Challenging other schools has simply changed, walking in and declaring them all too wimpy to accept your challenge will get the cops called on you and every gym you can be associated with sued. These days you have to swallow humble pie and play student for a while or find one of their open tournaments.
That's a load of BS as long as it's under their rules and you're not allowed to knock their blocks off with your fist kiss my ass and take several seats
@@psychedashell Gerard wasnt just a Karate guy. He was a mixed martial artist. He trained in judo, boxing, muay thai, sambo, wrestling, and savate. He had competed for years in open combat sports in Japan, before UFC 1. So a Kyokushin dude didn’t make second place, an mma dude did.
My Muay thai coach once told me an interesting story about Kyokishin fighters, the man who invented the style sent 3 of his fighters to face off against the thai's, 2 out of the 3 actually won (admittedly they were permitted to use elements of judo which helped them greatly in the clinch) point being Muay Thai practitioners should always hold respect for Kyokishin fighters for the punishment they can both dish out and as absorb.
It's actually pretty hard to compare when the fighters are different levels and even harder to find equal ones for a fight. Both on them where good, but muai Thai looked more powerful. Respect to all sports!
Muay Thai is superior to any Martial art. i use to train Kyokoshinkai for 6 years then i started to train Muay Thai. Karate is a "balletsport" today while Muay Thai is still very close to its origin...a real and functional martial art.
@@thatdumbass9856 ya, but muay thai is still more practical and raw to most of the martial art tho. It almost uses all parts of the body for techniques, punches, kicking, knee, grabbing and wrestling. It's not exaggerate to say it fits all fighting when comes to real combat.
The lack of punches and elbows to the head handicapped the Muay Thai fighter but ironically it also made it easier for him to get closer to the karateka and get that deadly clinch
Because it’s so forward yet upright and your head is down a bit under your fists with your eyes up. Not a ton of jumping around and moving, so you look like a straight predator. Definitely an aggressive look
@Sathan's right hand he front kicked the kyokushin guy to the ground several times, clinched him to the ground and kneed him in the clinch. What else should he do?
@@adamoleoni2272 and the KK guy kicked him in the head once clean, and a few times where he tried again and fell down BY HIMSELF you are counting that as the MT guy doing something ahahaha
@@GreenBeanGreenBean oh he kicked the muay thai fighter in the head and what was the effect? Did he knock out the fighter? Hits don't count if they can't really hurt.
The thai fighter was using an aggressive defense, baiting mid kicks out from the karate guy only to block/grab them and kick the legs out from his opponent. I just love how tactful and practical muay thai is. Training it is so fun.
Proper utilization of the side kick would have helped this Kyokushin fighter a lot. Didn't see him use it once. Instead, he implement the front push kick against a fighter who was better at using the front push kick and was unable to maintain spacing to time his head kicks because of it. The knee lift of front push kick and side kick can both be utilized to block roundhouse kicks, but a side kick can also hook the back of the knee against an opponent's front push kick and drive passed it if you aim the blade of the foot for the same side floater rib just above the hip of the opponent's kicking leg.
One of the great principle of the Kyokushin Style is to learn how to adapt and find a way on how to beat your opponent in his/her own comfort zone. Just like what the Great Master and Founder of this fighting style, has done during his time when he decide to challenge all martial art dojos in Japan that are well known during those days. A great respect and well done for the two MA warriors, who have shown there fighting skills 👏👏👊👊👍👍
One thing I still think it is lil bit exaggerated is that master Oyama actually won the fight between 4 different weapon masters holding not practice, but real katana and nagigata. The match was withnessed by newpaper reporters and students, they say, and the article was even published. Don't get me wrong. I am freakin proud as a person who trains kyokushin, but how is that possible?
@@TheACTIONZ What I meant is Kyokushin aren't allowed to punch in the face, but that wouldn't apply to a street fight. They would punch you in the face. And yes, generaly 1 good hit is enough.
My master said any form of Boxing is unusually powerful against Kyokushin. Personally, I would also add grapplers to the list since Kyokushin has 0 grappling.
This doesnt hold much when Kyukushin is muay thai and karate. You can easily see that Kyukushin is more muay thai than other karate styles. This emphasizes how greatly muay thai impacts have on Kyukushin
The Kyokushin guy had good stamina to take a beating like that and keep going, he got him with a good body punch near the end, but I think the Muay Thai guy had a longer reach and he was better on all fronts.
100% Agree - major props to the KK guy for taking all those knees! The Muay Thai guy wasn't really working a lot of combos with his punches, and his leg-kick game seemed kinda weak against a bladed stance opponent. His push kicks though were on fire. the KK guy barely got anything to land because the MT guy just worked his push kick anytime the KK guy even looked like he much throw a kick. Mad props on that front. Wish my Push kick was that reliable!
@@kuroshdaboi7603this muay thai guy is inexperienced too. If he is advanced in muay Thai, He can use only a kick to take the opponent down. The main weapon of muay thai is kick and elbow.
The thing is, you can train the same amount of time in both martial arts, but some of the MT's basics are pretty devastating from the get go. It would be interesting to know what sort of criteria was used to match these guys up for sure.
Exactly. This fight was easy for the Muay Thai fighter. Clearly he's a high grade fighter, while Kyokushin fighter is low grade. He was supposed to fight a Kyokushin black belt. I guarantee that the fight would be different
Muay Thai is one of the purest and the most practical form of martial arts in terms of moves and power. No unnecessary moves or jump Pure energy whether giving it or taking it from opponent in the match
@@anouardavid4515The way of the train changes all... karatê tends to loose because they lost much time with discipline things instead of sparring. But if you train karatê sparring, the style is strong as well.
I would give victory to the muay thai fighter mostly because of his better balance. But It is impressing how the yellow kyukinshunkai belt is good. If I am right yellow is just after white. That means that in this school you are already a killer when only blue belt. Don t mess with kyukunshin many MMA and K1 best stars ever come from it as of muay thai also. Both are among the greatest for striking.
Reading through the comments and lmfao.. Kyokushin keyboard experts: 'he knows nothing....this isn't true kyokushin...he wasn't fighting properly...' Muay Thai Keyboard experts: 'he doesn't know shit.... Couldn't work the clinch...he has no experience....' Really, y'all should give it a break. 90% of you can't operate outside the comfort of your dojo's and the remaining 10% would probably not do any better. It was a nice, entertaining fight. Respect to both Nice use of the clinch by the M.T fighter...👍
You know, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most people in the comments, probably DO have some sort of training in one or the other. Who the fuck else would be watching this shit but other fighters?
nice answer man real kyokushin has no mercy for thaibox ...is relentless...... kiokushin compare to thaiboxing is more like a dog fights a cat , i do Thai box as well as kyukoshin sometimes ,,,,,,man kyokushin is mad ,,,their body condition is so much better no gym in Thailand ask u to do hundreds of push up and squats ....but in kyokushin man i remember we were doing in like more than hundred time and there was no stupid person was even allowed to sound like tiredness.....all i can say kyokushin fighter can kill thaiboxer ....sorry to say that only good thaiboxxer are the one that either are from Thailand which mean from childhood used to do alot training so funny good stamina or from europe with boxxing skill ......man kyokushin tournaments are brutal .....like i so much agree with u ..... the thaiboxxer could be killed inn second in some gym in london or milan .........i do thaibox but i know if a kyokushin fighter start to go crazy over kicking there is no chance of survival..........and by the way thaiboxing in ufc is a jock no more is favored as base of stance position .......search kyomushin body conditioning is mad ,,,,,,
Maybe he was komite karate or...i don't know i trained so much in my life and had to study otherwise i could be famous in thaiboxx....what is you professionality uso.
crzyhorse88 hell yeah he did dude every round only semi impressive thing the gi guy did was the weak ass head kick and I've been head kicked by an amiture muay thai guy in sparring so i would like to say I known what a weak and strong head kick is
@@CyberFighter-hu7xo Muay thai came way before Kyukushin. The only martial art that influenced Muay thai was Boxing. Traditional Muay thai coulsnt box for sht.
Still facts😆 people go crazy blabbering like "my martial art is stronger than yours because le reasons" when literally every fighting style has weakness's that can be exploited and used to win the fight by the higher skilled fighter.
@@guatemalaninsanitypepper1322 Do you honestly believe Aikido has a chance against any decent boxer or Muay Thai practitioner? Bring any high level of Aikido practitioner against a decent boxer or a Muay Thai practitioner or BJJ practitioner. I'm telling you, 99% of the time, the Aikido practitioner will lose. There are superior styles out there compare to one another. The one I gave above was an example of that.
It reminds me of when you play mortal kombat for the first time it's like I really like this character but don't know how to use him properly yet good effort and true spirit from both
Yellow belt fought well, but he kept falling for the same muay thai moves over and over. Guess it could have been his first time fighting against muay thai too. But yeah he never was able to figure out a counter. Honestly I didn't see him use many axe kicks if any at all.. ((idk if they are allowed or not in this particular fight)).. they seem to work well against muay thai , but i'd assume that the muay thai guy was a better fighter and probs a bit smarter than the yellow belt in fighting overall.
Shoutout to both fighters, the muay thai guy is way better. But i hope kyokushin guy takes this as a lesson and becomes a beast. It's simply a difference in skill.
The karate guy fought extremely well despite all his disadvantages, but somebody should've taught him the absolute BASIC Thai plum escapes (especially the face hook.) This fight is pretty much just the MT guy spamming that one move (plum) that the karate guy had no solution for.
now that's a smart MT fighter, doesn't engage in the karate fighter's range to get swarmed by his combos and utilizes the teep to get him in his range and than dominates with the clinch to keep his opponent from using his striking. Very smart MT fighter, must have good experience against karate fighters or just plain smart.
I'm not Hater of Karate, because I used to practice it myself. But facts are facts man. If the Muay Thai Practitioner was allowed to use ALL of his tools? That fight would've ended a lot more quicker IMO.👊
Me parece que es particular la pelea y no se puede hacer un juicio referente a dos estilos tan duros con competidores no del mejor nivel técnico, el muchacho de thai tenía un mal boxeo y no maneja bien las distancias ,Andy Hug vs Le Banner ,Bonyaski vs Filo eso eran referentes en sus estilos .🥋
finally, a real match between to evenly matched students representing two different styles. from this fight, we can see the advantages of mui thai over karate. I especially see that the clinch and leg kicks were effective. I think that had they found a taller karate guy, this would have been a more interesting fight.
What they did there was an demonstration of each style however it's all about personal skill level not the actual art itself although the art plays a very big part in the persons personal skills. There is no such thing as an ultimate art all arts have their pros and cons and for someone to say otherwise is eighter ignorant or just promoting their own art. There is a lot of clips and I've seen this personally where Kyokushin beats many art and Muay Thai dominates many art also and that could be said about many other arts. So if you do a certain art it does not mean everyone who study that art is undefeatable lol you are mislead and very mistaken. Respect for the art you study and all other arts you don't that is true martial arts. OSU.
Ofc muay thai is 100x better. Karate is more of an art. Muay thai boran was meant to kill people. Even when muay thai has rules its still more useable in mma/street fighting
Yea this guy is also a yellow belt Haha bit harsh on him, he looked like he was barely putting his whole body into the kicks he was doing. Theres a lot of things wrong with his performance overall. But Kudos to him for stepping into the fight 👍
@@Lu1zh1 and so was Karate, and Taekwondo, and Savate and who knows what other styles. Almost every style of Martial Art was designed to kill people. it's only the modern ones that aren't. Muay Thai is too basic to be called 100x better. there are only 9 moves in Muay Thai and anything else is just a variation of those 9. thats very predictable. Muay Thai is great but its not 100x better than karate
most high level tournaments back when i was doing it were opened, meaning other schools could come. They still had to wear a gi though. We also had sparring in the weekends and often other schools would come and spar.
I respect both, but my question is..why is there NEVER any headshots with punches allowed in these type of kyokushin vs ??? Type of matches? Unfair advantage I would say.
Because kyokushin match rules don’t allow since it is bare knuckle fight most of the time. But every kyokushin practicioner should put on gloves and do full body sparring. In my dojo it’s the case but in a lot of them it isn’t.
Ridiculous rules. We used similar justifications to what you always hear from kyokushin people for stupid traditions in my school. It just teaches bad habits that get you hurt in a real fight.
@@Individual_Lives_Matter any real dojo should teach face punching. At my dojo we do face punching and grappling regardless of bring kyokushin dojo. People tend to forget karate has grappling that has been forgotten
I think the problem with kyokushin from a Muay Thai fighter perspective is the lack of different techniques like use of clinch and clinch take downs, knees, low kicks, and punches, the karate fighter was clearly completely thrown off everytime he entered clinch, still landed a massive kick, which is also a testimony to the Muay Thai fighters resilience, dude ate it like nothing, respect to both fighters.
When a Kyokushin dude finds out where his style Kyukushin got influences from. Kyukushin looks more muay thai than other karate styles which emphasizes how big muay thai impacts have on Kyukushin.
loopholes of kyokushin style: does not know how to clinch, not used to face punching, not utilizing the elbows and knees most of the time, does not know how to grapple and does not know how to defend from grapplers. the late sosai mas oyama should have incorporated the said techniques since he was also a judo black belter. still so much respect to kyokushin. osu
In the early days the fore mentioned techniques were allowed however people have work and lives outside of the martial arts, so the knockdown rules are implemented. however, many dojos still do all-round free sparring with gear on. My old dojo had this and we could use any technique we wanted as long as you didn't knock the other guy out. It just depends on what dojo you go to and cross training, but yes the knockdown rules are a double edged sword.
mastertroso he is a amateur. I worked hard for 7 years learning kyokushin and the way he is fighting is just disappointing. We do grapple on rare occasions but yes we do not utilize elbows. But that's because we are more focused on our deadly kicks and strikes.
There are face punching when gloved. Their knockdown rules are not the only way they spar. Clubs deep in to kyokushin tournaments tend not to do elbows and grappling. But I've also trained with a kyokushin guy in the early 90s (who is the source of what i think i know of kyokushin) who could defend take downs and grapple standing up in our judo and jj sessions. Ok, zero groundwork. His sweeps and shin to shin trips/kicks were no joke on the grapple. He knew hip throws, osoto gari/gake, de ashi barai and a type of hiza guruma which was what I would describe as a shin kick under the knee together with a shoulder tug. Brutal. He learnt these in his karate club and sparred enough with it to be able to use it. I can't imagine all kyokushin losing his type of techniques and training. I have to assume that different clubs focus on different aspects.
English translation: It's a bit more unfair in the thai fighter's side because he's restricted to punch his opponent in the face or atleast use his elbow.
Idk much about kyokushin because i dont specialize in it, therefore i cant judge the fighter for his techniques but the muay thai guy... very amateur. You could clearly see how inexperienced he is. Always foreshadowing his movements and with bad footwork, adding his poorly adjusted kicks... not good.
What these are really about is this person vs this person. For not everybody who practices the style that won can beat everyone who practices the style that lost.
El luchador de Muay thai supo usar bien sus piernas, al parecer tenia piernas mas largas que el de kyokushin. Por otro lado el de kyokushin arranco bien , parecia que iba a estar mas igualada la pelea pero se quedo un poco por la buena pelea que hizo su contrincante. Veo que le falto tambien girar mas la cadera en sus patadas circulares y a veces iban un poco bajas, pero tambien asento un par de buenos golpes.
Karate doesn't answer many situations. What do you do when he grabs your head with both hands? Put bent hand between his legs lift him off the ground sitting on his groin, and throw to the ground head first or his back first. Only this is already not karate...
I C you're right Muay Thai clinch = get ready to eat knees and elbows. Most of the time you would be closing your eyes or feeling extreme pain how would u even have time to counter under the circumstances.
transgirltalks Wow, karate has throwing techniques! Karateka can throw, and can escape grabs, that is true. But I never have seen any of what I would call Judo techniques in karate training. How could I miss them!? In my opinion, karate and judo are together covering most of the things one would need in hand combat, but each of them on its own is missing important thing the other one has.
For a yellow belt he's done alright. Cut him some slack guys. the MT fighter has some good moves too but I'd back a brown or black belt Kyokushin fighter over most MT fighters anytime
Well, actually, if both guys were on the same skill level this fight would have looked a lot different. Kyokushin in general is a lot tankier then muay thai or even other branches of karate and if you compare power levels between the two then I would say that kyokushin is more on the explosive side and muay thai is more on the speedy side.
Good fight. Generally speaking, always practice different styles. For the ordinary practitioner it's more important to know the shortcomings of what you practice. MMA has proven that, because unlike the many (if you put them up against an MMA fighter) comments, most MMA fighters started somewhere, and they mixed.. kyokushin, thai boxing are certainly two styles for a proper foundation
waste of 7mins ... both ammature fighters . pathetic footwork. not moving 45degrees . weak kicking techniques . as a kyokushin fighter he should atleast perfect he's mawashi. he's bouncing around like a semi contact fighter not standing his ground like a knockdown fighter . no combinations . he's thinking what to do next. however at a yellow belt level I'd give the kid some grace. he's got a lot to learn.
Looks like a yellow belt. Seemed to do fairly well considering the amount of training he probably had. The muay thai fighter does not look like they have been in long either. Overall they both looked decent for the amount of experience
Karate doesn’t kick or punch, what you see is called tapping with foot and hand 😁 but Muay Thai doesn’t only kick your body but they kick your soul too 🤙
