Cyrus was right there was a war room council a real live kangaroo court taking place in his living room Flipper and the black man in general was on trial.
If that's true it would explain why this particular conversation is so realistic, relatable & still relevant. They were speaking from concerns & current topics, (of their time) in their own lives
I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Japanese-American. In 1991 or 1992, in Time Magazine (when it used to be a legit credible magazine), Spike Lee was interviewed, and he did say, that in this scene, "the women totally forgot about the script, and just spoke about their own real life experiences."
Actress Yvonne Stickney said in an interview this scene was improved. Spike gave them control and told them to do their thing. I think that’s why this scene has so much rawness and authenticity in it.
The question is, will it be more effective in today's society? And I think it will be, but until it is, it's gonna be hard to verify that I think it'll be more effective.
There was no 'ball' that was dropped. 90% of black men's marriages are to black women. It's just a lot of black women complaining about the 1% of men that have access to every women, regardless of race. You see they either talked about wanting some hung African stereotype or complained about successful men with white women. And that's all this comes down to...black women not getting the specific type of black men they want.
Oh please most BW are dating trash truck guys and when they are abused or left as baby mammas Blk men then scream ..”you should chosen better”. Can’t have it both ways
@@marcusmajors6196 education in modern society goes beyond the classroom. People look at folks sideways when they have no skills, don't read and are unwilling to learn anything.
@@SpiritualLifeCoach43: Too many BW here in the US are undatable interracial dating here has exploded in the Black male group with non BW and the Gen Z'ers are not looking back.
@@carbonsnail014 Until we all go God's way, none of it is gonna work out. It aint about race, it is about souls, integrity, morals, values, boundaries, and respect.
@@SpiritualLifeCoach43: It's about the distruction of the former Black community which no exist here in the US and feminsm played a major role in destroying it. Black men are leaving the US to find tradition women in other parts of the globe perhaps its by Gods disign.
the women in orange is delusional and has self hatred issues for both her skin and black men and thinks white men will treat her better despite the fact almost every white character in this movie was racist asf 😂
My pastor told me to ask myself if what I do pleases God, and if it does that's all that matters. I have dated white men, black, hispanic, asian/black, etc... I prayed for Father to send me a good man and that's it. I have been blessed to be engaged to a handsome black man, and I get married in July,but even if he wasn't black it would still be a blessing. Sistas just be with a man that makes you happy no matter what his race.You might miss out on a blessing.
You should have been cuffed by 29. It won’t get any better. Idris Elba is not coming to rescue soon to be middle aged women. Blame your daddy for not telling you the truth.
Definitely talented. Hollywood missed an opportunity to give her great roles in her prime and even now. They’re wasting her, wasting her because their racism blinds them.
My favorite scene in this movie! For the most part, I paid more attention to Gator's story(Mr. Jackson was a good in this), but being a black woman and having this Saturday conversation, with my friends, I can relate.
This scene was how many yrs ago ?? It’s now 2021 & look !!! The same ish is still going on but worse !! This movie told some cold hard truth !! This sister circle reminds me of my boo Cyn G Nylah & Angela
😓 Damn… we (black women) are still having this exact same conversation. I swear, I know women who have the EXACT same arguments as each of these characters.
James Gibson What do you think the biggest issue is between black relationships? Is it cheating by black men? Do you think hip hop programming has something to do with it? I haven’t been in enough relationships to voice a fair opinion on black relationships.
@@spanishbutterfly8546 yes. I'm an author an I wrote a book on cheating believe it or not. One big issue is the ratio of women to men there are in the 🌎. You fine ladies outnumber us at least 4 to 1. But here's the kicker: most black men reall don't appreciate black women. Black men are the only race of that willfully put down and destroy their women. I don't understand that dichotomy. Black women will hold down black men like no other and yet, many black men don't care to reciprocate that love and support. That's heartbreaking.
James Gibson I think Misogyny is a 🌎 problem Not a black problem. I appreciate your response and congratulations 🎉 on your book ( how can you purchase it?)
@@donnasreviewandrandomthoug6504 Oh wow! I never would have known! she looks so much like her. No that i look at her again I realize it not her. Both actresses look like they could be sisters tho lol
As a darker woman that was with a very ight skinned man before, we had this discussion and he said he dealt with a lot because e is so light. I dealt with a lot for being dark. Go figure🤔🤔 We all deal with something at the end of the day.
Sh*t I don't mind dating a bus driver, a garage man and a long as someone with a decent income and an average Joe as long he is my type!!! No ex felons or drug dealer or a man with many kids by multiple different women. He can have 1 kid!!! I'm being more realistic!!
I am a black woman, and I have a black husband, and I know that all black brothers ain't just goin to the white women, And please believe me my man is a good one, Please believe me! LOL!
Well..lve been with blk man 4 nine yrs...im 1st blk hes dated...wife #1 wht...ex gf wht...he opened his eyes with me wife cheated with wht man and left him...ex gf was a drunk who was 12 yrs his senior...im not cheater nor drunk..but l get insecure bc if we split...wld he go back to wht....
I feel the scene is supposed to Give you an unadulterated insight on how black females in the movie feel they are treated in the world. And how they feel inferior simply for being black women. That's the sad part about it. Some of the conversation was very problematic while some of it was forward thinking. As for the D I believe they were saying they man only wants her..he only has eyes for her and he only wants sex from her. All women wants meaniful sex from their partner
This is a really fantastic scene. Very raw and honest dialogue and a great mix of different perspectives. A lot of directors wouldn't have the guts to devote five whole minutes to a conversation like this but it adds to the realism and charm of the film.
Tariq Nasheed said it best when it comes to the word “successful”. Everybody’s meaning of the word is gonna be defined differently. The super vast majority of Black women who say they want a successful Black Man. The majority want them to be millionaires. Or make 2,3,4 or 500 thousand dollars a year. Like the unrealistic expectations of Black Women are insane. I know it’s not all Black Women, but it is the majority.
Everybody who starred in that movie was a product of "Jungle Fever" at some time, place or another, methinks. Mediterraneans carry ancient Black genes, though many to most deny it. In the film, PAUL got the classiest woman-Or(r)in.
@@davism3800 Let's see---Lonette McKee today could EASILY fill in for Aida Turturro as Jan Soprano; John and Nick Turturro with wooly hair, the fact that Mediterraneans can get Sickle Cell....YOU tell ME.
@@ProfHarp-ck3nl You're cherry-picking individual people who have features you deem to be 'black'. Sickle cell disease isn't unique to blacks. And none of this proves your original statement about "ancient Black genes". The vast majority of southern Europeans don't look like the people you named.
All the guys (that she liked, who were light skinned also) were running after light skinned girls. Like dark brothers haven't suffered from colorism. Especially in the 80s. White women leveled the field cause they liked us dark as they could get us. 😅
I have watched it last night to celebrate 30 years of Jungle Fever. When that scene shows up, I said to myself, 'let me silent myself and their own words'. Straight up!!
And years later black women still saying this about black man and still don't have a clue no matter how many times you tell em ...the disrespectful sisterhood is why your losing your man....
over 30 years later and you can find the same conversation word for word amongst a group of black women talking about dating. we've remained stagnate and that's gotta change. I don't have an answer but Dang it can't stay like this
We’re going to have to start dating white men???… is that the only races to choose from??? Y’all make me sick to my stomach with that!!!! I believe their are others on the menu.
All of these sisters in this scene are GORGEOUS women, Flipper doesn't have any self-hate issues and nor does he dislike his woman, he just GAVE INTO TEMPTATION!
Facts, Angie grew on him and they both were curious. He was bound to hit it was a matter of time. Long nights in the office, conversations were getting better, they were having dinner in the office together and then the next thing led to another. Temptation is a MFka.
@Richbar 1266 did you even watch the movie flipper gave into temptation he never looked else where and I didn’t know you were the spokes person for black men everywhere lol gtfo 😂
Lets be real here I've dated a blck bus driver and he made good money too and he still wasn't ish tbh the girl that said date outside your race was spitting fax period idgaf
This film brought back so many memories. The successful black man line was crazy. Being that Clarence Thomas just became a SCOTUS when this film was out. Anita Hill was used to drag him while he took the seat. Meanwhile, he was “dancing with Snow 🐰” at home.
Anita Hill told the truth then. Clearance Thomas has shown his true colors or lack thereof. She tried to tell everyone back then but everyone was so concerned about how he was being treated that they overlooked his true nature. Now he is the most compromised Justice in Supreme Court history. No ethics, morals, values. But hey he got him a YT wife so .......
Watching this particular scene in Jungle Fever I remember watching The New York Times channel and there was a video about black women called a Conversation with Black Women and it was one of the saddest informative videos I had seen. There were multiple Black Sistas they talked to but one stood out to me because she spoke on how her and none of her girlfriends had boyfriends and you could tell that it was affecting her self esteem and it made her feel unattractive.
We are programed to hate our selfs. But when you step back you see we are not to blame. And pointing a finger does nothing.See the TRICK'S AND HEAL THY SELF
@Attila Steele some truth but I have brothers and they sometimes feel the same way. To be honest this conversation can happen with any race and weight can also be part of the conversation. So what my friends and I concluded that rather your a woman or a man of any race or weight, finding that special someone is difficult but not impossible. First people need to find love in themselves and then love will come. Worry less about what others think of you. Also you might lose your person to someone of the same race or another race. Don’t worry about the past when you still have the present and future.
I remember when this movie came out in the summer of 1991. I was 25 yrs old. Oprah even pointed out this scene, because it is a timeless familiar dialogue that we sistas have all had!!!!!! I'm 57 now & nothing's changed!!!!!!
It’s even harder to meet a good woman. One who is really single and not juggling multiple men at one time, no kids, know how to cook and keep the nest clean🪺.
First time I ever heard a conversation on colorism...I was 12. And being from California, I was a black kid who just liked pretty girls. Some dark, some light, some Latina, some white. Sounds Dr. Seuss like but it's true. I didn't care. Still don't. But what this scene some 29 years later illuminates to me is this...it's not black men dating interracially that bothers black women. It's SUCCESSFUL black men. Or the 1% of black men they feel like they have some birth right to. Much of this scene is ad-libbed...Spike wanted the women to actually talk about it freely. And the same things I hear as an adult are what were being said back then. It's just, the rest of us as black men have to hear this b/s when the rub is, black women have NO PROBLEMS with the blackness of biracial women...when they are with non black men. They feel chose by proxy when Meghan Markle was marrying Prince Harry. But when those same women are with black men, their blackness goes under assault. And the irony of all this is, I worked in TV news for 10 years. I don't profess to think that my experiences represent all experiences...but all of the black, professional, and dark skinned women I was attracted to...were married to white men. ALL. OF. THEM. ALLLLLLLL OF THEM. Didn't bat an eye. But the truth is, that type of relationship doesn't have 1/1000th of the stigma that a black man with a white woman does.
It's not the top 1% of Black men. We just want Black men who can protect, provide, and problem-solve without going outside of the law and who don't have five or ten other babymamas floating around out there. There simply aren't enough Black men who can do/say that.
I actually think there’s more stigma with black women dating out than black men. Nowadays anyway. But I do agree that some black women think they are entitled to black men somehow but that goes both ways too.
@Lokie Thunder I literally said, "I don't profess to think that my experiences represent all experiences"...something a lot of Black women won't bother to say when saying stuff like "all men ain't shit" or "There simply aren't enough Black men who can do/say that."...see there's NEVER any push back to those kinds of statements, because in YOUR EXPERIENCE, they might ring true. I'm not going to let you devalue what I've seen and literally what I've experienced. The moment Black men dare to actually take account what they see and experience we get lumped in with all the rest, irrespective of how disconnected we might be. But that's the RUB...you say you want a certain type, but don't seem to seek it out until it is someone outside. But we don't get to have honest discussions about that. Black women don't want a white thug, but whether someone like you will admit it or not, there are A LOT from the highly educated to the hoodest of rats, that absolutely want it in a Black man. But then you get what you were attracted to and then wanna get upset. And I stand on what I said, because Meghan Markle didn't advance anyone but Meghan Markle, but she sure as hell was being CELEBRATED by a whole helluva lot of Black women. So don't do that.
The black woman in this scene who dates all races made the most sense. She didn’t let black men be her only option which is the mistake a lot of sistas make. They have this so-called allegiance to date/marry only black men, all while black men don’t mind dating/marrying every race over the spectrum. They don’t have no allegiance to only be with black women and never did. I wish black women would stop sacrificing their happiness and selling themselves short.
These woman are so beautiful! They didn’t have to act on this scene, just natural. If I was a black man, I would love to be with one of these woman. She’s right about the college scenario. At a club white girls were all up on black boys. Of course the black guys didn’t care, they could throw those black men in the street as long as she gives a little he’s happy. I bet she wouldn’t take any of them home to daddy. They’ll risk being hung from a tree and their nuts cut off just to be with a white girl and still disrespect a black woman.
@@Truename586wake up, it’s still happening. Black men are still being hung from trees, and it’s listed as a “suicide” when we know that’s not true. Look it up.
That's righttttttttttttttt I know that's right!!! It reminds me of my mother with my aunts and female cousins right here!!! Hmmmmmm hmmmmm hmmmmmmmm...but the black man we go for the white woman, Latina woman, Asian woman or Middle Eastern woman!!!
The girl talking about truck drivers and garbage man was over looked. They over look them mad at them for finding someone else. As far as Wesley leaving for red bone for the Whyte woman was more about age and personality than race.
