WHAT IS THE BEST LS CAM? SLOPPY MECHANICS BEST VS TRUCK NORRIS FROM BRIAN TOOLEY RACING? FULL DYNO! 

Oh boy, just what I like to see, independent results, thank you Richard

Sooooo many people have been biting their nails waiting for this, including myself! Thanks for going over the data. Hoping the SB does well in my 7875 6.2

Fabulous comparison! Next request would be a comparison of a SS2 and a Sloppy Best cam on a 6.0L or 6.2L. 😉

Could we see the Truck Noris, Sloppy Best, and Sloppy Stg 2 curves on the same graph on the same engine?

Very interesting but if your chosen cam is going in a daily street driven vehicle, it's probably not at full throttle very often and I'd put my money on the btr cam being better at part throttle conditions in most applications. I would have a conversation with btr and a few other knowledgeable companies before purchasing such a vital part of my combination based on a dyno test or a small price difference.

The entire performance community owes you a debt of gratitude. Thank you so much for running down to 2000!!

compare the torque and power curves of the 54-454-11, if you gotta converter it anyway why not make all the power

I mentioned the other day about the 2 cams side by side I just wanted to see the comparison of the 2 on a 5.3 setup on the same same dyno graph only reason I ask is I noticed the 5.3 tests had less bottom end dip. Again thank u for your time and replays your a great dude and very god dammn smart. North Maine Steve

Just got off work it’s time to figure out what cam to put in my truck

Would like to see those two on the chart with original sloppy stage 2.

Scott Clark told me you’re wrong and the sloppy cam has issues on their spintron with multiple cylinder pressure monitors. 😂

Truck Norris does what I think many suspected. Another great vid.

Richard wish you would have done 243 heads on the 5.7 when compariing the Truck Norris/SS1 cams. Its what im building currently.

Any input thinking of putting a set of 862s and doing the truck Norris cam on a 6.0 2500hd Just to help out with towing

Been waiting for some sloppy best comparisons, thank you!

Sorry I see the side by side I take back my other comment great video Richard goid work dude

Hope we can see these cams up against more cams. Let's break out the comp cams and of course the sloppy stage 2. And on a 6.2 or 6.0.

Thank you so much for the video I was undecided intell know for my 09 avalanche z71

Man I would really love to see a comparison between the truck Norris and the summit 8720 cams. I'm m building a lq4 with ported 706 heads for a humvee ls swap

Awesome video! I've been waiting for more info on the truck Norris cam.

Great comparo! Those RHS/Mast heads seem to be very strong-any comparison of them to, say, TFS 215s? Otherwise it looks like that increased bore is really worth it! Thanks Richard. Looking for part 2…

Thanks Richard, you teach things that apply to all engines, I’m a big FE fan, but the builders are really getting to be real jerks. I am about to switch to the LS. Lol.

I would love to see you test & review the Scoggin Dickey LS6 Powermax & Powermax PLUS cam. I just put a Powermax in my 5.3 & I'm very happy with it.

I want to see Gen 3 Hemi intake test. Pre-eagle 5.7 with 392 intake. People say adapters cancel benefits of 392 SRV intake.

Would be interesting to see how they stack up to summits 8720 in those combos.

My thought would be to make the LSA 113 and test them both with that. Everything else the same for 5.3 and 4.8 motors but more lobe for the 6.0 motors, like maybe going to 228 intake and 223 exhaust @ 50.

Would love to see this same comparison of cams against the .600 high lift versions of the truck cams on a 5.3, 6.0, & 364ci stroker. 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Richard.. C5Z / LS6. All the usual bolt ons. Long tubes. Off road x-pipe…Mildly ported 243 head’s w/ double springs etc. Sloppy Best? Or Sloppy stage 2? What’s your pick? Car is street/strip. 6 speed. 3.42 gears. Sticky tires.

Let’s also acknowledge that the sloppy cam is only $275.

Ya that low end torque isn't real worth an extra $100 to me

🔥🔥Awesome Stuff Richard!!! What it means to me is my Gen IV 4.8 at the machine shop, gets Bored and Honed to 3.905 👍🏽🔥🔥

it seems lsa is being made really low over more duration manufacturers are learning that a cam can be rowdy with out being big in duration seems GM had it right with ls9 put ls9 with 107 lsa and viola magic

The truck Norris cam will be renamed the lsa-truck cam 😁

truck norris would still out run the sloppy best when you add boost, the turbo would spin up faster with the Truck Norris cam vs the sloppy best

Sloppy best cam price is unbeatable tho

Richard just looked at the new cam from tsp the " chopocabra" 214/222 .550/.550 108 LSA. Shameful on there part I feel like they took all of Brian toilets hard work and research made a camshaft almost identical to the norris shaft and named it somthing intriguing to some folks that may for for a name rather than a cam spec . just wanted to bring this to your attention maybe try a test on the "chopocabra" see if the results are similar to the norris cam swap results North Maine Steve

For a street car or truck that torque curve the mid range power from 3000-4700rpm is very useable in stoplight banzai where stout track gears and rpms are not as useable that is why Truck Norris is a good street cam.

Wish I could have seen the last bit on the comparison on side by side dyno graph on the 5.3 like u did on the 5.7 side by side Norris vs. Best dyno sheet just wanted to see the 2 on graph w the 5.3 where the 5.3 had differnt sweeps than the 5.7 especially down low

Put them in an ls3 and a 408.

Yay can't wait

Richard what about the Chopacabra vs the sloppy stage 2 i want chop with some power gains and drive ability im building 2 engines one 2003 5.3 with very low kms and a 6.0 with unknown kms whats the best bang for my buck on both engines the 5.3 is going im my 89 blazer s10 and the 6.0 is going in my 1995 ss s10

I’m putting this cam in an LQ4 with 862 heads, should be a good runner.

Thank you!!

Ready for part 2 sir!

+1 for a test with Tick Performance Towmax cams - I wish I could see some curves on the dyno and see if I'd like it for a DD ls swap or not

So this is random but I just saw some pictures of a hot rod with a long runner Chrysler cross ram intake manifold....Has anyone modified one for sequential fuel injection? Also I noticed on the hot rod it placed the carburetor's over the top of the header's...Heat rise's so heat soak is an obvious issue on those, my idea to combat that was to insulate the intake and use heat reflecting gold tape over that...and also ceramic coating the header's and perhaps also header wrap near the flange under where the carburetor's sit... Also don't know if there is aftermarket reproductions of the long cross ram to play with...would hate to cut into an original to try it...was hoping someone tried these ideas cause I just wanna see it.

No matter what your choice is BTR s bank account wins .

Personally I blame squirrels

Be a good idea to consider cost for these cams. Aint nuthin beating the man

Truck norris cam it is 4 me i was gonna pick btr stage 3. But nope truck norris it is u reel me in richard

You know there are on here. the know it all driveway mechanic for LS guys .the one recommended to use a factory cam that was in his engine he was rebuilding but have a machine shop do whatever to it .but rebuilding his engine he says no need to replace cam bearings.

not saying this is true but it did seem to be biased towards btr was there a btr consultation after dyno test and then the video came out love what you do Richard holdener but from the out side it felt like you held back

So on a LQ9 with ported (not cnc) 243s and TBSS in a gmt800 with factory 3.73s... The 6L should eat up some stall tp be able to run factory converter? I was thinking at most, throwing in a 4.2 converter since it'll bump up stall speed a couple hundred rpms. I really like these cams that look small on paper, but make bigger #s than expected. I just freshened up my top end on my 98 WS6 t56 car that i built with everything that makes a C5Z a Z06 over base C5 but with original FAST 78mm. Full exh n bolt ons with slightly conservative tune on dyno jet made 392whp and 386wtq. Yes, has 4.10s also.... But when I re-did top end thx to original timing chain snapping at 7k while racing, i ported my 243s and used the SDPC LS6 Power Max Plus cam as I wanted something wee bigger but still can DD and beat the crap out of it like with LS6 combo. And just being a 220/222 with .570 lift on both sides and 112+2 LSA... It's so much more of a cam than I expected! So for 1, it was $239 shipped when I bought it. And 2, WOW!!! Love every bit. Chop is nice, but not too much. Haven't retuned it yet and runs great. Not perfect, but afr not out to lunch either. I have taken it to 7k several times without skipping a beat. But yeah, it feels like a what stg3 cams were 15 yrs ago!! I'd love to see some LS6 vs SDPC cams. They have 2 different LS6 versions. The other is like the one, but intake dur is down at 204 vs other at 220. Which I bought originally for the LQ9 build for my 04 Tahoe!

Would be interesting to see these compared to the Summit Pro LS

Would love to see a video on different types on fuel on a stock engine 91octane vs e85 vs m1 methanol

What about a direct comparison between the btr and best cam on the 5.3?

sloppy best cam ground on a 108 instead of 110.5 LSA would have changed this a bit

I know this video iS a year old But I have a question. What kind of gains just dropping It in a truck without a tune. Just wondering if you’ve tried It.

Would you recommend the truck Norris cam over the stage 2 truck can for a daily 5.3? In the stage 1-3 comparison you said the 2 would be perfect for a daily but now in this one you said the truck Norris is better than the 2

And ebays full of fake sloppy stage 2 cams you should do a test and compair the real cams vs there china knock offs or fakes and show the difference

I'm waiting for someone to run a dial indicator on the exhaust lobe of the truck Norris cam to tell us what the mystery duration is!!

I’m running a go fund me to get my truck Norris installed help a bro out mane

Cam results are awesome but. What workouts are you doing Richard .

You could always check the valve clearance and see if you could advance the best a few degrees. Best Intake is probably closing later .

Yeah i been waiting for this! I chose a ss2 over the truck norris mostly bc of price but have wondered ig i made wrong choice

I'd love to see a Comp cams 54-456-11, which is basically a high lift GM Hot cam. I think it'd be right in the middle. 706 heads are made for 1-5/8" headers...and they work very well up to 500 bhp.

Sloppy best vs Elgin 1840p 🤔 judging by this curve with more lobe separation and what not and the same or .005 more lift the sloppy stage 2 would prob flow a little better up top correct? The two seem pretty comparable. Def solid contenders for decent prices

On a 6.0 with a vs racing t6 80, what would be best? One of those or a turbo cam? Its in a 67 impala. For street and fun use.

Richard, I would love to see a buildup on the old Toyota 22R. Great little motors, hard to kill them.

I need truck Norris and boost details lol. Wondering how it'll do with that lsa. I'm being told not to go with the Norris cam if I'm gonna go turbo.

Could I use a LS3 stg 2 .589 sloppy cam and .600 valve springs with a 2005 5.3l truck stock heads?

They say you are not working if you do what you love. You are always so "up", positive, and energetic, the love and enthusiasm comes through in gobs of horsepower! I am building a 408 for my silverado so I LOVE all these comparison videos. Looks like, at least for me, it's the truck Norris cam.

Thanks Richard, sloppy might sound good but, technology wins on the dyno.

Lets also factor in the price.... The "best" cam is much better bang for the buck.

Revisting this, I put a Texas Speed CHOPacabra cam in my LQ4 with 862 heads. Originally I wanted the BTR TN, but got a great deal on cam and springs. I'm not really pleased with the lack of power. It drives great andsounds good, but feels like it's down 20-25 RW from where it should be. I am going to replace my converter first, because it was doing weird stuff on the dyno. If it doesn't seem any better after ruling that out - it's time for a change. I have a nice set of 799s done by Advanced Induction, and a Sloppy Best Cam. I'm leaning towards swapping those on after the converter to get what I want out of this daily driven combo.

I put this cam in my 2007 gmc 3500 with 6.0 and 4L80E. The engine is out at the moment and I’m wondering if there is a better torque converter to run or is my stock converter optimal?

Thanks! Getting ready to swap my stock turbo 4.8, for a 5.3 with TN and the same turbo setup, curious to see how much the turbo responds differently.

But meant to say can you tell me what valve springs and push rods to run w the sloppy best cam. .600 behive springs? Stock push rod length? And what I recommend for upgraded brand push rods and preferred brand of valve spring you like to run on 5.3 L33 motor

When did they start naming camshafts or why marketing for the next gen it can't have numbers for its spec says alot

I have mentioned tight LSA does good things for torque multiple times.

I wonder what the comparison would be on that ls1 with truck Norris cam between two sets of heads? One would be 862s with bigger valves vs 243s milled to achieve the same CR as the 862s?

the real question when is lift and duration to much for a real everyday driver that weighs say 3600 for a car and 5000 for a truck with a street friendly 373 gear. for racinging biggest cam with biggest stall with lowest gear

Man that truck Norris cam is impressive. Now you need to test the Tick Performance Towmax stage 2.

So just any old .600 lift behive springs and stock length push rods? Do u recommend the trunion upgrade on the rocker arms with either of these 2 cams?

The first test is weird to me. If I had a 5.7 the first thing I would do is the cam, not Cnc ported aftermarket heads with a stock cam

The Sloppy best cam is better above 5000rpm the BTR is better 2000rpm-4200rpm really splitting hairs with these two cams in a heavy vehicle with a stock stall converter I'd take the Truck Norris cam but if using a 2800-3000rpm stall converter in the same application the extra power above 5000rpm with the Sloppy best cam is slightly better and enough to notice the Truck Norris cam would work better if gearing was 3.42 with stock converter in a 4L60E or 700r4 the Sloppy best cam would work better with 3.73-4.10 gearing in the 4L60E or 700r4 with at least a 2500rpm stall converter is my opinion

Perfect, thank you. Truck Norris it is. My truck does a-lot of off roading and is built to do that stuff, though it mostly just DDs come hunting season and messy weather I often push it. I want that mid range oomph.

The info is helpful theres alot of delusional people who think cams do more than they do and dont realize most cams kill the bottom of the curve

Looks like header diameter and full exhaust seems to promote better exhaust flow due to superior scavenging of the exhaust gasses at a higher velocity ??

Can we see results with a lsa or centrifugal supercharger with the best cam

How do the BTR truck cams compare to the summit truck cams? Summit advertise intake valve closing timing to make low end torque. Have you tested those Richard Holdner?

Sweet I think he did well only one video and your testing he sold like 375 or 475 of those buggers in under a month seems like he had great success selling them

Morning Richard im from new zealand Running a stock ls1 in a caprice 241 head numbers. With this cam reading a low LSA and low lift with nice duration i like this for our cruise car key question will it work in our ls1 5.665 ltr engine VF002710096 witch i cant find Kind regards Aaron.

I'm looking at a 228/232 .600 .600 112 lsa cam from texas speed.. ( real close to sloppystage2) going in 6.0 gto six speed all bolt ons etc.. the ss2 cam was rumored to not lose anything, anywhere in rpm range compared to stock cam.. thoughts? by the way thanks for all the great tests and info

if you took the sloppy cam an changed the evo to a later number it would be just like the norris cam..a early evo moves the tq an hp curve up. meaning it will carry power up higher. a later evo means more tq down low.its all about controlling the cylinder pressure for where you want it . i suggest people learn valve events an dont look at duration. duration is a by product from your valve events.😉

Any dyno pulls with the truck Norris vs Stage3/4 car cams? I bought a stage 3 for my corvette but I’m debating sending it back for the truck Norris

Where can i find the sloppy best cam

SO by choosing a short side exit 3" exhaust on my Gbody swapped 5.3Ls i may have sacrificed some lowend TQ with such a big short side exit exhauston stock LM7

Did you have the direct comparison on the 5.3? I would think that would be the most common setup.

Ss2 VS The Best cam VS summit stage 2 turbo cam with boost please!