Funny. My first car a Chevy when I was 14. Stupid distributor in the back. My nees hurt every time I adjusted the points. I switched to Ford because of the distributor location.
@@mitchanderson5813 An FE weighs 100 lbs less than a 460. I have had them on a scale. And have Blair Patrick build you an FE he can show you the power. He built a 400 ci one with iron heads and a Trick Flow intake that won vintage class against every thing including a 427 Chevy. It made 517 ft lbs and 597 hp with iron 64 352 ported heads. He had 528 and 610 hp on his dyno in TN, so it lost a few on the trip, lol. I have flowed and ported both and you would be quite surprised.
Literally bought a carbed sealed running 460 last week with a torquer for $250. That’s the base for my obs 460 replacement. Gonna run Holley terminator X efi because it’s a hunting/play rig with a lot of elevation change in between. Stoked about this vid right now!
I'm GM, Mopar guy, like them all though. That said I forgot about the 460. My friends dad had a 69 marquis, 428, 429, can't remember exactly, what I do remember was being pinned in the back seat when his lead foot father drove. Holy moly that land yacht could scoot.
Oh yes, always a big block guy even though i've never really owned one.. When i was 7yrs old i remember me leaning fowards on the center console of my pop's 84 Bronco with the 351W n he floored it n i freaken hit the back seat so hard, felt like a jet..lol Finally let off on a sharp curve n i felt i could breath again.. Floored it again n i hit the seat again..lol i can only fantisize of the pleasure you felt on that big block.. 😬😲😁 My facial expressions..lol
@@P71ScrewHead I remember it feeling like the G force of a roller coaster. Stomach up in the throat, no seat belts as usual. If you were looking right for example, that's how you stayed until he let out of it. This was a 4 door standard land barge.
@@jesse75 This 69 was a basic car from that era, now that you mentioned it didn't rumble or anything like that. When he floored it, we looked like Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase coming out of the G force simulator.
I remember back in 1976 my brother bought a 1972 Buick Gran Sport Stage 1with that sweet 455! Dark blue with white leather interior. Many, many long burn outs and more than a few surprised opponents in the rear view mirror!
That was a great old-school iron headed bunch of builds. You were pretty lucky to score that old pre 70s block with the overbored slugs in it, that's a wrecker find right there. From the days when 500 HP was a huge deal and not every driveway could brag about numbers like that. Would have been nice to see a comparison of the EFI 460 heads but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they're probably pigs and would be hard pressed to make any real power so I won't snivel too long and hard. Plus the hassle of digging some out of a wrecking yard and setting up the EFI just to have 1973 power levels. Yay. But yeah, that was a fun series of dyno tests from 'the other guys'.
YESSSSSSSS...My blood is blue and When asked my answer is .yes i do have a big blick..lol...richard os king of Building and giving us guys the no bs way to build our cars..and i know i appreciate it so so so much .. his time talent snd knowledge to me and us is priceless...thank you brother ❤
We found it pretty easy to get 500+ engine dyno horsepers from a relatively cheap, reliable, and street-able 460 with just a MSD, 10.5:1 or so pistons, solid flat lifter cam, springs, adjustable rockers, headers, single plane intake, 850 carb, and mild ported early iron closed chamber heads. Back in the 90;s, it could be done for about $2k for the junkyard core, machining, and parts. Made me wonder why the abundant and unloved 429 / 460 wasn't more popular, especially in NA trucks and fox bodies.
Let’s see if we can’t get Richard to challenge himself and build a 390 fe with stock heads and stroke. Just compression and cam! Old school is coming back, we are all tired of the ls and the sound. It’s just not the same as old school!
@@richardholdener1727 I don't know what state you live in ? I know where there are aleast three 390's. In a out of the way farm land area wrecking yard. I've pulled at least 70 engines out of the place. I focused more on the Cleveland and Windsor engines. FE means F!cken Expensive. But I noticed the engine is making a comeback. I've recently sold two of them rebuilt. I found a 360 for cheap. It's nearly finished. I'd tell you where to get them,$250 , but then the whole world knows. Be interesting to take a running old stocker. Put it on the Dyno and start from there.
i'd hate to ruffle feathers, but i think some haven't noticed these series are basically, "let's use the boss' equipment and raid the supply closet" material. FE used to stand for "science name for iron" since they also were heavy as guilt :) nowadays you can pick up a roller 351W block, forged 302 slugs, and a $400 stroker crank and have a 392cid that'll give any 390 a run for its money--cheaper, lighter and there's junkyard EFI for it. ford should have done a lot more with the 390 to go up against the 396 in the mid 1960's. they already had a tripower 401 hp formula from 1961. But then Tasca wouldn't have the need to give us the 428 CJ. And of course too bad the 429 didn't become a performance engine until the end of the era--it moved Torinos down the quarter in 13 seconds, pretty stout for 1970. The Lima series would have battled the rat for dominence in the 1970's if only there'd been more CJ heads lying around for hot rodders, but the Rat had been out since 1965 so it had more parts at affordable prices.
I almost bought a Ford racing 460 aluminum engine years ago that was based from the 351w. When i decided i was gonna get the 460, Ford discontinued it and i settled on the 427 version instead.
I’d love to see you put a set of f3 heads on one, with a carb adapter to the stock intake. Then run a ported set for comparison. The numbers I’ve seen from ported fuelie heads flow almost what ported D0VE heads do.
Great stuff. I am building the same motor as the 400 hp variant for a 4x4 truck. I suspect you are spot on why the low end torque dropped off. It would have been interesting to stick with stock intake for comparison in that config.
just a suggestion, Richard, I'd like to see a comparison between running a gasoline type fuel, versus methanol (100%). I think there are some surprises to be found with simply a fuel change by itself.
My 460 is a 477, Trickflow290 heads, Lunati 642/642--- 278/286 adv solid roller, Forged 9.4 Racetech pistons , stock crank , h beam rods, Torke r2 intake, 2 3582 turbos. port matched and ARP studs top and bottom.
The solid cam didn't make that much more power than the hydraulic but it was a big difference in cam timing. A 236/240 is a lot more livable for street driving than a 264/268. Maybe the head flow of the ported stock heads was the limiting factor?
I've found with mechanicals they don't lose much down low with the gain of smaller lifter lash vs piston movement in a hydraulic and should be judged more at the advertised .006 duration to compare in drivability.
His opening makes me think of a Supra joke I read on The Corral probably 2 decades ago or more. What do 300, 400, and 500 horsepower Supras have in common? 12 second time slips.
Thanks Richard. That 500 horse setup (that made over 550hp) is a great package for my f150! That's allota torque in the 8.8 rear-end, but I've seen more! I got a couple 9" anyway!😂😂😂😂
Yea, I have 93 Ford luxury coach F150 I inherited! Now, I've raced can't valves stroked Windsor based motors years ago! My 94F150 flareside seems like a great candidate for this!😂😂
@@bigboreracing356 I agree any engine can beat another.. There's a guy who competed in Street Outlawz recently with a 4.6L 2v n won 🏆or came close to it.. Tiny 281ci v8..lol 😆🤣
Why is it that most 460s at 10.5 comp, a flat tappet cam and intake make about 450-500 hp. Especially with ported stock heads. And he makes 610. Bloodviking
We have a Big Block 429 In the 1956 Ford F100 we pulled the motor and C6 transmission from a 73 Ford T-bird Back in Probably 05-06 We Bought the whole car titled running Driving For $1000 The Rebuilt Motor Had about 3500 Miles and the Transmission had About 10K Miles. We were looking for an old 5.0 Mustang for the Motor swap But this 429 was Just too Good Of a deal to Pass up On. What is your Thoughts on the Best way to reduce weight from the Motor? By Best i mean what would give the most Bang for The Buck? Its so rare to find Big Block Ford content.
If 429/460s came in cars like camaros, chevelles, novas el caminos corvettes etc like a certain brand x’s big block did, the hot rod world would look way different. Ford stuck with the old FE way longer than they should have.
@@mitchanderson5813 very true, chevy had the rat in 1965 and the 429 didn't reach cobra jet status until 1970, where it made 13 second cars just as the party was coming to a close.
Factory rated at 360 HP until after 1970. (DOVE engines). "385" series Ford engines are capable of high HP. 429 SCJ factory engines actual HP was 485 HP.
Mine was a 2bolt sprayed plenty and never broke. Even cammed it never saw more than 6k...5500 was all you needed they made so much torque from low rpm on you just hit the next gear. You could break the tires loose at a lower rpm for drifting.
When did Ford quit dogging down the 460 by retarding the timing chain set. I know in the late 1970's these engines where fuel sucking dogs. I had one in a 1979 F 150 Camper Special.
