Not a Karen. She's a malignant narcissist. My sister is one and has been emotionally abusive and manipulative her whole life toward me and anyone who threatens her story. The final straw was accusing him of being a narcissist. It's a classic move. He might be a simp, but she's the narcissist.
My brother is malignant narcissist. We’ve experienced the same with him.. he’s toxic, abusive, accuses everyone else of being narcissistic. He’s also a drug addict alcoholic.. he just turned 38 and has managed to burn every family member relationship he had, with the exception of 1. That family member hasn’t spent enough time with him to so how awful he really is!
I was about to write this, almost word for word!!! My comfort lies in the fact it's obvious to everyone and the rest of us are able to support and love each other. I only have contact with mine when there is no other option. Wishing you and yours the ability to be who you are despite him!
He said so many nice things about her. He gave her credit for taking care of the school. Offered her 50/50. Admitted he said disparaging things about the mother. He came across as honest, reasonable, and stable. That really took the credibility out of her accusations that he's awful.
Her comment after asked if she stayed there for 2 nights, so she must not have been that fearful of him....'Who else do I have to take care of me!" She's an adult. She should, by this time in life, know how to take care of herself. I'm a 60 year old woman, moved out of the family home 3 months after I graduated high school, and for the most part, I've lived alone since then. And even when I was living with a guy, he never 'took care of me' We both had jobs, shared in house and lawn duties, and split equally the rent, power, phone bill...etc. He made a lot more money than me, but his money was his and mine was mine and no matter what, we each would have had to have a roof over our head, groceries in the fridge. WE got a home where I could afford my share of the rent, and he in turn, lived in a home that wasn't as nice as what he could have afforded on his own. We were both satisfied with those kinds of compromises.
Let me get this straight: she had an affair, got caught and wanted a life with side piece, now side piece is moving out, so she’s now screwed and wants the house and car. Of course, none of this her fault.
Hey hey hey, she had her moments but that was more because of Tim being mean and doesn’t respect her guy friends. So yeah that is right it isn’t her fault. 😂 what a piece of work.
To be fair,she might've thought the custodial issue was easily settled as its VERY easy for mothers to retain custody of their children. For a father to get custody of children the mother would have to do something extremely destructive, wheras a mother would most of the time just need to alledge abuse and the kids instantly go to her.
@@TheFenrirulfr She put materialistic things above her own children very typical of women to do so.. That's the facts here not the hypotheticals or philosophical defecation..
And she’s Christian? I can think of a lot of things from the teachings in the bible that she’s going to have a difficult time explaining to god. I don’t think, My husband made me do it, is a good excuse!
Just remember that while she’s fake crying and acting like she’s terrified of her husband that he is right in the next room during this whole hearing. This woman is a professional victim who has the emotional maturity of a 5 yr old.
Straight up. So afraid of him that she can sit ten feet away from him and say everything that an actual victim wouldn’t think of saying in the same vicinity as their abuser.
Husband is a saint for even giving her a place to stay. She throws it around with no regard for her family or husband. Yet he still provides her a place to stay when she's down on her luck.
@@toula6312I wonder if she was releasing controlled amounts of anxiety farts throughout this entire hearing. By the ending, that room she was in must have smelled fowl, no wonder she went outside.
Some act like that in person while in court. They come dressed in PJ or hair not comb, they bring food in court. The only thing hasn’t been done is vaping/smoking in person
Blew up her marriage for a man who doesn’t “do titles”. Made her kids hate her for cheating on their dad and destroying their family. He’s “abusive” but co-signed a vehicle for her and hasn’t locked her out of the house. She’s so gross
Oh for sure!!!! I have 4 teenaged boys at home and our groceries every week/every other are astronomical!!!! This lady is so self involved, selfish. And we get no assistance- no food assistance and no child support from the other parents. Poor kids in this situation, being put in the middle 😢
Especially if they’re boys!! But even if they’re are girls that’s far from enough I grew up the oldest of five children.. two girls three boys…I’m 39 so this is a long time ago I moved out at 17 and even back then when things were much much cheaper it’s no where near enough for that many children
What about James….he doesn’t have a car, he doesn’t have a place you can go stay at, he can’t take care of you when you’re sick……honey - you didn’t trade up !!!
She knew a relationship with a male friend was causing marital problems, and because the relationship made her happy, she kept it up in spite of that. No two ways about, she chose her happiness over her children and it blew up in her face
And this is why her children now have mental health issues due to being neglected & rejected by their mother. There's nothing worse than not having the love of a parent.
That's what got me. "Lady, there's no one to take care of you. That's why you put on your big girl panties and go take care of yourself--like the rest of the strong women. "
"I don’t have anyone to take care of me 😢" Yeah, Karen, that's because you're an adult! You put on your big girl pants and look after the children you decided to have like the rest of us do. Jeeeesus.
I mean… if she wouldn’t have imploded her own marriage, someone would be there to take care of her. I always take care of my wife when she’s sick. She does the same for me. I thought that was normal. This is sad.
Our kids are constantly watching and listening. They’re young; not idiots. Her biggest mistake was leaving them to go somewhere else on a regular basis when things were tough with exhusband. THAT is largely why they’re bitter and resentful. To them, she abandoned them.
Can't stand people like the plaintiff. The accusations are baseless. She shacks up with some dude, conceals it from her husband, then accuses him of being abusive. Screw this gross dumpster fire.
I have an ex like this. Sadly I’ve spent most of my money my kids, and her dad has a guilt complex over being a douche when she was a child. So whilst I haven’t come off horrible, someday there will have to be rebalance
@@jamesgentry13 If she had had even semi-competent legal representation, the could have. The judge was practically BEGGING her to give him something to work with here, but he's legally not allowed to give her advice on how to argue her case. This woman thought it was going to be expensive to get a competent attorney, imagine her surprise when she found out how expensive it was to NOT have one...
@@HolyRollerTV Only a moron would sell the house and go rent in this situation. The house is paid off, estimated market value of $80k. Worst-case, he can easily get a mortgage for $43k for her share. Even at 8% interest and a 10-year-payoff, that's still way cheaper than renting, and no reason to move his kids. Hell, he's got two years to do this. In the meantime, she's gotta pay him $656/month in child support. He can set that money aside in a high-yield savings account at ~4%, and probably make an additional $500 in payments into that account in the meantime. That'll get him to $27444 (plus the compounding interest he'll gain in those two years). At the end of the 2 years, get a personal loan or a mortgage for the remaining ~$15k and give her a lump sum, pay it off in a couple of years, and wash his hands. Easy peasy. Even if she doesn't make her child support payments he can just offset the unpaid amount while putting money in a savings and get the $15k loan for the difference. The court will be more than happy to offset her unpaid child support payments (with interest) against the balance owed for buying her out of the house, if she decides to make a stink. He can do this easily. Everything about this case is is still a major win for him.
It eases the conscience. They know deep down what they are doing is wrong and their conscience knows they are scum, so the body tries to justify it and deflect. "Yeah I cheated, but it is your fault". Just basic 101 level gaslighting. This lady ain't a brain surgeon.
Because everyone knows cheating is terribly immoral. Most people don't want to admit that they're capable of doing terrible things on their own, so they have to blame it on something external to them. "I can't be a terrible person doing terrible things, so _they_ must be!"
Just listen to her. She is in court acting like a 5 year old. Yes..she is nuts and immature and a gaslighter, but this is exactly why a dude (or whoever) needs to take red flags seriously. It sucks for him, but when you marry crazy you gonna have to take the pain. Do the work BEFORE having kids or marrying someone,
Well she might be a victim. If he’s been abusive she has needed therapy. It seems that she is being criticised because she had a boyfriend, which might be offensive to some people’s moral code but is not the only issue. She’s home schooled the kids and looks after them when he’s working. I have worked with men and women who are destroying themselves because of their toxic relationship,
Noticed that too. Mentioned that both the young kids and the husband stabbed her in the back. But she is the one who cheated on her husband and abandoned her kids for guy friend. Talk about projection. Dad will be fine.
Yep. She literally gives him no credit nor allows the possibility at any point that she is at all at fault, he does the exact opposite ( for instance acknowledging the car payments and the groceries, acknowledging me made derogatory comments about her to the children). If there was any doubt still to who was the credible party it was gone within 2 minute of him testifying.
@@elpatron7916 House is paid off, he gets the House and has pay her half the Value. Child Support, she will have pay him a lot of her small $14hr she makes, she'll never afford a place one her own. Will almost be a wash for first couple yrs
Nah, the way she's going through new "partners" or as she calls them "friends" she'll find some dude to take her in. There's always someone out there who will.
When my ex-wife was cheating on me, my four year old step daughter told me that they were hugging and kissing. Kids are absolutely not stupid, and can tell when something is wrong. She's since moved on to at least two other husbands, and who knows how many other flings. I don't care about that, but I do care that her kids have to go through that. Still miss that kiddo. It's tough, taking on a child as your own and then having that taken away with no recourse.
I know the feeling. I raised my step so. From the time he was born till 4. I do t get to see him anymore and it is tough that’s why men should throw no before taking on the responsibility of raising another man’s baby
But aren’t father”s usually addressed as “watching the children”. Don’t fathers get asked to do many things for their children? Like can you pick up the children from…. Wherever? Who asks any mother those questions? lol. No one! Bc it’s just assumed that others do those things. Let’s be real here!
I know right?! After years of marriage and society giving the ideal of exciting new love being the standard, and being only a mother, maid, and having to let the hot love be on the back burner for a day here or there, it can be tough. It can feel lonely sometimes. The answer is NEVER to go outside your marriage. The answer is to discuss these feelings with your husband and work at falling back in love. You do it for the sake of your family and the life you've built. You don't have the right to blow everyone's life up and go live on the greener grass with your kids and blame the party who didn't stab the trust to death. Disgusting b**Ch.
Some narcissistic women will target devoutly Christian men for relationships. A properly Christian man is taught to respect women, adore his wife, forgive (or at least forbear) the sins of others, and abide by laws and lawful authorities such as child support services - beliefs that can be abused by an unfaithful wife. I've seen many fellow young Christian men tricked into marriages by deceptive young women who quickly have a kid, file for divorce, get child support, manipulate him into giving her everything he has, then move on to the type of guy they actually want to be with. "First marriage for money, second marriage for love." It's one of the issues made possible by no-fault divorce, and is partially responsible for destroying male confidence and interest in marriage. A lot of men who would otherwise want to get married, have kids, and be good husbands and fathers - they're not doing so nowadays because of predatory women whose deceptive and destructive behavior is rewarded by the legal system instead of punished. Luckily, this man saw the situation for what it was, got an attorney, and had the attorney represent him instead of succumbing to the manipulations of his unfaithful wife. Whether she intended this from the start of their relationship - admittedly unlikely at this point, given the timeframes and number of children they're at - or failed to maintain her maturity, spirituality, and love for her family; she's abandoned her responsibilities, duties, and obligations as a wife, mother, and daughter of God. God will judge both of them, but it looks to me like she's much more at fault for this situation than he is, if not almost entirely.
Such abuse and gaslighting. And then to allow their KIDS to also have a problem with her leaving them for some random dude... What kind of a monster was she married to? OF COURSE she had to go spend a couple of nights at a battered women's shelter and take the beds from women who might actually legitimately need that resource to get away from bona-fide abusive monsters! What other choice did she have? 🤷♂
The divorce case was a prime example of why you NEVER appear before ANY judge for ANY reason without proper legal representation. She fukd around and found out!!!🤷🏾♀️
I represented myself in my divorce proceedings and actually won full custody and he got nothing. He had an attorney, I was in a DV shelter with the kids and put myself through college. People CAN effectively represent themselves (even against a litigant who's represented) but they must have proper decorum and be mentally stable enough to not act like this narcissist.
@@donnazangenberg9435 ... the mind boggles.... my husband was in no way abusive but frankly if I was sick a chocolate teapot would have been more useful 🙂
@@heidimueller1039 telling the truth to teenage children is not turning the children against her. Her actions of destroying the marriage is what turned the children against her. My ex wife did the same thing and got the same results. I didn't have to say a word about it. The children were old enough and smart enough that they figured it out for themselves and they were younger than these children. Do you really think that teenagers are stupid enough to not recognize when their mother is stepping out with another man? My son was nine years old when he saw his mother do it while I was at work and he is the one that told me.
@@user-pq9ji7kt4l So, how does she truck children to and from school or daycare, then get to work on time? How does she easily take them to Doctor's, dentists, eye appointments. Do you have children and a vehicle? A vehicle is her lifeline, to emergency for a child who falls, for many things daily, weekly, monthly.
@@user-pq9ji7kt4l I didn't listen to the whole video. Do they only have one vehicle? Don't have to answer. Hope the children get a decent life is what's important.
If I was ever in trouble and needed a lawyer I would be looking this dude up he's brutal he's ruthless he gives no craps except for about his client and I love it
People would be surprised (not as much now that everyone watches these type of cases on RU-vid) how much false abuse claims are used in family court proceedings. It takes so many benefits from people who actually need them.
Basically, she cheated and blew up her marriage without any thought of her children (or husband) and is now upset that she's not getting any sympathy. Her new guy doesn't even actually want her. She sure did screwed up.
Objection, your honor, my husband got mad at me bc I started sleeping with other men, sending other men nude pics of myself and introducing my kids to my side pieces.
She acts like his lawyer or the judge should make her own case. Because they are asking her these questions, its only fair they ask her husband questions too, yeah? Nope, not how court works.
@@eschcal1619 She had every opportunity to cross examine him (and thereby lay foundation for her texts she was previously trying to enter into evidence) too, but she "just didn't even care at this point" as she so testified when given the opportunity to cross... What a piece of work. And she's going to tell all her idiot friends and everybody on facebook and Reddit that the court system was rigged against her and sided with an "abuser".
@DorothySpang he might have been for the past fourteen years, but he finally grew a spine. This is what's got her so spun - how dare he not just financially support her for life, take care of the kids for her, and give her his house and a new car while she cheats on him left and right? Our boy grew a sack and lawyered up.
Says she's scared but you're more vulnerable when you're sick and she stays with him when she's sick. She is NOT scared of him. I've actually gone through domestic abuse. I would not go near him even if I was armed. Bish is giving us women a bad name
Oh, she is full of bullshit. I have a 10-year-old daughter. I left a domestic violence situation with my husband after 7 years of marriage, he was arrested over 5 times for DV. I filed for divorce. He got a lawyer and the law firm was supposed to represent DV victims. He had gotten a grant from the VA, he is a disabled veteran and worked for the VA. I ended up representing myself. The first thing I told the judge at our trial was you have to put my daughter in the safest place possible…that is all. I produce my evidence and my testimony, and I got to question him on the stand (very satisfying). I got everything and then judge then got creative (court ordered anger management, rehab, counseling etc.) And now 5 years later. Our family is great. He went to rehab. We live 4 blocks from each other. Our daughter loves us both. We spend lots of time together as a family, and it is not what I thought my marriage would end up being, but it is way better than it was. Judge said something during my divorce that stuck with me “ here’s a little girl, six years old and the two people she loves the most and the two people who love her the most….and she can’t figure out why they don’t love each other”. I love my beautiful family dynamic. Love my ex. Don’t always like him. But we do love each other.
You should really be proud of yourself for putting your daughter first and for supporting your ex husband as a friend through his tough times. I’m sure your support and the fact that you didn’t try and mess up his relationship with his daughter helped him get through his issues. People don’t seem to understand how perceptive young children are to the way their parents act especially though tough times like divorce. Good job mom. Way to put your daughter first. It seems like a no brainer concept but most people really struggle with it.
I love this My husband was never that bad, but had a lot of problems and I got a divorce. But because we had our 5-year-old son, we stayed civil. Over the years we became friends again, and I'm glad. (BTW, the older he got, the better he behaved. Fancy that.) 😀
She was having an affair, left her hubby for the other guy, who then dumped her after she moved in with him & his sister and he's moving out now? She's done run off James too. I feel bad for her that she's messed her life up so badly but she did it to herself
Sounds just like my ex wife, Except The judge gave her the home and children, After the child psychologists report was the children would be better off with the mother. Which she is not supposed to do. When I asked for video and recordings of the questions and answers my children supposedly said there were non, Again there should have been, some of. These so called answers were in a statement my children had never used. She would leave us to gò and see her male friends for a week at a time yet claimed she was the main caretaker of the children, our two older children refused to cooperate with the psychologist and stated they did not want to get involved as they loved us both. So all the questioning was done with our 4 year old. The present laws are a joke when it comes down to equality in divorce courts.
Find another lawyer, if she is really leaving the kids alone, get evidence of it. If you talk to the older kids, talk to them about the younger one, if they leave when older, what is going to happen to that child.
@iikidzmomMine From her own words she said in texts and her words going against her. Also if ashe was scared and moved on she wouldn't have slept over while sick being extremely vulnerable due to that. Sitting next to him in the home like this during court. Her words she said in text and trying to get a raise out of him.
@@vegeta2998 - As you say you’re a DV victim yourself, you should know that, for the victim, these relationships are incredibly complex, and I’m surprised that you would choose to judge and criticize another victim.
Did this witch really txt saying that she is neglecting responsibilities to other man when staying overnight with her children? WOW!!! All the lawyer had to do is show this txt alone forget all the other evidence or testimony this alone should be the first and last nail in the coffin simply amazing
Judge: you will conduct yourself as if you are in the courthouse. Her: watch me go for a walk because the battery on my phone is low instead of going to plug it in to a charger.
@@Karl-cj2sn Yes, they raced through quick screenshots of all the filthy things he texted her, but because he had a lawyer, all of her texts were read out loud into the record. Again, no one should lose in court because they don’t have/can’t afford a lawyer, and lawyers are not provided by the court in civil cases.
He's upset. I saw it in his face. I think he loved her. He must have been so upset over her cheating and selfish behavior. She basically left him and the kids for a piece of meat ...and then that guy told her he didn't want a relationship with her. Hearing her talk, I think she cheated with multiple men. She is awful and he looks like such a nice guy.
I give him props: never seen a Zoom family case where the opposing party wasn't making faces, constantly interrupting the party giving testimony, sometimes cursing them out. Dad doesn't flinch and doesn't speak. As an attorney, that is the client I want!
I don't understand how people think they are going to be ok while representing themselves in court, when they have NO idea how the judicial system works. I just can't. 🤯
They think they are good enough and can manipulate their way through the people in the court room. "The man who represents himself in court, has a fool for a client."
Procedure isn't actually that difficult. Preparation of documentation, evidence and witness testimony and writing very relevant questions to ask is where I'd imagine the real difficulty comes in.
@noeliaortiz2974 state-provided attorneys are in criminal cases if the defendant cannot afford an attorney. Divorces are civil cases and, as I understand it, don't provide state-appointed attorneys.
The dad definitely got his money worth from this lawyer 😂 "I don't have anyone else to take care of me" well maybe don't bite the hand that feeds you lady
Wait I didn't know you could cheat on your husband and that makes you a victim. Also I had absolutely no idea that as a parent I could have free time when my children need me? What a revelation!! This chick should get nothing but supervised visits. Everything should go to this man!!
She can’t even keep her phone charged during the most important court case of her life, let alone take proper care of her children. She isn’t capable of making adult decisions. She’s too selfish & immature to realize what she did to her family was wrong.
How to spot a narcissist: Fake crying/crocodile tears ☑️ Doesn’t give a direct answer ☑️ Give a bunch of excuses to support the answer you’re trying to avoid ☑️ Take credit for all of the good things ☑️ Blame everything negative on the other person ☑️ Play victim to the circumstances you created ☑️ Ummmm….Karen, congratulations YOU are the narcissist, not your husband. 🤷🏻♀️
Honey - you cheated. Hubby no longer wants you….and since you live in a shelter, I would say your “guy friend” doesn’t want you for no more than a side piece. LOL you choose you lost!
This may be true but stop with the abusive, while you still married bringing the kids around the other dude’s family, fake tears, I need him to take care of me (Walmart employees get a discount on items), can’t go to school (Walmart does tuition reimbursement), etc. just say you don’t want him and I’ll support my kids but I want out.
⚠️ it is not babysitting when you are the parent of the child that is in your care and / or presence. A child is a dependent of the parent as they depend on you for everything due to the inability to safely manage a household on their own. ⚠️ YOU WERE PARENTING, YOU WERE DOING THE BAREST MINIMUM, that's all...
Love the judge just blowing past her passive aggressive attempts for sympathy. “I guess I’m just being steamrolled” - Judge goes “okey then, moving on”. Love it. She’s used the kids as a ticket to ride.
You know it’s bad when even the women are calling this 304 out. What a despicable human being she is. But shame on the husband for taking her back after her first affair. Also definitely agree with Mike on this one, PATERNITY TEST!! Although I guarantee you that even if they weren’t his, he would still raise them like his own.
@@jaimesfolly lol, but to be fair women (and others) do often assume that the victim is the woman regardless of the evidence against them, just look at amber heard and all the supporters she had!
45:49 So when she needs to be 'taken care of' she returns to the marital home, complete with the 'abusive' husband & her children who destroy her things?? 😂
