KATANA is USELESS against Medieval ARMOR?! 

What a game

Well you do stab him in the neck multiple times so I wouldn’t say that’s invincible. Any human would be done in by that

​@@theZDOMEYou put your blade there to apply the thrust to push him of the edge, you never cut him directly in the neck.

Gaps in armor exists, so it's odd that wasn't an option to take him down. Guess it is easier to push him off a cliff rather than code an entirely new animation into the game for one fight though.

@@theZDOME to be fair there is a resurrected old japanese guy with a gun that wields lightning and the wind fighting a resurrecting warrior casting bombs from a prosthesis. whom has been shot stabbed and poisoned a hundred times each before that fight against the knight. getting stabbed in the neck is as the monty python clip puts it just a flesh wound. so calling these characters human is like calling cap america human. yeah it is partly true but they are so roided tf out that they became superhuman.

They should probably check to make sure it was folded the requisite 10,000 times.

Only traditionally made kanata which the steel was folded at least a million times, can cut through everything, including the universe itself in half.

I was wondering why it wasn't in it's sheath all you need it to act like your drawing it in order to cut things having it out like that could ruin space time.

Oh, you mean Dark Magic: Dark Cloaked Dimension Slash. Thats because it requires an awakened arm meridian and a golden core, as well as a deep understanding of Dark Magic. so maybe thats why?

He's not the storm that is approaching.

Fun fact, they still died anyway. Guns were a thing in Samurai history. Or else, wrestle to the ground, dagger through weak points, game over.

​@@SilverforceX armor at the time even protected against guns, as it was continuously made thicker throughout the years to counter improved ranged weaponry.

I don't know. That sounds like cheating to me.

well most wars in japan were fought by peasants that had little armor and in daily day to day life a katana was pretty good vs rebels and whatnot

@@SilverforceX knights or european armies where using guns from mid 15th century while samurais only started to use them 100 years later or so, so at the time samurai started useing their guns europe had evolved and advanced for a hundert years in gun battles. its hard to belive but europe was just ahead in warfare most of the time. i know hard pill to swollow for japan wanabees.

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This comment reminds me of my childhood when i was fighting with sticks in the forest against my brother... we broke ourselfs a few fingers here and there xD

@@orengjuuce2299 blunt weapons can be deadlier than sharp weapons and I understand you

They did, a lot, because sword was pretty much always convenient sidearm. Though indeed, it was usually inneffective, or effective only when one was able to to avoid enemy's armor. Here's excellent account of Jorg von Ehingen, German Knight, describing his deeds near Ceuta, modern Morroco in 1457. The infidel threw his shield in front of him, and laying his spear on his arm he ran swiftly at me, uttering a cry. I approached, having my spear at the thigh, but as I drew near I couched my spear and thrust at his shield, and although he struck at me with his spear in the flank and forearm, I was able to give him such mighty thrust that horse and man fell to the ground. But his spear hung in my armor and hindered me, and I had great difficulty in loosing it and alighting from my horse. By this time he also was dismounted. I had my sword in my hand; he likewise seized his sword, and we advanced and gave each other a mighty blow. The infidel had excellent armour, and though I struck him by the shield he received no injury. Nor did his blows injure me. We then gripped each other and wrestled so long that we fell to the ground side by side. But the infidel was a man of amazing strength. He tore himself from my grasp, and we both raised our bodies until we were kneeling side by side. I then thrust him from me with my left hand in order to be able to strike at him with my sword, and this I was able to do, for with the thrust his body was so far removed that I was able to cut at his face, and although the blow was not wholly successful, I wounded him so that he swayed and was half-blinded. I then struck him a direct blow in the face and hurled him to the ground, and falling upon him I thrust my sword through his throat, after which I rose to my feet, took his sword, and returned to my horse. The two beasts were standing side by side. They had been worked hard the whole day, and were quite quiet. When the infidels saw I had conquered they drew off their forces. But the Portuguese and Christians approached and cut off the infidel's head, and took his spear, and placed the head upon it, and removed his armour. It was a costly suit, made in the heathen fashion, very strong and richly ornamented. As we can see, Moorish knight/champion was eventually killed because he had some kind of open helmet, and received wounds to face and throat, after some wrestling.

@@lsciborThat’s a really great historical example. I think the original poster’s point was more that knights (or their opposing equivalents) wouldn’t choose the sword as their first choice when facing a fully armored opponent. As in your example, both of the combatants attacked with spears, but having lost them were forced to use their swords.

There is a reason why they didn't use katanas 😂

The same was true in Japan, they rarely used katanas in battles unless people were on the ground or dint have armor. The Katana were mostly side arms.

@@lalilulelo1989 yeah, japanese swordsmen vs medieval knight with good helm and everything, katana cant do nothin against that armor, they are famouse for cutting fleshy related things and bamboo, not for beating a medieval knight, katana is only usefull vs medium or light armored swordsman, it cuts, but not good enough for steel, plus the medieval knights sword, like say the longsword was to me a more effective sword, katana is just cool, as double bladed can be usefull in a lot of situations and a non cuved sword (for me anyway) has resulted in a lot easier fights

Main form of combat, from 11th to 13th century. After that melee weaponry such as spears /halberds were the main form of samurai combat. There was still a great deal of arrows in battle though since foot soldiers continue using bows

And then they immediately and very enthusiastically started mass-producing matchlock arquebus designs as soon as they got hold of a few from Europeans.

@@crowe6961 And conveniently started modeling their breastplates after European cuirasses too

@@MW_Asura I don't think so much modeled after so much as imported from Europe.

@@MW_Asura Their experiments with triple-reinforced chainmail for some resistance to gunfire are documented, but appear to have gone poorly compared to a proper cuirass.

i see why he's a sword master

I mean... knights in full plate slipping on mud and getting stabbed on the ground is kind of how the french lost at agincourt

Hmm

​@@samsammich8465longbow won that one

@@cenktuneygok8986 So did the Japanese, once they got guns from the Portuguese.

Batter up!

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@@6millionLiesRememberHolodomor don’t be a hater

Yeah.. I guess they would carry all that stuff on their Magic enhanced bagpack.

@@ruhe5784 Did the post say they had this on them? no just that these are the things they would have had.

They sure won't get the point though 😉🤣

No need to be so blunt

That a bit of a tachi subject. Let’s not be so feudal.

Stop with the sharp words and just be friends!

Let’s face reality, samurai never really faced a peer enemy other than opposing samurai. They oppressed peasants who legally could not own weapons. Those things are great against unarmored flesh. Thing is in the west we had perpetual armored war from Rome through the colonial period.

Who you calling a thug?

To be fair, gambeson should be able to be cut through, but that's about it.

​@@lordfabulous6198not all the way through if ots good quality Gambeson. Poor quality like a peasant or commoner? Definitely.

But they did use firearms!

@@collinnicolazzo2065 Odd, usually I'm the one having to explain my joke.

Were coming for your loved ones.

same, can't afford to give im already starving.

Unfortunately they were out of mana to do that

Of course, it is not a Real Katana that is folded 10.000 times and made by the Real Japanese master smith using the insane secret technique and craftsmanship...

​​@@Nazdreg1joke's aside wouldn't that be like a 40 lb sword 🤔...

Nice try, even a single twig can pierce through any armor from every country

@@ThisJWord isn't there a specifically designed Korean microbow that has 6 in barely bigger than toothpick width arrows meant to go in between LaMeller armor 🤔...(Not sure what ethnicity or culture made it I just know that there was supposedly one that was meant for that could probably be good for this if it was poisoned)

A real trooper, through and through, lol

The nit-pickiest weebs don't study armor and weapons, they only put their obsession into the comic book warrior with laughably unrealistic ability to fight.

Tyranth is an appropriately-named guy.

That boi Tyranth can swing

Does anyone actually think that a slashing weapon was gonna do anything against armor that is meant to stop slashing weapons? Sounds like you're just making up a boogeyman.

@@riku861 I mean, It's less common right now, and I was joking. But it's not hard to dig around 5 minutes and still find people saying katanas can cut stone and steel like a knife through butter and ridiculous nonsense like that. The tribe of "Folded 7 gazillion times" still lurks the jungles of the internet.

The guy looking for the dwarves was Oda Nobunaga

Man i loved drifters, a shame it did not get a 2nd season

So you like causing harm and hurting others, RACIST!

No, two hand heavy sword can break armour but requires much strenght.

@@hector_campus breaking is a overstatement, denting would be the right word. and really depends on what armor we are talking about, nonetheless, it still useless against plate

Swords are indeed useless against plate, however there are some swords that are pretty effective against mail. I'd say the best swords to use against armour would be a pointy longsword or arming sword.

@@catpelt298 ye agree

Estocs and longswords with comparably specialized, stabbing blade profiles were a thing, and rather effective against gambeson and mail but not plate. Also, blunt force trauma from heavier two-handed swords must be considered - just because a zweihander fails to penetrate the armor doesn't mean the other guy is okay, especially if he just got nailed in the helmet. There is also the pure shenanigans of the Mordhau grip on a standard longsword that actually is effective against plate, it's just dangerous and comically unergonomic.

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Maaaybe Its very hard to chop something without a firm foundation to absorb the blow. If you did a draw cut, with a very sharp sword, i think you could It wouldnt make a difference tho, it couldnt get through the chainmail. And in a real fight you couldnt get close enough

i guess possible but highly unlikely. if leather straps on armor were able to be cut easily then they wouldnt of used them

Not on a dynamic moving target.

I wonder if it was known by a different name in AUS. Lots of shows had regions specific names.

There is a record of Miyamoto Musashi utilizing a long wooden katana during the siege of Osaka Castle in 1615, and the 14th-century Taiheiki describes the use of a wooden katana.

That’s just “big stick energy” with extra steps

@@AsianTrix The long wooden katana is also less powerful than a kanabo, but is it easier to thrust gaps in armor?　It may also be possible to attack and defend using its curvature.

STIK GUD!

​@@Watari_toppausing a stik vs a full plated armour? The knight whill just shrugded It off. Or simply take It and snap It whit an armored fist and beat the shit out of this idiot. A medieval armour use plate, coat and padding. Also a medieval knight Is trained to use everting of Is armour like a weapon. So even if the samurai manage somehow to disarm It. What Is keeping the knight to just start boxing?

I can already tell you it would be useless against plate. No way you are punching through it, even with a punch dagger. As for mail, maybe. You'd have to be very strong though.

Either that or the mail has to be of a low enough quality, in which case it doesn't take a giant's worth of strength to readily punch through. Which kinda makes sense for the setting, as the most they'd have is chainmail + a few extra plates on it, and that's for the richest of fighters.@@frantisekvrana3902

@@frantisekvrana3902 I think the only thing that would be able to get through plate armor would be a lance strike, and a particularly heavy blow from a polearm of some kind.

I liked the one where they had I think former Delta force guys vs former Russian Spietznetz. I knew the Russians would win because they acted professionally , the Delta guys were loudmouthed rednecks. They talked crap to the Russians the whole time he was like "ok we shall see". When they tested the pistol the Russian shot through the dummy's nose , and then he explained medically why that was the best place to hit someone. He even told them which vertebrae the bullet would pass though. So it's a shot through the brain that also severs the spinal chord.

Yes. What is your point?

they do explain that Samurai were archers first and foremost, literally the first thing they learn is how to shoot a bow on horseback, long before they begin training with a sword. Knights trained to wear their armor and ride on horseback, since thats what they primarily did in war. Difference? Samurai pretty much only used their swords in duels, or right before they die (either to off themselves or have a glorious last stand). Knights used swords constantly, they were commonly used in wars like the crusades after a knight would use/lose his lance (many swords being made specifically for riding), they were used in duels, tournaments, mock battles, smaller conflicts when deployed on foot, knights also highly favored using the sword against less armored opponents. They also used their sword when knocked off their horse, when defending their castles, or when walking around day to day (as you wouldnt carry a 6 foot halberd or spear around all day). The list goes on and on. To summarize, the katana was a statement piece, it wasnt their secondary weapon, it was their absolute last result, you can read bibliographies about samurai where when dismounted the first thing all of them do is pick up a weapon from a dead soldier. A knights sword was that, a sword, a weapon. It was made for war, it wasnt made for culture or for a statement, it was made to kill people and keep you from being killed. The knights were primarily used as heavy cavalry, yes, however this "primarily" is actually closer to 60 percent of the time, knights still used their swords quite a bit.

In fact in the bibliography of Minamoto Yoshitsune there is a part where he writes about a battle, where when he ultimately dismounts to pursue people leaving on ships he first picks up a spear, then a monks staff (called a Shakujo).

@@atheonbanan1518No the sword for both cultures were pretty much same. Like you said about katana, status symbol, last resort, etc. If knight lost his lance (which they brought many) or fought on foot, he would prefer axes maces and pole weapons.

​@@Nitram7482pokey pokey stick was still the meta

Because steel is super effective against rock, obviously.

Because the knights armor was blessed by a priest and bathed in holy fire in a forge for seven days.

Knight's armour has been sanctified in jerusalem

Because the plot wanted to

This armour can tank any damage coming from a weaboo attack.

Should work just fine. Was commonly done in both europe and japan to tackle down each other and dagger whatever was not covered in plate.

Have bec will wreck is my new favorite saying.

I've seen an arm get broken through both shield and Armour.

A ballistics gel torso you're suggesting?

@@moritamikamikara3879 yup. Adminitstative Results used a bow on one and it did well. so a mace or Our beloved "Becy" should be good against it for damage test.

That would be cool. The problem with those is that they're reeeaaally expensive, so Idk how feasible it would be for Shad

@@ironblade5735 ya that would the tough part. As a long term plan it may work. But it will be awhile.

They didn't really have them. Only the nobility were allowed to use armor and weapons. The spear and bow were more than enough for samurai armor. The technology didn't really advance until Europeans showed up with better tech

Great question! So japanese bows are a great anti armor weapon, at a certain range at least! Their arrows were as thick as any other war arrows, but since the bow was so big, the arrows were equally as long so they were quite heavy. Such kinds of arrows needed high draw weights, around 120-150lbs, plus the bow was recurved thus it transferred energy more efficiently and leads to a stronger shot. Problem is they shoot short distances but you need to be up close in order to penetrate armor. Another is the Naginata, many say its similar to a glaive but its closer to a halberd with how it functions. While sharp, they're also extremely thick, around 12-14mm at the spine. How they were used is you will raise them up in the air and use gravity to slam them down on the opponent basically, Though not guarantee to do much against armor, it certain had the capability to. And of course there are also matchlocks! Unless you were rich and could afford the high quality armor of the time, its safe to assume it'll kill.

@@Ashtor1337 This is not true at all. Firstly anyone could own weapons and armor, its all a matter of if you can afford them or not. granted yeah not everyone can afford the highest quality stuff but it doesn't mean everyone besides samurai was completely unarmored and unarmed. Secondly yes spears are bows could work against japanese armor, but only in some scenarios (Up close and high draw weight for bows, Lots of momentum or good placement for a cut/stab with a spear), Both their armor and weapons are good. Lastly we have clear evidence of lots of technological advancements from the 11th to 16th century before matchlocks arrived.

Sai and Tonfa would be pretty good weapons, if you count okinawan/ryūkyūan weapons.

​@@hugom2418 A spear would work pretty well against most armor

Would explain why it has like zero AP

No armour protects you from blunt force trauma

so blunt force from a shield or club/mace is more effective than a blade hell if reload and accuracy can be accounted for a catapult, cannon or volley of gunfire will do it

Should perform just fine. Any spear should perform fine against mail. Mail armor's biggest weakness is (along with blunt force) piercing.

Armpit? Neck? Armor is weakest at the joints.

​@@gamingdragon1356can't you see the chain mail around it?

@@raidenthememer4360 chain mail is still weaker than plate.

@@gamingdragon1356 I mean, yeah, but even then it would most likely do nothing. If you only had a katana your best bet would use it to defend yourself why you try and topple them over.

That sounds Like an interesting idea yeah. Especially considering samurai armor wasn't steel for the most part.

If you mordhau it id be surprised if you didn't get through. They didnt have access to steel because of their ore quality and forges. They lacked protect in a lot of key areas. The technology differential was extreme. Their armor wasnt close to as durable because it didnt face similar threats. It really is comparing apples to oranges

Same results! but they'd have to get a good quality and accurate repilca first.

@@Delseius Wasn't steel for the most part? It depends on the era but by the 16th century it is almost entirely steel. before then it was about 65% steel and 35% harden and lacquered rawhide, some more some less.

@@darthvader6533 That's not entirely true. while yes it is similar to comparing apples and oranges, its not because of the quality of one to the other, more so the doctrine of warfare. Iron wasn't scarce in japan prior to the industrial revolution, and the steel quality was just fine when metallurgical studies are done. Any good high quality example did not lack any key areas of protections for the kind of combat it saw, and it was quite durable. This isn't an insult to you though, please forgive me if this is coming off as rude, but there is a lot of misinformation when it comes to this stuff and I do wanna help clear it up.

Ooh, that sounds like an interesting one!

They actually had a substantial variety, and call it 鎖帷子, or kusari katabira. 4-in-1 links, 6-in-1 links, triple-layered, interlinked experiments for maximum protection, etc. They generally used smaller ring sizes than European armor of the same era, meaning superior protection, all else being equal. It saw use well into the 19th Century.

@@crowe6961 Huh, interesting. I'll have to look into that. Thanks!

​@@spartanhawk7637it is just a Gambeson for samurai

Very Jack Sparrow-ish

The Addon of Chivalry 1? Good times.

A shame #2 hasn't done something like that, still fun though! @@WimiBussard

Depends on what era the armor is from as to how effective. But older kenjitsu schools do teach that against an armored opponent one should cut places where metal doesn't cover (arm pits, inner thigh, wrist, etc) those areas are often just thick fabrics or fabric with butted nails seen over it. Cutting at the exposed cords that hold the smaller plates together on some types of Japanese armor was done. If the armor is compromised then it's easier to find a suitable target. Also thrusting into gaps in the armor (the same tactic used in Europe). Sometimes the left hand is put on the spine of the sword to aid in point control, effectively the same as half-swording except with a katana one doesn't grip the blade. And while I don't think it was a practice for battlefield use there is Kabutowari (helmet splitting) where one uses a katana to test cut on Japanese helmets. Off the Shinkendo website : February 16, 1994, master swordsman and Shinkendo founder Obata Toshishiro-kaiso performed a rare, record-setting kabutowari (helmet-splitting) test using a sword created in the traditional Japanese fashion by American swordsmith Paul Champagne. The sword was only lightly polished, and was unmounted save for a length of nylon rope tied around the tang. The helmet was an authentic Hineno-style kabuto, dating back between 1573-1602. Rather than requiring elaborate preparations like previous testers, Obata-kaiso preferred to lay the helmet loosely on a tree stump to simulate a more realistic atmosphere. After the test, resulting in a 13-centimeter (4 sun, 3 bu) gash in the kabuto, the katana blade remained undamaged. Also Master Jakob did a video on RU-vid within the last few years.

It was lighter and covered less so more of a chance, but I can't say if it could get through

@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 Thanks for the in-depth reply. I especially appreciate the bit about the alternate version of half-swording. Did they use the pommel because the blade is shorter on a Katana, or was there another reason?

@@Alpha1918 It was mostly silk and bamboo, right? I don't really know anything of substance about the armor, so even just confirming some surface level basics is appreciated.

@@CowCommando from what I remember from my history textbook, it was either steel or leather scales held together by silk.

Same result. The only difference would be with the piercing. Due to most european swords being straight and double edged, piercing through mail takes less effort. But in terms of slashing, it'll have the same result

thats because in real combat, whether modern versions with blunted weapons or actual knight combat with sharp weapons, the target dosnt stand there like a dummy and allow the opponent to do full backswing haymakers like on here. You need to keep your weapon close enough so you can DEFEND your own skull from the opponents attacks, as well as attack.

That's exactly what they said in the video so no need to correct you just watching the vid was pretty much enough on that subject for most ;).

Its not fair to compare Japanese anything with European anything Vastly different technology levels I think they only do this because the Japan fanboys try to

I mean, european swords won't cut through either japanese or european armour. Plus, the main weapon for europe was spears.

@@koderamerikaner5147 exactly, armors are sort of....there to prevent sharp stuff from getting through. Japan, Europe, China, middle east, same thing. if any "sword" can get through any armor then it is bad armor.

My level 90 red mage will cause nuclear explosions from afar, and the poke the enemy to death once he gets into melee range!

@@BarsusDraco Sounds about right

Yeah though it’s not a good weapon for thrusting. I like Katanas but they are not versatile swords.

Maybe, but it's undeniably fun to hit things with sharp sticks

When fanboys stop claiming that their weeb knife can cleave through reality itself, THEN videos like this will no longer be necessary.

@@RilaAudio who even says that these days?

I'm glad it isn't just me. The channel used to have a much broader range of content, from medieval architecture and war tactics to fight scene breakdowns and critiquing the historical accuracy of fantasy media. Now almost every video is either a cut test or comparing weapon/armor A to weapon/armor B. I'm sure there are weapon and armor enthusiasts who can't get enough, but I did appreciate the more diverse content of old.

@@KoshoShinogi Yeah, I miss his how to fight fantasy creatures discussion. This is sort of stuff just seems sort of pointless, especially this video.

@@KoshoShinogi and the weapons and armor are usually just cheap gimmicks. Done more for fun than anything else.

@@KoshoShinogi Shad’s honor guard castle vid was one of my favorite videos ever. I wish he would even make more fantasy castles like that and make a 30-60 minute video walking you through it.

While I agree with this sentiment, I think it'd worth pointing out that not _all_ of the recent videos are like this. More specifically, the castle tours and explanations have been closer to that older style, and I quite like that. But they are a small proportion of the videos in comparison to all the weapon testing.

Yeah. I wish he'd bring up Ryūkyūan weapons like the Sai, Kama, Tonfa, and Kunai. For some reason the HEMA community really fixates on katanas because it's overexaggerated in anime, which is weird because european swords slice through armour in popular media too.

Their armor is also made of metal its just lacquered so people assume it some other material, but it is in fact metal.

​@@sexystealthninjaits iron, but it is still metal, yes

This just in ladies in gents, samurai battles consist of a single samurai and 100 unarmed peasants. what a revelation. All those historical artwork were lying after all.

Honestly, little difference from european knights. Both were armoured lower nobility and partook in wars.

@@koderamerikaner5147 Major differences pal. Knights fought dragons, while samurai just wrote haiku about them or some nonsense. Knights had long flowing manes of golden hair. Samurai tied their hair in a knot to hide its lackluster appearance. I could go on but I think you get it.

@@shano6613 Based and Knightpilled.

My guy he has between 10 and 15 videos in-between each "katana video", sometimes more. This doesn't even include the supporter vids.

I genuinely think he is warming up to it but not quite there yet.........

He did not?

Sounds like a tourist

But he's proving that the katana isn't as legendary as it's cracked up to be.. That's the opposite of a "katana cringe-boy"