JUNKYARD 6.0L LS CAM TEST-STOCK VS BTR TRUCK (STG 1-3) VS LS3 VS SLOPPY STAGE 2 VS (BIG) COMP 469 

Funny they made this right after I requested a tight LSA towing cam….NICE

I was telling Richard the same thing. For a great low cost 6.0 build, you can't go wrong with a sloppy stage 2 cam. A used set of rec port heads and a used ls3 intake and fuel setup! You are now making 500+ hp and 475+ of tq! You can't do any better unless you are buying performance heads, intake or fuel systems

@@crw3673 maybe my first setup on my lq4 when I get it

So would the sloppy 2 be a good street/driver / cruiser cam too?

​@@navorgonzalez2744my question as well

What do you think about the Summit 8710 or 8711 camshafts? Especially for the price, against the comp camshaft?

@@crw3673 I'm not an authority on camshafts. But like everyone else, I have opinions. The Comp Cam is 231/247 and Lift .617/.624. Summit's Stage 3 is 230/242 113+3, .625/.605 Lift and the Stage IV is 234/247 113 +3.5 .625/.605 Lift. Numbers-wise, there isn't a huge difference in intake duration, or exhaust duration, or even lift. *IF* the "best" cam in the bunch made 25 dyno (flywheel) hp more than the "worst" in the bunch, would you notice it on the street? Maybe in a very light car... So then there's quality and customer service. Both companies have solid products and great customer service. That's my opinion. Comp Cams LSR lobes are supposed to be the latest and greatest designs. Unless you're engineer, how can you argue? Tip top technology is not cheap. Is the extra $150 worth it over a Summit cam which is probably a solid time-tested design? I can't answer that one.

@@scotttimpany2845 appreciate your explanation and response

@@scotttimpany2845. All good choices. My 394Ci 6.4L Hemi Stroker in my heavy Ram 1500 Crew Cab 4dr has a 233/246 112LSA with +5 advance. Cam was made to give lots of bottom end and midrange revving out to 6,500. Could have gone bigger in the intake because of the valve reliefs, but I wanted it to drive great on the street. It drives very well, running a 3,600 stall as well with 3.55gears.

@@hendo337 so what is it you’re selling?

I have an 08 burban 2500. I would love to do any of that to it! Always surprises people when they see the 8 lugs.

Is that a real thing? Lol

Yes it's a new one from btr

I got a cam ground for my stock 4.8 with long tubes. And I lucked out, seeing how I knew way less than I do now. I made it 216/220 110+2. Low speed torque was compimised, but started pulling hard around 2700, pulled the hardest 5000-5500, and dropped off shortly after 7000. With the 4l60e trans, it worked best shifting outta 1st at 7100, and 2nd, 3rd shift points were at 6700. The 4.8 makes a small cam seem big. The truck Norris should suit it well.

Youre looking at300hp 300torque to the wheels with truck Norris cam on a 4.8

Whatever cam you think you want, after looking at all the specs, buy the next step down. You'll thank me later

@@jasonhooey5677 why

@@erictapia7806 because most people have a tendency to over cam their engines. You will not feel the extra 15 HP high up in the RPM range, but you will feel the 25 Ft-Lbs of lost torque down low.

The sloppy stage 2 is actually pretty streetable, but the truck cam has better low end. It really depends on how much you want to play with it. I would have went with 243 heads, even with the flat tops. It bumps up the compression some, which really helps with low end torque. The 243 heads flow almost exactly the same as the 317.

​@@doc221978 I figure 10:1 is about all I want to push on 91, That's the best available go go juice in a 60 mile radius. It's my Wife's dream car so I need to keep it somewhat civil and looking to go about 2800 max on the converter. I can always toss some boost on it down the road, that cheap Vortech LS swap kit looks like a great option. First chevy build for me, I've only played with oddballs before like a built 240hp 300-6 and a 300rwhp SC 3.8L Ford.

You are so welcome!

Personally, I wouldn't go with anything bigger than the BTR stage 2 truck cam if you tow..... Otherwise, it's a pretty streetable cam. I ran one in a 5.3 for about a year, and even in a smaller engine it was very streetable.

GREAT NAME

it won't be

a short stroke 5.3l is still a 4.8L (they came with 799/243 heads on the gen 4)

@@richardholdener1727 by a short stroke 5.3 I mean 6.0 with 4.8 crank.

Valhalla awaits your 4L60. Do the right thing.

I was looking at the truck Norris cam but went with the Elgin sloppy stage 2 in a lq4 with 243 heads and all new internals. Unfortunately it'll be infront of a 08 4l60e with a 40k cooler. Hopefully it last a while till I can afford a built 4l60e bc a 4l80e swap isn't gonna be easy in my 4x4 Silverado.

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you can change the lsa with adding overlap on mild cams

The Truck Norris should be what you want. It'll chop though. Just keep a big muffler on it to quiet it down. Its also stock torque converter friendly.

@@cameronf2758 my buddy put one in his truck and it sounds nice just not what I’m looking for. For optimal drivability and performance it definitely needs a stall. It doesn’t buck against the converter but clunks when going into drive/reverse because the factory stall is so tight. It was tuned by a highly reputable tuner so I doubt it’s the tune

same relative gains

YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON V8 CAMS-THE FLAT TAPPET CAMS ARE NOT BILLET CORES-IT WILL WEAR OUT THE CAM

I understand maybe the dude was blowing smoke up my A$$

Did you try a new cam?

@@djmcdonald5508 I haven't decided yet between the BTR NSR stage 1 or the towing cam from BTR. And I'm also considering the truck Norris cam but I don't know if I want to deal with the lopy idol to be totally honest

Rodger Vinci is doing the cam for my 403 build. It’s a 225/232 114. He is a super nice guy, and very knowledgeable. He’s my go to guy for street driven cams.

yes. i have a 216/220 .600 lift texas speed cam in an aluminum .030 6.0 with longer rods

@@bobwise1347 I have the stage 2 high lift

@@bobwise1347 do you mean a 4 inch stroke

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The earliest 6.0l lq4 has the same cam as a 4.8/5.3. Failing that BTR makes a truck torque cam, thats what its called, that outperforms the stock 5.3l cam in a 5.3l from under 2000rpm to redline. I know what you mean, who cares about 30hp at 5500rpm when you need it to respond to a breath on the pedal when youre holding it with the brakes.

Maybe a mostly stock lq4 with 706 heads. I did that on my work truck, and it's got plenty of torque..... For using cheap factory parts, I was surprised it does so good. It's a stock rebuild except for the heads.

It looks like a mild 350 with vortech heads might make more off idle tq but at that point I might as well leave the AMC 360 in it so I don't know what to do

all of those are cath port heads

the LY6 head flows 315 cfm, the 799 head flows 245-250 cfm. Chevy out the 799 vs ls3 head test (the ls3 heads were wroth 30+ hp over the 799 on this 6.0L)

@@richardholdener1727 well that makes sense. Tell me the 317 is so much worse that it makes my 799 purchase not hurt so much!

you can go very big-but the cam is only 1 part of the power equation

i hope you have very good valve springs for the heavy rockers

you are likely talking about minimal differences, but I plan to test

@@richardholdener1727 I agree but it’d be cool to see that “do all” cam get dethroned

add ring gap and check p-v

550 lift springs with a 585 lift cam? would depend on installed height

@@richardholdener1727 yes Richard

IT WON'T FIT STOCK P-V

Really? I have a few friends running it on stock lq4 6.0 with 243 heads

I wish you would run this custom BTR cam to see how good the low speed power is!! It's brand new in the box .

NO NEED TO MODIFY ONE SET OF HEADS TO TRY TO EQUAL THE OTHER STOCK SET

@@richardholdener1727 there is if you want to know if the difference in low end and top end power is from compression or from head air flow. We already know the 799 heads make more peak power than 706 heads. In a towing application the 706 heads would be better stock for stock. What we don't know is if the compression were the same, would the 799 heads make more peak power than the 706 heads while maintaining the same low end torque? If this specific test isn't worth doing, then perhaps a test isolating compression is. Run the same displacement, same heads, same cam, intake, headers, ring gap etc. with different pistons to show the percentage gain going from 9:1 to 9.5:1 to 10:1 to 10.5:1 to 11:1 and so on. I know there are diminishing returns, particularly with a given fuel, and you have a lot of testing requests, but a test isolating compression would tell a lot and be a useful example for all the "apples to oranges" comments you get.

FOR A DAILY DRIVER LOOK AT THE BTR TRUCK NORRIS CAM

@@richardholdener1727 right on. Thank you for answering!!!!

the big cams makes the most peak power-the stock one makes the least, the truck cam makes 2nd most

@@richardholdener1727 lol.. I understand that. I'm asking for say... Part numbers at the top of your Dyno tests. Not just this video but all future videos. If you could please. Thanks

flow can help rpm

Terminator X Max. Will control engine and transmission. By the time you buy a carb, intake, ignition box and standalone controller TXM will be more cost effective

Holley terminator X Max and use it to run the trans AND engine. EFI is the way man

@@dalethomas9307 I was hoping to simplify the instal and wireing as much as possible. So i was thinking a trans controller only

Get a Holiday HP or a Holly Dominator don’t mess with the Terminator X junk friend of mine has had three bad ones. Do not run a carburetor would be going backwards. The reason why LS engines run so well with turbos is because of electronic tuning.

@@danielsullivan9865 Well if i do it i want it to be as simple as possible. I'm thinking that we may not be able to get alot a fancy electronics in the future. I'm even thinking about running the trans full manual.

no sir-it won't fit stock p-v

@@richardholdener1727 it did on my setup I have a LS1 with 241 heads with a .0.40 gasket and I have no problem with it

I'VE never run vvt on the gen 4

Most aftermarket systems won't control the vvt. I'm guessing that's probably why he's never tested one..... But I could be wrong about that.

stock

@@richardholdener1727 6.0l ls from junk yard,stock