Julia Hartley-Brewer CHALLENGES BMA’s Dr Robert Laurenson Over Junior Doctors Strike 

MPs gave themselves a 42% pay rise since 2010 whereas Drs have had a 26% cut.

For those asking if this is unethical, No, technically they are not harming, there needs to be an established patient-doctor/provider relationship in a professional setting before you can claim what your doctor did as harmful ergo not immoral, you can't ask doctors outside of healthcare setups for someone suffering inside/outside of hospitals. As a doctor in Africa, If anyone knows anything about problems in healthcare, they have heard about the Swiss cheese model, and putting the blame solely on those doctors especially when it's systemic isn't wise, it will do nothing but make things worse for patients, which you may not care for but just know even if you are the most healthy, your kidney starts losing their function starting from age 30, your lungs will progressively lose their elasticity after age 20… and whatever you are smoking won't help you when you will prematurely pass away from stroke or diabetes or cancer because you didn't listen to your doctor or when you don't have a doctor to help you early on. In the end, you will pass in the company of the compassionate people you choose to degrade when they ask for more to help with your suffering. You will rest surrounded by the best humanity has to offer, which couldn't do more because of the likes of you. Doctors will be there for you even if you hate them just because you are envious they are living the life you only wish to live.

how much this Rupert geezer on?

Sadly in this Country if you have a strong union you can hold employer's to ransom, the vast majority have no such clout. I believe striking for poor conditions is perhaps ok but if you dont feel your being paid enough in real world you find another job. 21% pension contribution and many other perks, grade rises annualy ( on top of increases) the figures quoted are nothing short of a lie. NO DOCTOR is on £14 per hour.

I would say the reason they need a 30% raise to put them back to 2007 levels of pay is because they have not been striking enough, they should have never let it get this bad, as soon as they missed a few years of pay rises they should have striking, then they would have seemed much more reasonable as they would only be asking for like 1% more each time.

Waiting lists have f'all to do with the huge salaries doctors get.

Do they get paid while on strike ?

Brrxit has failed

“I bargained with Life for a penny, and Life would pay no more, However I begged at evening When I counted my scanty store; Life is a just employer. He gives you what you ask, But once you have set the wages, Why, you must bear the task. I worked for a menial's hire, Only to learn, dismayed, That any wage I had asked of Life, Life would have willingly paid”

There never is a good time for a junior doctor to strike. They always are needed. That said. Junior doctors should strike when their pay is so low that for them to ask patients, “Would you like a side of chips with that diagnosis?” is reasonably made joke. They are in that situation right now.

Didn’t they take an oath of ‘first do no harm’?

Make it happen that when you get trained by the NHS, if you leave within 5 years you must pay for all the training, it what most workforces do now, if you leave within 1 year of completing the training course paid for by the employer then the employee pays back the costs. I say 5 years as it costs a lot more to train a doctor than it does for someone in factory work.

In a democracy young doctors have no need to justify going on strike, it is their right, and it is to their credit that they have not done so before now. They have no more responsiblity for the people that are ill, than any plumber or electrician working in the NHS. It is the government of the day’s responsibility, to ensure patients welfare, by treating employees equally and fairly. Young doctors need to eat, raise families and keep a roof over their head, like everyone else. The horrible gas-lighting phrase junior doctors, deliberately creates the illusion that this group are all children in training and inexperienced, they are not. The Tory government are throwing away the money that would solve this issue, by pursuing their own agenda to create a second class health service, forcing the introduction of the new role of “Physicians Assistants”, they have an agenda that will destroy the NHS as we know it. These young highly trained doctors are being replaced by “Physicians Assistants” who have a very basic three year training course, in which they have a 100% pass rate, and are paid much more than the young doctors they are replacing. The advantage for the Tories is that P-A’s will be a captive resource of the NHS, as no other country will want to poach them. Once the NHS has been populated with P-A’s they can then remove the subsidy and cut their wages, to make the NHS cheaper and more affordable, at the expense of the patients. People will die because of the introduction of P-A’s, but there is no media campaign about them. The UK will end up with a two tier health system unless people wake up. If you want an actual safe NHS for the future, you should support these young people in their pursuit of a living wage, force the government to negotiate with them without conditions. At the very least they should be offered the same as their superiors, the consultants. The consultants unfortunately are being used as strike breakers, induced by getting a free resource, P-A’s unlike doctors have a 100% subsidy, and consultants are needed to introduce P-A’s to replace doctors. The Consultants offer is their 13 pieces of silver. To assist the Tories in the destruction of the NHS, enabling consultants to also line their own pockets, and reduce their workload. This is why young doctors are being offered a fraction of the consultants offer, and talks with them made conditional on the strike being called off. If you want a safe NHS to attend during all the health crisis in your life, ignore the media and government gas lighting and support the young doctors in their struggle to save the NHS.

If you don't like the pay and conditions, resign and do something else , somewhere else

Shows that they don't care about the patients they are only there for the money they will get more pay and want to work less hours absolutely selfish ruining people's lives by not getting the care they urgently need

The underfunding of NHS is immoral. "...has a limited number of people in Britain training to be doctors ". But it takes doctors to train doctors. How do you find more doctors to train more doctors if you don't have enough doctors in the UK? So, you won't dream of solving that problem within 5-10 years. You will be talking about 15 years down the road even if Government sincerely try to deal with the root cause of the problem. Yes, in the current circumstance, if we want to train a lot more UK-made medical staff in the next 10 years, the starting point is to hire more medical staff from outside the UK and increase the pay of the current staff so they don't leave to Australia, Canada or USA.

I THOUGHT BREXIT SAVE NHS 350 MILLION POUNDS A WEEK?

Rhino 🦏 virus 😂

It's disgraceful we pay their wages and education. Its another form of inflicting 1:13 terror on public. Get back to work and do your job. Other graduates do not cause death sentences on patients. First do no harm. Not many poor doctors about.

All brexit lies

These passes have blocked me because I have been consistent in pointing out how absolutely pathetic they are. I have, and can prove, been wrecked by the lack of professional of these chanting muppets.

Brexit disaster

Oh shut up!!! Lets get to the fact your not getting a pay rise! Lets see some improvements before even thinking about giving them a pay rise, tell me why waiting times are so long, iv seen with my own eyes that they stand around MOANING about patients or what they done on the weekend sorry but you have a break for that during working hours thats why its called a break not when tou dealing with a customer. You chose the career path knowing pays crap and hours are crap and now your crying because you cant buy to expensive wine well im sorry WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!

If this strike wasn't so obviously 'political' then I might have some sympathy. They get paid a decent wage for a 'trainee'. Everyone's cost of living has increased, that doesn't automatically mean wages should rise to cover that cost. We have a situation where many people have never had to 'tighten their belts' and have no financial savvy. Yes its tough, but patients should not suffer because of it. Does the Oath they took mean nothing?

Who is this muppet... seriously?

It's immoral to do harm to patients which they're gonna do by striking.

Yes! it IS immoral…. striking doctors cause harm