Silat is an umbrella term for countless very, very old techniques of Indonesian armed and unarmed combat for guerilla warfare that have only recently become more formally taught as martial arts. Karate is a term associated with several distinct styles of common roots but very different approaches to combat. Both Silat and Karate, in their purest forms, have emphasis on striking enemy vitals to end a fight quickly, which obviously doesn't translate well into sparring, competition or more passive self defense. Don't judge Karate or Silat based on a single video. They're both magnificent, in their own right
The Silat guy is pretty good at sweeps and even when he misses- still maintains his balance/coordination-- which is quite impressive. The Karate guy is good at on ground fighting- his attacks are pretty solid and is not deterred by the various sweeps
@@lockinvfx ROFL I was thinking that too. Like IRL in real combat you go for a sweep I just stab you on the way down, not playing "tournament" on the streets pfft! Also, WTF is up with those "Día de los Muertos" lookin masks they all got on anyhow? (see 4:58 for example in the background) -> i.imgur.com/gdYPWMM.png
@@tiborzkarate1 what did you expect lol most of the silat moves is banned vital organ are the main target, i believe it's also in karate but karate is still have solid moves without it
I scrolled down through a number of the comments and I find it interesting that no one bothered to mention that the Silat fighter is wearing a rather substantial chest protector, whereas the Karate Fighter seems to simply be wearing his Gi. This gives the Silat Fighter quite an advantage because they don't seem to be doing any head contact so the once substantial part of his body that is a legal target is protected from the full power of his opponent's blows. I would like to see how would hold ups if he had to take them full force. I'm guessing not too well. Aside from the good sweeps ( which I would expect from a Silat Practioner ) I didn't see much in the way of striking power.
Pretty cool contrast of styles. The first two scissor kicks and sweeps from the Silat guy worked nicely. It seemed like there was sort of rules conversation, but it looked like he was still attempting them in the later half of the fight and the karateka was starting to catch on how to counter it after getting taken down twice. He's no longer standing as side on after a certain point, reducing the effectiveness of the sweep attempts--the later attempts get stuffed. Furthermore, he takes advantage of the Silat guy's need to be side on to be in position to launch his best moves to throw a leg kick. Credit goes out to both of them.
The problem i see with the Silat style is it would hurt like hell to do this on the street to someone. On a padded floor it is great, but on concrete? Ouch. Also, he keeps falling to the ground and on the street he would be in trouble.
@@robdog7516 As an Indonesian I notice not all the silat guys do this continually. It's not good of course. All the experts in my country rarely do this thing
@@robdog7516 as a Malaysian silat practitioner, the moves used in tournaments aren't the actual moves you'd pull off in a street fight. Silat not only focuses on striking, but also locks/grappling. If they were to be used in a tournament, it'll be very dangerous because the locks normally end with either completely crippling or killing your opponent. Thats y for tournaments we're not allowed to use such techniques.
@@robdog7516 It wasn’t, as I’m sure you’re aware, developed on concrete floors. Crouching and fighting lying down are perfectly sensible when fighting in slippery mud (for example). Often self defense does not translate well to a match on the mat. The reverse is, of course, also true.
@@ramonepedgio5964 The "oh it's not the style, it's the fighter". Was a BS quote started by the fake masters to fool the students. When they questioned the ineffectiveness of the techniques. Thanks for spreading this BS.
bangga pencak silat dipelajari diluar.. bukan cma muangtai aja.:) pencah silat dr indonesia ,malaysia jga ada pencak silat. krna kita dulu satu kerajaan majapahit n' satu ras melayu.
since childhood I've learned "Pencak Silat" in college "TTKDH Tarumbu", after a teenager I studied "Karate". regarding where the best of them, depending on the athlete, but as an Indonesian .... I am very proud of the "Pencak Silat ".
It's absolutely incredible to see how much martial arts has evolved in the past few decades! I see this, and remember what what it was like to use computers back then. The evolution of the, "technologies" really is no less profound. It's just that computers are so much more ubiquitous. MMA and the internet, for better or worse, really created a perspective that changed everything
i've been doing pencak silat for around 9 years now, if fought a lot of championships, and if you go and look up some clips of pencak silat fights, you wil see that we don't always "polish the floor" ;)
@@s1iznc1d34 silat is a technique used by Indonesians in guerrilla warfare, so silat is intended to directly kill the enemy. In silat only required to do 2 attacks, the first attack to bring down the enemy and the second attack to kill him.
@@s1iznc1d34 there is many way to bring down the enemy in silat not just scissor sweep, and scissor sweep it's not efficient to bring down and kill the enemy. and in this video what's wrong is the practicioner not the silat and i think @Die EZ is just explain what silat is, not to defend the silat dude in this video *CMIIW*
I'm Indonesian so I understand the Philosophy of Pencak Silat, most Indonesian are a little short, during the occupation of Holland Netherland in Indonesia, the Indonesian freedom fighter must survive when he/she engage in combat with the European man from Holland Netherland. Pencak Silat was created by Indonesian in order to fight for freedom. It is normal in many Pencak Silat style, to do drop kick, to do low kick at the same time to go to the ground to avoid punching from the enemy. After the enemy falling down, the Pencak Silat fighter do counter attack by kicking the opponent's head from the ground until the enemy pass out or until the enemy die. You can see clearly that the Karateka didn't know what to do in the beginning in this video. The Pencak Silat athletic must avoid strong punch from the opponent, so he must drop himself to the ground without doing ground fighting, at the same time kick the opponent until he pass out, if the opponent should fall down.
The pencak silat is well known for centuries that emphasizes on deathly blows whereas most other martial art objectives are to disable opponents not necessarily meant to kill them. There is a big difference.
No bro you may get it wrong. Silat is not meant to kill someone or land a deadly blow but rather an attack that can ended the fight quickly. Silat never meant to be a killing martial art technique
I just know that, It is originated from Indonesia. Old people in Cambodia known is as Panh Chak Seila and some people still practice it, nice art of fight
@@amirseth8108 awak tak sadar dulu kerajaan melayu-riau yg utama di nusantara.. raja kami menyerahkan seluruh tahta dan harta demi kemerdekaan indonesia.. Lucu tengok konflik nge claim malaysia-jawa. Same" salah, dan kami melayu riau yg punya hak khusus keterlibatan adat yg diperebutkan diam" aja. Orang Sumatra ambil popcorn je
@@amirseth8108 gw dh tau silat tidak berperangaruh sekali dalam petarungan jalanan.. ilmu karambit silat itu perlu ketika lagi beperang close combat ketika senjata tak ada peluru lagi itu aja. Jgn nak overproud sangat Gw update mma , bellator, ufc, one championship dan liga russia.
@@fadlisuryanto8617 masalah jiwa kau ni..mmg aku melayu kena proud dgn milik bangsa aku..apa kau bangsa apa...bangsa indonesia...indonesia baru je wujud...silat melayu wujud beribu tahun...asal indonesia pun melayu...nusantara milik melayu...jangan bodo sangat
I was born in Singapore, now live in London England since 10 years old. Watched and learnt a bit of Silat in Malaysia as a youth. Silent is famous for its low crouching then sudden flying kicks. The Silat fighter here is still a novice. The Karate guy could down him with straight punches. He just got lucky. raisedbybears 1991, is quite right in his sum up.
Pencak Silat comes with in many forms and indeed all these kicks can be part of a Pencak Aliran and also parts of Kuntao. I think 'the Raid' (movie) does show real good perspective of what Pencak Silat can be. There by every-one puts always a kind of his own style into it.
I learned silat when I was in elementary school. Until now I still remember the basic techniques, stances, and several moves. I think many ordinary people don't know about silat, you may only see the outside, but when the inner strength is put into play, I doubt the opponent will survive.
@@yogaeffendieffendi1739 beladiri itu banyak broo ada karate, muay thai, boxing, pencak silat dll, sedangkan SILAT itu asli indonesia broo mengadopsi kesenian tarian yang di kombinasi dengan gerak bela diri. Kita patut bangga
looks and sounds like an old dutch video, makes sense to see Pencak Silat back then-nice to see it shown in hollywood films nowadays. I always thought when I see karate it's too stiff, but I respect the skill and discipline
How I hate these "1 martial art" (pick any) vs another martial art (pick any). It's not Pencak Silat VS Karate. It's a guy who's been training Pencak Silat vs another guy who's been training karate for a while, fighting in a controled enviroment with rules. No martial art is THE martial art. Every has it's great and less great tehniques. And telling that none of this are used by MMA - well, yes they are. If you didn't know, MMA isn't a martial art. It's a combination of many martial arts. And a good MMA fighter knows most usefull tehniques from almost all martial arts, including karate, aikido, jiujitsu, muai thai, kung fu, boxing and wrestling. However, you can't say which is the best, only according to MMA. Most martial arts have tehniques with which you can kill a guy (gouging eyes, tearing balls, breaking leg, neck and arms, open palm neck hits and so on) which are forbidden in MMA, but very usefull in self defence. So MMA doesn't prove a thing which is the best martial art. MMa is a sport. Selfe defence is protecting oneself from being killed. There's a huuge difference.
+Matej Bukovec If there wasn't rule the karate kid will be dead pencak silat is a military martial art and most of it's techniques (like the jules) are deadly.
+Sousuke Aizen Lol and what is Karate? A dance? You people watch RU-vid videos and usually point style events and build wrong opinions. Oyama wasn't KOing the shit out of his opponents by singing bed time stories to them. Killing a bull with single hit I guess is a black magic then? All martial arts were used for defense and combat, not for show. The body strenghtening part of Kyokushin or Okinawa styles makes a difference in a fight too. So please drop this crap. What matters is the fighter with his skills, endurance and creativity /tactics and not the martial art he is doing.
Ivo Radev Karate is a sport combat and originated as such, while it's good in the ring with rule and a restricted place (exept againt taekwando their reach make them hard to hit) In a real life battle Karate just don't have that many decisive techniques hell even the stance won't do good, they only have one stance that is acceptable to go against someone who'll kill you and that is Meotode (although few actually use it and most of the usefull move are few in number and illegal). Now let's compare it to pencak silat, it rely on accuracy and decisiveness, you litrally attack the eye the back head the groin the armpits (their is a weak point there) and the joint, also it's used mainly with weapon like the kriss and karambit. I'm sorry but in a real battle the style that going for the kill always win when equally skilled people clash. BTW i'm not some spectator to this i practice many martial art and thus i have a first hand experience on this (even though i'm a newbie)
Sousuke Aizen So, there is the main problem in your statement. Karate is not a combat sport. No idea where you got this. While the very origins of Karate are unknown (disputed that it originated in China 15 centuries ago), let's agree to accept the origin of what is called Karate to be Okinawa. Karate was a system of self defense, not a combat sport. Due to the ban of weapons, people had the opportunity to develop a bare hand defense system. Even the children Katas (so to say) like Pinan Yondan (break opponent's elbow) or Pinan Shodan (dislocate opponent's shoulder) do a damage in a pretty brutal way. As said, point style tournaments give a very wrong picture of what Karate is, or is supposed to be. Nothing wrong with people doing it as sports, it just is only a small part what it is. I did not state, pencak silat ain't lethal. It surely is. But the outcome of a confrontation depends on the skills of the fighters and not the martial type itself. If Karate is trained as whole technique-body strengthening-mentality combination (at least that way we trained back in the 80's/90's, exactly like in Okinawa, though for sure not on their level I would say) then you have a fulfilled Karate training I would say.
I would suggest that the Silat fighter is very influenced by kickboxing in the way he moves ,in his guard...especially around the end when he starts to bounce with a traditional boxing guard. The Silat I've been taught was very little, just a few techniques but none so flashy as a air scissor takedown or all the leg hits. A lot of the competitive motions I was taught were closer to wrestling and grappling (compact movements ). My favorite is the stiff arm throw that I even show kids because it's so much fun to do where you basically put your hand behind someone's neck and the other hand on their wrist and kind of twist them around into a cute little circle. Double knee to the Head after somebody is down by simply twisting your knee like a disco move was kind of fun too.
aku bukan keturunan indonesia.. atau malaysia aku keturunan minang melayu jadi silat bukan asal indonesai atau malaysia.. jgn suka2 claim silat dari malaysia atau indonesia... kalau tak tahu apa2 jangan komen bodoh!
The problem with many fighters today is that they are so used to fighting in their own style of tournament that they become so bounded by their tournament rules which becomes a self inflicted limitation. Once the rule changes, they kind of get unused to the situation and get a little lost. It's not the style is having limitation but just the fighter them self having problems
Well it has been sometime since I seen any footage of that era. I was also trained by Govert Butteling in Pencak Silat Pecutan, Cobra. He has even been My neighbor for 4 years , back when he was alive , as he had a school in Uden en 's Hertogenbosch. Was fun training with Him...even though you came home bruised from many a lesson...lol.. he wasn't the easiest teacher.... Pencak Silat was / is not for tournaments....it is a mean martial arts for defending and brutal attacking when needed...
Mohon maaf, sedikit komentar, yg dipake untuk menyerang sipesilat ini justru, gerakan untuk bertahan istilahnya Depok, semestinya tdk baik kaki dan pukulan hilang kontrol seperti itu, akan semakin memudahkan musuh mengenai sasaran tubuh kita, Kalau tdk terlalu memakai kaki yg lose kontrol, pakainya tekhnik seser tikel, besotan, tempelan justru akan lebih baik lagi, insya Alloh akan semakin kewalahan musuh, akan sangat mudah menumbangkan titik lawan, berhubung lawanya karate yg nota Bene mainya lepas, panjang, opensive, Tapi tekhnik itu kembali ke sipemakainya 😊
The Silat guyWas very effective initially by Downing the karate fighter with the two sweeps. But I must give kudos to the Karate fighter for adapting quickly to his strategy. Does the Silat fighter fell into the trap of“ falling in love“ with his own technique. Since he scored successfully with this week in the initial part of the match he felt that he could always score with it which was not the case. He ended up telegraphing his move missing his opportunity he was jammed severalTimes by His opponent and ended up on his back the Karate fighter backing away not taking the bait to come near him
as a pesilat (pencak silat fighter) he should bring the silat spirit and philosophy, he should not allow himself wearing body protector when his oponent didnt wear a protector and i think he just an amateur who didnt know the philosophy thats all i can tell as Indonesian Pesilat
Nice scissor kick. I studied Indonesian Kung Fu from age 12 then started Shotokan at age 25. Shotokan fighters had no chance. They were just to static to the flow of Kung fu. But Shotokan has very strong structure and power. Add the two together. And you have a fast flowing powerful self defense style.
Nusantara just indonesia, open your book under title history of nusantara, malaysia juga termasuk nusantara.....tetapi hanya sebagian kecil yang ada di pulau kalimantan, pusat nusantara adalah indonesia, seperti sebuah pizza......satu bagiannya dipotong (nusantara malaysia yang ada di daratan kalimantan) end......sisa pizza yang masih banyak itu adalah indonesia (nusantara pusat), jadi siapakah bangsa nusantara itu??? Indonesia......sebagian tanah malaysia yang ada dikalimantan baru bisa dibilang nusantara, but seperti kuala lumpur itu bukan bagian dari nusantara lagi. Jadi tidak ada alasan budaya yang dimiliki bangsa indonesia bisa di klaim oleh bangsa lain dengan mengatas namakan sesama nusantara.....karena the real nusantara is indonesia
you should comparing silat against ninjutsu. for hundred years silat use for real fight in indonesia and malaysia. and thousand maybe million people were killed by that
Pencak silat has flowing combo attack from my point of view, because i learned it back in highschool. Karate also cool , like intense strength training that could make body hard like rock and pain endurance
prehaps u dont know karate ... in karate from the begining u learn basic ground fight and up fight, well at least in my country i learn in skif and kaisendo
wtf? if the other guy misses his leg grabby take down he gets a reset? he gets a free reset when he fails and puts himself at a disadvantage? wuuuuuuuut
Karena perbedaan gaya bertarung dari masing-masing ilmu bela diri, jadi peraturan jatuhan pencak silat harus dilanjutkan dengan serangan lain hingga masuk poin HIT Indahnya bela diri... Setelah didalam ring masih saling hormat
The first half of this bout displays an amount of conversation that I found frustrating, but the 2nd half highlighted the respective arts of these two practitioners well. Both look skilled in their arts and confident, and neither fall back on just slugging, straight kicks, and tackling as some martial artists often do, despite their training. The Silat fighter was a little too willing to fall to the ground for defense IMHO, but it couild be there's an advantage in that which I'm not seeing.
I don't understand all of the posturing after being broken up. But, over all, the fight itself was cool to see. The karate blackbelt was a little shaken at first, but I can see why after recieving a kick and being tripped almost all at the same time.
is it normal in silat to fight with ur back to ur opponent? a lot of his wild swings left him vulnerable on the floor too. i feel he's overly flashy but he's definitely quicker than the karate fighter. very interesting to watch, thanks for the upload.
wtf.. if you want to compare two martial arts, sport fight can't. let them street fight but don't forget Kyokushin Karate. Anyway respect both martial art.
Its not no contact point fighting as a lot of people have been saying in the comments. Its a semi contact fight. If you ever done both as I have you know its a big difference.
First you guys need to understand that there are two lines of Silat : the official IPSI which is relatively modern creation oriented towards sport and the "other" line, a proper Silat . That one is a proper combative martial art second to none. Many modern combatives have absorbed the principles of Silat as they are truly effective. If you see sparring like this that has nothing to do with Silat. As a matter of fact has nothing to do with the real Karate eather, ask yourselves why the "fighters" start jumping around when sparring when not even one kata teaches that principle.
I do not know what you consider as "real" karate," but Kyokushiin (as seen here) has at least two katas with jumping techniques. Pina Sono San, and Pinan Sono Go.
Beberapa Karateka & pesilat sudah mencoba menggabungkan teknik beladiri tsb semakin kita banyak belajar beladiri justru semakin ingin belajar beladiri yang. Lain dan semakin bisa menahan diri
@@GodzillathekingKongbane a real fight does not look like this at all. These two guys are just trying to prove their style, but today we know that doesn't work. This looks more like s dragon ball fight
As I learned pencak silat and little on Tae Kwon do, silat rich in artistic moves. Anyhow it is very subjective because depends on the left capability not the matter of it is silat or other martial arts
wew, malaysia claimed silat from malaysia. shy boy silat in Indonesia many streams, more than 100 streams that fall into the category of IPSI (bond fighters throughout Indonesia) does not include the existing martial arts in rural areas .. silat already in Indonesia since thousands of years ago
Agree with you. The main purpose for silat is to defend yourself and remain humble act without exposing yourself as a man who knows silat. In the other words not showing off until you have too. Malays in Nusantara of Indonesia and Malaysia know best about silat for untold stories that others do not know.
The karate guy managed to defend himself very well against that on-the-ground attack after seeing it only twice.. had he seen that before in his life i bet he would't have lost like that. But both did great.. i wonder if they teach this Pencak Silat only in Indonesia
I understand what you mean brother p6867. I also have a basic of karate. however when I follow silat, I understand that the arts have a unique movement. in defense and attack at the same time is able to do and when to avoid the opponent's attack, the movement is very unique and hard to read by opponents. I came from tapak suci and from there I learned a lot about silat. but if we talk about kung fu..i think that's ultimate martial arts.
Couldn't agree more! Most wrestling styles are bad enough in a real-life situation, because as you're wrestling with one guy, his friends are kicking you in the head! But this is worse! He goes to the ground EVERY TIME! What a dumb ass!!!!!
Aaron Huisenfeldt Yea that's a pretty stupid move since he does it every time. Although silat does have many grappling moves, it usually used to make the enemy down, not yourself...
Aaron Huisenfeldt in this case, u MAYBE right, but if you u type Anderson Silva caught flying scissor heel hook in youtube, you will see that the BEST STANDUP BEAST get beat by nearly the same move, the silat dude does the first time, if he would´ve done the scissor heel hook, the karate dude would have one leg less in a real fight or whatch the gracie jui jitsu stuff on youtube.... untill the early 90´s where nobody on the world could touch any of them, its really uneducated and dumb to say that ground work sux..... if u want to fight with a group of fighters, take an ak47..... its just nonesense
The vast majority of multi-person real world fights do not involve guns, but yes, the gun would simplify the fight. Armies rarely, if ever, use ground fighting in their hand-to-hand combat training for the aforementioned reasons
