennyson9213 Forget his character, but he was in One Flew Over The Cuco's Nest. And years later he was re-united with Danny DeVito on that show Taxi.
I read somewhere that this movie was sort of about the General Motors Trolley Conspiracy, especially this part. Judge Doom basically embodies General Motors.
@@jacobtennyson9213 Whilst that's technically true, and whilst they were charged for conspiracy for it and buying other transit lines, the Redcar was already struggling financially by the time National City Lines bought it. After WW2, yearly riders dropped by 80 million and they were already dismantling several street cars. This happened mostly because more people started using cars and the congestion was slowing streetcars down to a crawl. General Motors simply took advantage of an already bad situation.
@@Brian-rx9sp los angles railway (yellow car) served more local lines. THAT was bought out by national city lines. Pacific electric, (more extensive and served as more of an interurban network) it was owned by a real estate company and the southern pacific railway. the two systems essentially complimented each-other. Pacific electric made its money 2 ways: freight, and real estate. The rail service only existed to connect the lucrative real estate in the 1920s being built to the rest of LA, as transit allowed them to raise the prices of the properties they were selling. This, along with the freight, allowed the passenger service to lose money while as a whole the company gained money. This wasn’t a problem until cars became more popular, obviously. PE has a pretty unique decline in my opinion because of the freight and the fact it was owned by southern pacific
*Trivia Fact* I'd just learnt: This film's "Cloverleaf freeway plot" was said to had been inspired by the plotline for what was apparently supposed to be an unproduced third _Chinatown_ film, which itself was to be titled *_Cloverleaf,_* which was apparently supposed to be J. J. Gittes investigating into a corporate conspiracy to dismantle the Red Car company to build a freeway system, and the consequence of air pollution included in it, which it self was based on an actual event that actually happened in the 1940s when auto and car comps. like General Motors put the Red Car system out of business in favor of the freeway system.
James Howard Kunstler opens his critique of postwar suburbia, "The Geography of Nowhere" (1993), citing this scene. Worth a read. Judge Doom, of course, is a symbol of the forces that have turned the American landscape into hideous sprawl and called it "progress." Clever of the script writers to parody developers this way. I wonder how much of the audience got the irony.
There's a rumor that the script was based off of a sequel to Chinatown that never got picked up, but if so the influence can be clearly seen: a real historical conspiracy tied up with Southern California history that was fictionalized.
If you switch “Toontown” for Downtown you can see what happened to many cities in California after they began building suburbs and flattened Main Street for a bypass.
Just substitute "minorities" for "toons" and you have real life once again, since minorities (e.g. the kind that performed at the -Ink & Paint- Cotton Club) happened to inhabit most of the neighborhoods that were cleared and demolished for urban freeways. Though to be fair, it wasn't only people of color, it was pretty much any group that didn't have the financial resources and political clout to fight freeway construction. For instance, some "ethnic white" immigrant neighborhoods got razed for the construction of Interstate 29 through Sioux City, Iowa.
Only Christopher Lloyd could make a villain in played straight in such silliness and make him one of the most threatening sounding villains who sends chills through you.
That was the hope of early freeway/Interstate planners, and to some extent it worked. If NYC hadn't built freeways, it would've eventually taken a day just to drive out of the city.
So it seems like Judge Doom (played by Christopher Lloyd) had a wee glimpse into the future.... I wonder how that happened.... **looks and sees a Delorian peeking out from the background** lol
0:59 what’s crazy is that doom wasn’t alone in his maniacal plan , he said “we” 😮 the city councils actually agreed with his plan 😮 Edit: i See that months ago I commented , am I the only commenter on here? 😅 this shows how obsessed I am with this crazy character judge doom… please help 😅
Even when buying the red car to dismantle it, the subway train, light rail, and transit bus will succeed nowadays where the "red car" left off. Ironically, the collapse of a chunk of I-85 in Atlanta forced many to take the MARTA. Another example is now there are CNG buses, which reduce pollution. And finally, light rail, which acts like the "red car" and subway train in one. So this means that public transit has outsmarted Judge Doom.
At if this set when CGI Waifu Animes were coming in, Doom would have added "cletronics stores" At if this set when CGI Waifu Animes were coming in, Harry would have added "cletronics stores"
0:53-2:03 *Judge Doom:* Several months ago, I had the good providence to stumble upon this plan of the city council's. A construction plan of epic proportions. They're calling it a freeway. @ 0:53-1:05 *Eddie Valiant:* Freeway? What the hell's a freeway? @ 1:05-1:08 *Judge Doom:* Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. @ 1:08-1:18 *Eddie Valiant:* So that's why you killed Acme and Maroon? For this freeway? I don't get it. @ 1:18-1:23 *Judge Doom:* Of course not. You lack vision. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on, all day and all night! Soon, where Toontown once stood will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food, tire salons, automobile dealerships, and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God, it'll be beautiful. @ 1:23-2:03
@Half Eaten Media That's very true but, I did wonder if Doom succeeded in destroying Toontown and the other toons with "Dip" if he was going to build this whole freeway himself and/or make the Weasels build it.
I increasingly wonder what LA would’ve looked like if there was a balancing act between cars & transit… tolled turnpikes with far fewer and significantly distant spaced exits (3-7 miles instead of less than a mile), significantly more compact ROW (6 thru lanes instead of 8-10 lanes excluding carpool & “exit only” lanes), all the services in the world for commercial vehicles, with said “red cars” lines getting expanded & upgraded accordingly overtime. Prior to the turn of the century, tollbooths would’ve been effective ways of making it known to all drivers to strongly consider ALL other available modes of transportation/transit during any peak travel periods; one can only get there as fast as the cashiers process all customers lining up at the exit. Based on my travels in recent years, PRE-INTERSTATE ERA turnpikes appeared to have aged far better than any interstate era “freeways”. It took the better part of 50 years for them to need any significant redesign/expansion work when there’s plentiful suburban freeways that were completely outmoded & significantly modified within 20 years after opening if even that. The worst thing that old turnpikes have is the “service plaza” ramps located within the passing lane and what increasingly few tollbooths remain (EzPass/FasTrak scanners on an overhead assembly have long replaced booths in plentiful places).
I mean... it didn't really work great. Doom as the General Motors Trolley Conspiracy is pretty much exactly on point, and in reality, he won. The result is that the neighborhoods of the minorities got bulldozed out of the way for the freeways, the streetcars got dismantled and burned for the buses, and nowadays we have terrible public transit, acres and acres of cement surrounded by rotting offramp communities... and traffic jams, forever. Because it turns out you can't solve the problem of traffic with more roads, when all those roads all go to the same place.
I watched this with my 4 year old son last weekend, he fell off the sofa many times due pure laughter. The Chinatown references and hilarious hints at L.A. urban nighmare were icing on the cake.
This movie got me excited about the trolleys and especially those trams of the late Pacific Electric Railway (although in real life they weren’t exactly like that in this movie because they were more like train than buses like that though some probably ran that way in the middle of the highway) and maybe just that as those kids and Eddie sat on the wide rear bumper of that tram. I would like to tell you, especially as a Finnish representative, that if I were a multi-billionaire with huge assets like Elon Musk, for example, I would travel to Los Angeles with the person in charge of these deceased companies and buy the traffic and copyrights of Pacific Electric Railway to I could rebuild, repair and thus reopen it, thus bringing back the former "the worlds's finest public transportation system" back to Los Angeles and bringing it to my home country of Finland, to further improve our public transport even though it is actually the best in the world at the moment, education, health and equality in addition. And I'll set it up so that the trams will be exactly the same as in this movie: similar in shape, size and design, albeit a bit more modern, with wide front and rear bumpers so that kids and adults like the kids and Eddie in that movie can themselves pick up and sit there. on top of them and travel on trolleys in this way for free, and they drive on the rails embedded in the middle of the highway as seen in the film, although the trams also have to be built back, you can buy a ticket on the spot from the ticket seller like Eddie did ( pay for it either in cash or by card and I promise the price is nickel) or some kind of Pacific Electric app created for checking schedules and buying a ticket with a smartphone and terminal stations like in a movie, i.e. includes a waiting room and a bar, restaurant, though I'm going to set them up e so that children may also visit them, where snacks, coca-cola and other soft drinks and other delicacies are sold to children and teenagers where restaurant food and beer are sold to adults. And I would invest both millions and billions of dollars and euros in the company's cash equivalents on both the American and Finnish sides so that it would not have to be sold in cash to any company for financial difficulties, at least not immediately or at all if the money is kept as emergency and spent reasonably not almost any of them actually go away. And before my death or possible resignation, I would make sure that the company is never, for whatever reason, or no matter how good the offers made by other companies, sold to any other company or entity so as not to be abused or liquidated again for one reason or another. don't get to repeat yourself. That if I got the Pacific Electric Railway, even after it was liquidated, I would bring it to life, bring it back to the world map and inspired by this film alone :)
In toontown, the measure of how much you're liked is by how funny you are. Judge doom or "Baron Von Rotten" wasn't funny(and he is a toon) and therefore all the toons shunned him. He took it personally and made it his mission to make the public hate toons too. So what better way to make the public hate toons than to frame them for the murder of a police officer. Then he could destroy toontown for this freeway and nobody would miss them.
This seems so especially with the similar histories. Everyone here tying GM or Ford into an auto conspiracy theory are reading too much into it. This was plainly gentrification in the past.
He deserved the recognition for this role. They said Tim Curry was 'too scary' for the role, but Lloyd still freaked out generations of children. He took it so seriously; never blinked when the camera focused on him, and the red shoe death scene was his favourite. He saw this as a way of getting back at Disney for the villains who scared him as a kid.
This is one reason why I take the bus and other public transportation and why others are doing the same thing. To put most freeways in the history books. I consider buses and other modern public transport to be the successors to the Red Car. And of more people use this instead of buying a car, car companies and dealerships will either have to settle with smaller venues, or file for bankrupcy. Fewer cars means a much smaller carbon footprint and that large roads will have to get smaller. It's no use spending money on a road with few cars. In reality, Doom's plan became a reality. But I choose to fight it.
I think dealers should settle for not gouging the fuck out of their buyers to be honest. Cars today aren't made anywhere near as well as they used to, and they're even more expensive now than they were then. Were I capable (read: alive) in '96 to buy a DX Civic, I'd guarantee you it'd be running today on mostly stock internals. If I bought a Civic *today*, it wouldn't be running in 6 years.
The thing I didn't understand is that after Judge Doom destroyed away Toontown and the other toons with the "Dip", was he planning on building this whole freeway himself and/or getting the Weasels in building the freeway?
@@jacobtennyson9213 Thank you and I remember him saying all this from 0:53-1:04. Those must be bad guys who works for him to build his freeway where those bad guys must not be toons since he was planning on killing all toons even though Doom is a toon himself and maybe soon Doom would have killed the Weasels who are also toons. Otherwise if the L.A. City Council and construction crews were not bad guys, maybe they felt they had no choice but to do what he says since he's a judge.
My god it will Be beautiful! Vote Christopher Lloyd for president, it looked like he tried to change history in this movie. I like that freedom of speech he did on that scene, hopefully one day he gets a million voters
Honestly judge doom is in my opinion my favorite Disney twist villain because while I knew he's a judge that shouldn't be trusted, I never expected him to be the main villain Roger rabbit is soo good Honestly one of my favorite Disney films and a perfect tribute to dectetive noirs and classic animation
"Traffic jams will be a thing of the past" Yeah, that didn't age well! It'd be interesting if there was a city or county where anime characters lived. I'd love to see Judge Doom try to use his DIP on the anime characters, emphasis on the word try.
