Kaido vs Madara is closer than you think 

Pls make a vidoe of sukkuna vs shigaraki 😅

Great vid, question, how do you feel about observation haki countering genjustu. I would assume the very definition of observation haki counters it, considering that a basic sharingan could provide some resistance to it

@@greatminikwu9089 I probably could but I don't like My hero, not to say I'd be biased but I have no idea where the scaling even starts

@@avoidgel1685 verse equalization would have to be applied since basically every character that isn't from Naruto would be immune to Genjutsu. But I think that if the Genjutsu does work they could probably still sense where the opponent is and what they would do since it isn't reliant on the 5 senses

​@@El_Eon_ Bra you did alot of things wrong not only did you use the lowest interpretation of narutos speed to get One piece higher But the thing showing the One piece planet with moons and such also really exists in Our world at a time we're people thought everything revolved around the earth you can even see pictures of it on Google that's what Oda was inspired by the One piece planet ain't that. Big thirdly you used Off scaling for kaido which is scaling kaido higher than weaker characters or relative characters feats but you did not do the same for the naruto verse interms of Ap or shit you just used fucking calcts Madara using selective gravity to pull a meteor from outer space is calcts to planetary levels of kinetic energy and even half of the ninetails being stated to have the power to turn the world to ash are we serious kaido gets stomped stop praising him

Kaido build different

Like rock lee

Madara is human. Kaido is an oni that ate a fruit that possibly made him a carp and then into a dragon.

​@@p_rnhubnah, its just it's category being a fish isn't really a part of the fruits awakening cycle; an example would be the cat cat fruit model leopard, or ox ox fruit model giraffe. Both didn't need to be their base animals, they are just classifications. ( Which would also explain why momonosuke immediately was a dragon, rather then being a fish.)

​​@@p_rnhub yeah No. So much for Uchiha's being normal human. If you think about it. Uchiha is no different than Oni or other races in fiction. I think that assessment is not a good assessment. Uchiha is no different than Oni or heck might has far more natural potential than normal oni's😅

😂😂😂

I mean back when they were younger it actually was a close fight, the only reason moria is weak now is bc Kaido beat him, but they were closely matched

@@boxlad7583 That still messes me up thinking Moria was somehow at any point in the story close to Kaido. It's still wild knowing how trash Moria is in Thriller Bark.

​@@boxlad7583Kaido wasn't that strong back then , I'd argue he's in his prime or barely past it during the raid

@@pep4338I agree, but at the same time moria was also young and not in his prime, he just stopped training and lost his will after Kaido beat him. If moria kept training he could've had advanced armament and future sight by now and he would actually be Yonko commander level at the very least

no

@@mrstrangeworld5977 fym no?

Preciate it, hopefully I can grow the channel!

​@@El_Eon_you must💯

It’s almost as if people with logic are in the minority 😂 this guy doesn’t miss!

Because majority of people find echo chambers relatable and it feels incredibly bad.

This is not top tier scaling. He didn’t really account for any verse equalization at all. And the “they’re in character” is just a massive cop out imo.

Man... see now I gotta get back to work, good idea😂

@@El_Eon_ just imagining her using the souls of ninjas to bring the Hokage statues to life 😅

@@deathGod252 idk what the statue would do exactly but it would be funny🤣

@@El_Eon_ oh probably nothing but it would be funny 😁

lmao it would only take a couple of the strongest members of the village, and it wouldn't be much of a fight

Nah he BS at power scaling he biased as fuck

​@@orpheemulemo8053Typical Naruto fans who haven't watched any other anime ☝️🥱.

@@orpheemulemo8053 Not really, a bs biased fan puts kaido at planetary+ to swarf star lol

@@hlua_bawitlung3829 I've watched One piece you can see the stupidity in here the Entails itself when the ninja alliance was sensing it's power it was shown already to be the size of a small planet Then Madara absorbed that and added power from nine and eight tails plus sage mode which is a huge 100 to 10 times multiplier and the nine tails itself being stated twice to have enough power to turn the world to ash And kaidos strongest One time attack is calcts by himself to be a small planet level power So how is kaido beating Madara when his outstated

@@orpheemulemo8053buddy the fire dum version kaido is bigger then the 10 tails and fire melts everything

No it’s not bruh he literally didn’t even use any of the planetary feats from the final arc

not verse equalization just makes this invalid

Cry verse equalization is stupid​@@Reem-yr1tj

​@@Reem-yr1tjit's a vs, if you need to verse equalize then it wasn't a valid fight in the first place

@@mr.bubbletea6428 bro one piece planet is estimated to be 100+ times bigger than ours and you have island busters all around with the islands being countriy sized in their verse, and somehow only naruto fans like to try high balling everything they see into planetary

27 minutes in now, and I have some additional remarks. I believe the fact that Might Guy was able to destroy the truth-seeking orbs and not be injured is because he had an aura of intense chakra (red). Similarly, the orbs in the fights of Naruto, Madara, Sasuke, and Kaguya were destroyed because of interactions between 6 Paths Chakra/Sage Mode Chakra. Hence, I actually think Kaido would be unable to deal with Madara's TSO. Furthermore, I think the final form of Madara, even if blitzed and reached by Kaido, would not succumb to death purely via blunt force and pummeling. Madara has many defensive techniques on top of the Human Path to extract the soul, and even in his weaker forms (the past two you talked about), he displayed massive feats of pure strength such as completely overpowering the Tailed Beasts that weigh tens of gigatons. Pulling from the VS Battles Wiki that you cited a few times, they are each listed at category 5-C, which is quite interesting. However, due to the nature of how impervious and specific someone must be to deal with Jubidara, I would ultimately declare him the victor in most confrontations with Kaido. Yes, as mentioned at 27:00, TSO should one-shot Kaido.

One more thing, as you addressed a lot of what I said in your final few questions. You mention Madara may need a controller plugged in to properly hit his TSO or human path soul extraction, but I would instead argue Madara is an extraordinary genius in terms of learning amidst battle and chakra control/techniques (stated on VS Battle as well). Having this higher battle IQ would allow him to manipulate Kaido into being encircled or trapped by the TSO and inevitably hit, or at the very least stalled long enough for soul-extraction to begin. Furthermore, if we apply TSO's properties of being indestructible without being interacted with by 6-Paths chakra, then Madara can theoretically mega-expand the TSO to simply reach Kaido, or shield himself indefinitely.

@@RoboShaoran You know I have a personal rule that I'm going to enforce my next video onward but in this case just cuz you seem to have a very level take about this and I appreciate it. I'm going to let you know. I think I just figured How strong Luffy actually is. I'll have to put a lot of thought into this one. But here's the thing I don't disagree that Madara can win. I'm cool with either answer. But saying that his battle genius or whatever is going to get him out of this is disingenuous because it doesn't consider that Madara and Sasuke both have the same pattern of EMS. That told him a lot about Sasuke, and he did figure out that they had six paths powers but that didn't help him much. He got blitzed by Sasuke while understanding how Sasuke fights and with SP senjutsu. Their fight never hunted at him being ahead of them. He was running away after he fought out he couldn't win with his second rinnegan. And even then Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything he threw at them. They were never in a bad position or out of control. And as I mentioned we never saw his full strength so you can't argue for a hypothetical. Only for what's given. In his strongest quantifiable form 2 Rinnegan 10 tails Madara is still only weaker than Kaguya and so are Naruto and Sasuke, the best argument you can make for Madara is that he's relative to Naruto and Sasuke who still high diff struggled with Kaguya with Help from DMS Kakashi. Kaguya. Madara is weaker than that and I don't believe he could figure a specific situation to deal with a power system that he's never even heard of or would have any idea of how it works. Kaido would just be a guy that can see in the future, he still has to dodge or block his hits. When they are faster. And he hits about his hard. I'm giving Madara everything. I just don't see how he gets out of this.

@@El_Eon_ Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your clarification in some of the sentiments! I've been talking it over with some friends and it might come up in a future podcast down the road if we ever do one, as this was an interesting topic. I agree that Madara is likely disadvantaged but maybe my personal bias just wants him to win a little bit more...that being said, Kaido IS Him. Hope your personal stuff was taken care of smoothly and I look forward to future vids!

@RoboShaoran -you know guy never touches TSO if he touch them then he will be erased from the existence, that wasn't might guy who broke TSO, that was kakakshi who made a hole inside TSO by kamui and guy just went through it and break madara's backbone and then he lost to maintain his TSO cause guy just come out of the blue and break his bones and madara's whole body is made up of six path chakra and sage mode that's the reason why TSO was destroyed cause these are the weaknesses of TSO, they just have two weaknesses sage mode and 4D attack potency which can manipulate 4D space just like kamui, kaido will be neg diff by TSO and these aren't the all abilities of madara, also madara tanked teen naruto puch with some of his TSO defence while being almost died from night guy and that puch of teen naruto made cracks on the god tree and then also survived easily from lava style rasenshuriken which totally cut and destroyed the god tree and i tell you that god tree contains almost planet level durability, i am not seeing kaido having that much of strength or AP and bypassing this even with any type of his haki and most of this video's statements can easily be debunked and the list of madara's abilities will be continue.

Honestly Wano was the biggest power cliff in One Piece I've seen. It's actually crazy how many power ups Luffy needed just to compete with Kaido.

@@msaag5490by far

@@msaag5490facts

Kaido wasn’t called the “strongest creature” for nothing or the phrase “It’s it’s 1v1, always bet on Kaido” Kaido is the only person so far shown fighting on par and getting the better of gear 5

​@@aceclover758PTS One Piece was not gearing up to be this strong except for when WB shifted tectonic plates/the entire ocean, when Kuzan froze the entire ocean, WB can crack an island in two, Akainu can tank said punches, BB gaining WB's power albeit weaker. Other than the Marineford war, OP was never that strong. (Closest you can imply is Croc actually awakened and effected all of alabasta which is calculated as the same size as Australia).

Time skip boruto cooks kaido

@@UnT4untedwell boruto is destined to kill gods

@@josephswanson3510 madara > this video's statements can debunked very easily.

In my opinion, verse equalization simply does not work within the context of versus battles. I get that some may make the argument that it does at least for some specific scenarios, but ultimately it puts the characters in a disingenuous position. Not to mention that it then creates many arguments based on head canon.

@@El_Eon_but without verse equalization verses battles are pointless. How can you put a bleach character against another character without verse equalization? Because it would not be possible to see or sense them unless you’re one of them or if they let you see them. Verse equalization is good in verse battles because it levels the field. All you literally have to equalize is their power system. E.g mana=chakra, cursed energy=chakra.

@@DiepreyeMoses you don't need verse equalization for any of those examples. Plenty of characters in other verses can see and interact with spirits and the soul like Naruto, DB, Yuyu Hakusho etc. You can also just have a stipulation that says character A can see and interact with the bleach character. It's not good for versus battle because it doesn't equal the playing field. I already mentioned it to the other guy. It gives one person a massive advantage and more than likely doesn't give any advantage to the other or even worse can put them at a disadvantage. It also makes a bunch of arguments that now have to be made out of head canon. Would Gojo's eyes inform him about how bleach characters Zanpakuto work even before Bankai is used? Because he can do that with CTs. Would Madara or Pain be capable of absorbing Haki attacks or Devil fruit attacks? Because Haki and DFs aren't the same and only one of those can equal chakra. Can Haki force you out of Genjutsu? There is no way to argue any of these without it being an argument based on headcanon. Starting to get my point Verse equalization does not work

@@El_Eon_Similarly, though, many power systems allow you to suppress another via possessing more of some energy than another (like basically killing people through virtue of having more reiatsu) than another. I think rather than being disingenuous, verse equalization is just another discussion entirely; at least that’s how I see it. Sure, you could talk through the nitty gritty of what would work and what wouldn’t when comparing two different power systems, but that in-of-itself is merely a form of attempting to integrate two different power systems together.

@@El_Eon_ I think in certain situations, Equalization can work, because otherwise it just makes the versus battle boring, in said situations. An example I like to use are logia DFs from One Piece. Because the user of the fruit is immune to almost all forms of damage, except in specific situations, like being wet for Crocodile, rubber for Enel, or something hotter than the flames produced by the Mera Mera no Mi for Ace/Sabo, as well as Haki in general. Verse Equalization makes the fruit user be able to be hit by characters that don't have a way to use the elemental weakness of the fruit, but have acces to something similar to Haki, which is most anime characters. Another example is Percy Jackson, compared to the JJK Verse. Percy Jackson's main weapon is his sword made out of Celestial Bronze. Weapons made of Celestial Bronze can only harm monsters, gods, and demigods, but don't do anything against normal humans. He still can harm normal humans in other ways, like using water manipulation, but without Equalization, he loses his main form of offense. Using Equalization, where Percy's sword can hit users of Cursed Energy, the matchup is a lot fairer. (That being said, Percy still loses, he has no answer to someone like Sukuna or Gojo)

Already got a couple of good ideas so be on the lookout. Thank you!

Yep 💪🏾

Kaido really be that late game fed Nasus with over 1000 stacks. The moment he gets you, you die or lose 80% of your health instantly. That's Kaido in league terms.

Ooga into booga is a true combo. Remember to turn on Caveman mode for extra damage.

Thank you thank you

Cutting the top of a mountain is also different from completely destroying a top of a mountain so I believe it's a fair comparison

Unseathing a sword is also different from spitting. Which in the manga was what Kaido did

@@rafaeldias3785it was MULTIPLE MOUNTAINS

@@Thenoble1jMountain Tops, Not even half of the mountains

A chakra sword cutting madara, is different than a regular sword cutting madara.

Thank you, I'll keep putting out videos with the same or even better level of quality. Still getting my bearings together

Thank you, and I'll keep putting out the same level of quality

It was straight up One piece biased

@@orpheemulemo8053 Just because Madara didn't win doesn't mean he was biased

@@scottiecurrie7927 We both know that kaido is getting shit smacked litterly he used off scaling for kaido and calcts for naruto characters Off scaling is basically saying a certain character is above a certain character so that should go in speed and strength Why was he biased at the end of the video he stats kaidos strongest attack is about small planetary level Why is this Bad because the sheer Chakra pool of the ni Tentails was almost as big as the entire planet of naruto and that wasn't even it at full power Than Madara gets it and adds the eight and ninetails to his collection what do you think will happen

@@orpheemulemo8053 He gave extensive reasoning from both Mangas where each character scales. Cope and seethe

Ty ty

this was pure shit he used vs battle wiki a joke of a site

Thank you so much, I'm trying my best 😭

He literally punched through it and exited the other side with Madara meaning he broke it with taijutsu

@@GG-mr6cq he didn't, Kakashi was the one who opened that whole guy never made contact with it, hack minato even told him not to touch those orbs.

​@@nobody5066 I think what the guy is saying is that once Guy was inside the TSO with Madara, Guy used Madara's body like a Senjutsu glove to break the TSO from within using his own strength.

That’s a mistranslation it said Space not Space time

@@Chillchildren999 I literally said that, go read again.

I tried my best😂🤙🏼

Vsbattles is very good in terms of calculations.

@@arslanabbasi888 For a general idea of how some of the site users views the character, sure but it's still safer to do your own information gathering and try to be as objective as possible without assumption. I just checked and a city level character is still scaled to universal due to a misconception. This could be biased due to the small sample size so I checked a few more random characters I thought of and most seemed fine. The issue is when you use a wrongly scaled page or one that's controversal. You end up mindlessly regurgitating false information or outlier feats that really shouldn't have happened and the character doesn't scale near to that end in the future or consistently. EDIT: Forgot to add that video game characters has been scaled incorrectly too since gameplay may not be accurate to the lore or in general media there is gag scenes or visuals/wordings used to hype up a move/character.

I appreciate that, If you can thank the person who sent you my video I would also appreciate that 😂

I'll try to be more consistent!

The other one is coming but I felt inspired to finish this one first😂

​@@El_Eon_ just finished the video , love the fact you didn't downplay either side besides genjutsu not working, which i agree with but i think even if genjutsu works haki is a 6th sense and can still souls/spirits without sight and can outright neg abilities Devilfruit powers are actual abilities which change dna etc. Also lastly nature based elements are stronger than charka based things for example kirin is actually lightning not charka based lightning so its superior and the same for standard fire and charka based fire like fireball jutsu for example I'm saying that to say kaido elemental control is more devastating than madara own based off of narutoverse lore on average and basically at both peaks. 10/10 video bro

@@halojeff15 yeah there's a whole argument that could be made that Kaido would also be immune to infinite tsukuyomi IF it's true that the cats and all other life forms also have chakra but I couldn't find any info on that in time. As for the way chakra and natural elements interact, it's interesting because they can even affect Otsutsuki characters like Jigen granted he was at the weakest point possible.

@@El_Eon_ true isshiki was weakened at the time but will you do a luffy vs naruto video one day? i feel like it's played out but i am interested in your take , also outside op and naruto would you do other verses? like jjk, aot or bleach? it would be dope if you did a big 3 video as well.

@@halojeff15 I may do Luffy vs Naruto after a sub goal! My reason being that It's been an internet debate for a while now and I'd also like to wait till Luffy gets some better feats since this is the third arc of One piece. Not so much because I'd rather luffy win, but because This is an end of series version of Naruto and Luffy is only at the start of the third arc. I do think they are somewhat close at this point. Ask for other verses. I do watch JJK and I have seen bleach though I'm not the biggest fan of bleach for a couple of reasons. I could make a video on that if people are interested but ultimately I don't know where exactly to get a lot of scans for bleach. The amount of nice things that I have to say about bleach more or less end at music and character design 😅. And if you go by the series itself, there isn't really a lot of concrete evidence that helps scale many attacks or feats without calcs. Like I really haven't been able to find a light speed in the series but I haven't done that much research anyway. As for JJK, I could do some versus battles on it, but it's also another case where I don't know where to get any scans. Dragon Ball is extremely high tier in terms of power levels. I'd have to compare it to something like sailor Moon or Saint seiya for any fight to be fair and I have never watched any of those. As for AOT, I'm not entirely done with the series, but I'm not the biggest fan of it. I only started liking the show after episode 64 or 65

it came from verse battle wiki a shit site

thanks for the info, why is it shitty though?@@eddieboston6540

SAME

and half of commenter ignore it

Yeah vs battle wiki are really annoying by changing multiple time the scale of Naruto characters every years. Like it doesn't even make sense they make Kaguya 4-C Large Star but Momoshiki is moon level, and baryon mode naruto, Code NL, Daemon and Isshiki are small planet level bruh '-'

calcs improve, results change. it's how it goes.

I was considering doing Big Mom vs the leaf, will most likely start work on the research and script

@@El_Eon_Thats good news.

no the madara downplay was sad

@@eddieboston6540 you think it’s down play because you choose to be ignorant of op feats

@@eddieboston6540 and even when it came down to it Madaras most powerful form can literally go either way to either kaido or madara… if you actually watched the video everything was explained in a very digestible way very unbiased

@@brianharris5077he claimed that Madara couldn’t hurt kaido because of some dc feats when we know Madara can scale to the tailed beasts that can destroy continents.

@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou so you clearly didn’t watch the video with the intent to listen you just want to disagree.. you can’t say a feat is wrong if you don’t know anything abt the other show.

(Also just because your TOP speed is calculated at lightspeed doesn't mean you are always moving at lightspeed, so by your argument of them trying to enjoy the fight they probably wouldn't be at lightspeed dodging attacks)

@@tristangettingtickled49 I made a whole video on why characters can move at Lightspeed. The tldr images that they can because the author said so. No matter how one chooses to argue if the author keeps making light speed Feats and statements then they're light speed.

I agree, it’s extremely close when you get to six paths madara and honestly the answer really can vary

​@El_Eon_ no it cant lol madara shitstomps

​@@thatdude659care to make an actual argument. Cause we can do the same then. Kaido shitstomps no diff while handstanding

Thank you! Means a lot

I appreciate it😂 thank you

Your comment is quite fair, all things considered. Say that the Madara being a star level threat is something I can't agree with for a couple of reasons. The only star level feats in the entire Naruto series is Kaguya's ever expansive truth seeking orb. Madara does not scale to that because he's weaker than her. He never displayed an attack That's even remotely that destructive. He also hasn't tanked anything, even remotely close to a star level attack and Naruto and Sasuke who I believe are actually stronger than him based on their performance against them before he was betrayed couldn't have tanked that truth seeking orbit. As for the Itachi statement, I'm not sure what jutsu you're referring to unless it's tsukuyomi which requires direct eye contact and isn't so much a light speed attack more so it distorts the target sense of time.

@@El_Eon_ the star scaling I gave him was something I made up on the moment because tbh idk where he scales at😅, it was simply to explain how I feel about the people that talk about this debate, as for the itachi move it was some sort of water bullet jutsu that in the databooks is stated to be light speed, or at least this is what I heard from other people who made naruto scaling videos. I think the water bullet light speed feat could be a good one because haku was stated to be able to move at light speed but the arc after with the sound ninjas kinda proves that, at least against naruto and sasuke he didnt. Thats why I like to connect the "he possibly can move at light speed" from haku with the itachi jutsu statement, because haku was able to move fast enought to step in front of kakashi's chidori (wich gives the user more speed if im not mistaken) and kakashi later was able to react to a possible light speed jutsu. Kakashi was kinda rusty during the land of waves arc and thats why I feel like haku did go light speed to block kakashi's chidori and thats why the databook says he could but naruto and sasuke are obviously not light speed at that moment but kakashi could've. So kakashi noticed he was rusty (especially after his encounter with kabuto) and I believe by the point he encountered itachi He would have most likely reached that light speed required to dodge the jutsu. Its kinda tricky how I view it but most people just straight up ignore theese statements calling them hyperbolys or take them too seriously, since I dont think either of theese is fun I tried connecting what I could and I ended up with this... Oh also one other thing, how do you feel about the kurama statement "he could burn the world to ash" because idk how to judge that one.

@@PinoHolly04 well so here's the thing right, Itachi's water bullets have never been stated to be light speed and I don't think there's any data book entry that even remotely hints at the fact that they are. Haku's ice mirror Jutsu specifically allows him to move from a mirror to mirror at the speed of light. And to be fair, that is the only light speed statement in all of part 1. As for Kakashi, I don't think he was rusty and I'm not sure as to what may have hinted at that. As for the kurama being capable of turning the world to ash, i am 90% sure that refers to the full nine tails. And even then there's a massive misconception that people seem to have where being a certain tier of power automatically means that you have the capacity to destroy something instantly. Being a planet, buster does not mean that you can one shot a planet. It means that you have the capability to destroy a planet over a period of time. The Kurama statement can be considered true because it was stated in a data book, however, considering he hasn't shown any feats that even remotely hint at this means that he can destroy the world or at least the surface of the planet by blasting it constantly with tailed beast bombs as he travels across the planet. It's all a matter of interpretation at the end of the day. That would still make him planetary, but more or less surface level, unless you believe that his tailed beast bombs could throughout a time frame Carve way at the world itself, but I don't think he can just do that by volleying in one consecutive wave of blasts.

@@El_Eon_ fair enought, as for the water bullet statement I saw it from other youtube videos and if you google "naruto water bullet light speed statement" you should see it too, but it could be a misstranslation and at that point what I said is basically useless. As for what hinted about kakashi being rusty we know that in his anbu days he was able to constantly use the sharingan even without covering it(like for example in the war arc) but when we see him in the land of waves arc, after the fight against zabuza he basically faints because he overused the sharingan for this reason a lot of people that made videos about this (and me) think that kakashi was actually stronger as an anbu menber than he was back in part 1, after he realized he was rusty he started training again because he thought he needed to in order to "save" sasuke and thats why he is stronger in shippuden and can use the mangekio.

@@PinoHolly04 are you sure you aren't confusing it with the jutsu used against naruto during the war arc? that one has a data book entry of being lightspeed...

Thank you, means a lot. I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible

@@El_Eon_ Bro please be careful with clip, because you know it will put the channel in danger. Thanks brother. Keep this best work, show how to be best. 👍🙌

@@samar9614 what clip

@@El_Eon_ no bro I just said about the anime clips, like Some times Toei animation will give copyright issues like that. So please be careful with that.

Ngl that doesn't sound bad but I'd need at least more info on WB or Roger since he was a rival. Old man WB more than likely gets stomped😂

Watch the vid. It has nothing to do with what you just said.

@@Ahhhhh638 What I said wasn’t meant to be directly related to the video but ok.

@@sosa8549 if you didn't mean it as a question about the video and didn't watch the video then why are you commenting

@@Ahhhhh638 because I can… Why tf do you even care?

I see what you mean. But that depends on the context. If the attack calcs to do enough damage to blow up a star, then it is star level, regardless of the surface of area it targets ( a good example would be saint seiya characters, where their attacks are so controlled that they do no collateral damage). In the context of One Piece, explaining the size of the planet to non fans is important. Because a feat that would seam to be "city level" could actually be continent level and a non fan wouldn't know.

Idk what type of logic is that. If one eyed sm madara is providing a good fight that means any version above that should neg diff as the difference in power between the 2 forms is huge.

Thank you and yeah people will continue to perpetrate this notion that because one piece has been the weakest out of the big three, it will always be the weakest out of the big three, but a mid-series villain like kaido is already catching up to some of the top tiers of the verse. So I don't know. I'm not going to outright state that one piece characters are starting to become more powerful than Naruto characters but soon enough There may be some contention. As for Edo tensei, It's honestly unquantifiable. Maybe they come back at 8/10 of their strength idk, I've seen some other power scalers argue that the Edo tensei nerfs stronger characters more rather than weaker ones because the mid tier fighters Don't seem to be that much weaker than when they were alive.

idk man kaido is said to be the strongest so he aint by no means getting topped any time soon many of one peices high tiers sit around the same level also i dont know what the one peice characters are gonna do against people like kaguya who just has a instant win condition with the ETSO@@El_Eon_

@@joshuaanderson7027 I agree, that's why I can't say one piece characters are stronger or will be stronger only that they are catching up. Eternal true seeking orb is definitely a technique that probably every single one piece character can't handle

@@El_Eon_do think Imu from one piece is strong or weak

@@user-lk5lg2jn8x I think Imu has to be strong especially if he's the potential final villain

thats a fair question honestly

Hence why I wrote a paragraph stating that I'm not sure because normal animals shouldn't have chakra but some cats were affected by the I.T. In some sources like Naruto wiki it's stated that "all life forms have chakra" which would then include the cats, therefore justifying the argument that Kaido wouldn't be affected by I.T. But I can't really use the wiki as a valid canon source and I didn't have enough time to double check the whole series

@@El_Eon_ Everyone got chakra from kaguya coming to earth, when she first arrived with and used infinite sukoyomi when none had chakra. She still had everyone induced in the genjutsu.

@@kaianimations675 That just means kaido would be affected by the infinite tsukuyomi

​@@El_Eon_it makes sense for rinnegan/sharingan genjutsu to work on people without chakra because they use it to conquer universes where people and animals dont have chakra systems. They probably have the physical and spiritual energies that make up chakra even if they dont have a "chakra system" given that ninshu can crrate chakra systems for people that dont have it. We know that genjutsu used by various dojutsu users works on animals that existed before kaguya came to the elemental nations that just used natural energy, like sage animals.

Itachi says “AmateratsuVictSaysWhat?” Kaido: “What” ‘Nuff said.

@@m.caeben2578 He says "too slow"

@@animeworld5847water style kaido drowns💀

@@g.x.a.t..6408when do you see madara use water style?

@@May9ine just because he never did it doesn’t mean that he can’t, he does have control of all chakra natures

He said no verse equalization in the video. Which actually helps the Naruto verse more since Haki can power nullify abilities place on their bodies. Even observation Haki could be argue to see pass illusion.

.... Manda has chakra

Yeah the genjutsu that comes from the sharingan isn't necessarily controlling person's chakra as other types of genjutsu in naruto that are made by a none uchiha cz the sharingan and its genjutsu take over the mind and not the chakra better say but long time genjustsu it's what effect the chakra that doesn't even exist in op

@@StudyFors4 Every genjutsu affects the brain or the body. But the way they achieve that is through perturbing the enemy's chakra or injecting their own chakra into their opponents. Either of those will be either ineffective or noticed by One Piece characters. The only thing they will not notice is Izanagi or Izanami (unless they have future sight)

No, it's Genjutsu ÷ Chakra - Haki.

I went by the moveset that's canonically shown, so I didn't add Limbo Susanoo. As for the tailed beast bomb sword barrage, I don't believe it'll land if Kaido chooses to dodge. It's coming from one direction and Kaido could dodge an omnidirectional attack that's Faster while drunk. As for the damage It lost in quantity and matched in force with the 1000 arms which also broke due to the force of their own punches. It's that attack that created the final valley but if the final valley is smaller than Onigashima which Luffy would've punched right through then Flame dragon Bagua one shots. As for Kaguya I don't think Kaido wins, I don't think she'll land the all killing ash bone cause of the speed difference but Kaido has no answer to Kill her or beat the ever expansive TSO

@@El_Eon_ yeah in terms of your Madara stuff, i agree. in terms of Kaguya, she can augment her speed in a couple ways. the speed of her attacks. one of the things she could do is transport the battlefield to the Ice Dimension around Kaido. he would be able to break out pretty quickly, but probably not instantly. this would buy her enough time to open up one of her portals from within the ice. and launch an Ash Bone at him directly. or she could transport to the gravity dimension and launch one that way. or she could transport to a random dimension, activate ETSO, reform herself from the ring of white... stuff. and then move herself to the original dimension the battle took place in. this would count as battlefield removal. which some people consider a win con in these battles. but even if you don't? the ETSO will kill him. none of this is out of character for her. although one thing to note about her character when she was revived in the War Arc was that her primary objective was returning all Chakra to herself. but since Kaido doesn't have Chakra, she might just ignore him. then again, we do have the controller shoved up her ass in the form of Kuroi Zetsu. so, there is that.

I can gladly do Shanks vs Akatsuki but I'd Def like to wait till we get more feats

If you don't put weird obito shanks slams

@@BigJC777 I was planning on giving them Madara too😭

Bruh. He underestimated the hell out of madara's speed and strength. There is no way in hell kaido is winning against 1 eyed sm madara. Let alone his 3 eyed version which solos the verse.

@@asadim622 buddy nothing implies madara speed being faster than characters that’s been dodging light pre time skip madara don’t solo shit u people are just over hyping madara’s as always he’s best feat in without 10 tails is multi mountain level while kaido is lefting a whole island while fighting blasting through that island and more speed blitz future sight luffy where base luffy is reacting to light

@@onemansplan6578 bruh 😭😭🙏

Ok so tell me how madara will possibly get to kaido's speee Because he won't

The Bajarang Gun was going to destroy Onigashima, that's why Momo had to get it out of the way. Comparing a bomb explosion to the clash of two attacks that don't have an area of effect beyond their designated target isn't exactly an equal comparison. Kaido went straight through the ground and kept traveling till he hit magma.

@@El_Eon_ and that is exactly what I'm trying to say. These are two attacks that are calculated to be small plant. The speed and strength of these attacks, upon collision should create a massive shockwave due to the release of the high pressure air. For a small planetary attack, these shockwaves should be really felt. I believe even the island should have shook. But there was nothing like that. From a scientific point, it doesn't make sense, except we don't scale those attacks to planetary. If shockwaves of merely offensive grenade could hurt, shouldn't shockwaves of small planetary attacks have significant impact?

@@kweku_tate07 The issue I'm having with this assessment is that you're inputting too much real world logic. You got to remember that this is a world where people can eat fruits that can turn them into elements and animals. If you apply enough scientific logic to it, they shouldn't be light speed, Luffy shouldn't be capable of applying the qualities of rubber onto solid objects around him, the samurai and leftover fighters should be burning up from the intense heat that kaido's flame dragon bagua generating considering the proximity. There's A lot of things that don't make sense if you're trying to apply real world scientific logic. It's fiction, You can argue, for example that the Indra's arrow and tailed beast rasenshuriken explosion should be way larger and more destructive considering the two people that threw them and the fact that the two people that threw them are stronger than the 10 tails but All they did was create a crater larger than the one Hashirama made. You'll have an easier time accepting a couple of things in fiction if you don't try to apply real science to everything. That being said, I only claimed that if you want to accept the calc as a planetary feat, then you can do so. It's not exactly something that needs to be accounted for. The only reason why we use calcs is to quantify how powerful these attacks would hypothetically be if real world math is used.

@@El_Eon_ I totally agree with you on this, we can't apply absolute scientific logic to fictional movies. But you see, in the context of vs battles, there are always going to be bias esp of different verses. An example is how some Naruto fans scale the god tree to planetary just because it absorbs chakra of all living beings on earth. At to a certain degree, they might be right. And in that situation, it makes Naruto's lava rasenshuriken a planetary attacks. But that is clearly bullocks imo. So to me, so far as we aren't using enough real life logic, some of these vs battles are actually meaningless which is why I've always not been a fan of scaling feats. But great video, much respect to your research and effort to stay neutral as much as possible

@@kweku_tate07 I Don't know if I completely agree with the idea that versus battles are inherently meaningless. To an extent, yes that is true. However, I think they are interesting thought experiments when done properly. Obviously there's always going to be a certain amount of bias regardless of a person, but even then if done in a "proper way" then an argument can be made for any two characters battling it out. My biggest problem with the versus battle community as a whole is just the explicit bias that some people seem to have when it comes to their favorite characters or stories. I don't understand how some people can look at some facts or information as it's presented and always make excuses just because they can't or don't want to see their character lose. It's not the end of the world and power scaling as a whole is an ever-changing meta. I for one and someone that believes that the one piece verse is catching up to the Naruto versus in terms of power, but whether or not Luffy can beat Naruto is not something that ultimately means anything. Whether or not the end of one piece ends up having characters that are more powerful than Naruto characters is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Both stories are fantastic for their own specific reasons.

I could!

@@El_Eon_ Where do you think he scales at, Also do you think your Kaido videos are repetitive slightly since Its mostly Kaido 😅, Its still good video. For me Luffy is multi continental with ftl+

​@@Chillersnowman his ap acales way higher than multi Continental..hw was aleeady continettal plus at dessarosa..he is atleast moon level and low planetary with bajarang gin according to vs battle wiki

@@emmanueladekunle3088 That's true as I did try to lowball Luffy, He should be in that Moon lvl to small planet category if he did a bajrang gun gatling.

Luffy should be well into planetary ranges and faster light plus or massively faster than light 🤷🏾‍♂️

Thank you!!! Took me like an hour

Ok, that made me laugh 😂

she doesn't ever use chakra scalpel in combat and even then it wouldn't be deep enough. Most adv CoA attacks Kaido was hit by were too Shallow and they provide internal destruction. Even if she was able to bypass his scales with the chakra scalpel consider he's 23 feet tall so she'd have to pierce even deeper than a normal person