"You guys wanna swords fight?" he said, spinning the blade he held in reverse grip as though it were a staff, and standing in such a way it appeared as though he feared his own weapon.
The man's techniques were strange but unpredictable,randomly parrying with a sudden sword spin,or going in with a sudden stab.However,he was quickly disarmed,and resorted to pulling out a nine millimeter glock
Idk...bog iron was one of the better sources of iron for a time. Running out of it and needing to switch to other sources is attributed to a drop in the quality of steel during the early medieval period. Not sure that's actually that insulting.
Yeah... swords were great for self-defense and as a secondary weapon. You can't just strap a spear to your belt. The average sword acted like a pistol, while a spear was more like a rifle. You wouldn't want to go to war with nothing but a sword, but you wouldn't have your spear when some ruffian assaulted you on the street. Also, drawing a sword might be faster than removing your spear from the corpse of your previous opponent.
@@Nerdnumberone more like most of the time, given their design it was actually hard to pull it off, like when a charger gets slightly stuck on the port and you fear damaging it so you move it several times until it slowly comes off
Japanese steel was folded so many times by weaponsmiths because ore found in Japan was extremely high in carbon content as a result of the volcanic rock the islands are made of. Folding the steel so many times was necessary to remove the unusually high carbon content in the ore. Carbon content makes metals brittle. Later using imported iron and using more advanced mixed metallurgy techniques it was no longer necessary, and in fact pointless to fold the steel so many times besides the tradition of doing so.
@@Immopimmo Okay, *bog iron* is a rockformation originating from a bog. It still has to be mined but usually the place ain't a bog anymore. So bog iron originates from a bog a geologic era back or two - but isn't necessarily a bog anymore. Just like you can find vulcanic rock without a volcano (let alone active) around.
@@SuperMurxus First of all, meteorite Iron may be valuable because it's rare, but it's usually not good quality. And that's not what's meant by bog iron. Bog iron is metal deposit developed in swamps. The iron is brought there by subterranean current (groundwater). It then oxidiforms into small clumps. Bog iron has forever been the cheapest/easiest access to iron, because you would just walk into a bog and use a long stick to find clumps of iron. No mining required.
@@user-td1jj8ll8y In regard to iron quality - simply no: The alloys found in iron-nickel meteorites had properties that would have made them competitive as blade making materials. For hardness, un-worked meteor crystals had hardness equal to the finest Damascus steel blades, close to the finest of any blades, and significantly higher than wrought or cast iron. Only starting in the 19th century is iron of better quality than meteorite iron available. Second: Bog iron is called "Raseneisenstein" in German - lawn iron stone - guess? Because is found under the gras - not bogs. Simplified if your region is full of bogs basically any sh*t you find is in a bog - if your region is full of gras - then that's where things will be. Yes, bog iron is found in shallow depth - but mining is mining - often 'mines' would be just shallow tunnels and shafts just below the surface. Mining isn't just your industrial age deep in the mountain stone blasting mining. That's actually the least done mining in ancient times. *Clay* is also *mined.* Even tho you find it at the surface.
The history of women swordsmen is as old as the history if swords. The agility and mechanical efficiency of the weapon actually makes it one of the most accessible to women who generally tend towards smaller statures than men.
@@joshuabrown7815 You're right, but OP is joking about the fact that guys are often inclined to play around like this for funsies and women tend to be less risk-takey in play/recreation. They weren't talking about historical serious sword usage :P
@@ItsAsparageese actually men don't die because the do more riskey stuff it's because women are such an annoyance that men hate their life's and kill themselves
@@lamaalomar7553 The reality is a LOT more complicated than either take. Yes, men have disproportionate problems in recent decades with suicidality and depression and society has done a lot of harm to push them in that direction. Becoming a misogynist, however, isn't a rational or reasonable or constructive reaction to that fact. Women aren't why modern society is killing men right now. The real problems are much more layered and nuanced. That said, I get that you're clearly speaking from a place of real pain about real issues. I want you to know that whatever happened to you/your loved one(s) wasn't okay and shouldn't have happened. Your anger is valid.
The funny thing is that neither the longsword nor the katana were even primary weapons. In both Japan and Europe, the primary battlefield weapons were polearms until they were replaced by muskets.
Yeah, cause most people don't want to get close to the guy trying to stab them when they can fight them from far away with a pointy stick, mankind's oldest and most venerable weapon.
@@SSJSonRei I wonder how often *actual* Warhammers were used IRL. I don't doubt they were used at least a few times (there have been crazier weapons in history), but I'm curious as to the actual amount.
I get it’s a joke But the real meaning is literally just “single-edge” because “ka means single and “tana” means edge so it mean “single-edge sword” basically
@@animetamila7819 i might be wrong but i think the person's point was "swords specifically, not sharp objects in general". Like if we were comparing trucks and someone beings up a car and i say "trucks not automobiles", general vs specific
"you guys wanna swords fight?" he is reverse gripping a shortsword! *to all the people calling me 'Captain obvious' or something along those lines: you misread the tone of the comment.
As much as i absolutely love samurai, the skill, the dedication. There is something simply horrifying about a full plated lad morhau grippin a longsword marching in your direction
@@maven9323 bows* they existed for a long time before they adopted guns. And yes the katana was primarily a status symbol, but it was also used in much the same way most swords were. As a backup weapon in case you lost or broke your spear.
@@maven9323 some badass art depicting Samurai shooting their trusty muskets from horseback they were definitely quick to adopt firearms contrary to popular belief but yeah before that I guess it would have just been bows
“Your steel was found in a bog” is crazy lol Edit: although I was only commenting on the insult quality, I got some pretty nifty blacksmithing lore out of it. Thank you!
literally the reason for 1000 folds- to compensate for the poor material quality. Tho, it's actually pointless to fold the steel this much, I believe about 10 or so folds is the most you need, anything else is just a waste of time.
No it isn't, they got it backwards. Bog iron was good ore found in Europe and likely would have been used in longsword production. Bog iron was reasonably pure and easy to extract with the available mining and smelting technology at the time. Better ore could be found digging through rock, but that was really hard to do, and bog iron was plentiful at the time and good enough. Katanas were made from iron sand, which with the available extraction technology at the time was absolutely terrible ore, it could easily be half or more dirt and sand (although iron sand is actually more pure when using modern mining practices, but extracting just the iron and not the unwanted bits requires powerful electromagnets, which obviously weren't an option at the time) and the smelting technology available in japan was inferior and did a worse job of removing impurities than the processes being used in Europe and mainland Asia at the time on top of having more impurities to start with. The folding process was necessary with katanas because of the inferior quality of the steel available at the time, the repeated folding removed some of the impurities and evenly distributed the rest so that the steel at least behaved consistently and predictably if they couldn't achieve good performance, then a very limited quantity of good steel was forge welded on to form the edge because steel that was actually good was extremely rare with the smelting process in use. The whole folding process actually wasn't unique to Japan, European swordsmiths had actually used the same process hundreds of years earlier before they had access to better smelting technology, and in many cases took it even further and manipulated the layers in ways that introduced beautiful patterns into the finished work (this process is often called damascus in modern times although that name isn't technically correct), however they had long since abandoned it because improvements in smelting technology towards the end of the viking era yielded better quality with dramatically less labor.@@Rein142
I remember as a kid watching Highlander. When they mentioned that the steel was folded 200 times. My friends dad chimed in "200 times! How s*** was that iron?"
I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a minute and say that stage fencing has a place in pop culture. Over the top, unrealistic and exaggerated fights can be just as entertaining as more realistic ones and are, quite frankly, the only way to stage engaging fights in some media with videogames being the obvious example. Not to say that stage fencing is better or anything, just that complaining about a fight coreography because it's unrealistic is like saying that a sci fi movie has to always use real hard science and never make anything up. It's a storytelling device and should be used as such.
@@ThumbSipper Although I kind of agree, I think that fights in a setting based on our world should look realistic (just look or seem, not necessarily be). Those are the best and the most entertaining for me, and I bet lots of people would agree. Definitely not everyone, though. Some people just like super flashy fights.
The spring steel Europeans used was far better quality. The hardness, curvature and blade heavy balance of a Katana made it better at cutting over all - but if the blade encountered anything but flesh, you'd risk destroying it. Spring steel weapons, however, were far more durable.
@@wickederebusIn terms of shape it would operate similar to a saber or a scimitar, in terms of forging, folding metal without many impurities actually makes it weaker, the impurities in Japanese steel was the only reason why folding was a viable method of forging.
@user-ww5br9cp4i okay, but can you, without folding, make a katana with the higher quality steel? Like, melt it, pour it into the mold, etc. If yes, would it be a higher quality sword, or weaker in any areas?
@@kencat3363 it does matter how you have it. The uchi would be held blade down and the tachi would be held with the blade up. Just different time periods in which they changed to meet the criteria.
@@deejaythedeejay I think he was referring to the fact that vergil and dante fight often and their respective weapons are a katana and longsword (closer to a greatsword technically) and they both “hate” nero, who is a “rookie” compared to them
@@ragnkja 1024 layers with 10 folds. People get confused with binary… There are, of course, 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
@@MizantropMan well theoretically you could extract all the sand from the magnetite which is the actual iron in the sand but there is no real ways of doing that without magnets back in the day so it couldn't have been as pure as bog iron which was literally just hunks of pure iron found in bogs which were used to make European longswords so I think they got something mixed up.
I can’t imagine being able to swing a blade like that around and being fully able to trust that your buddy is skilled enough to block it so you guys can do fun stuff like this. That must be awesome
Did this shit all the time with a buddy of mine in Brooklyn. We'd practiced together for about 6 or 7 years by then and had a great understanding of what the other would do and only once did I get stabbed in the hand at my own fault. I raised my hands for a truce while advancing... stupid mistake. We had the honor of going 1 full minute using dull metal without holding back after the first 10-15 seconds I'd say because we were in such lock step. Fucking epic. Good old days.
@@larsespeland6068 that sounds so freaking awesome. The closest I’ve ever gotten to that was with my high school choir. We had rehearsed together every day for a year and by the end of it we were so used to performing with each other and reading our director that we were able to understand his hand signals wordlessly, which was fantastic. It really is something when dedicated people practice together, but tbh I’d rather have learned sword fighting 😂
been under the impression that the ones they actually used to cut or separate from the ones that they spar with, the way rapiers used for sport and training matches aren't actually Sharp
*Weeebs* : "The katana is the samurai legendary main weapon." *Actual samurai recharging their musket* : "You sure about that?" *Other actual samurai to musket samurai* : "wanna trade my naginata and bow plus a bag of rice for your gun?" *Musket Samurai* : "no."
Yes, only a gigachad knows that a katana and a long sword depends on the warrior who uses it.🗿🍷 (Edit): I didn’t mean to start a war😅 also thx for the likes🤓😃
@@koderamerikaner5147 Less of an object of worship, more a respect for the person who put the time and effort into learning how to make it, and actually making it. Japan seems to be really big about that.
@@MaxUltimata There was a religious connotation and it was used in ceremonies like marriage and was supposed to be handled in certain ways, but humans tend to really not care, especially warriors. It did have a spiritual meaning but plenty of samurai and others kinda just didn't abide by that outside of special ceremonies, probably because the samurai tended to view it like how we'd view a rifle or combat knife.
depends on the era. sengoku jidai and korean invasion.. those mf's didn't care about ceremony so much. half the time they were using guns and would pull the out the katana to finish off the maimed lying in the dirt. the 1800's samurai were all about the duels, tea ceremony, and flower arranging... this is where everyone's idea of frilly samurai comes from now
All medieval weapons and weapons before guns and that are powerful in their own thing, the spear is terrible, it's good for stabbing at a range, but it is vulnerable to being cut in half with a good blow, it can't be used for defense unless it has a metal hilt or you could use the two halves to stab, but after the enemy gets too close, you can't do much with the blade but you can bonk their head with it, longsword and Katana are both very good weapons, longsword is good at cutting and stabbing while the Katana is better in chopping but worse in stabbing. Edit: before anyone comments on this, READ MY OTHER COMMENTS!
