Just how hard is it to start my Liner Roughrider Dump Truck in the snow? 

Really enjoyed your little ride on humpty in the snow. Around here, it is typically snowy more or less for 4 months of the year, and a drive in the snow can be a very wonderful thing in many ways. Thanks for sharing the adventure!

This is my favourite of all the cars and machinery you have 😉

At least it was worth it in the end, as well as a good way of keeping fit too! (possible merch idea: A silhouette of Lawrie, stood hands on hips, next to Humpty, with the starting handle. Caption reads - "Hand Start? Ermm. Yeah....")

Lawrie, two things, 1. do what the old boys did, an oil soaked rag set alight and placed near the intake filter so that the engine can suck in some heat 2. please keep you thumb on the same side of the handle as your fingers, if the engine kicked or back fired the least would be a bandly bruised thumb or worst a broken thumb.

Back in the 80s, we used an oily rag on a stick. What you do is light the rag, put it close to the air intake and then crank it Primative but it works

Stick some rubble in the bucket and it’d have enough traction to avoid getting stuck.

Its a wonderfully heroic machine and so is its driver!

Reminds me of those RU-vid videos where they are trying to start Class 37's on a cold day, only a bit smaller and slightly more effort.

The first heart attack starting humpty can be a bugger

Also, I have to say, Humpty is my favorite member of your fleet. I've grown to care about the other projects, and I originally came to your channel because of the Lawrie goes Loco series, but Humpty is the reason that I started binging your stuff on the road vehicles. it's one of those little vehicles that is just fare more adorable than it has any right to be, and I hope to see Humpty get onto what's broken now to have his bucket patched and straightened, and the steering fixed.

Its amazing that when it get stuck from the mud that the vehicle stopped perfectly in frame to capture it. Almost as if it was planned... I'm sure it wasn't thought.

17:04 "C'mon up you go up you go up you go!"

Best invention was the Armstrong starter 🤣 Keeps you fit, warm in winter and last for around 60 years and you can breed your own (children) I have a 1936 allis chalmer model U with a 4cyl 5.9L engine it's muiltifuel but a bit of moonshine down the throat in the winter for both tractor and starter and it'll fire up fine

I like the steering shaft going up and down about an inch when you turn the wheel

25 quid well spent! 🇦🇺👍

Snow doesn't mean it is cold...it just means it isn't warm!

Best toy ever for 25 quid. You should have a go at getting a four shell drive articulated job. They are the dogs danglies. I spent two weeks driving one on a building site moving a not inconsiderable amount of earth for one end of the site to the other. That was in the nineties and I still can't feel my feet. They shake a bit.

Turn the bucket into a comfortable cushioned seat with a overhead cover and bottle / biscuit holder, drive it to a beautiful scenic location and bask in the beauty of your labour, the adventure there and the scenery before you?

Cheap and cheerfull in the snow.

How to train yourself when lockdown is on And the sound of it is beautiful

I remember the sound of dumpers like that from childhood, in particular my parents had taken me on holiday to Whitby and the contractors were doing some work to the cliffs which have narrow paths. I remember asking my father what those were. So to hear humpty definitely brings back memories, such a distinctive sound.

On the insurance form- Thatcham approved anti-theft device fitted *tick*

ope, ya got snow, now you know what it's like to be in the Midwest in the winter. ...also, definitely wondering how much an air starter for a formula car's worth. or whatever they use to start top fuel cars.

Imagine this being your daily job. starting up the little dump truck each day. It would give some buff arms.

The sound of that engine chugging along in the snow is so relaxing. Still hoping you're able to make it to the states one day to operate a few locomotives and maybe semi truck/lorry or two as well...Stay safe lawrie loved your last loco video...

omg there's 4 Lawries... omg there's 9 Lawries... OMG THERE'S 16 LAWRIES! *16!* I can die happy now

Hm... Looking at the way the steering wheel moves up and down when it's in the play, I'd bet theres a bad or missing bearing in the steering box. I forgot the top bearing in a tractor steering box and it was able to slide up and down when trying to turn, same as humptys steering box.

As my grandfather would say, " Why in the hell would you leave it outside son?"

Watched the other hand start little dumper as well, I'd love to see you rig up a battery Impact gun attachment for them.

Fun in the snow lawrie 👍. Take it to transport show when lockdown is over.

That would be awesome for logs either splitting and taking them from the pile to the wood shed or cutting logs in the woods. Or what ever you can use a wheelbarrow for great video. I wonder if those made it to the states

hi Lawrie . if you have to start in winter again .. heads up. use a gat lamp. warm up air intake an direct the hot gas jet at intake as well. then crank. hay presto. away she goes. atb tone its a trick i picked up on said 70s sites as a kid

Seems like there's a good reason guys in the northern climates all tell stories of lighting camp fires under the oil pans of big diesel engines to get the block preheated, or preheating the intake manifolds with blowtorches. Hell, I think I remember Humpty's previous owners mentioning using burning newspaper to make hand-starting easier...

Hot air gun, stick it in the intake on hi and then spin it.

Sorry I know you probably have more experience than most with hand cranking old vehicles, but try to keep your thumb on the same side of the handle as your fingers so that you don’t break it if the handle kicks back. Great video though!

you think he learn after trying to hand start that locomotive and how long that took

poor Lawrie. he needs a worker that could start these types of engines for him.

Feel ya Lawrie. I have had a few Lister diesels. EZ start is your mate for this situation. Good blast down the air filter. Nasty stuff but times precious!

And thus easystart was invented :-D

;w; Poor lil thing left out in the cold. Needs a tiny bobble hat and scarf to warm up.

I Love Humpty😃

That’s the cutest dump truck I’ve ever seen... Now I want one...!

LOL. Yeah, that steering definitely needs some attention! Maybe a few patches inside the hopper too ;) As far as starting it goes, you guys should find yourselves an old, used, two-handled drill, make up an adapter for it, and use that to turn it over :) A little heat from a torch near the intake or cylinder head might also make it easier to start ;)

6:45 Glovely. Two hours, you could have built a great snowman in that time… I drove my first dump truck when I was five or six, helping to build the new London Bridge, back in the 1960s so I can well see why you like this machine.

the solution to the traction issue is to fill the bucket with something (in this case, I'd use snow). it probably has the bucket over the driving wheels rater than the engine, because it's meant to be full of heavy stuff.

Well at least you warmed yourself up Lawrie. Everyone should own a Humpty for the benefits of their health, just look at the calories burnt winding the engine over by hand.

The engines on these dumpers are as tough as old boots

Shows what a good idea the removable plug that you put a nitrate impregnated fuse into, like the Sachs diesel on my Howard Rotovator had. Would hand crank start on the coldest day.

Well bloody hell ! Liber Rough Rider I was under the illusion it was a Barford !! Everyday a school day

Bit late to the party on this, (I'm working through the entire channel in chronological order at the moment, and loving it) so you might have addressed the issues I'm about to comment on. I spent the summer of 1990 driving a very similar machine to Humpty and it was similarly great fun. The rental dumper was mechanically identical to Humpty, but had some "bodywork" differences. It had long since lost any identifying badging, so I don't know what it was. I know it had absolutely no brakes. Not too much of a problem, given the massive engine braking available. Anyhow, two things. First, I think Humpty is down on compression. The engine in the rental would have been impossible to spin over like that without use of the decompressor. Starting technique was to lift the decomp, wind up the flywheel to as high a speed as possible, then drop the decomp. It always fired on the first compression stroke. Mind, summer 1990 was quite warm, even when it was raining. Second, the steering. While there might be other issues, looking at the way the steering wheel goes up and down in the onboard footage, I think the steering box has lost one or both of the thrust bearings that hold the worm on the end of the column in place longitudinally. It looks as if the first turn of the wheel is just screwing the column up or down before it starts to apply any force to the nut or sector (depending on what sort of 'box it is). If so, it might not be that hard to fix, or at least bodge, so you've got proper steering. Like I said, possibly a bit late, but maybe marginally helpful. Love the channel. Keep it up.

The Lister would have a cold start oil plunger on the intake side of the head to boost the compression for cold days like this. Fill it up with oil and press it in and extra compression wow. Mate you should also use the decompression lever to help turn it over easier and to help avoid breaking your arm if it kicks back on you. But good job getting it going though. I had one of these but with a twin cylinder Lister st2 Really cool old things hey. I've just purchased a 1985 benford.

For all I think Humpty is wonderful, it's not wonderful enough to put myself through that 😂, although surely if it was started regulary it would hopefully start way easier than that.

There's a humpty at the farm I work and in college we painted a humpty lol the sound is amazing

Awesome little machine. I prefer the more immature tittle "British Man Cranks Big Yellow Thing in Field for Two Hours" :D For that price you definitely can get your funs wroth and more.

Hi Lawrie, Great video, and well done for sticking with it, just thought id mention how good a video rebuilding the top end of this engine would be, it looks like a petter ava1 which is a very simple engine, and to change the service, rings, decoke and change the injector nozzle is only 50 pounds in parts? Add in a valve grind and you'll get heaps of compression. Just a thought. If you want to find parts, try Stationary engine parts .com

This... this is beautiful...

Have you tried starting it with an power drill??

It looks nice in the snow

Always park it at the top of a very big hill. I'm pretty sure something as agricultural as that will bump start if you try hard enough. Ben Nevis should do it. By the way, are you sure the steering wheel is actually connected, or were you just lucky that it happened to want to go in more or less the same direction that you wanted to go?

i still love that thing. what could be fun is if tractor events start up again you could take it show off. have to say though, that steering is quite scary to see lawrie. it looks like the steering wheel and shaft are actually unscrewing from something down below when you spin to the right and it goes back down when you spin to the left. maybe you could make an attachment that would let you spin it with a heavy drill (if you have one of course)? at least for the early portion when you are more trying to worm the cylinder up before it becomes realistic to hand crank it.

Brilliant! Want one so much.

Thank you Ben, good advise.

those lister diesels will start in anything, eventually, they are very relieable exept for the one i own that just stoped working one day and then got parked for 2 years befor having a rebuild (wich didnt fix it) and then being parked for another 5 years before the engine was taken of for its 2nd rebuild when we found that water had gotten in and seized it so its been sitting half taken apart in the back room for the past 5 years untill we can find a replacement or a parts unit.

Hey Lawrie not sure if you had noticed but every time you turn the steering wheel to the right it raises about an inch lol, I think it has a bolt or nut loose down in the steering gearbox or a missing cotter pin on a castle nut

Looks like great fun!!

Lawrie, you should restore that steering wheel. We love it!

Get one of those external starters like they use on F1 race cars

We have a Renault 103-54 more modern but starts in any weather any degrees but not -6 as we found out the other day 😂

invest in a decent battery powered rattle gun , they have many uses , among them removing wheel nuts & with a home made adapter can spin over yellow dump trucks

You should eventually give this truck a full restoration.

First comment and nice video, also get a drill bit to start the thing with an electric drill. Also when the thing had stopped suddenly I think his heart would have stopped to.

Lovely little thing

Put diff locker or weld the diff! According to my mate (who has one, i mentioned this when you first got it) they use old willys jeep running gear so i imagine a locker would be available. On a side note, i saw 2 or 3 of these in one place the other day at a vintage machinery display, one was driving around getting firewood for the rollers and traction engines! Oh and ffs get some starting fluid, no idea what the brands are over there but here down under is called aerostart or , i kid you not "start ya bastard"!

when are you giving Humpy little bit TLC on few touchies? like the steering wheel? it is really fun machine i did always enjoy it when you drive it :)

Using a power drill to turn start it would work a bit easier for it's the same way a f1 car gets started

There is something very worn in the steering as the amount of up and down motion of that steering wheel shaft , perhaps a bushing is in order ? Doubt it should move that much

Fun to watch tho I have a some advice for you I’ve learnt during WW2 on the eastern front German panzer crews put playing cards in the exhausts than started up the engine I’ve personally tried this and it does work very well especially in winter times I’d suggest trying it some day. Also can’t wait to see what’s next. From Erika.

What if you made a sort of bit for an Impact Gun that could slot into where the starting handle slots into and turn it over with a that lol

next time you start that dumper you need to put your thumb over the starting handle not under if it kicks back it could bust your thumb

Wait, don't Petter diesels have a place where you would put oil in it (cold starting aid), makes the compression rise and makes it easier to start when it's cold. I know Lister has this option.

there is a rail mounted one at Elsecar

Poor humpty

Looks like a lot of fun. What do you use it for besides just having fun. Looks very useful.

Hi lawrie

I remember being 6 and asking my Grandfather on his farm, why he had set fire to some rags under the tractor in Winter... Should I pencil in the next start on Bonfire night? Cost 25lb in sweat that start...... :-)

When is your next Lawrie goes Loco with a steam locomotive?

If you pull out the stop lever and turn it anticlockwise this gives excess fuel for cold starting

Does humpty have independent steering brakes or are both brakes on the axle on one pedal? If they are independent, when your slipping, apply the brake for the wheel that is slipping, it'll make the open differential work for you.

I'm actually actually early to a video we'll done me.

well lawrie this is how we keep you in shape so you dont gain wait soon we will have you doing abb work outs whit engine blocks and dead lifting fiat's becuse thay are missing a tire

Easy way to break your thumb if that starting handle kicks back👍

Minus 2 C or F cause -2 C is 28.4 F I'm just thinking about long sleeves. I take it you don't have any starting fluid? How soon before you come up with an electric starter to plug into the front And the man and his dumper ride off into the sunset!

-2 with Humpty or a clear day with Courage

Any chance of using a gas burner to heat the head/cilinder before trying to start?

Open the engine cover, flick the fuel pump over the excess fuel, oil in the primers and off it should go, mind you with cold oil it will struggle, good luck for next time, you might need to check the fuel has no water in the filter bowl.

Have you ever had a starting handle injure you? or a least kick back and hurt you?

Drifting a FWD articulated chassis vehicle....... good luck with that. Thanks for the video.

a tray of coals under it engine for 45 min will help wrapped with a tarp

Join us next week as LMM convert the dumper to 4x4 :-)

Sounds like a lanz bulldog tractor