Julia Hartley-Brewer and Peter Hitchens' fascinating clash over the war in Ukraine 

Hitchens side, USA invaded Ukraine long before Russia did.

Peter Hitchens side. This war was as much provoked as the invasion was illegal.

This is here and now ..Hitchens can't seem to get past that point that Ukraine should chose its future regardless of its past ....Russian paranoia about internal and external issues is the reason Finland Sweden now joining NATO which in effect means Russia itself has broadened the NATO border by being an aggressive neighbour so if you heap coals upon your own head you'll find them hot...as for peace deals they have been and are ongoing attempts in resolutions put forward but declined by Russia ...this was a war of choice not the only choice that in itself says it all...

Hichens

Hitchins & the sooner people realise the US is the biggest problem the better the world will be !

Poor Chadimir, parroting kremlin mainstream media and Russian government talking points and having 0 understanding of how or why this conflict even started.

@Proselytizing Orthodox Pentecostal Angora Rabbit guess what? Crimea is Russian, lpr is Russian, dpr is Russian so you can go Crimea a river. 🤣

Lmao! Savage man!

@@chadimirputin2282 Oh, yes. Russian 'now and forever' lol

@Proselytizing Orthodox Pentecostal Angora Rabbit what are you doing here? Your missing your hourly bbc, sky news and chanel 4 propaganda schedules.

How when Putin wants the region's he's taken and Ukraine say no they're ours? They are under international law they're still Ukraine's, so how do we get round this? Putin said he wouldn't invade again after 2014 and he was given the territories, what makes you think this time he'd tulry mean it when he says "give me those regions and I won't invade again"? How? He's taken Georgia and Crimea, he's not going to stop how can you not see that? Do you understand how important Ukraine is for our food supply aswell?

she hears the truth and it frightens her.She has been caught out and she knows it.Repeating washingtons state department talking points.

She's worse than that idiot Paxman.

typical Journo

She is a woman. They always view things in the most simplistic manner. Why are you surprised?

After watching Julia for thirty seconds it's obvious she reading from a script, and has little or no understanding about what the real cause of this conflict are.

God in heaven, I had to mute it and press 'L' constantly on my keyboard to get rid of her. She's unbearable.

yep i usually like her and agree with her but not on this.

Ukrainians should be give everything they need to bqq any invading russian on their land.

Do you understand how much of food supply is tied into Ukraine? What happens do we let Ukraine fall and let Russia have the share of gas and oil in the area and grains and fertiliser? Trump warned what would happen if the EU became reliant on gas and oil from Russia, they'd use it against the EU, that's what they're doing. They're using it as means to force people to change their mind and back leaving Russia to it, to let them do whatever they want in Ukraine. What happens if our food supply is in the hands of Putin? Seriously have a think about it. We don't make enough grains and there's simply not enough room to do it, for both human consumption and animal feed, while also coming up with our own supply of fertiliser, and growing other foods we need. That's why we're so into this war, because this does affect us. It's deeply niave to think otherwise and shows a lack of understanding the public have about our food supply. Putin is not going to stop end of, as Julia said rightly so, Putin has done this before on 2008 and 2014. Putin is not going to stop unless Ukraine gives up more regions, if they do that he'll come again in a few years time as has been his game, he's clearly got a record for it. You're playing the appeasement game and Russia gets that treatment you can bet your right arm China will take Taiwan within a matter of months, taking control of the world's largest share of semiconductor chips we use in EVERYTHING, so we'd have Putin incharge of food supply and Xi in charge of our ability to make anything electoral. Is that really what you want to risk? Because it's a very real possibility. China may still invade Taiwan either way, but the west cannotoe down and let them get away with it, not unless you want to live under a world order in which Russia and China along with their allies like Iran are the leaders.

Ok what should practically be done.... in detail?

@@davidsoulsby1102 They are not part of Nato. We have absolutely no obligation to help them. Leave them to it!

@@davidsoulsby1102 Don't send any arms to Ukraine, and encourage peace talks. Don't scupper them - like last time.

@@ForestFan74 Of course we have an obligation. We gave security assurances to Ukraine in the 1990s in exchange for them giving up their nuclear weapons.

@@tomo_xD where was this obligation during the Crimea crisis? It didn't serve our purpose at the time is my guess and now somehow it does. This war should have been over long ago, Russia could stomp them any time they like but apparently that's not part of the game either. The West are heavily involved in prolonging this war. Your average family are the ones suffering from all this mess.

In clown world women are on frontlines. Why I would shoot myself day 1 if was ordered to got to fight for the woke west. Rather watch it burn than defend it

She is not ignorant. She wants to keep her job.

Why would helpign Ukraine to defend itself against genocidal aggression lead to nuclear war? Putin wants a legacy. He's not going to turn Russia into radioactive glass, just because he can't get his way over Ukraine. You're advocating for appeasement. All that does is to encourage further aggression.

@@Xenomorphine Russia liberating ethnic russians in Ukraine who have been victims of genocide.

What exactly was ignorant about what she said?

Probably is

do you not thing why these former soviet states all joined nato and the few remaining are so desperate to join, maybe the fact Ukraine has been invaded, Georgia was invaded, Moldova is being now threatened and Russian troops are there, the Russians openly talk about having all their former soviet states back and if it wasn't for nato they would invade them too

It's a complete myth. Totally debunked. While this was going on, Putin was literally on stage and ranting about the need to destroy Ukraine because it's supposedly run by gay Nazis, for crying out loud. Jewish ones...

And why did those eastern countries join NATO? Were they forced into NATO by the evil American? Or did they beg to join to avoid Russia's grip on them?

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 that’s a non sequitur, it doesn’t matter who wanted what, the US knew expanding NATO right up to Russia’s doorstep would cause anger and consequences, hence why after the Cold War there was an agreement that the countries around Russia’s borders would remain neutral, a buffer, that neutrality was holding till 2014. If I was Ukrainian I’d be very upset with the US, they’re being used as cannon fodder! as Henry Kissinger once said “the only thing worse than being an enemy of the US, is being an ally of the US”

What exactly is she wrong about?

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 it's not exactly _what_ she said but more _how_ she framed her ill-informed points. Which often gives more insight into the actual content of what one is saying. One word came to mind consistently: hysterical.

@@liamsouthwell27 You continue to say that she's ill-informed (is that what your Kremlin overlords told you and the rest of the shills in the comment sections to say?)

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Shame you cannot read. I've only called her ill-informed once. But forgive me, I'm a tad defensive because you got me! You found me out! That is EXACTLY what they told me to say! Damn, guess it's time to delete this whole thread in embarrassment and run back crying to my mummy's basement eh? Well done Airbusfan, you got another one!!! Unlike her you are so well-informed and I am completely unveiled for the Kremlin stooge I am.

this is becoming the norm on most news channels, for a long time in US but increasingly UK, Australia, etc. just awful excuse for journalism. "I'll share my very ordinary intellectual opinion, and you dear expert can have a tiny bit of airtime to agree with me. Thankyou for coming"

As always

You nailed it

It’s all part of the plan , they don’t want people to hear what he says to have informed opinions . They can now tick the box to say they are unbiased and had him on the show but clearly he wasn’t given a chance to speak and all people will remember is Russians are raping and killing people and may soon take the whole of Europe .

Julia’s argument and debating style is like listening to a person describe what she sees whilst she’s wearing virtual reality googles and has a “talking points” soundtrack chosen by CNN and BBC political editors plugged into her ears at the same time. There is absolutely no depth and sophistication to her argument other than, rather ironically, and with a straight face, saying “that’s why I am a Brexiteer” as though it makes her correct and an anointed view. (She even misses the point that both Boris Johnson and Sunak “voted for Brexit” and it’s anything but!). Peter was clearly exasperated being forced to a wildly inferior intellect whose only advantage was that she hogged the mic 🎙️ and is evidently proud of wearing an honourary badge that would read: “Loud Imbecile, who doesn’t pause for breath” Julia, try some joined-up thinking instead of pandering to the handful of simpletons who consume the diet of compliant mainstream narrative you’ve become an expert conspirator and shill for

Yep we need to strap in over the next few decades while America destabilises the rest of the world to keep hold of its Global dominance...

Has nothing to do with the US. Russia invaded both Hungary and Czechoslovakia when it feared losing control of those states. Putin would have done the same with Ukraine whether NATO had taken on new members since 1990 or not.

She's clamouring for war because she knows it won't be her sons doing the fighting.

She's the typical warmonger shouting from the safety of her own cosy shelter. Unless she wants to send her sons over to drive some of these tanks?

When Trump was in and was stopping the pipeline's we didn't have many issues did we? Because he was hard on Russia, Putin think Biden is weak. Ukraine cannot give up more territory when they did so in 2014, which was supposed to stop what's happening now. If they give Russia more land then they'll come back in another 6-8 years time, the way they have done repeatedly since 2008. If Putin wanted Wales would you give it to him?

What is she uninformed about?

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Everything

She is paid to be ignorant

Where do you idiots get your purile misunderstanding of the world from?

What's ludicrous is that she's constantly critical of the British government, and the Biden Administration, on just about everything - except Ukraine, where she "believes" British and US politicians have honest intentions.

Guessing you think it was wrong for the US to have supported us when we were resisting Nazi Germany bombing over London, too?

@@Xenomorphine They didn't support you. They sold you stuff. For cash till you were penniless then on credit, and in exchange for naval bases. Like now, they are happy for their rival to be bled white by other mothers' sons, while they profit from the sales. The difference in WW2 was that they more than happy to see Britain bleed and weaken too.

Nobody is asking for European soldiers to join. Just helping the Ukrainians getting weapons.

@@garylynch7619 In other words, you agree with what I pointed out: You would have advocated for not supporting the UK during World War 2 for the same reasons.

@@Xenomorphine No. The Americans should have supported you, because being an island, you could defend yourself, and the support would have secured your safety without the constant mill of slaughter. On mainland Europe, where that slaughter can be sustained endlessly, negotiations always end wars. This should have happened in 1915 or 16, but when you paint your enemy as a monster to get the people behind the war, you can't make peace. So millions die. In this case, western support is not meant to strengthen Ukraine so they can win, but to keep the war going as long as possible. To such an extent that the T-Shirt President is looking at Crimea.

Bravo Peter Hitchens!

We should send all these warmongers to the front. See how they feel after a few weeks of being shelled and shot at.

There is no point in saying there should be talks etc at this time, no mater what you think of the past. back to the point what will Ukraine have to give up for peace???? we know Russia won't give anything back. stop bleating on and give a practical answer.

Sounds like you're the one bleating buddy. There's always time to sue for peace, unless you're a warmonger.

@@fujohnson8667 Military uniform may do wonders for Julia HB.

Peter needs to get his ducks in a row and use language that succinctly explains matters so that Julia and her viewers can understand.

She's just following her channels script. They aren't alternative news. Just a tiny version of mainstream news. She can't be stupid enough to believe what she's spouting.

The Minsk agreement was a consequence of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Come on then tell us what to do? no wishy washy we must talk... actually what practical steps?

@@davidsoulsby1102 NATO can either go in and have a full scale war with Russia and see if they can't go ahead and beat them out, or NATO should surrender and negotiate peace with Russia.

@@davidsoulsby1102 Stop funding wars. Mind our own business. We can't play billy big balls anymore when our own country is invaded daily. We aren't interested in protecting our own country but we want to save Ukraine from the baddies. Spare me.

and the fact that for some reason here, she doesn't believe that anything in the past has any relevance....

@@Ma55ey She is a stooge for the military-industrial complex. Another Tobias Ellwood?

@@ednorton47 Thks woman is a full time hypocrite

Historicaly Crimea was Russian and Putin has not a faintedt interest to invade Poland, Baltic states and so on.None whatsoever.It's the American narrative which the British parrot.

I'm shocked over educated low intelligent person.

Haha, brilliant.

Manichaean idiot with no intellectual capability at all. Shrill, emotionally incontinent armed with a simpleton worldview of good and evil - sadly representative of more than half the population

So, Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not wrong, and Ukraine's defence of its independence is not good. Is that what you're saying? Because that is all Julia is saying. She knows that the Kyiv government are not angels, and she accepts that Putin felt threatened by Nato. These are straw men.

@@DieFlabbergast Realpolitik says a country is not a country if it cannot unilaterally defend its borders.

@@DieFlabbergast so what is the endgame here? The EU etc would not fund Ukrainian economy because of huge corruption even before war. Even then costs were more than 100bn/year. Reconstructing after war will be more than 500bn/year. Unless you didn’t notice the west public sector deficits are more than WW2. So where is money coming from to fund Ukraine economy when it is over? You can keep playing silly moral game if you like, but I deal with reality. I am sure moral exhibitionism makes all the supporters feel better themselves, but it just creates greater problems and more death. As stupid as the Polish aggression pact of 39….

that was an abhorrent thing to say, so left wing also

Where did you get the numbers from?

In the last year... there has been six thousand Ukrainian combatants KIA. ( Around the same number of Russians ) This conflict is a series of tiny skirmishes. It really is... a very limited, small scale conflict. The press have been over dramatising it. Because it keeps the masses from voicing their real interests. Those that run things in the West... know that in time of war, people put their heads down and just get on with things. They will accept a lower standards of living and ever rising costs. 'War time' is the perfect time to exploit the masses. For politicians...it distracts them from their own issues.

You're trying to make out appeasement has had a great track record agasint genocidal aggression? Seriously...? Because Putin's the one who has to end doing that by withdrawing to his borders. Ukrainians don't have a choice.

@@patkearney9320 Von Der Leyen let it slip out. There's a reason why you don't hear of Ukrainian casualties, it's because they want you to support prolonging the war. The same reason why you won't find any videos on the MSM of young Ukrainian men being bundled in vans and sent the front against their will. They don't want you to see the human suffering of this war as they want your tax money to prolong it.

@@commonwunder Your figures are a little out. 150k Ukrainian dead. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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​@@johncarroll772 2 month old paid troll

@@rk2827 correct

Great philosphers do not piss in their pants with fear.

You mean his late brother?

well said second rate junior school teacher

I came here to utter those thoughts exactly.

@You Tube however, and were treated to it more and more often, these days: you can have a debate where only one side is informed but it's extremely taxing and frustrating to those who believe in nuance. In other words, it's a way of blowing up conversation. There's no need for any debate if I have _my_ precious facts and you're _simply_ wrong.

Good grief what an hysterical and misinformed woman, Totally embarrassing and cringeworthy

OH, I DONT THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A DEGREE TO UNDERSTAND KGB-PUTIN-HITLERS GAME - THE LOWLY DISABLED, THE ORDINARY JEWS, THE OUTCASTS ...COULD SEE IT 1930'S GERMANY , BETTER THAN THE NARCISSISTIC NAZI [DARWINIAN OBSESSED] EUGENIC CRAZY INTELLECTUALS.... MAKING THEIR 'MASTER RACE' COULD

He’s very much wrong about one thing, that’s for sure.

​@@FannyShmellar What is he wrong about?

@@FannyShmellar explain?

Hitchens wants Ukraine to surrender. He has repeatedly called Ukraine a “fanciful country.” Over the years he has attracted a massive fan base of putler loving trolls. In 2010, Peter Hitchens travelled to Crimea and wrote a sneering article that set out the Kremlin’s justification for thieving land off Ukraine in detail. In it, he described Ukraine as a “fanciful country” despite the fact that Kyiv was a thriving Christian city many centuries even before the existence of Muscovy. Just four years later, Crimea was invaded and all the talking points of his 2010 article were deployed by Kremlin propagandists. The article can still be seen in the Hitchens archives. Since February 24, Mr Hitchens has continued his attacks on Ukraine, in spite of, or perhaps because of the systematic genocide being inflicted upon innocent civilians by the murderous torturers, thieves and rapists of Putin’s army. Hundreds of children and many thousands of adult civilians have died already. If anyone doubts that the genocide was pre-planned, they only have to read what RIA Novosti officially published before Putin’s evil onslaught. Hitchens, like RT, is in effect a fully functioning component of Putin’s demonic war machine.

@@josephocallaghan3000 Total fallacious misrepresentation of Peter. And that's being generous

Nearly conscription time for you Ivan

Julia’s great but I’m not sure I’d go that far

@@tobyyorke2539 😅😂😅😂😂😂who said irony is dead?

Peter's nothing of the sort. He's good when speaking in opposition to Communist ideology, but his late brother, Christopher, was a lot better at geopolitics - and would have totally disagreed with him here. Especially his white-weashing of Putin's actions with the debunked argument of being about NATO membership, while Putin was on stage and ranting about Ukraine needing to be put down because gay (and Jewish) Nazis somehow run it.

@@Xenomorphine Christopher supported the Iraq war..sure, right, better at geopolitics..

Christopher is dead, this is Peter - a very poor imitation.

A succinct summary

Roughcovers: Putin Good.

But, on the plus side, she does have a magnificent set of juggs.

She's clueless.

Brewer = cynical, rabble-rousing dolt.

They're pundits/political commentators on here. Journalists they are not.

Aha, and please explain how it is the West's fault that Putin invaded Ukraine!

Sum up the majority of headline reading idiots on this country. They believe the lies they are fed without question i.e. the conflict started in Feb 2022 and there is no back story.

It’s called bloviating. She’s become a master at it. You’d think Boris Johnson and her ate at the same bullshittery factory Julia’s argument and debating style is like listening to a person describe what she sees whilst she’s wearing virtual reality googles and has a “talking points” soundtrack chosen by CNN and BBC political editors plugged into her ears at the same time. There is absolutely no depth and sophistication to her argument other than, rather ironically, and with a straight face, saying “that’s why I am a Brexiteer” as though it makes her correct and an anointed view. (She even misses the point that both Boris Johnson and Sunak “voted for Brexit” and it’s anything but!). Peter was clearly exasperated being forced to a wildly inferior intellect whose only advantage was that she hogged the mic 🎙️ and is evidently proud of wearing an honourary badge that would read: “Loud Imbecile, who doesn’t pause for breath” Julia, seriously needs to try some joined-up thinking instead of pandering to the handful of simpletons who consume the diet of compliant mainstream narrative you’ve become an expert conspirator and shill for

But in her eyes, she’s the expert

Actually it’s decades, Hitchens lived in the USSR in the 1980s

We know why it was started. Putin wants to recreate the Soviet empire and has openly admitted it. That's why every excuse under the sun has been recycled endlessly to try and justify it, up and including Ukraine somehow being full of occult Satanist groups (which is unintentionally ironic, as it means Russia is admitting it's a witch-hunt), while Put's lastest speech referred mostly to it being about Ukraine being run by gay Nazis... And most neo-Nazis I've encountered aren't exactly friendly to homosexual folk.

@@Xenomorphine Your massively wrong, why has Putin tried to have two peace negotiations, but turned down by Boris on the orders of Biden. This war could have been prevented, but putting Zedlinsky in power by America, then bombing his own people that didn't agree with him, and NATO putting weapons, and training Ukrainians is a massive red line. What did you think was going to happen. America also had bio laps in Ukraine from 2009 that was working on covid, and other diseases. That's an act of war in itself. You now have a Ukrainian Neo Nazi regiment, ISIS, and other terrorist units fighting for Ukraine with British tax payers money. You all should be ashamed for backing NATO.

Hitchens got he time to speak and all he did was to drone on about NATO and the West...

@Peter Williams How come then he couldn't even answer Julia's first question: what does Ukraine have to give up to achieve peace?

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 because it is a loaded question not based on fact

@@James_36 It's not a loaded question. As long ss Russia isn't kicked out of Ukraine, it will require land for peace! There's no way that Russia now would just give up the territories it occupies now and just go home. They'll need to be forced out, with the help of the west.

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Simple it has to give up NATO simple . NATO the no aggresive organisation who has started 5 or 6 wars in the last 25 years or so

@@john-xo9mg And just why the hell should Ukraine give any concessions to Russia after what they have been exposed to?

It's a hell of a lot better than Russia, I can guarantee you that?

​@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Not really, Ukraine is and was just as much oligarchical as Russia, its elections are more fair yes, but it is not much healthier than russia

@@j.l8539 100s of years of brutal Russian occupation has made its mark on Ukraine, true.

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 100 years of soviet policy ruined most of the ex ussr countries

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Stop that nonsense Abf. You can't guarantee anything.

Julia is more than willing to send you to fight and die for geopolitics but I doubt she'd be willing for her daughters to go fight and die for zelensky though.

What about the folks who take Russian cash? Do they have to fight for Putin?

@@andrewoliver8930 who takes Russian cash then mate? Come on clear names etc

@F u Johnson The Tory Party have taken donations from a Russian woman who is married to a former Russian Minister. Bozza played tennis with her. Lubov Chernukhin £2.2m Source: Open Democracy

Nah I'll let my taxes act out the strategic interests of the west.

There are several possibilities for NBC. Might help if you would just tell us.

I served with RIR in BATUS. Top lads. They had a guy that could lift 3 men above his head....

This is why I support giving military aid to Ukraine. Its not in our best interests to allow Russia to invade Europe again.

You shouldn’t listen to media propaganda, the Russians have neither capability or intention to invade Western Europe, the Russians have stated no first strike, let’s hope they stick to it. However the longer this war goes on a miscalculation could trigger a clash ,and a nuclear exchange, and then my friend it will be over for all of us.

Was his name John Jemison , if so he was the British Army hammer throwing champion. One tough guy.

Ukraine doesn't ask for NATO troops, just for weapons.

​@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Not just for weapons, also for money. Billions of dollars in cash have been shipped to Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe, and the dictator of Ukraine, Herr Zelensky, has stashed a large chunk of that money in offshore bank accounts in Belize and the Cayman Islands (which is how he has been able to buy luxury properties in France, Italy, the UK (Knightsbridge, London) and the US (California).

Yeah, because it's not like Russia's been regularly threatening to move onto Romania, Poland and Germany after this... No, wait, it has.

@@Xenomorphine threatening and actually doing are two separate things

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The unmistakable reaction of a Hitch-slap. She ended the interview/debate shortly thereafter because she felt like an 'abused' wife.

@@SagaciousFrank More like because he wouldn't answer her questions.

I think both sexes would be called to fight nowadays.

That would certainly be an apt description for Putin's regime and his cronies at 'Russia Today'. Appeasement of genocidal aggression only makes matters worse.

@@Xenomorphine which genocide? That what happened in the Donbas or what is encouraged and is happening to Ukraine soldiers.

@@jayteedeene5981 The absolute atrocities committed by Russian troops. Do I even have to mention Butcha?

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 that’s an allegation it’s not proven yet

No she did not!

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 And now so have you🤣

@@KennyG-qh8jc You are making such convincing arguments

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 See this is why people are supporting this war, clueless. Peter made the arguments not me. EINSTEIN!!!🤣🤣

@@KennyG-qh8jc Peter didn't make any convincing arguments. He couldn't even answer Julia's first question: what would a peace deal entail. Can you?

Wait until you do some research to find out how much of a hideously corrupt entity Putin and his cronies are.

Summary of your "argument": I disagree with Julia, therefore she is an idiot.

@@DieFlabbergast Sure, if that's what you want to believe.

She comes off as a complete and utter moron

@@davidpryce5079 Absolutely!

Are you completely blind? Nobody is beating the drum of war except Putin!

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 NATO got the world into this mess.

@@sputnik460 No, Putin did by invading a neighboring country, unprovoked. Is it really that hard to understand? How far up your own arse have you stuck your head to believe otherwise?

@Airbusfan OK mate. You are brainwashed just like Julia. You and her should kit up and join the front line if you feel so strongly about it.

@@sputnik460 What the hell are you talking about? This is not NATO's war - it's Putin's war!! Putin is force conscripting young Russians to die at the front. He's the one to blame for all this! The only brainwashed one here is you (by Kremlin propaganda).

What did she say that was wrong?

Even if Ukraine's democracy isn't perfect, how the hell does that give Putin the right to invade?

@@Buster_Piles Oh ffs. RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE!!! NATO did not invade anyone. Is it really so hard to understand? Russia has CONTINUALLY invaded its neighbors throughout history (do I need to remind you: Poland 1939, Finland 1939, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Chechnya 1994 and 2000, Georgia 2008 and Ukraine 2014 and 2022). Is it any wonder that countries bordering Russia are begge the west to be part of NATO? The rest of your post was just paranoid Kremlin propaganda.

Well, was it, in fact, a coup? Do newspapers mention this?

@@Buster_Piles hey OPEN YOUR EYES : RUSSIA HAS NOT RESPECTED THE MINSK AGREEMENT - WHICH THEY SIGNED - Ukraine got rid of the Nukes and hey presto Russia goes and invades ... please open your eyes - they seem very shut

Because the American appointed Ukrainian government bombed ethnic Russians for 8 years before Putin invaded.

He is most certainly not!

Yes so she can go on holiday

she is an idiot talking about the russians torture rape etc, this is not the red army of 1944/45 . and the problem is the corrupt usa ! from the colony of scotland.

She is very much in the mould of a politician, lots to say with no substance.

Evidence based reasoning is not the forte of opportunists like her. She’s a demagogic journalist who just seeks to jump on the Brexit bandwagon, regurgitating neo-conservative (strong military state, small government state) tropes. Ultimately, I doubt she understands what she is talking about. She suffers from Munich syndrome where every new far away despot is Hitler and wants to take over the entire earth given the chance.

Hitchens couldn't have won against the grade-schooler: He couldn't state an argument, as usual. He needs to go back to school and learn what an argument is. You, too, if you think he had an argument.

How did Hitchens win exactly? From what I saw he is lost in his own unintelligible drivel ... you cant make a stand like this and then say you dont support Putin and dont have an answer ... but hes a god believer so Im just waiting for his solution to be : let God sort this out

"Whoses side are you on?" Russia's, look to history.

Tribal warfare then? I support Celtic

Critical thinking is the ability to effectively analyze information and form a judgment. It also involves being aware of your own biases. Hitchens might pass the analyze and judgement test, but he fails miserably, being aware of his own baises. His disdain of the West clouds his rational.

It's quite obvious that Peter is on Putin's side!

You summed her up nicely

Why would anyone listen to Hitchens' uncoherent ramblings!

Putin wasn't in power in 94. And there were no NATO bases in Poland before Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 he wasnt in power no , i got my year wrong, but the meeting happened and that was said. I also think you need to read what i said , there were US troops in poland , still are around 10k at the last count . These went in when Russia left. Putin has said again he wanted to de nazify Ukraine and i can understand him saying that , i think everyone who has an opinion of Ukraine needs to watch ross kemp extreme world in ukraine (about 2017) you will see how bad the comuntry is and Puitn would be justified in wanting to de nazify a country like that especially as Russia lost more men to the nazis in ww2 than anyone else . Watch that program and tell me Ukraine is this lovely democracy , far from it . I dont agree with Putin but i can see why Russia might be fed up of US and NATO encroachment on Russia

@@nickedwards2904 Poland and the Baltics are not 'their states'. The Russian empire is gone. No one in europe wants it back. There were no promises made to Putin or anyone on limiting new membership of NATO. Thats why Putin never provides any documents. Its just yet more lies to justify annexing territory from another country. And no one take's Putin's nazi claims seriously. Ukraine's president is Jewish. The far right polls less in Ukraine than anytime since independence. Certainly less than in Russia. And it doesn't make much sense Putin claiming he wants to 'denazify' Ukraine when he's sent in Wagner. A mercenary group of ex-criminals led by a literal nazi.

No point arguing with the slug nuts level IQ. Your OP is correct and not need any defence. Always those incapable of violence who want war to expand. Clown world

@@chrisj9700 and i did say i had the year wrong, so i did correct myself. So check how many ex USSR states that NATO have snapped up, 14 as i sadi. Also check how many US troops in Poland etc the ex warsaw pact countries. I got a year wrong , i am so so so sorry, it wasnt a lie on what was said though

ha ha ha

She parrots the same as the rest of the MSM . They will all fight to the last Ukranian .

problem here is he started to sound like a Putin/russian apologist, its all our fault me made them invade and kill hundreds of thousands of people

So providing Ukraine with air defense systems is killing Ukrainians or what?

It goes back further, and it's actually about Britain. We're the ones really pulling the strings on this, America is our proxy.

You might want to check up on Hersh's ridiculous track record before fallign for his version of events. His case for the US being behind it has already started to collapse. As one might expect after Russian ships were known to be suspiciously active around it... Not forgetting how it got Gazprom out of potentially billions in legal damages.

@@Xenomorphine Hersh is probably one of the most respected journalists on the planet. You only need to understand what the US wants from this war to understand that it was the US that blew up the pipeline. You clearly do not understand.

US Petroleum? Where are they getting this petroleum you mention? I thought they were dependent on the gulf states for petroleum? Am I missing something?

@@Xenomorphine Hersch?

No it's not. Claiming that the West is responsible for a war that Putin started can only be described as idiotic!

It's quite clear that Peter is on Putin's side!

Are you being sarcastic?

@@gerardk51 Me? Sarcastic? Never! Well, almost never.

especially when the interviewed is armed with facts and history. So the nervous over talking helps to disguise her ignorance and bias.

Julia hogged the mic 🎤 for 18 minutes out of the 20 allocated

@@tristansolero2159 Nonsense.

Politics; A chess game for the rich.

Great debate?!! I spat out my green tea when I read your comment. Julia spoke for 18min out of 20, having demonstrated that she thinks the earth is basically made up only of topsoil. Her knowledge and depth here lack any modicum of research, history, cause-and-effect etc. It’s called bloviating. She’s become a master at it. You’d think Boris Johnson and her ate at the same bullshittery factory Julia’s argument and debating style is like listening to a person describe what she sees whilst she’s wearing virtual reality googles and has a “talking points” soundtrack chosen by CNN and BBC political editors plugged into her ears at the same time. There is absolutely no depth and sophistication to her argument other than, rather ironically, and with a straight face, saying “that’s why I am a Brexiteer” as though it makes her correct and an anointed view. (She even misses the point that both Boris Johnson and Sunak “voted for Brexit” and it’s anything but!). Peter was clearly exasperated being forced to a wildly inferior intellect whose only advantage was that she hogged the mic 🎙️ and is evidently proud of wearing an honourary badge that would read: “Loud Imbecile, who doesn’t pause for breath” Julia, seriously needs to try some joined-up thinking instead of pandering to the handful of simpletons who consume the diet of compliant mainstream narrative you’ve become an expert conspirator and shill for

You got it entirely backwards: the Ukrainians rebeled against a Russian puppet (Yanukovich), the parliament voted him out of office and he subsequently fled to Russia(!) of all places. As retaliation for removing his stooge, Putin occupied Crimea.

Well said. I hate the fact that the world ignored The Russian people being murdered since 2014. Somebody had to defend them. And Russia is not a friend of my country i am Albanian and Russia supports Serbia. But, we have to judge them based on the facts. Is sad innocent people are dying as a result of this conflict and i hope peace will come soon to them but Russia is not to blame here.

They're already being FORCED to fight to the last Ukrainian - by Putin.

The Ukrainians want to fight off the invaders, you clueless idiot!

Let's not forget their importance in WW2. The U.S. gov is a disgrace.

She sounds so ignorant...exhibit one of the UK education system.

Utterly ridiculous comment. Russians could have stayed home and sorted out their own failing state.

They had the option to do nothing; to live in peace in their own territory. What do you think would have been the downside to this?

They were... Given no other option? I'd say maybe NOT foolishly invading Ukraine was a perfectly viable option. Not illegally anexing Crimea in 2014 was also an option, but I guess you thought they were 'forced' to do that, too. Poor Putin, being forced to constantly launch genocidal invasions. Poor Chinese communist Party, too. They're going to be 'forced' to invade Taiwan. And poor Hitler, being forced to invade Poland (alongside the Soviets, who allied with him). Poor Argentina, being forced to invade the Falklands, too.

@@Xenomorphine yeah, listening to the pathetic Putin apologizing trolls is nauseating.

@@ModerateObserver That's precisely option they were NOT given. Educate yourself.

Why exactly?

Do try anyway: What is she wrong about?

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Everything.

You can always have peace if you surrender. Is that what the Ukrainians should do?

Tell Puler then he started his ego war. Ukraine are just defending THEIR land.

@@mrdemocracy7106 I don't understand

@@assassinsunite3434 Russia/Putin started this war, and it's up to him to end it!

@@ThomasDanielsen1000 No USA did and vlad will end it

Only this one?

​@@NickName-ms3zcDefinitely this one. Other takes of hers are open for debate. This one isn't when you consider all the facts. The West have been poking the Bear for 3 decades, thus being a major catalyst to this war (which began in 2014, in actuality).