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Justice League isn't good, but I didn't hate it. If you want a bottom line, that's it, but if you watch the video I go into a lot more detail. Because I couldn't take notes in the theatre there's a bunch I forgot, like a completely misplaced scene near the start where Batman's beard disappears, a sequence set to Icky Thump that seems to have been left in purely because they already paid the licensing fee, how Steppenwolf looks like he's been lifted from a Dragon Age: Origins cutscene, and Cyborg's uniformly weird, floaty movements that aren't strange enough to feel intentionally alien nor normal enough to feel natural.
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@Ersanven
@Ersanven 6 лет назад
They should have put the mustache in the film. Just, Superman has a mustache now. His resurrection gave him facial hair out of nowhere. No real explanation. Would make it infinitely better.
@tiawilliams5690
@tiawilliams5690 6 лет назад
Ersanven It depends on what scenes they needed to reshoot. It wouldn’t work for him to have a mustache disappear and reappear.
@flametitan100
@flametitan100 6 лет назад
What, you never heard of his Super disguise powers?
@marcemarc6516
@marcemarc6516 6 лет назад
Ersanven lmfao omg I would of loved that
@mrsanatra1
@mrsanatra1 6 лет назад
I said why they just didn't give him a beard and a mullet. Its sorta true to comic and no weird CGI. smh DC is filled with ass clowns
@weclock
@weclock 6 лет назад
Maybe they could say his hair kept growing after his death (which is actually not true), and Flash (perhaps as a prank) decided to give the man a mustache.
@AmaranthOriginal
@AmaranthOriginal 6 лет назад
"I did not hate it" will be on the DVD/BD box.
@CloudManPT
@CloudManPT 6 лет назад
My roommate works at the effects studio that WB hired for Justice League. Everything she told me made it sound like it was a hot mess. Artists working for weeks without days off, Joss Whedon constantly asking for last minute changes, people constantly quitting, etc. Apparently, they were still working on the CGI far into late October, only a few weeks before release.
@khawajh
@khawajh 6 лет назад
Holy crap! Guys, upvote this so people can see
@CloudManPT
@CloudManPT 6 лет назад
If you wanted to know the name of the effect studio it's called MPC and they reside in Vancouver, Canada.
@tobi397
@tobi397 6 лет назад
Your roommate is a liar. Good try though 👍
@CabezasDePescado
@CabezasDePescado 6 лет назад
whedon and wb butchered the movie and made it a mess, just like they did with SS
@Yawyna124
@Yawyna124 6 лет назад
@Tobi I mean, they got the studio right, MPC did, indeed work on Justice League, and do have a Vancouver location. Do you have anything to back up that they're lying?
@ImVeryOriginal
@ImVeryOriginal 6 лет назад
"Superman is less of a prick in this one, he even smiles" - what a glowing recommendation!
@purpleunicorn1214
@purpleunicorn1214 6 лет назад
My favourite part is when they first fight Steppenwolf and all the league members are doing their thing: Cyborg and Aquaman are fighting heaps of parademons, The Flash is saving people, Wonder Woman is soloing Steppenwolf and then Batman spends the entire scene fighting one parademon and he’s trying his best but apparently being rich isn’t good enough.
@nomorepartiezz
@nomorepartiezz 6 лет назад
purpleunicorn12 real shit batman was so disappointing in this movie. He had barely any fight scenes and in the few he did have, they were terrible. The bruce wayne aspect was boring as well. Its really too bad because i fucking loved his portrayal in BvS, especially the warehouse fight.
@thegmanofEAP
@thegmanofEAP 6 лет назад
purpleunicorn12 It's inexcusable, especially because having Cyborg on the team as the tech guy makes Bats even less useful
@jakesampson5629
@jakesampson5629 6 лет назад
purpleunicorn12 compare that to how awesome and also relevant Batman was in the Doomsday scene lmao- whatever you might think of the scene it looked Viking awesome and mysterious /decandent like Batman and he fired that Kryp. Grenade at doomsday lmao Whedon. have you seen Zack Snyder's one pic. He Vero' of an anti- dementor gun, I mean can you imagine him ever shooting Batman stiffly coming down on that fucking string gun after the rest of the league just jumped the gate, and shooting him in broad daylight - even on the poster, what were they thinking-- or when Superman fucking slapped him lmao. Or when he picked him up by his cowl and made it look all plastic I mean what an idiot. Atleast Snyder's films look good enough to be called films. Avengers was good you know in its way- but.....
@jakesampson5629
@jakesampson5629 6 лет назад
Krypt. Grenade being softened blow or whatever. Also I mean when he came down on the string bit by bit storytelling and it would have been inconsistent but he should have just been inside waiting in the dark and even cheesy and not exactly written like this but Aquaman could say 'where did you come from' and he just turns and swishes his cape and walks in Nolan firm image of character bcos he's a professional, Snyder's fucking awese- visionary imo. Whedon..... oh well Avengers is good you know
@contentity
@contentity 6 лет назад
You know, I distinctly remember rocks levitating off of Superman's coffin at the end of BvS, which seemed to imply that he wasn't dead even at that point. But I guess that didn't mean anything now? I can't say I'm surprised I guess
@margaesperanza
@margaesperanza 6 лет назад
All the Wonder Woman upskirt shots is DEFINITELY Snyder's movie because my gosh was it distracting, this includes the fact that every outfit she wore had to bear her breasts or outline her butt. I was getting Sucker Punch flashbacks. This is a total 180 to how she was shot in this movie compared to her solo movie and its sad. The moment the camera was uncomfortably close to her crotch in her FIRST scene, I knew this was going to be bad. After the movie ended the guy sitting behind me just groaned "I shouldn't have watched Thor Ragnarok before this, I cant enjoy this". This man wished he didn't see a better movie because it made this one look awful and its fucking hilarious!
@lawrencescales9864
@lawrencescales9864 6 лет назад
Honestly, I'd put a lot of the cringy stuff on whedon..... like the flash falling in her boobs is literally right in the avengers movie too, lmao.
@holderua
@holderua 6 лет назад
crotch shot? nice =) JK. By the way, 180 instead of 360 makes more sence
@margaesperanza
@margaesperanza 6 лет назад
Given how Whedon's already exposed to be a cheating asshole I'm not surprised :/
@nothajzl
@nothajzl 6 лет назад
Yep, Ragnarok > League
@TheStanishStudios
@TheStanishStudios 6 лет назад
At least the Flash moment was over really, really fast. Like they move on in 5 seconds
@_Snowflame
@_Snowflame 6 лет назад
For the entire movie I was half-expecting Barry Allen to vent his frustrations about losing a game of poker he's playing with a bird. The other half of my expectation was that after Superman was resurrected, he would be pacified by Batman reminding him, "Wait, Clark! I saved your mom! MARTHA!"
@Flowtail
@Flowtail 4 года назад
"I'm losin' to a bird!" --Barry Allen, probably
@Tekaine
@Tekaine 6 лет назад
I love to watch the hand gestures reflecting in the microphone.
@reuteratwork8983
@reuteratwork8983 6 лет назад
Gaahhhh! Damn you! Now I can't take my eyes away from it!!!
@GrainneMhaol
@GrainneMhaol 6 лет назад
Noooooo. Now I can't see anything else.
@mrlx1064
@mrlx1064 6 лет назад
thank you for saying what I didn't have the courage to
@Telsion
@Telsion 6 лет назад
Thank god I only saw this comment with one minute left :D
@dkrock8567
@dkrock8567 6 лет назад
Can't be unseen :)
@djelibaebi
@djelibaebi 6 лет назад
Folding Ideas Binge-Watch Drinking Game: - "There's a distinct tone problem in the film" - "The editing was .. terrible"
@nadinaventura
@nadinaventura 3 года назад
Honestly, going back to these reviews is so interesting, now that we have a clearer idea of what was originally Snyder's and what was Whedon's. Like, a lot of the painful Barry stuff was Snyder's all along! Whereas the Lois and Martha scene at the Daily Planet was Whedon's. The ressurection of Superman is more or less the same in both versions...
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 3 года назад
Indeed, it is interesting. For instance, everyone really did think that the opening was Snyder's doing, despite the opening included "Directed by Joss Whedon" over a still image of a homeless man with a sign that reads, "I tried" (the meaning of which is now very obvious). But now we know that it was Whedon's. My biggest takeaway from that realization was, "Wait a minute; he was able to convincingly imitate Snyder's directing style all along? Not that I'm complaining."
@Maka556
@Maka556 6 лет назад
Okay, that Extra Credits "Game" plush is pretty adorable.
@BlackBirdSweep
@BlackBirdSweep 6 лет назад
Your mother is adorable.
@LPChipi
@LPChipi 6 лет назад
It is! and we get to see Superman acting like Superman
@notelliot70
@notelliot70 6 лет назад
There we were, watching the opening of Justice League. My daughter turns to me and says "something's wrong with his face, something's weird. Is that the same actor? ". I told her about the cgi to remove Superman's mustache and she says "no...it's around his cheeks" Me "Oh! Yeah, that's because he's smiling.". 😂😂😂
@KarlLjungberg
@KarlLjungberg 6 лет назад
I saw it with my father and when leaving the cinema it took us a really long time to even ask what we thought about the movie. Like we were both afraid that we were gonna have different takes. Turns out we didn't, we both thought it was... ok. Not good. Not bad, just... ok? But we both agreed the first hour was so incredibly tedious we almost fell asleep. That was easily the most Snyderish part of the movie. On a different note, if you haven't seen BvS and go straight into this, like my dad did, the movie portrays it like Batman flat out killed Superman himself. Very few allusions to Doomsday, one or two throwaway lines that Lex Luthor was in it and then Superman comes back all growly: "You couldn't let me live. You couldn't let me die." It's entirely plausible to think Batman killed Superman on that basis.
@TMMx
@TMMx 6 лет назад
So Superman turned from Superman the Grey into Superman the White?
@sockatume
@sockatume 6 лет назад
The Bone-Cracking Gurgledeaths is my garage band.
@kevincollier4546
@kevincollier4546 6 лет назад
Trademark that name NOW! :D
@ryandeklerk9553
@ryandeklerk9553 6 лет назад
"I did not hate it" completely sums up my reaction to it as well.
@odistabettor
@odistabettor 6 лет назад
That part with the third motherbox...i just...my hands went up into the air and it was like the movie had reached out into the theatre and grabbed me by the collar and shook me, laughing in my face, spitting on me, and all i could do was sit there confused and hurt
@jorge_cloonez4984
@jorge_cloonez4984 6 лет назад
I'm gonna pay the price of admission just to see the weird CGI on Cavill.
@SarSaraneth
@SarSaraneth 6 лет назад
You could wait until clips show up on youtube. That way DC lose even more money.
@QazwerDave
@QazwerDave 6 лет назад
I saw the movie and forgot to look for it. I'm not paying to go again.
@lawrencescales9864
@lawrencescales9864 6 лет назад
jorge_cloonez find the Chinese version online for free
@jerdasaurusrex557
@jerdasaurusrex557 6 лет назад
That's legit why I went to see it.
@royalfool3600
@royalfool3600 3 года назад
Well it sounds like they need the money if the quality of the cgi is anything to go by
@guerillahag
@guerillahag 6 лет назад
the trailer had this melancholy and kind of nice sequence where lois sees clark standing in the farm and he says, "I'll take that as a yes, then. the ring." and she wakes up alone and we see that she was dreaming and she has the ring and she's sad what ended up in the movie? a rushed cut of lois waking up and stroking the bed. my brain automatically filled in that scene from the trailer and it wasn't until the actual green screen farm reshoot scene that i realized what they had replaced my Good Trailer Scene with :/
@lyndonwesthaven6623
@lyndonwesthaven6623 2 года назад
If you've seen no DC movies and have zero context for the term 'motherbox', the name is grounds for endless and very concerning speculation.
@filipaantoniabaratadearauj1749
I wonder if Whedon was hired because he was available or if WB took the opportunity to emulate Avengers. It seems odd to call on Whedon to replace Snyder and your review confirms it.
@Alforbia
@Alforbia 6 лет назад
I theorized that Whedon wanted the chance to re-enter superhero films in a way where its hard to blame him if its bad.
@420Slaterson
@420Slaterson 6 лет назад
Whedon was announced to be directing a Batgirl movie about a month and change before the news broke he'd be replacing Snyder so he had already joined the DC camp
@TheStanishStudios
@TheStanishStudios 6 лет назад
Honestly it felt really refreshing too. Snyder's visuals were gorgeous, but Whedon's banter totally sold me on the League itself
@DT-od3hd
@DT-od3hd 6 лет назад
Whedon and Snyder... all my nightmares at once.
@tobi397
@tobi397 6 лет назад
Snyder called Whedon, not WB
@tz64nk41
@tz64nk41 3 года назад
It;s very strange in hindsight to think back on it 3 years later and realise a lot of stuff we *assumed* Whedon had shot had actually been there all along
@HunchbackJack
@HunchbackJack 3 года назад
Yes and no. I was surprised how much was in the original, but I was also surprised how much Whedon reshot just to slightly change tone or add a funny line. Like, reshot a whole sequence, shot for shot, line for line, except for a line or two added or removed.
@_V.Va_
@_V.Va_ 3 года назад
And to realize how awful Whedon and Snyder's cuts are in their own special ways.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 3 года назад
@@_V.Va_ Honestly, while the theatrical version is still garbage, the Snyder Cut gave me a newfound appreciation for it. For instance, I disliked the bank scene when I first saw it, but then I saw how Snyder had it that Wonder Woman spattered the walls with the blood and brains of the bad guys and blew up a huge portion of the bank herself; likely killing a number of cops outside, I like that the theatrical version got rid of both the blood and the explosions. Similarly, one of the few scenes I liked when I saw the theatrical version was the one where Wonder Woman sees Batman's bruises and dislocated shoulder and tells him, "You can't keep doing this forever", leading Batman to admit, "I can barely keep doing it now." It was a really nice character moment and, guess what; it was added for the theatrical version; it was not in the Snyder Cut, because the Snyder Cut seems to think Batman's an invincible brute.
@geoffreysorkin5774
@geoffreysorkin5774 2 года назад
@@matthewmuir8884 As much as Snyder likes the imagery of Dark Knight Returns, he is clearly a major fan of Dark Knight Strikes Again's view on superheroes in general, and Batman in particular. Which is unfortunate, because DKSA is a terrible comic which gets Batman as wrong as you can get him.
@bronxbl0gr
@bronxbl0gr 6 лет назад
Man that's a sexy Mic
@noreehix5714
@noreehix5714 6 лет назад
I wonder if it’s danish audio it is gorgeous
@pickletarts8196
@pickletarts8196 6 лет назад
Check out Brandon Boyd's mic from the 'If Not Now, When' Tours and Studio recordings
@kidv2
@kidv2 6 лет назад
lol that's a soulman mic
@blakethompson-dodd9874
@blakethompson-dodd9874 6 лет назад
I feel that the big problem with the DCEU (besides editing) is the mythology. The MCU built Iron Man from the ground up, and then built the worlds mythology from that through to Avengers and beyond. Whereas the DCEU seems to use the preconceived mythology from the public conception of the characters. This would probably have worked if they had kept to the well known characterisations from the comics, but instead they decided to changed what Superman was, without building the mythology around this new character. So in Justice League everyone is losing their heads over their beacon of hope being gone, yet he wasn't ever held up as that beacon in the previous 2 movies. Bruce says the big reason to bring him back is because Clark is more human than him; This works great in the comics but here he barely even met Superman, let alone Clark, and for like 2 mins. We just kind of have to assume Superman was a nice guy because people say he is, but he is never shown to actually want to help people. I guess this is why Wonder Woman actually worked. The first act is setting up her mythology, and we see her express and confront her views on the world, and the world's view of her.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 6 лет назад
17:00 It should come as no surprise that Snyder's next project is an adaptation of Ayn Rand. His Superman is literally the Randian übermensch, a John Galt type whose greatness the masses cannot possibly appreciate or comprehend until he's gone.
@lesmortimers4791
@lesmortimers4791 5 лет назад
„Are you gonna cheat on your movies like you cheated on your wife?“ - Jenny Nicholson on Joss Whedon repeating jokes
@dean7301
@dean7301 6 лет назад
I'd like to hear your take on Ragnarok, even just briefly. Personally, I've enjoyed it a lot because it felt like it both let go and embraced superhero stereotypes, but unlike Age of Ultron or Civil War is doesn't bemoan it over and over, it just has fun with it. And I really love Waititi's style.
@TheGeorgeD13
@TheGeorgeD13 6 лет назад
And that's exactly why I didn't like it. If it can't take itself seriously, then I cannot take it seriously and it just get boring. Also hurts that 90% of the jokes just fall flat for me.
@handsoaphandsoap
@handsoaphandsoap 5 лет назад
I think it’s a fun flick but overall the two plots of Hela vs Planet Hulk have nothing to do with each other and don’t mesh. It doesn’t help either that there’s pretty much nothing about Hela that’s interesting, she’s mostly reduced to a woman scorn which is dumb, at least Cate Blanchett had fun in the role. Ragnarok should’ve been a Planet Hulk movie exclusively and dropped the Hela storyline altogether for a future movie so they could actually pay some attention to it.
@haggisa
@haggisa 3 года назад
@@handsoaphandsoap Exactly. I hated how two dimensional Hela was. And the humour felt quite forced.
@raiorai2
@raiorai2 3 года назад
Waititi's humor was amazing to me! It felt like the movie could joke while also taking itself seriously in the right moments. They barely use bathos (when a serious moment is cut by a comedic one), instead having a lot of comedic moments and some serious scenes. Felt great fir me and I strongly disagree with the idea that the jokes were forced, but I can comprehend people who didn't vibe with it for any reason.
@AvalonisHere
@AvalonisHere 3 года назад
@@haggisa Hela is literally a metaphore for the evil of colonialism. Like, the film is about how to move past forms of identity that hurt you and move on to new ones that empower you. Hel played her part in the film perfectly.
@Ryan6586
@Ryan6586 6 лет назад
Whedon walks in "let's polish this turd" and indeed we got a brightly polished one alright
@tremolo2109
@tremolo2109 6 лет назад
It's not Justice League without Martian Manhunter.
@DT-od3hd
@DT-od3hd 6 лет назад
or hawkgirl. or green lantern. they should have gone with the dcau lineup.
@drksideofthewal
@drksideofthewal 6 лет назад
Martian Manhunter Martia Manhunte Marti Manhunt Mart Manhun Mart Mahu Mart Mah Mart ah Martha
@charleynewman5057
@charleynewman5057 6 лет назад
drksideofthewal Eh, it's a bit of a stretch. But, not as much of a stretch as it was in the movie.
@yakuza01
@yakuza01 6 лет назад
Martin Manhunter: "Don't give them any ideas. I don't want any part of this mess."
@ChrisJones-nk8ti
@ChrisJones-nk8ti 4 года назад
#ULTIMATETRUTH
@darkymcsoulface7057
@darkymcsoulface7057 6 лет назад
The most important question is:Can we have CGI Moustache Removal in every movie going forward?
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 6 лет назад
Surely not the Freddie Mercury biopic.
@TheStanishStudios
@TheStanishStudios 6 лет назад
If anything, I WANT moustached Superman!
@timy9197
@timy9197 6 лет назад
+TheStanishStudios Exactly. It has personality.
@movierr111
@movierr111 6 лет назад
Whichever WB executive had the bright idea to put snyder in charge of this franchise should be shut in a room and played the whole series back to back in a LOOP
@harlack
@harlack 6 лет назад
I'd go see the band "Bone Cracking Gurgle Death"
@XMalleus
@XMalleus 5 лет назад
Pleasantly surprised to find a classic Jack comment here.
@FuchsiaShocked
@FuchsiaShocked 5 лет назад
How did The Flash manage not to go grab the mother box the second Steppenwolf's portal opened? Like, he's supposed to be fast. Does he just not think very fast?
@1080TJ
@1080TJ 6 лет назад
Just saw it. It's not a clusterfuck on the level of BvS or Suicide Squad. It's just... so meh. Dull, kinda cheesy, a few good moments sprinkled throughout. Generic plot, effects weren't great (Henry Cavill's CG moustache removal in one scene - holy shit his face looked so bizarre I laughed harder than at any of Flash's jokes). Biggest complaint would be Steppenwolf - second DC movie this year and the second superhero movie THIS MONTH where the villain design is "big CGI monster man with horns". His plot is to find the McGuffin and take over the world with his army of cannon fodder minions because he's mean I guess. When he gets defeated at the end he actually says shit like "no, that's not possible!" Almost felt like a parody of poorly written villains. Also this movie had like three different opening scenes, four if you count the credits sequence. It was just such a nothing movie. Completely forgettable, unambitious and inoffensive - Snyder's other two DC films, flawed as they were, certainly weren't that. It's a shame. This is the fucking Justice League. Fans deserve better. 4/10 on my scale Spoilers for the post credits scene - Eisenluthor is back because I guess Warner Bros hates us and now he's teaming up with Deathstroke. They finally gave him the bald head and the suit and he looks like a kid playing dress up. If he's gonna be in Gareth Evans's Deathstroke movie... well, there goes my excitement for that. Ugh.
@theclawyaww3740
@theclawyaww3740 6 лет назад
you nailed my feelings perfectly
@benedicto2031
@benedicto2031 6 лет назад
Nathan Holstrom she was just as forgettable though
@TheCatLoverLord
@TheCatLoverLord 6 лет назад
Marauder Of Diagon Alley Not really
@tenylegnincsevem
@tenylegnincsevem 6 лет назад
Goldblum was the real Villain in Thor 3, Hela was Kevin Feige's hand in the movie.
@benedicto2031
@benedicto2031 6 лет назад
The Question the villain was poorly written and underdeveloped and she was "threatning" you say?? Don't make me laugh. The woman was a joke. Hulk was more threatning than her and he was one of the good guys lol
@lividjellyfish
@lividjellyfish 6 лет назад
Am I insane or is Dan-O’s audio like, three frames off?
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 6 лет назад
Pretty sure it's going to drift in and out by a few frames. I was lazy and used OBS to record directly to hard drive, but OBS uses variable frame rate, which Premiere "fixes" causing drifts in audio that will phase in and out depending on instantaneous bitrate.
@themaverick7514
@themaverick7514 6 лет назад
Folding Ideas I like that you actually look through comments. Good on you
@royalfool3600
@royalfool3600 3 года назад
@@FoldingIdeas I thought this was folding ideas not folding excuses
@QazwerDave
@QazwerDave 6 лет назад
I love your reviews. You bring the problems so clearly into the light !
@shinohidanzetsu
@shinohidanzetsu 6 лет назад
I love that he can explain these problems without really going into plot details, like everything he brings up is trailer level spoiler stuff. Things they should have told us in the trailers.
@politicalnerdV
@politicalnerdV 3 года назад
"Kind of weird and more than a little strange" sounds like a sequel to Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close.
@dracowheelz5
@dracowheelz5 6 лет назад
I'm a huge Superman fan who felt burned by the last two films, so it's safe to say that he really does feel like the big blue boy scout we all know and love, right? RIGHT? (Nervous)
@MrBioBlue94
@MrBioBlue94 6 лет назад
dracowheelz5 imo he is portrayed better in this one.
@dracowheelz5
@dracowheelz5 6 лет назад
TheGreeklover08 ok thank you!
@KarlLjungberg
@KarlLjungberg 6 лет назад
He eventually comes out the boyscout in blue and red that we all know and love, it just... takes a while to get there.
@daniellove162
@daniellove162 6 лет назад
The boy Scout is back and it's great. His sheer raw power is also on display. Supes is great.
@bkr_418
@bkr_418 3 года назад
I would be very much interested in hearing your thoughts, opinions or analysis on/of the Snyder Cut. (Just to note, I have actually not seen either cut of Justice League, so I don't have a horse in this race. I would just be curious to see if any of your thoughts have changed, and how.)
@vivianviolet
@vivianviolet 6 лет назад
the opening was pretty bad save for the badass Wonder Woman intro scene where she stops random terrorists, that felt like a justice league cartoon cold open
@samleheny1429
@samleheny1429 6 лет назад
Sounds like the studio panicked and reasoned that a dud was preferable to a train-wreck. I really think Snyder needs to leave this project. I feel like he's hurting the project and the project is hurting him. Might be time to walk away and get some air.
@ricardoaviles2260
@ricardoaviles2260 6 лет назад
Name Here he has left already due to personal reasons. He wont be wprking on dc projects for a while.
@khawajh
@khawajh 6 лет назад
Ricardo Aviles Thank god!
@mburumorris3166
@mburumorris3166 4 года назад
@@ricardoaviles2260 Look who's back!
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 3 года назад
@@mburumorris3166 But thankfully only for his cut of the movie; hopefully he'll leave DC be once he's done feeding his own ego.
@_NoDrinkTheBleach
@_NoDrinkTheBleach 6 лет назад
As goofy as Cavill's cg lip was, I feel like the movie truly shined every time he or his computer generated self showed up. It's clear they tried to cram a great deal of levity into the movie, but Superman's scenes felt less schlocky than anything Aquaman, Flash, or Cyborg did. If this version of Superman had appeared in Man of Steel, I probably would have loved it.
@acutefailure1
@acutefailure1 6 лет назад
Gurgle death is the most upsetting description of violence I've heard. 12/10
@Dissent1
@Dissent1 6 лет назад
Less-prickish Superman is a big selling point.
@jakesampson5629
@jakesampson5629 6 лет назад
The moustache in the farm scene was literally, if you haven't seen it, like a meme. Like one of those memes with moving mouths it was unreal to watch in an actual movie lmao
@cheezemonkeyeater
@cheezemonkeyeater 2 года назад
"Dying has made Superman less of a prick." Yeah, death will do that to you.
@Falchieyan
@Falchieyan 6 лет назад
For those curious about the "Superman Smile" he mentions: comicbook.com/dc/2017/11/17/justice-league-superman-henry-cavill-mustache-CGI/
@DT-od3hd
@DT-od3hd 6 лет назад
oh no
@timy9197
@timy9197 6 лет назад
Before clicking: "I must see it" After clicking: "I need to lay down"
@ironclaw3000user
@ironclaw3000user 6 лет назад
(._____.) Some things just can be unseen.
@ImVeryOriginal
@ImVeryOriginal 6 лет назад
oh god
@atdrawn
@atdrawn 6 лет назад
He looks constipated as hell.....
@FTZPLTC
@FTZPLTC 2 года назад
Gotta say, the "Everyone's mad at Superman for not fixing everything, America doesn't deserve Superman" to "Everyone's sad that the world is bad *without* Superman" transition sounds so much like sulky boomer rhetoric about America that I'd almost be shocked if it wasn't intentional.
@Caitlin_TheGreat
@Caitlin_TheGreat 6 лет назад
Just this morning a co-worker was telling me about it, and I think the best compliment he could give was "it's mostly better than batman vs superman". Which isn't saying a whole lot, at all. Contrast this with the sea of hyperbolic praise given in the comments sections of the trailers, which I highly suspect are filled with fake comments seeded by WB. Personally, I have no intention of "going easy" on the DC movies. Especially since, with Wonder Woman, they showed that they _are_ capable of making a decent and likable movie (if only WW had a better scene in place of the big-bad-guy fight it would have been genuinely *good* as a movie). I suspect I'll wait to check out Justice League when it comes out for rental or something. But hopefully this is the last Snyder-tainted movie they make and I can start enjoying some damn DC movies.
@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond
@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond 6 лет назад
Snyder apparantly wanted superman to be evil throughout, even still being evil at the end. Even with the weird face, Cavill's superman finally got good, if fans of dc comics thank whedon for anything, it should be for that.
@cheezemonkeyeater
@cheezemonkeyeater 2 года назад
"I didn't hate it." Damn, that's some faint praise.
@StanTheWoz
@StanTheWoz 6 лет назад
I honestly thought it was pretty enjoyable. Not great by any critical standard but far better than what we've seen in Man of Steel and BvS. I actually liked Cavill's Superman for the first time by the end of the movie, which is a hell of an achievement. Really reinforces my view that my issues with the character weren't him so much as the writing or Snyder's direction. Anyway, interesting speculation on reshoots and such.
@malcontent79
@malcontent79 6 лет назад
I find it interesting that this is the second time (almost in a row) that this studio is jumping to an ensemble without laying proper groundwork OR doing ensemble right. And (semi spoiler I guess kinda?) there's indications they're planning to do it AGAIN. I know they're playing catch-up but there are right ways to present ensembles, and they are not doing those ways. My friends and I were talking about it, and the biggest issue is that these characters were insufficiently distinct. Everyone was punchy stabby except Superman who also had freezebreath and eyebeams; and Flash for Search & Rescue. They never really gave each character a proper moment in their element, bringing their own special something to the effort. Hell, they let Aquaman get Worfed when Steppenwolf stole the Atlantean motherbox. That was really fucking stupid. Anyway... all of that said, I feel like they're trying to course-correct, and they had to do this one as a write-off so that moving forward they can give the characters the films they deserve. I hope that's the case, because I really want to see good DC movies because I love these characters. Just don't make me watch Batfleck do the Batusi.
@zippoboyshaneshank8954
@zippoboyshaneshank8954 6 лет назад
My guess is.... In the original version, Supe was supposed to comeback as an evil pawn of Steppenwolf and Darkseid , leading to events of the second JL, in which the dark knightmare timeline from BvS happens, and the flash has to time travel, back to Bruce, saying Lois is the key. Snyder had a plan, it was bad,but he knew where he wanted to go.
@kankerkebs15
@kankerkebs15 6 лет назад
Thoughts on how so many critics on youtube are too afraid to say the movie is bad? Even though they give multiple reasons why it is
@caitlinerickson7355
@caitlinerickson7355 6 лет назад
Mulch Butler so, disclaimer: I have not seen the movie, I’ve only watched a couple reviews, but it seems to me that compared to the other DCEU movies, it’s reasonably competent and people really want the franchise to succeed despite its many failures, so they don’t say “it’s terrible” they say “it’s not that bad” and feel hopeful despite themselves. That’s my theory anyway.
@jessielefey
@jessielefey 6 лет назад
Mulch Butler I don't think they're afraid, it's more about expectations. Everyone was braced for it to be Suicide Squad again. It's not, it's low mediocre not Fan4stic. So everyone is pleasantly surprised. A Marvel movie, or even a Fox Xmen movie couldn't get away with this, because we've got expectations for them. But DC movies at this point are the disappointment child; "yeah, he dropped out, but at least he hasn't gotten arrested again..."
@kankerkebs15
@kankerkebs15 6 лет назад
I see your point but the Rotten Tomatoes thing was very worrisome, and most of the reviews I've watched/read can all be summarized as "meh, you'll like it if you like comics or action, but here's a whole list of problems that are unforgivable at this level".
@kankerkebs15
@kankerkebs15 6 лет назад
Just seems like if this wasn't a comic book movie, no one would recommend it. "It was nice to see the Justice League come to life" I hear that a lot.
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 6 лет назад
I feel like I covered this in the vlog, during my summary at the end, but the short of it is that the movie ends on its strongest foot, which colours the way that viewers mentally frame the movie. It's not great, but I didn't leave the theatre angry. It is, objectively, riddled with problems, but it's at least coherent and feels like it's focused on a singular comprehensible plot. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you're basically going to see it anyway because friends/family/whatever then it's passable. Also I feel like a lot of YT critics are deliberately using "damning with faint praise" titles (as I did) due to the very specific culture of toxic fans that have arisen around the DCEU.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 3 года назад
17:48 I honestly interpreted the opening of Justice League as the world realizing that it didn't know what it had until it was gone, which lines up a bit better with BvS but, like BvS, is undermined by Snyder's Superman being a jerk.
@kankerkebs15
@kankerkebs15 6 лет назад
I don't think they originally intended to resurrect Superman at all. Snyder teased the fact that he was still alive at the end of BvS with the funeral scene, so he might have had Superman just show up and save the day in the end.
@Bluemew1234
@Bluemew1234 6 лет назад
Snyder was talking about bringing Superman back in the next movie within a week of BvS coming out.
@shiron222
@shiron222 6 лет назад
That EXTRA CREDITS plush is adorable...
@richie2101
@richie2101 6 лет назад
isn´t indifference to a movie worse than hatred
@timy9197
@timy9197 6 лет назад
Good point
@avxx0035
@avxx0035 6 лет назад
yep, at least BvS is memorable for how bad it is, this just sounds like a nothing movie that will be forgotten by the release of Star Wars
@richie2101
@richie2101 6 лет назад
maybe thats the plan, put people to sleep than soft reboot the DCEU
@avxx0035
@avxx0035 6 лет назад
Maggiddo[X]Gaming hahaha, still a more plausible theory than Disney buying critics though
@cleenegame
@cleenegame 6 лет назад
so far, the best review
@avxx0035
@avxx0035 6 лет назад
Just like Suicide Squad , he doesn't just say he hated it or loved it, there's a grey area you know, i mean i enjoy the fast and furious movies, they're still pretty bad though
@strubberyg7451
@strubberyg7451 6 лет назад
I must admit, the extra credit plushy confused me for a second. I thought Dan Olson is also Daniel Floyd for a moment. Glad you're a fan of EC!
@ashlynx1
@ashlynx1 6 лет назад
I think you failed to mention how good wonder woman is in this movie, like her attitude and presence is like a breath of fresh air in this world
@wknight8111
@wknight8111 6 лет назад
Setup: "I hear you talk to fish?" Reminder: "Wait, do you talk to fish?" Payoff: None, it's never mentioned again. Setup: "My metabolism is super fast and I eat all the time" Reminder: "Is now a bad time to talk about my blood sugar?" Payoff: None, it's never mentioned again. (I may have just watched your video on suicide squad). Even by this one small measure the movie was a complete mess.
@TheHermesLP
@TheHermesLP 3 года назад
That's not a problem of the movie, as much as is a problem of you using that rule like it's universal. Even in that video, Dan says that things DON'T ALWAYS need to be set up, reinforced and pay off, just that it makes it feel better. This things you mention just happened. And then are mentioned again. But aren't neccesarily big stuff anyway. The problem there was Suicide Squad has a pay off that turns out to "transform the unicorn into money out of nowhere", not that "there is no pay off for the unicorn" after being reinforced.
@nostalgiatrip1
@nostalgiatrip1 6 лет назад
This movie seriously needed either at the very least a few more months of work, a year would be the best but sigh.
@TheGeorgeD13
@TheGeorgeD13 6 лет назад
Yeah, they should've pushed the release date to January or February in all honesty. And let it be more than 2 hours.
@nostalgiatrip1
@nostalgiatrip1 6 лет назад
George Daugherty Yup I guess now I know what it feels like to watch a workprint cut of a movie.
@Terjay
@Terjay 6 лет назад
There was a Turkish Airlines commercial before this video. Amazing.
@bennygerow
@bennygerow 3 года назад
3:45 I sincerely would love to see you make a two hour vid on the Snyder Cut!
@Aguila1138
@Aguila1138 3 года назад
Just here watching the refection of his hands in the mic
@BravoSquid
@BravoSquid 2 года назад
Turns out one of those Ma Kents was a shapeshifter? I get why they cut it, but it does create a teleportation issue for sure.
@LogicGated
@LogicGated 2 года назад
The best possible review " I did not hate it"
@masterplusmargarita
@masterplusmargarita 3 года назад
I just can't get over the Transformers and Avatar PS3 games in the background
@nakenmil
@nakenmil 6 лет назад
Speaking of tone, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the increased level of comedy in Thor: Ragnarok. Personally, I think the comedy eventually began infringing on the dramatic aspects of the movie. There were scenes with promising pathos, which seemed to be immediately deflated by some joke or gag. I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but at the very end, when the final battle is over, and things go kaboom, there is a split moment of deep sadness over what's lost, only for it to be interrupted by the rock guy comedic relief. To me, that's moment was sort of emblematic of how the entire movie treats drama - as something that should be cut short by jokes as soon as possible - and that bothered me, I must admit. Maybe I'm just weird, everyone else seems to love it, I dunno. In itself it's fine, but in relation to the Thor movies or Avengers movies, it feels tonally weird. More like a Guardians tie-in.
@gordongraham2064
@gordongraham2064 6 лет назад
Enthused Norseman I dunno, mostly I didn't have a problem with the comedy infringing on the dramatic bits. The scene with Odin was good, the "get help" gag didn't especially infringe on the elevator scene, stuff like that. I do agree that Taika Waititi should have just shut up during the destruction of Asgard, especially since it was such a predictable joke. Korg only ever had lines that were comic relief, so it doesn't work as subversion because you're waiting for the punchline the whole time. But yeah, that was the only moment that really jarred me out of the film.
@nakenmil
@nakenmil 6 лет назад
That was probably the worst offender (just to be clear, I didn't dislike Korg as a whole. His introduction to the arena was hilarious), but I noticed several other moments as well. Hela in her entirety seemed to be portrayed with a level of ironic distance (constantly having to re-explain what she meant, never being taken seriously, only really having a single, bumbling and incompetent henchman, etc.) that ultimately made me feel like she was less of a threat, no matter how many enemies she beat up. This wasn't helped by the movie not really showing us the consequences of her reign beyond a few small vignettes. She felt much like a repeat of the Malekith character in many ways, albeit more comedically portrayed, as mentioned above. Her "revelation" ultimately had little influence on the story aside from conveniently giving her an army. No tension over whether some Asgardians would actually *want* this heritage she presented. There was also the issue of the Surtr sequence in the beginning also being predicated on ironic distance to the genre conventions, which felt a bit jarring, imho, when compared to the other movies we've seen Thor in. Thor has always had swagger, yes, but sarcastic banter? I don't know. Surtr's last appearance was also marked by some level of comedy which included Hulk acting like a puppy dog biting the mail man, which wasn't as jarring (by that point the tone of the movie had been set well), but still ultimately made him a bit of a joke. My last example for now will be the plot thread of the disconnect between Hulk and Banner which was introduced, but then more or less dropped before anything came of it. There was a little bit of tension before the last transformation, but then everything was fine and no one mentioned it again, so it was effectively a dramatic cul-de-sac, if you will. (There's also the rather odd notion that apparently a pair of M16/M4 assault rifles were able to wreak more havoc upon the undead army than what most of the magi-tech of the Asgardians could, but that's a bit of a different oddity, I guess.) Anyway, thanks for giving me a fair answer. A lot is in the eye of the beholder, I guess, and despite my rant, I did actually enjoy it as a whole. Mainly the Sakaar bits.
@gordongraham2064
@gordongraham2064 6 лет назад
Yeah, I think a lot of this does come down to subjectivity. Found Hela more threatening than Malekith, mostly because she was allowed to have emotions, and because I really love the Warriors Three from the comics, so her killing them was a gut punch. I think handling Surtr with ironic distance really worked, because there's really no depth to him at all. I do wish that they had cut the joke with Hulk punching Surtr, because while it was funny, it didn't actually change anything. I don't have a problem with making him a joke in this context, though. I do agree that they should have gone a little further with Asgard's bloody history. Thor's last scene with Odin should have been shot through with discomfort, and should have been more specific about Odin's regrets, and that Thor's refusal to stoop to Odin's level is what makes him stronger. Ultimately, though, I think the movie had a pretty clear vision of its own that it executed with great success, and I'm fine letting a couple of missteps slide in exchange for a deliriously fun realization of the genre-mashing wackiness of actual Thor comics.
@Pixxeria
@Pixxeria 6 лет назад
In the case of this movie it bothered me too.
@RushilKothare
@RushilKothare 6 лет назад
Regarding the ending, while the ending might make you sad, the whole point was that ________ is a people, not a place. So while the place has blown up, the people are what make it important, and those people are still there. ____ making a joke is supposed to signify that the people aren't gone and that they are still here, laughing and enjoying life.
@aaronmitchell4558
@aaronmitchell4558 3 года назад
How… how has it been 3 years since this came out? I should get round to watching it.
@rockinoff21
@rockinoff21 6 лет назад
I imagine this as the Bluray quotes. "It's not terrible"
@benjaminjones9981
@benjaminjones9981 6 лет назад
That should be in the advertising for the DVD/Bluray... "It's not a misanthropic cesspit." & "Probably don't buy this. But if you do... it probably shouldn't leave you in pain. So, there's that." :-D
@Ocrilat
@Ocrilat 6 лет назад
OMG they should have just left Superman's mustache in! How hilarious would it have been?
@kilo1012
@kilo1012 6 лет назад
The portal thing is called a Boom Tube because it goes Boom and Jack Kirby was a fun guy
@bio0link
@bio0link 6 лет назад
Jesus christ i just watched a clip of the CGI face, I burst out laughing uncontrollably people in my house thought i was going insane. Jesus thats bad....
@UchihaKat
@UchihaKat 3 года назад
3:53 You know what you have to do now, Dan.
@LeschekOfLechia
@LeschekOfLechia 6 лет назад
The only sequence without Superman's CGI upper lip is a fight scen between Man of Steel and rest of the JL. Because of that I think that Snyder wanted to make some kind of Superman-Bizarro story arc and he was a villain in JL 1. I wonder whether Steppenwolf originally was planned for JL at all.
@ZimMan2
@ZimMan2 6 лет назад
Such glowing praise. Up there with my friend's reaction "Well it didn't suck."
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 6 лет назад
The biggest thing I kept noticing in the film was how everyone and the narrative shilled and lionized Superman. I wound up comparing him to Son Goku; he's dead, the heroes are SOL when he's dead, when he comes back the heroes are *still* SOL until he shows up and starts fighting, and in the end there's not much tension because _of course_ Superman wins. Except that Toriyama tried to give the illusion that Goku could lose his fights. Superman is the solution to all the problems. We need Superman. Even--no, especially--the guy who spent part of a movie trying to take him down agrees. It's a bit obnoxious.
@sillyant113
@sillyant113 6 лет назад
No wonder it feels eerie watching Superman. I think I kinda like the uncanny effect... coz he just raised from the dead so I think the unsettling feeling of him in the movie. It kinda works in this movie. but.. that's just my personal feel
@stephaniehauenstein9123
@stephaniehauenstein9123 6 лет назад
I noticed the problem with tone too. Whedon and Snyder have completely different styles when it comes to tone so at times it felt like I was watching two different movies...
@BATCHARRO
@BATCHARRO 6 лет назад
The scene around 22:30 sounds like it would happen in Wonderella comics, not in Justice League.
@elin111
@elin111 6 лет назад
The Synder cut would've been much worse, he was planning to make it even more depressing and lifeless than BvS.
@JeredtheShy
@JeredtheShy 6 лет назад
"It most likely will not leave you in pain". Slap that one on the posters that's a theater filler.
@dalellll
@dalellll 2 года назад
Oh yeah I saw the Bone Cracking Gurgle Deaths when they went on tour.
@eelwheels
@eelwheels 6 лет назад
"shouldn't leave you in pain" a true glowing endorsement ahaha
@sietesamurais
@sietesamurais 6 лет назад
Damning with faint praise! I love your critiques of superhero films anyway
@MrHGaudet
@MrHGaudet 6 лет назад
I suppose you could make the case that before he died, Superman didn't seem to make a difference, but after his death, his absence was felt and we all realized just how much we relied on him, how much worse things are without him. Ideally, if you were going to make this case, some hint of it should make it to the screen, but hey...
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 3 года назад
That's what I figured it was trying to convey; that everyone didn't know what they had until it was gone.
@caseymckenna7111
@caseymckenna7111 2 года назад
Well.. this aged.. interestingly.
@peterp2153
@peterp2153 6 лет назад
The blame goes on Warner Bros for this. As your video mentions, there was "ruthless" editing down performed. But also, story elements were completely changed...specifically those involving Superman hence the reshooting of 95% of his footage. The score was taken away from Junkie XL, who was one of the men behind BvS soundtrack. You seem knowledgable of the Behind The Scenes issues but I dunno if you have the intimate familiarity that some of the more obsessive fans have. But there's a lot of BTS changes that put the blame on WB simply doing a box checking, assembly line version of a film. I.e., this is not a Snyder film and in fact almost not a film at all. The shortening of every scene really damages a film. I watched the theatrical BvS last night after only viewing the ultimate cut almost all other times and the fact that every scene just cuts to the next without a set up or a come down really makes it hard to keep up and take it all in. Very sad what was done to this film.
@afernandezaf55af
@afernandezaf55af 6 лет назад
Thank you very much for this. I think it's incredibly insightful and wonderfully put all the way through. I have not seen the film, and I feel I should put an obligatory "yet" because I do feel I'll inevitably go see it either with friends or family or something. Personally I was entirely skeptical of this film after Batman is Superman and then of course the absolute crapshoot that is suicide squad but Wonder Woman renewed a bit of hope because it was genuinely good but I was still skeptical. I still want to see it but I guess I feel disappointed because I actually do want to see what they can do with these films but I feel like they don't have much vision. I wanted this film to work and it kinda sucks that it doesn't. Maybe I'll try to catch Blade Runner or Thor again.
@FoldingIdeas
@FoldingIdeas 6 лет назад
I would 110% go see Blade Runner again over this.
@zerakielvmark
@zerakielvmark 6 лет назад
It did leave one of my friends in pain and hating the world.
@Dylan-nq6vi
@Dylan-nq6vi 6 лет назад
Dude you have too much of a life, I need more videos!
@spacecadet9663
@spacecadet9663 3 года назад
I guess we should be happy that Joss Whedon didn't include a scene where wonder woman says she's a monster because she can't have children. Yeah, İ see you Joss. You thought we all forgot about that scene from Age of Ultron didn't you? But Pepper ridge farms remembers...
@ladyattis
@ladyattis 6 лет назад
I think another aspect of Justice League is the fact Geoff Johns got control of the entire franchise just after this film started production but that he still had some influence on it. I won't spoil other aspects of the movie but I'll say the tonal shift from dark (Snyder) to light (Whedon) is partly intentional if you've ever read anything by Johns (Blackest Night probably is a good example of this). Johns is a Silver Age nerd with a Modern Age aesthetic when it comes to his comics. He doesn't ham it up like Morrison (I love Morrison, deal with it) but he does like his heroes being heroes and not angsty dirt bags. So, in a way JL's tonal shift feels like Johns got to influence the over all arc of the film, especially the ending and post-credit scenes. This might be too little too late for WB but I'm more interested now in seeing the one-off character films now that I know Johns can actually exert influence to keep the characters closer to their comicbook counterparts.
@superjuca55
@superjuca55 6 лет назад
"Suicide Squad's construction is bad in a way that's legitimately unsettling for a movie of this scope and budget. There's serious concerns about what Warner Brothers is up to with how the DC films are being handled in general that makes you wonder if they aren't going to implode entirely." - 31/12/2016 - I discovered your channel today and I'm watching everything related to DCEU trying to understand what happened.
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