Wiccan in agatha will be pretty bad. You would have not have any 1-2 -costs besides domino/quicksilver. Then since those two take draws for 1-2 you would need to draw a 3 and also draw Wiccan on 4. Agatha is really dumb you can have a 3 cost on turn 3 and she will play a 1 or 2 cost.
@michaelw1612 a lot of Agatha decks tend to play Quicksilver and Domino to try and force a Sif/Wave on turn 3. Speed can be a turn 3 play if you don't get one of those 2, and then she plays Wiccan on 4 if lucky to get Agatha on 5
@@aguyfromaplaceinmontana.8324 You're not drawing Wiccan and that 3 with quicksilver and Domino. And if you add another 3 guess what? Agatha might play that over Wiccan. I play a lot of Agatha and she loves wasting energy. This idea just won't work. Feel free to go add a random 3/4 in an agatha deck and see how often you get that combo. Quicksilver/Domino being drawn also hurts this idea even more.
Honestly where I'm expecting to see Wiccan is in Thanos. That 2 extra energy seems like a great way to actually get Thanos on-board AND play some stones, and it's not like you've got too much difficulty with playing cards out.
I feel like Kate Bishop could be good for Wiccan and Speed. You mentioned she helps fill gaps in Energy spending, which is just what those two cards need.
Is it a fun? Have you had a great deal of a fun with those cards? I too am a Havoc believer. But only turn 5 but with this, maybe we could get him out on 4 perhaps 3, but we will have to see how much of a fun it is!
@@tobias1535 I can see the line being 1 drop - Zabu - Wiccan - Havok + Cull - 6 drop - 6 drop. While Havok gets to 12 power and you'd still have 6 energy for turns 5 and 6. It might not be the best thing to do, but it is fun!
Wiccan could be what brings Zabu back to life. It probably still won’t be very good but T1 Quicksilver into T2 Psylocke or Zabu for a T3 Wiccan could honestly be pretty strong.
i think both nico and jeff feel like really strong cards that everyone is ok with so the devs never bothered nerfing them. I still can't believe nico kept her draw 2 spell since release. She's my favorite card for sure.
Zabu didn’t become irrelevant because he’s bad. He became irrelevant because he’s an objectively worse Psylocke in every way aside from having one extra power.
@LFanimes333 yes. But having both when all you want either for is releasing Wincan doubles the chance to hit the line. If you don't draw Wincan you're running magik anyway so don't need the extra energy
@@jonolsen8136 I recon committing 3 whole cards in your deck for 2 extra energy from turn 4 onwards is pretty bad, no? What are you even building with that?
@LFanimes333 I don't think so. I've got decks build around electro/wave that have only 1 1 cost. And surfer decks that often don't play till turn 3 and still frequently win. Having a wiccan deck that needs cards turn one and 2 doesn't feel much different
That switch side arrow, seems not fair if switch side with all of the opponent's cards with just an acid arrow card. Except you prepare Cosmo. Then again with 1 cost card, you can bring surprise on last turn.
Kate bishop is such a good combo enabler, I see it to so many decks to be used to. Zoo and collector to name but a few. Now, emperor looks like a gimmick, but can he copy other 6Cost card start of game effects, like Thanos? Who knows...
If Hulkling hits Agatha, we get to find out it Agatha always plays *herself* when able, or always plays *a card named Agatha Harkness*. If the latter, Hulkling can copy Agatha, and if you have another 6-drop in hand, Hulkling has a 50% chance to play the other 6-drop instead. I don't think it works this way, but it would be funny if it did, not that it matters functionally.
Wiccan feels like a good 4 drop for a Silver surfer deck. Use Quicksilver, domino, Wiccan, Surfer, and then all 3s. If the wiccan conects its better then Sera you can play a total of FOUR 3 drops through turns 5 and 6 opposed to 3 on turn 6. If you have like Magic for am extra turn and Crystal to try and keep your hand full.
@@MaceTheAce-hu9dr ah youre right, i forgot turn 3, yeah I def think hes one of the better cards here with the hawkeye girl. the others seem inconsequential
I havent played since long ago, i remember playing a greedy 4,5 deck with moon girl, sera, and shuri, i think wiccan just enable them even more. even crazier idea i think wiccan might make uses of adam warlock, and probably kang.(edit: also arent loki just got reworked, he's probably useful on that note too)
Wiggan may be cooking in surfer. Hear me out. Quick silver and Dominos pizza, but then all your 3s. Put crystal in there for the extra draw and then turn 5 you get 2 3 drops and turn 6 you get 2 3 drops and a grandmaster.
Wiccan has that Adam Warlock problem of a busted effect balanced with awkward stats... ... I mean if they make him a 3 cost the Quicksilver, Domino, Wiccan combo would be meta defining (+ Agatha)
With Wiccan, even if you land the 1,2,3 you still need to have Wiccan in your hand on 4! He feels clunky as all hell, and for the pay out of a turn 5 with 7 energy, and a turn 6 with 8.. Pass for me
acually might get the pass finally again. kate looks good and i havent bought a pass in a while hopefully the other stuff is cool. I saw the varients which are awesome cause i dont have a witch varient or chvez varient that i like. I think wican is what ultmatly imgoing to be spending my keys on just love the extra energy cost cards.
There is already support for 1 cost swarm decks, I kinda wish they introduced something "new" like a 2 cost deck So marvel boy buffs 2 cost instead Mysterio into Marvelboy
Wiccan and speed should've been Wiccan: on reveal: +2 for each location change Speed: when a location changes go to that location with +1 power And Westview will be great for them..
Since wiccan is on reveal if you can get 1 drop into zabu or psylock into wong into wiccan its a +4 energy for turn 5 and 6 its unlikely but its possible
@@AllThatsFound can't play magik on turn 5 and if you play on turn 3 you can't wong on turn 3 edit: nvm i read that wrong i read can't play on turn 5 not after turn 5 woops
i think it fits well into a shehulk infinaut deck. absulute perfect roll would be sunspot on 1, zabu or psylock on 2, wong on 3, wiccan on 4, magik and moon girl on 5 along with any 2 or 1 drop, skip turn 6 play 2 or 3 she hulks depending if you moongirl into wong and 2 infinauts and profit
You'd probably run Quicksilver in a Wiccan deck. I think just Quicksilver -> Zabu/Psylocke -> Wiccan is good enough. Throwing in the Wong just adds more complications. Just being able to play a 6-cost on turns 4, 5, and 6 is good enough. I'd throw in Kate Bishop to help fill out your curve, Jubilee, a bunch of 6-costs, and Sandman. I'm not sure Speed is good enough though.
@@JohnJohnson-vq7ze Nah, you run Wong because it doesnt change the curve, and there is no downside to running it. Yurn 1 Quicksilver, turn two, Psy. It doesn't matter if you have Wong in hand, or Wiccan. Both cost 4.
Emperor Hulkling could find a home as one of the 6-drops in a ramp deck, too, given the potential to essentially create a copy of your Blob, Doctor Doom, etc. Either with the intention to play them both, or as a hedge if you don't find them and are willing to take a gamble.
With wiccan being a 4/7 I do beiieve people are sleeping on it. My guess is that it will be good in a deck that mixes strong early tempo cards with reactive cards like shang chi or shadow king, allowing you to mix a hard counter card with some powerful tempo ones in the late turns (like you can do after getting white hot room and feels absolutely busted). I think overplaying for wiccan would be a mistake, turn 1 quicksilver, turn 2 domino and you don't draw wiccan because you drew qs and domino 😂. Also if you want to play a top heavy 6 costs deck just go for electro.
I think you gotta run quicksilver at least. Don’t think Domino is worth it because you def wanna run Zabu and Psylocke for the potential of turn 3 Wiccan.
For Wiccan, I think you need to think of it as a surfer deck more so. Maybe not big cards but more higher volume. It’s an option that you can do a couple routes. Quicksilver 1, psylock zabu as 2 drops. Potential to play it turn 3 or start playing 3 drops on 3. If you get it and hit on 3 or 4, you can then play more 3 costs out. Might be over kill but an option
@@lonesurvivor8828 Doubt that. I bet 99% it's permanent once it triggers. The text wording is the same as Electro "On reveal" "+2 Max Energy." vs "On reveal" "+1 Max Energy" and Electro's is permanent even if you destroy the Electro card.
you need to think that there are already decks that want this (curve decks) and that you shouldn't build a deck around 1 win condition anyway, he seems good but wont always be the best play ofc
@@odinson2360 If you get it every single time, sure, but what does the deck look like outside of those? a bunch of 6 drops to capitalize on the extra energy?
I would straight up think any "optimal" list with him always runs quick silver as bad as it is it's definitely better than having 3 or more 1 drops 2 drops at least got quite q but of good ones ,psylok can ramp wiccan early Jeff white widow etc
Wiccan is somewhat counterintuitive for its effect, you want to spend all the energy on the earlier turns but for you to be able to do that is to fill your deck with cards that can able it but the goal is to cast 6 cost but since your deck is filled with less cost cards, there is no room for 6 cost anymore, also if you built your deck on that idea and never draw Wiccan, then what the heck is your deck is trying to do for? 🤣
Wiccan seems more like a Bounce card to me, as oppose to a big ramp deck card. Easy to fill the curve in those decks with plenty 1, 2 & 3 drops and that extra 2 energy on turn 5 & 6 could really give you a lot of momentum to boost things like your Bishop & Hit Monkey.
Wiccans an on reveal so i dont think the turn 5 clunky 7 energy should be a problem? As long as you use up all energy from turns 1 to 4 he should give the +2 right? Please correct me if I’m wrong Also if hulkling copied blob wouldn’t he only eat 1 card to get to 13 power?
I see Wiccan being a good Surfer card, maybe even with Quicksilver and Domino as the deck would have no shortage of good 3 drops. Play Wiccan on turn four (usually an awkward turn for a Surfer deck) and all of a sudden you have a ton of extra energy for Gwenpool and all your other 3 drops. You'd probably also want to run Crystal to get the extra draw.
Wiccan will be really bad, but he probably finds a home in some hyper-niche combo deck that obliterates the opponent every like, 16 games. Maybe something that plays QS, domino, some good 3 (cass nova, glad, copycat, etc.), wiccan, wave+nick fury, modok+hela.
maybe a silver surfer deck would make wiccan a good card? turn 1.quicksilver 2: domino, 3: any of your many 3 drops, 4: wiccan, 5: serra or wong and one of many 3 drops 6: and then dump 4 3 drops on turn six if sera or two if wong. seems a bit clunky but maybe?
Marvel Boy is the only card I'm gonna pull for and I'm happy to save for the September move cards. Speed seems like a very generically solid card but something that should probably be in pool 2 or 3. I don't really know how to build a decent Wiccan deck. You need to smooth your curve perfectly but have enough big drops to make him worthwhile. Quicksilver, Zabu and Psylocke will be key but then what? Hulkling will definitely steal cubes but it still doesn't seem worth it. Kate Bishop is the card of the season. I can't wait to try her in a bounce/collector/move package.
Kate bishop , the new"Nico Minoru" . Will she have the same impact in the game , as Nico Minoru ? move meta , and bounce will come. Hmm .. Wiccan .. it's gonna be kinda hard to find a home .. but it's ok , it's not bad . No downsides , as 4-7 , i think of him as "clough" decks , or ramp decks . Speed .. hmm.. 50/50 .. i think will go in shadows .. very quick .. there are much better 3 drops .. as 3-4 , 3-1 , 3-2 .. even gladiator , it's better .. or baron zemo .. Marvel boy .. HUGE in zoo , or thanos .. Emperor hulkling = SERSI ,will brin chaos , not as much as Sersi , but a little chaos !! ❤ 😂😂😂
