Katrin Davidsdottir and the Liver King are no Different 

I think it boils down to a similar thing as the Chris Hemsworth fitness app. Deceptive marketing is unethical. I don't feel bad for this guy. His whole marketing plan is based on selling the idea that if you workout hard, follow his "tenets" you too can look like him. He will get no sympathy from me. Especially when there's a whole generation of young men looking at him as the ideal body goal.

Wait. Pause at 7:45 - Under the "non bodybuilding related foods" he notes that his wife makes a colostrum ice cream. Isn't colostrum breast milk? Did we just gloss over that his wife makes breast milk ice cream?

The problem with the liver king is he tells everyone he is natty and he tells teenagers you can get like that naturally. You just need to keep following his 9 tenants for 30 years. I saw a pic of him from 2018. His wife was bigger than him.

Sorry Andrew, I may get pelters for this but I can’t agree. It’s not the message that’s the factor here - it’s the lies. The denial. And the selling of an image and lifestyle which he suggests is achievable without the assload of steroids. Cutting him slack here on the basis of his mission statement or on his good intentions would be a bit like saying that if it turned out that after all the speculation and rumours that you’ve covered so well around the heart rate monitoring of the latest whoop were in fact totally true and their numbers were totally inaccurate, that it then doesn’t matter because whoop have got people moving and got people monitoring their sleep and listening to their body etc. We all knew he was on gear. Much like we all know the latest whoop doesn’t work. However valid the mission statement - the confirmation that it’s based on lies is what matters. And, making money or whatever other kind of personal gain based on lies and other peoples willingness to believe them to be truth is not ok. There’s already far too much of this in the CrossFit and fitness space in general. Let’s not normalise it or make excuses for it please.

Kat and LiverKing are different, Bro. The LiverKing's juice is all based on a lie. Its as if he said I'll show everyone how a build the best house in the world for free with materials that comes from the forest. Then LK shows you the materials he used, how he assembled them, how to overcome the issues he encountered, but at the end, you find out someone gave him $10M worth of store bought materials and that's how he built it for free, technically. Would you be mad that he said you could build the same beautiful house for free or would you say to yourself, okay, I just need to get $10M?

He has a great message. And no good reason to lie to his followers and consumers. He chose to lie about steroids for personal gain. I think people are just tired of being lied to. It's not just about Liver King. No hate here. But, imo, he's just another (hard working) charlatan. The world is a circus sideshow at this point. He just wants to pitch his tent.

Liver King sounded desperate AF in those emails... what a clown... the dudes a Salesman through and through

Hilarious reading the excuses Liver King Stans will use for that clown

Natty or Not - Noah Olsen

I think the issue is there’s a slippery slope. When he starts to play like he’s never done drugs and saying it’s beneath him it’s a form of narcissism. He’s saying do what I do and be a super human like me. We are saying it’s okay to be a liar and manipulate people as long as you have a good message. I’m big on integrity so for me personally I think it’s unfortunate.

Here’s the thing. He’s misrepresented his entire ethos. That there is the issue. Mission statements are always fun to look at. I remember when red bull got sued bc someone didn’t get wings haha

My female comparison to the Liver King, is Stefi Cohen. She is genetically gifted, yes. But it's so blatantly obvious she's enhanced. But not only does she deny it and pretend like her physique is totally natural, but if you even comment on any of her posts about it, your comment gets deleted and you get blocked. She is doing exactly what LK did. But she's an attractive female so all the simps let it go. She needs to be outed just as he was

Dude watch your video and tell us what the hell is going on with the eyebrows that move 8 inches in either direction constantly.

I can’t believe that you are rationalising his behaviour. Boy as a society we have gone backwards so far. Anyone defending his out and out lies drop a notch in the respect stakes for me.

Did he screw anybody? In my opinion ye. He set unrealistic expectations for young body builders "who don't know". Which could lead them to steroid use because they conclude they have bad genetics.

Hey Andrew Hitler. I love your channel! 😃🙏

The only way I feel bad for the Liver King is that he doesn't appreciate what he has. Dude was fit before the TRT. And the lying about it - comes off as being done to promote his brand, which lines his pocket. He needs to just put a shirt on and recognize he's human and doesn't need to look like the Hulk every day. And to just be open about the TRT. Nobody cares when you admit it. Not like he's competing in any athletic events.

I hated the Katrin and Tia and many others did that shit

Good or bad message, I can’t handle a hypocrite. For me it’s the worst. If your message is good and really changes lives for the better, then that all you need. All he’s showing people is that the ancestral tenants are not really enough. Actions always do the talking.

I get that he wanted to get his 9 ancestral tenants out there, but those are very basic fitness things that people already know, like we all know sleep is important. And guys like James smith, Layne Norton, and Peter Attia, didn’t need to take steroids to get their message out about their principles, so the blatant lying is a problem, that’s assuming he didn’t want this to get leaked like you alluded to

Protein shake is not ancestral living.

Giving Greg the credit for any Crossfit Athlete success is just not true. They are famous for being good at their sport, just like any other sport. Their hard work got them their.

Fake nattys, all of them

Even when I don't agree with you, I usually appreciate the perspective you bring to an isssue. This wasn't the case with this video. The Liver King is a liar, a manipulator, and a purveyor of false and even dangerous information. To compare this to Katrin Davidsdottir criticism of Sid Glassman is bizarre. You said the only reason she had the kind of impact she did is because she's a two time games winner. SO WHAT. Colin Kaepernick was effective because he was a starting NFL quarterback who'd played in the Super Bowl. Mohammed Ali brought more eyes on the war in VietNam by refusing to be drafted becquse he was the heavyweight champion. Greg Glassman's comments got so much play because he was the head of crossfit, not some old guy in a bar. Katrin took a courageous position- risking being blackballed by CrossFit to take a stand. If you admire Gregg, regardless of his racist comment, great. But, it is unfair, and beneath the person I thought you were, to criticize Katrin as being the shame as a liar and charlatan. You should watch the Sika Strength video "Liver King Apologizes....Not Really.

The Liver King should have just gotten into CrossFit and literally nobody ever would have questioned his drug use. It’s just hard work bro, he’s genetically gifted, he’s the male Dani Speegle.

OMG. Stop it. Just stop. I can't watch this anymore. Defending a thieving liar, you have a questionable place on the moral spectrum, sir.

I agree, I think the "leak" is to perfect

liver king - the ultimate altruist. lol an ethos -- and supplement *sales* -- dependent on fraud. (cool story, tho, andrew.)

You also talk too fast and you create the effect of an extended rant. You totally support lying to people and you believe that LK did it for us. Not to make money. He did it for us. Your reasoning is off on so many points. Not worth going through each one. Don't have time.

This is such a fucking stretch.

I actually commented on Annie’s post about Greg saying exactly the same thing you say around 17:10 and got blasted. Nice to know I’m not the only person with this view.

It's disgusting, these people mess up young peoples heads with unrealistic body images and expectations

Maybe he should work on his sleep hygiene before trying to take some further help with his "extra fat", just sayin'.

Another day another snake oil salesman

Tia...

Can we get Tovar on the Sevan Podcast? Or is there bad blood there? No pun intended

I don't know who has the better message, but the notification alerts were funny af.

It really doesn't matter what Tovar thinks about her interview. She cool? Good. As a listener it was skeevy as all get up. Stevan's questions were downright sexist, intrusive and way WAY out of line. I'm glad that Tovar was cool but man that was one shitty interview to listen to.

Money n greed

So many imaginary influencers Pinocchio 🤥

Has Kat confirmed, she's on gear

This video seems like aderall-fueled stream of consciousness nonsense.

Are you giving him a pass for cheating Mr no-rep?

Don’t care who KD is, irrelevant.

*EVERY* internet fitness guy - "Calling out the liver kings steroid use whilst using them himself" 🤣👍

12 hours away at that time of year is Thailand >> VigorousSteve

People should start THINKING for themselves more and stop drooling over the stories that help them sleep better at night. Honesty starts with taking a hard look at and a hard talk with the person in the mirror.

On the JP video you stated that you would lie for $250k, pretty low price to sell your integrity for. Liver king sells his soul for $100 million. Lesson, put your effort into listening to people that don't have a price. #TRUTH

Your vid is very good 👏👏👏👏, I can respectfully suggest you to avoid introducing those loud noises, I believe that you don't need them, you are a well spoken guy and the rest of your edition is very good too, no need to overload, cheers.

The end does not justify the means. This guy lied over and over about how eating liver could give you the physical image he has. The guy owns a supplement company so his only goal was to sell supplements. According to your logic if I kill someone take their money and give it to charity it's cool. The guy did deceitful things to line his pockets. Disgusting.

But he cheeeeaaaaateeeeed!!!

The I AM OUT thing was hilarious. Bunch of smooth brains thinking they are making a point. Backfired deliciously

What exactly is your point here? That the Liver King's end justifies the means? Despite the fact he doesn't practice what he preaches and repeatedly denies the real path he took to getting house af in order to sell supplements to the common person? And Katrin is 'the same' because she took a stand against the undoubtedly racist and misogynistic CEO of the company that provided the platform for her original success? You made a name for yourself calling out bad reps and drug cheats, only to stay relevant by openly going on drugs and no longer needing reps as you can't compete again. Talk about that for a video.

Mike “natty for life” o’hearn hahahahahaha

Katrin is the worst. Had her run, now she's latched on to the B.B. and that pro hockey fella trying to hang on to whatever "fame" she has left.

That was really well done 👍

Why don’t you own a CrossFit gym anymore?

We in this community understand that doing all the things under the sun to be healthy the way he was doing is going to go much further than just adding GH to your normal, sedentary routine. I think adding in his 9 tenets to your life is good, but he's undermining his business, meaning his supplement companies, by his hormone use. He could have gotten 99% of his gains by walking around barefoot and eating liver, and gotten the last 1% from pharmacology. But we'll never actually know, because he's taking tons of GH and who knows what else now. He just turned his own product into snake oil by not being natural.

Great video Andrew!

"He has a good message and he found the way to spread it to the world", yeah, or maybe he wanted to become rich and he has found the fastest way to do so "Say some basic shit about living healthy, start talking about eating raw liver and then start selling a raw liver look-a-like supplement". Then repeat with every other supplement by his company. I'm honestly done with this pletora of gurus trying to tell you how to live your life at its best, I would say everyone at this point knows they should be eating vegetables, walk outside, and other basic stuff you can find on any other fitness social account, the only difference here is how effective you are at selling your image and how much money can you make with marketing. That's it. There's no "he had good intentions", cause what he's doing here is selling the shortcut so you don't have to eat liver like him, and that's the mentality of 70-80% of people buying these kind of supplements online. Same goes for the rest of his messaging. Good messaging is effective and free when it comes to healthy lifestyle. You don't need my supplement or my book to eat better and walk more.

Best video yet!

I do not see the relevance at all between the two. “No different”? Greg made a bad call, even Reebok pulled their sh*t. How do you compare the lies of Liver King to her as “no different”?

Oh phck … where is 🦇going with this one?

EXCEPT - one lied about PED use in what looks to have been an attempt to increase his popularity and sell his products based on a fraudulent persona, and the other just showcased what hard work and committed dieting can do for the human body. So - actually pretty far apart on the scale of humans.

I think he genuinely got busted and was forced to make a public apology to save face. I do not think this whole ordeal was premeditated; he was simply careless in the beginning, rubbed some people the wrong way, and kept doubling down on his natty status. If he just would have evaded the question like any other celebrity people would care a lot less. But his decidedly non-natty appearance and boldface lying about PED is just too much for people especially when it contrasts so sharply with his message. He's in damage control mode now and who knows if the liver king persona will survive. What I think he'll do is make a disclaimer that everything he takes is "doctor-prescribed" and it helps him live his best life and you should talk to your doctor too before starting anything. And maybe he'll recover if he's honest with the public and finds some way to integrate that with his whole ancestral living message...but it will take some time for people to see him as something other than a charlatan.

A message can be good for you but if the message comes from a charlatan who has lied the entire time the message disappears into the background of the conversation just as his message is no longer the topic of conversation. Also what was the main goal and I'd disagree as to how much the personal gain was his main goal. Agree on the Katrin and others within the industry as well though, he did have a message that he is basically following, kind of, though I am fairly certain his message was follow these 9 principles and you can be in as good of shape as me, not true, not even close to true. You are right though, the problem isn't liver king, or Katrin or any other influencer, the problem is us. Why do you have to look like him or her in order to be listened to regarding health.....

He shouldn’t have lied. but here is the thing: gen pop will believe if he WASNT on steroids that he would look 10million times different. He would look different, but looking at his lifestyle, it wouldn’t be 10 milxxxxx diff lol. he would still be yoked

I’ve followed him the whole time. I suspect that a lot of people followed for the same reasons I did…to see how long he could hold this grift up. Anyone my age who’s also worked out for decades already knew. We been waiting for this moment for a while

I think we are slowly being open to the use of steroids, and this is a good spot for the liver king since it shows the extent of what one can do esp at mid life. I wouldn't be surprised if he went with it and sold it (directly/indirectly)

4:50 hiller's got all that roid rage now (this is a joke)

Can you do a video on eating raw liver? Love ya videos

Thank you for giving an honest opinion! Great job!

You and Sevan rock, love y'all's stuff! However - what's your take on him directly lying about not taking PEDs? How much do you weigh that in the large scheme of things? Curious to know! Where I grew up overseas honesty isn't as valued as something like loyalty, for instance (sounds kind of funny but it's true).

I never bought any of the liver kings products. But at the end of the day...he’s a LIAR. I would have rather seen what the 9 ancestral tenants actually did if he didn’t use PEDs. Now the world will never know. 😅

Nice thumbnail!

Riod rage?

@15:40 lol

Speaking of Katrin. Her posts have become nothing but overly rehearsed videos and/or posed photos. Zero substance.

He’s not exactly the boogeyman… He’s the guy you sent to train the boogeyman in elite fitness

This is probably the best take I’ve heard yet. The Dude had a plan to get his message out and has actually helped people. The steroid thing doesn’t really matter. For me, it’s just hard to listen to a liar.

This is a really cool take. Most anyone who has been around a gym for a significant part of their life knows when somebody is using no matter what they actually admit (insert the Rock clip). That doesn't change the work it takes (which Liver King is obviously putting in). The blatant dishonesty about using does bother me though. I can say with certainty we all have our blind spots. There are things in my life where I'm not even truly being honest with myself. I think that's where people like Katrin may fall and it speaks to what you pointed out about her. Take the log out of your own eye, then you can see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

I felt bad for the guy too.. yeah he lied about it but still he’s just a regular dude with his own problems. Nobody’s perfect and he had his business before the lover king figure was a thing and it didn’t gain him very much more money by saying he’s natty. He should’ve just came out and said it. But still he’s just a regular guy that dug himself too deep.

Did you see the liver kings apology? Cringe

Interesting and accurate commentary as always!!! Good Job!!

Who has got the better message?

You're the best keep it up! I fully agree with your messaging here.

you are so good

The notifications were awesome XD

I think the Liver King set the bait and MorePlates MoreDates took it.

I think Liver King calculated. He is a good businessman, and does not seem naïve, so he had to have known that he could not keep those e-mails secret if he was signing his name and using his company e-mail address. I do not like that he lied, but his methodology is great and I will still buy his products. Interesting comparison to Greg Glassman!

I really like your message about the liver king. He had a mission and he accomplished it. His intentions were good however he did it was somewhat questionable. He influenced people to do better less electronics, more bare foot, eat more organ meat instead of only the muscle meat. I for myself eat plantbased however I’m always open and eager to listen to people who do the opposite. Ofcourse I knew this man wasn’t natural but still his philosophy is something else. I liked the fact that he said from head to tale. I am from the Caribbean and we always ate like that. Eating the stomach, liver etc we used the whole animal not like the meat industry today how we throw the things away or process it to something that is unhealthy for the humanbody. All by all I think the liver king message should stay eventhough he has lied about his “nattyness”. Be healthy everyone and have a nice day.

Great take Hiller!

Wow, this is my favorite Video you have made so far - while everyone is giving him shit you first break down neatly what happened and then give a wholesome way to approach the matter - I'm actually thinking about following the liverking now - he just became a lot more approachable for me!

Great video Hiller!

Killin it @hillerfit

Great way to look at it all. Dammit you almost blew my car speakers out with that John Cena thing though hahah.