The saddest part about current fans is that they like 60fps 4K TikTok edits of anime but as soon as there’s smudge frames and anything off-model it’s considered “bad”
The issue is that a lot recently due to so much freelancing the quality control in a lot of animes are inconsistent, where suddenly you get a total different style of animation that doesn't match the show or character model. In some cases you can see flash youtube action animations which is so obvious to see is not done by an JP animator and mostly western freelancer due to the style of training.
The ability of anime fans to spew out hilariously stupid takes with total confidence is always fascinating. They’d ace interviews if they were capable of actual human interaction.
It's strange how we have absolute godsends of animation that would've never been possible in the past....and few people seem to have the brain capacity to appreciate what these guys are doing. O_O
Honestly there’s nothing wrong with limited animation if the art looks good. I mean that’s what a lot of anime fans are used to, and it seems like they are trying to evolve to focus more on smooth animation which is different to a lot of anime fans.
The worst part is that modern TVs have their damn frame interpolation set to "on" by default! It's not like "unwanted favor" has become a dead phrase already.
@@muazadam983 interpolation is basically where they generate frames in between the original frames of an animation to make it look "smoother" (for examples you can just search up 60 fps anime clips)
@@muazadam983interpolation is a video / image processing technique where you blur two frames together! Example: Let’s say JJK is animated at 24 fps. Most monitors, TVs, and browsers playback video at 60fps. Some companies view those ‘missing’ 36 frames, and want to fill them in. So a normal frame sequence would be something like 1 1 2 2 3 3… and so on! What interpolation does is it takes frames 1 and 2, and blurs them together to create frame 1.5. So the animation order then goes 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5… and so on. This creates a disconcerting effect where half the frames are as the animators intended, crisp, clear direction, and well framed. But then those 0.5 frames are blurry, often jumbled, and indiscernible from random colors. Animators hate them for obvious reasons, because it makes their whole work look bad!
Frr, that shit always annoys me about anime fans. They gain a smudge of knowledge about "advanced" art techniques, and all of a sudden think that they're Leonardo Da Vinci🤦🏾♀
@@Kwxme.Bworst part is that they don't even do it right. Like, I'm pretty sure the people complaining about rotoscope don't even actually understand what rotoscope even is even after watching the video. It's kind of like how they all jumped the gun to say that Pokémon Sun and Moon had trash animation, all the while actual industry veterans were praising it's animation left and right
I honestly think it's preety stupid to criticize on season 2 animation because the entire time I was going nuts how wild they were going and thinking mappa animators only get a few minutes bathroom break until going back to animating💀
Thank you for putting out something so lighthearted and sincere while still giving some good insight into how things work that most people don't think about
both rotoscoping and cg can look really great and add to the animation! anime fans see these techniques and immediantly equate them to lazyness. which it can be if youre reliant on them but when used properally, as tools. they can give you reallly cool looking shit
One very big example that comes to mind is that one god from Mushoku Tensei. It's completely cgi, which is very, very unsettling, especially when it's surrounded by a hand drawn cast. Down to the way it moves, the way it's coloured, everything about it is just brilliant. And it's definitely not laziness, considering the one thing Mushoku Tensei is recognised for is it's absolutely amazing animation.
ive never understood the naruto vs pain fight being so lowly regarded as "bad animation" ive always loved it. sure when u freeze it frame by frame it looks weird, but the animation in and of itself looked great. any scene where the character's face was particularly to be focused on was drawn good. people nowadays have no idea what animation even is
I personally think it is strange for the context and style which just makes it look out of place. Like I get why animation fans are annoyed, but what do you expect when an anime that has had a consistent style makes a drastic change like that?
@@turbotrup96 well it was like the first anime to full on do that kind of style with that much ambition behind it for a full episode. it being a full fluid fight was rlly cool. then Yuno vs rill took inspiration from that and it looked great
@@turbotrup96stretching body and deforming is very hard skills to learn and it helps s lot to bring a masterpiece emotion animation. Keichiro watanabe especially he's the master of this.
I think there are many aspects that make an anime good or bad that are thrown into the "bad animation" conversation when they aren't relevant. "One Piece's pacing sucks so therefore the animation is bad" "The characters look so ass in this still frame therefore they didn't pay their animators" "The character designs are so flat with no detail, this animation is bad" Are they relevant to the conversation about a good or bad show? sure. Does it mean the animation is bad? Not necessarily.
Well, to be fair, the animation in One Piece is, for thr majority of the show, abysmal. On a technical sense, and it is by far that way to help limit the animation done and often pad the half hour time block, which is aids in the abysmal Pacing. In One Piece case, it is not necessarily an unrelated issue
Nah, I like both seasons but in season 1 characters were way more detailed (cuz they had way more time to draw them😅) and I assume by "character drawing" you mean changed style and this decision was made by gege in manga. So basically if we compare both seasons in term of adapting and quality season 1 will win. Season 2 was made by very talented artists so that's why it looks good despite it was rushed as hell.
I like the shading style of jjk ssn 2 it isnt way to shiny and weirdly dark but im cool with it i just would prefer ssn 2 shading style ( *_MY OPINION ! 1! 1! 1!_* )
@@kazuoshitteru Sorry but thats just wrong season 1 didnt have better quality or character art. The only reason why people say that is because of excessive shading and making them look shiny. S1's whole art direction fails to even compare to stuff like hidden inventory and we all know what s1's compositing looked like..
Honestly Instagram never ceases to amaze me with the amount of ignorant comments you’ll find there lol. I really wish people would learn more about the processes of the art they consume before commenting on stuff they don’t know about, but that’s probably just wishful thinking
Instagram. It's a lot of Artist wannabe's, to be honest. Most of them are at beginner level, but believe they're at intermediate level. There's also a lot of Jealousy, pride etc. =P
Art is not the only thing that suffers from these kind of folks. You can find them almost anywhere on any subject thinking their opinion is a rightful one, even though they have no idea what they are talking about
Only truth being spoken here, as a fellow animator this is welcome to see. You have a keen eye for breaking down animation and it's always fun to listen to your highlights of specific animators.
@@forgottenrelics1197 I feel like this info is already so wide spread that those fuckers aren't entitled to being corrected, but good on you for making a video anyway.
@@LJ-hk4tv it's still better to assume a genuine lack of knowledge since after you try to politely correct them they will immidiately let you know if they sincerely didn't know something or are just an asshole
The twitter and insta comments i see about Chainsaw Man are maddening. It's really awful how much abuse the director of season 1 got online. Hoping he comes back for season 2
I hate all of those takes from people that don't know how hard it is to do animation for a hole episode in your average anime episode there is almost three thousand frames I just hate people like that
recently started watching you and always super impressed by your knowledge and passion for animation. really cool to see someone talk about this stuff and actually feel like they know what they’re talking about
This happens any time a medium expands as much as anime has. The majority of fans go from trying to understand the process and minutia from regurgitating what everyone else is echoing to make their opinions heard, bad take or not. The most I can say is that the animation wasn't consistent, not by quality, but stylistic choice. But that is just evidence that there are still humans working at the studio. I do value consistency, but the first Choso (public restroom) and Toji fights were enough to separate JJK2 from any shounen produced in the last 5 years.
I tend to stay off social media in general related to this stuff. I cannot imagine the mental exhaustion reading Instagram anime opinions would have on me. OPM released a new trailer a few days back and the internet kids' reactions were...not pleasant. Perhaps not very surprising yet a little surprising at the same time, these people are common in real life too. I watched a few Pain vs Naruto episodes with a good friend a while back and he really said "the animation is so bad." Stuff that makes you go "wow people really say that unironically." Off topic but I noticed you're getting better at pronouncing these Japanese names haha, good job man
I don't mind if you make this a series lol. Cus it's just annoying to see people suddenly became an "expert" of something just because they don't like that specific something.
i don’t know shit about animation, like in the slightest. but it’s so annoying see other ppl who obviously don’t know what they’re talking trying to and reason why something is bad. when it really can just boil down to “i don’t like it” the pain and naruto fight is amazing. at least in my opinion. one of my favorite fights of all time. and all ppl do is clown on it.
1:32 - Very interesting about the Geso cut there, that's one of my favorite cuts in the whole episode and nothing about it looks 'fake/rotoscoped' either - in fact I'd like to see that technique used more often!
Lol, if these idiots think Daniel Kim or Fujimoto's works are CG or rotoscoped then Koh Yoshinari and Hiroyuki Okiura will probably melt their brains. Also does anyone remember people calling Ohira's cut on One Piece made by AI? Ah tourists, what would we do without them?
I genuenely lose brain cells when I see these types of comments about S2 animation. Sure S1 of JJK probably had its advantages in pure choreography because Sung-Hoo Park was the director and he is a god at choreography, but S2 has vastly superior overall direction. It's isn't close. Just look at episode 1 or 5 of Hidden Inventory. It can be so much more creative due to a the more simplified character designs. I also think the special effects and compositing are much improved as well as the backgrounds. It has a ton of 2D background animation which is crazy comex and time consuming instead of the lets be honest quite bad 3D backgrounds of S1.
@@FAXEDITzs179 I agree. It's kinda the similar thing when people bashed on MAPPA for using 3D Titans. And I will admit they looked off in season 4 part 1. But it was during the pandemic and they also didn't have a lot of production time so I understood it. But they completely forget that WIT had some pretty bad Colossal Titan CGI in season 3 part 2 of AOT. I know this isn't exactly the same as JJK which just had a director change, but you probably know what I mean. People hate change a different approach.
Yep, sunghoo's talents come with immense drawbacks like making the compositing look like shit. S1 is a prime example, also a more recent one is monsters
I just cannot physically understand the hate for JJK's animation in its second season. I can understand the dislike of its story, of its characters, the incoherence of certain fight scenes, hell maybe, just maybe the art direction. But the animation? If the goal is to be smooth and communicate the illusion of movement, they did it. Shit, they'll diss on this kind of animation but be silent about One Piece or Mashle or any other popular anime at the moment. Sounds to me like people just wanna be contrarians and dislike JJK for being popular. You can tell these people have never dedicated time to a craft in their lives.
I think that it’s just a difference of values in anime. I just think that anime generally was “cheap animation” where their limitations bred a lot of creativity in the type of shots used to make it look visually interesting, and which tended to look very consistent. So I think that anime fans value consistency over animation which has created this divide in the general community. I kinda value it as well, because although the Pain fight is well animated, it just didn’t feel like it fit Naruto. But people really need to stop calling it bad animation.
The MAPPA staff has been facing a lot of pressure making JJK S2 because of that studios poor management. So for some of groups of people to say their animations are "bad" despite the work the staff put in just adds another layer of disrespect and ignorance of the industry.
I will admit, I’m not particularly always a fan of that overly realistic style of animating movement but just calling it bad animation,or "lazy rotoscoping" to then give a poor response on how you feel about said animation, you describe as bad is probably one of the most tone death things a person could do and that’s saying a lot. God, it’s like the anime equivalent of the Cal Art style complaint that is really just a cheap excuse for people to act like they know about animation
Calling your 2d animation "CG" IMO is the biggest praise. Animation is all about the deception of movement, you not only made them thing that your art moves but it moves so well that it is 3-dimensional. Unironically, the Chainsawman S1 takes over animation almost made me quit life
What about "I think this looks cool so I wanna draw it like that" is plagiarism? Also, it takes effort and some know how to make rotoscoping look good. It's a tool like any other.
I'm sorry you had to see Instagram/TikTok comments that talk about animation. Personally, I don't do it because I want to take care of my mental health.
Some people actually hate deformed and exaggerated movements of the characters cuz it seems ugly for them. 😂 That's why Pain's exaggerated face is the number one example and used as an insult as "bad animation".
@@faikromid1970hating the art is one thing but at least he recognizes that it's good animation. Unlike these delusional people on social media that literally labels the good cuts as bad animation and overlook the actual "bad" animation that only ever happened due to time constraints.
Because it's bad, it's ugly as hell. If I pause any frame in a fight scene from Jujutsu Kaisen Season 1, I get a new wallpaper. If I pause any frame of Sukuna in Season 2, I get an abstract art piece. And you know what? Abstract art is abstract because no one understands what the hell is happening in there.
Reminds me of when people saw one video about a bad animation from Mortal Kombat X and never stopped referencing said video anytime Mortal Kombat is mentioned
I'm a late comer to JJK and just finished watching both S1 and S2 over the last 2 week. After finishing S2 I was just flabbergasted by the amount of work that must have went in to animating most of those episodes. Then I find TONS of posts bashing the animation saying it's flat out bad. I get it, people can have opinions, but when the opinions are unfounded it starts to piss me off. If they had said they didn't like the stylistic choices, fine, but calling it bad? Sorry, that's not an opinion, that's just you being wrong and dumb.
holy crap i fought the hate for the 7th season of mha animation was bad, but saying jjk s2 had bad animation is straight up ridicilous. i tbh never a critic of animation since i am just happy a manga i like now has moving frames and not just still images since it makes the experience way better
People don’t realize the animation isn’t bad, it just could have been better. The problem is that the animators are in mappas dungeons being fed only a bread crumb and being forced to work 25 hours a day, I bet there where lots of uncut animations that couldn’t make it in just because of how little time they work working with, and the fact people think it’s rotoscoping is dumb asf, why are people LOOKING for things to “criticize”(trash on) which aren’t even bad??? As an animator myself i find it heavily disrespectful for people to call animation bad cause I’d like to see them animate a whole jjk episode themselves. anyways just remember: animation is hard no matter who you are and you shouldn’t be a dick to artists just because you can’t do what they do.
I wouldn’t even say that JJK 2 looks less detailed than 1, the shading is at it’s best because it describes form a lot better than the first, it’s incredible and it requires a lot of knowledge on how light refracts and where it doesn’t appear. The compositing is amazing as well because it tries to be a lot more cinematic with different colored lighting that fits the mood of the scene, the best of both worlds
I just think anime fans should stop trying to cook when they don’t know how animation works, would do the fandom a huge favor if they learnt what certain terms means before they say them.
Holy shit, some people can't help but just sound miserable T.T Sucks how many people believe they have the right or knowledge to criticize animation techniques of animators/artists. All of these comments can be pretty discouraging or intimidating for unconfident artists.
If I'll say something a bit controversial. I'm honestly not the biggest fan of this latest obsession by both animators and sakuga fans with big flashy Kanada-style fight scenes that look sped up. I'm not dumb enough to say it's bad animation, but a part of me misses the days when I could actually tell what was going on in a shounen fight.
I think its more Yamashita and Nakamura inspired if anything, yeah there's some Kanada school animators still out there but it feels like the minority in comparison to the latter two. Besides that flashy Kanada inspired animation has been around since the late 70's so I wouldn't say its a new thing, although there's no denying how popular flashy animation is currently. Even still there's still animators that will lean into a more grounded action animation like at 7:15 so it isn't necessarily gone.
a bit unrelated but on the topic of social media retardation, something i find very corny by anime fans is when an artist publishes an animation or even something like an edit and fans comment " dont let mappa find bro". or "hide bro from mappa". like do they think mappa is going to show up at these peoples houses and kidnap them?
ever since people found out about the mappa overworking stuff, they made a stupid joke where mappa would basically enslave anyone that is good at animation. it’s a very annoying and overused joke
Tbh, mappa did a great job in season two... despite others liking shiny characters like how they had more shine in season 1, season 2 clearness actually seemed better... besides, if it was about animation, then why didn't jjk season 1 win any animation awards but jjk season 2 did... with best character design and best cinematography...
I can't believe people hate JJK for such shallow reasons. I hate JJK cause virtually everyone I loved or even remotely liked is dead. WTF Gege? Too real, I view to escape. 😂😂😂
I've been a hardcore anime watcher since 2017, I probably watch between 10-20 Animes a year. JJK season two is literally the best animation I've seen out of any one Anime season. The episode of Sukuna fighting that big white thing was actually insane, it felt like a movie. People who complain about the animation being better in season 1 are noobs who dont watch much anime.
Man, these people must either be new anime fans, or the EXACT same Naruto fans who complained about the Naruto vs Pain fight about 15 years ago and have learned absolutely nothing 💀
Every single time I saw someone attacking season 2 I was going "What's wrong with you?" It had some subpar animation moments no doubt but by god people. Try animating ONE second even close to some of the stuff you're criticizing and then give your "hot take" that's gone full charcoal at this point.
I’m convinced some people watched jjk season 2 with their eyes closed and the second there’s a odd scene or a change in style they are suddenly an animation expert. Also people love to use it as amo to hate jjk like when the anime of the year awards happened last week people who have not seen the show where echoing the “art and animation was trash, (insert other anime) was better we where robbed” Also I feel like some people got into the show for the wrong reasons then complain that it’s a shonen “there’s to many fights” “it’s just nonstop action” “everyone dies”
I love jjk but the animation for most fight scenes in 2 are pretty bad in comparison to other anime or season 1. The lines look messy as hell and it just doesn’t look anywhere near as good in most action scenes.
@@death_forsale1362 bro its not bad go and watch mob psycho brother the Animators of mob psycho came for help beacuse of the horrendous schedule for season 2. Mob Psycho has some best animated episodes in anime the director's animated ep 16 and 17 16 was best while 17 was cook hardly the messy line animation is not what you think brother
@@death_forsale1362 season 1 had better action in hand to hand combat beacuse of the director Sunghoo park he is expert in Action .And in Current staff no one can outclass park in action animation
All this just goes to show anime “fans” would rather get detailed art with choppy animation than simpler art but fluid animation. Hell theyd still complain the anime is choppy
The question is, how will MAPPA top season 2 animation and the shibuya arc with season 3? Culling game will be huge, give the animators like 3 years this time 💀
Sorry to say but the CSM and and the Jjk team has the majority of the same animators so for now they will work for the movie of csm then around 1 to 1 and a half year for Jjk maybe
@@FAXEDITzs179 that sucks, I wonder if freelancers will continue to work for MAPPA, so far, it's confirmed by Vincent Chansard that he won't return to MAPPA ever again, he also brought some MAPPA animators over to Toei if I'm not wrong, it's quite hilarious how the only time Vincent give Bones or MAPPA a shot, it's gonna go horrible, back to Toei my goat 😞😞
@@bigbaborel I think they will because the animators like both Jujutsu kaisen and Chainsaw Man but if they get a decent schedule not like that Jujutsu kaisen season 2 schedule 💀
@@bigbaborel The main thing is that bones , mappa and Toho just want to get more profit from My hero Academia and Jujutsu kaisen beacuse of this they don't pay any heed to the staff
Yes, when they complain about animation, they actually mean the lack of polish and of shading detail and other stuff. But I kind of get it. I like both styles, but if I had to choose I would say I prefer season 1. I also feel some people prefer more grounded action than over the top hard to follow idiosyncratic sakuga. Which is fine. Yes, animation is the movement, but animation is also how we call the final product as a whole. So it's understandable when people say they don't like the animation. To call it bad though is a big mistake. It is normal to expect lay people to complain about those things. When I watched with my wife she also said the animation was much worse than season one. And I got what she meant, even though I was vibing with the sakuga, I know not everyone can get a rougher style. And some sequences where really laid out without inbetween at all. Some we had to pause a lot just to get what was going on in the action. She also said when watching the forth season of attack on titan "wow, this is so much more fluid" and thought they improved the frame rate, but in fact it was the reverse, they adopted some kanada style sprinkled here and there, with less frames that fit better into one another. Great video, great analysis. Very well explained and broken down to educate people. Valuable resource.
also the problem with the hard to follow sakuga was because they butchered the cuts that some of the industry's best animators and spliced them together with no consistency or any anticipation expecially if you look at some of the cuts by vincent chansard where half of his cut wasn't used and instead they just used the end of it with no anticipation not even in the same location
Just to clarify the guy does not hate Sunghoo. Any animator with a brain knows that Park is a hand to hand combat expert. The poor background Cg has always been his weak point until Ninja Kamui. What the guy is trying to say is that objectively the artstyle and the animation is just as good as season 1. But this season objectively has better staff I think, with directors like Arai, Miso and Go, who directed episode 13,16 and 17. Episode 17 had a literal avengers assemble of action animators. The staff is already stacked. The only complaint I think one can say is the reduced presence of Keichiro Watanabe in season 2. But that hasn't reduced the quality. And there were many Tanaka and Yoshihara fans after season 1 both were absent (Tanaka only came for malevolent shrine). Again if these two were added it would have been I imagine the wet dream of shonen anime watchers.😂
Its been awhile since I've seen Fooly Cooly referenced. That anime was ahead of it's time. Shame the original was canceled so fast. The continuations after the original were trash. But the original was fire.
Season 1 looked wayyy better for me. I know the compositing wasnt good in season 1 but still. I loved the fast movement in S2 but I found myself wishing it was looking more like Season 1. If we could somehow combine season 1 character design and art with the flow style of s2 that would be perfect. I do enjoy the whole naruto vs pain style animation but it needs to be more detailed that they did with this season or it can look a tad sloppy(for lack of a better word). I loved the season and appreciate the hard work MAPPA did with such short time and so may overwhelmed people though. I just need season 3 to look more a lil more crisp 🙏🏽.
season 2 looks closer to the manga's art style while season 1 was highlighted on every piece of clothing which looked terrible and put a weird affect on most of the cuts in season 1 like they turned the saturation up
I liked season 2 more but i hated that animation for the sea monster domain expansion where they trap naobito maki and nanami while megumi breaks in. The colours were so ugly
man I swear people will ALWAYS find a way to hate on something like I personally thought season 2 was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!! obviously I had some personal opinions of my own too but people going out of there way to call THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF of the season bad… is just absolutely absurd bruh
U guys just don’t want others to dislike the series for sudden season 2 style change but u gotta admit the fight scene is not greatly directed by the new director Shota so that Mappa know what to improve instead of brainwashing yourself and gaslighting other new audiences😅. The background story is that basically same as a normal movie or tv drama, a director is the key to everything in anime world. Sunghoo Park is the season one director which made brilliant animated fights and character designs. Unfortunately he left Mappa to work his own studio and directed the new Ninja Kamui whoever have watched it can tell the fight scene there is still top level and that’s why he’s the man. I hate when ppl is afraid of bad opinions and start attacking the predecessor who initiated a masterpiece and didn’t get the enough recognition they deserved! And guess what the fantastic season 2 OP Specialz is directed instead by another director Yuki not Shota😅.
I heard a lot about the JJK 2 quality being very lower than the 1st. But I saw it and didn't find it bad in any way. Anime community can be a lot stupid sometimes
This is why some anime fans dont deserve to watch anime I want to see if these keyboard warriors could draw as well these animators with the time restrictions. There is this video on RU-vid of this woman talking about how hard animating season 2 of JJk was and these ungrateful people are complaining. Anime fans are so annoying.
You need to do chainsaw mans. Alot of japanese fans didnt like it. And i didnt see an issue with any of it. Like literally did theu want it closer to the manga or something?
Remember waiting every Friday for Naruto to drop 8pm on ma blurry ahh tv only picking up like 40fps at most as a kid anime fans now of days don’t know how good they have it fr
i think the main problem is consistency, when the artstyle in anime changes in an instant it is very noticeable and people might have prefer how it looked before. The animations are good but it doesn't feel like it fits very well with season 1
The only part that felt a bit off was the Mahoraga fight. It was hard to tell what was going on at times and some scenes felt unfinished. Surprised you didn't bring it up. Also there's some questionable stuff at the start of Mahito vs Todo
@@Thundeclap i saw some comments prizing ep 14 as one of 1he best episode of the s2 they don't know shit about animation, the mahoraga vs sukuna was a little bit unfinished, in blue Rey the completed it and looks amazing
Can you do an animation breakdown of Birdy The Mighty? Always wondered who the people behind it is seeing how this (relatively) unknown series has such god tier animation
I went through a RU-vid short comment section rabbit hole recently, god the animation takes are reaching new levels... One big one I've seen recently, is that 2D animation gets better over the years due to "budget", "technology" and "tools". End my suffering, please :)
With Chainsaw Man, my dad (who doesn’t really watch much anime) commented how the eyes were insanely detailed and how awesome Aki’s backstory scene and the simple cooking scene was.
