Seriously , Southgate's not entitled to any criticism ?!?! What a load of BS from a couple of apologists ...... I've said it before , England's recent successes have been in spite of Southgate , not because of him ..... all that generational talent going to waste.
If you actually listen he said a lot of the criticism became personal attacks. It was the right time to go but England fans and media are proper A holes.
What planet is Kaveh on? As a chief football correspondent surely his football knowledge should be better than this? “Lots of offers from clubs and national sides” “should have stayed” Saying anyone who criticises Southgate CLEAR lack of tactics, changes, terribly poor selections is nonsense? 🤣🤣 Come on.
@@Coolagreen16 you mean objective facts that we can both agree upon? Sure... before Southgate we had not qualified for multiple tournaments, we scraped through against Greece in the last kick of the game and I remember got a well earned draw against Italy under hoddle to qualify. Southgate qualified for every tournament comfortably with games to spare. Before him we had not won a KO game for 10 years. He has gotten us to 2 finals losing one on pens, and 1 sf, 1st manger ever to lead us to a final on foreign soil,objectively he has the best British record of any other manager than Alf Ramsey,there is nothing I have said there that isn't objectively true, all facts
Can we stop acting like Southgate was just a volunteer giving freely of his time? He was one of the highest paid international managers. He made about £40 million over his 8 years and also got out coached and out thought in the games that matter. Spains coach earns 1/5 of what he earns and has only 2 years in the job and completely out did him tactically. We all saw how bad the team was set up all tournament and just kept scraping results over the line.
Exactly lol. Southgate is a really poor manager and has no clue tactically. He always had one of the best squads and in this euro he had the best squad. He is also the luckiest manager of all time as he got lots of easy draws and players saved him with last minute goals.
@@benjaminkajkic2314 Apples and oranges in my opinion. Capello had no background coaching in England, barely spoke English, and it’s well documented now by Ferdinand, Lampard, Gerrard, etc that those players had their club team cliques and hated playing together for England. I appreciate Southgate bringing harmony and balance to the squad since 2018 but he’s a safe pair of hands and we now need to take the next step towards figuring out how to get this group of players playing cohesive football together.
Look at both the goals, all result from our defenders being too slow to track runs, can’t blame Southgate for his players not doing what they’re instructed to do
@@joshd8777 well you can because he’s the coach and the one being paid to structure the team. And he’s had 8 years. Spains coach has had 2 years and Germanys coach has had 9 months and they both had their teams playing a better structure of football and knowing their roles. Bellingham was screaming at him to makes changes and within a minute or two he subbed out Kane who was once again anonymous in one of the biggest games of his life.
“Since when have we judged England managers on the basis of how many major trophies they’ve won?” Since always - it’s literally the one goal of a football manager. This is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever heard.
Kaveh wasn’t it you talking smack about Southgate after the start of the tournament? Now you’re here acting sad and like he was your best friend 😂 it’s quite entertaining to watch the bs spew… smh
Yes, we are telling you that despite his 35 years in football he doesn’t know how to set up a team, substitute correctly, create a system and style of play. We have 8 years of evidence. He’s a great man, he’s done a lot for this team, but he’s not an elite coach and has had 2 huge chances to win the Euros and on both occasions the team lost due to tactical set up and style of play.
@@THEReesa92 no it makes the point. GS has not delivered in the final stages... Why as he has played half decent sides. Its easier now to go through the tournaments, as it is set up for seeded teams to get through.
Show me the 'PERSONAL' criticism! Criticism of your actions just because it hurts your fee fee's does not make the attacks 'personal'. All criticism has professional, Do brush it off as noise and personal attacks is weak and shows that you're not willing to improve professionally.
I think he means booing of his name when teams read out and throwing of a few plastic cups. Sad really what the media try and do. The criticism wasn't about his dress sense or his family or anything personal. It was about his ability as a manager of an elite team. They are trying to spin the narrative that because he's got to 2 finals he must be good. What they arent factoring in the argument is the level of players at his disposal. If turkey or denmark had got to the final, that's an achievement, but it's the least England could expect with the raft of domestic winners in their squad. If you count up the CL winners, league winners, fa cup winners medals in that england team I bet it's by far the most decorated team in the tournament. Managing to scrape through against minnows with minutes to go or on penalty's and scam the way to the final is meant to be an achievement we should be proud of according to these guys. And it's all our fault for bullying Safegate
England need an attack oriented coach who brings the best out of the talented players putting them in the right position and picking them on form to create a cohesive attacking team
I agree with everything you said except form, players should be picked to fit a system, that’s how you win international tournaments, we need a system, if kanes playing he needs runners, if not then foden saka and bellingham need Watkins on the pitch to get in behind and we can’t have conflicting tactics like that
This is what we achieved after 58 years, to have young talented players and togetherNess, if Bobby Robson or Terry Venables had these players back then I promise you we would've won few trophies by now,this country invented football and we are nowhere. Something is massively wrong here !
Good riddance! Southgate's level of management is Sunday Pub team level. Paid 5 million quid a year to be defensive, boring, tactically inept and when he talks it's enough to put you in a coma. Truly, truly awful manager. If he's that great we'll see how many top clubs come calling. Guarantee it will be a big fat zero. 🤡🤡👋👋👋
For sure. That’s why Bellingham was rightly shouting at him. Id be so stressed if I had to play in that system. These are mostly excellent players in the England team, being made to look worse due to poor overall team selection.
I feel that Southgate's issue was that he had more talent on the pitch than many of the teams that beat him. He wasn't the difference-maker you need a manager to be.
Thank you Gareth. I’m 30. Gave me some of my highest highs and lowest lows! But we need to remember the squad Gareth took on at that time. We was Back off euro 16 Iceland loss, Sam allardyce debarcle. And we felt further away from our national team more than ever before. You put us back together and took us to TWO finals. A semi final and quarter final. Players should also hold just as much responsibility as a manager. But onwards and upwards I categorically agree now is the time. But Thankyou!
Typical media with their heads up his arse, watch the 2 finals again and tell me he is a good coach, he is tactically inept and only focuses on favourites, you appoint the Middlesborough manager and you get the Middlesborough team, and what did he do with Boro, he lucked out during this Euros, struggled against teams we should overpower, and Kaveh saying Southgate knows about tactics, you clearly need to change your career if you can't see what the entire country sees, again, I implore you watch the 2 finals again and come back and try saying the same thing, Southgate is so safe he would wear a life vest in the shower, and what does safe get you? A 2nd place medal, on to the next 1
Wow these 2 are shilling hard. Tipical sky sports journalists. Bet Gareth had them in camp with the boys. Just salty one of their yes boys isnt in the job now.
wtf am I listening to here… ‘better than sir Alf Ramsey’ ‘The Ppl Saying tactically he’s not great are ridiculous’ Have I been watching the wrong tournament?
Under Southgate in tournament football, England scored a total of 4 goals in their 2 Finals, 1 Semi-Final and 1 Quarter-Final. That has been the problem - just not enough attacking football providing goals. To put in comparison Germany scored nearly double England's goals in just one Semi-Final, when they beat Brazil 7-1.
Potter is likely to be the next man in. He’s English, has managed in the Prem, not currently in work, needs to rebuild his reputation after Chelsea and no compensation payable to secure his services.
Media needs to give their head a wobble. Why are they clamouring for a manager that 1. Picked 1 left back who wasnt fully fit to play until the final 2. Tried to experiment in a vital position during the group stage with Trent and Gallagher 3. The Kalvin Phillips comment 4. Deploying tactics that completely negate world class players and their strengths then wondering why it hasn't worked 5. Isnt brave enough to drop the big players or make early subs when the game clearly needed them. I'll never begrudge the job he's done has a whole because I've witnessed previous england managers since Venables. He has created an outstanding culture within the national team and laid down a brilliant foundation for the next manager. Gareths tactics and in game management are his weaknesses and unfortunately it was exposed in this tournament. Whats annoying me the most is this media outcry that their is nobody better to manage England and we should be careful what we wish for! Give it a rest!
Criticism about us in this tournament has been valid but I think its stale - not that Southgate has been poor overall and thats where some people seem to have a very short memory! We have been good in his other tournaments before this one and he saved us from the bottlejob embarrassment that we used to be. What does annoy me is so many people seem to be legitimising their own hatred of Southgate by saying a load of stuff that isnt true. I think its just because he's intelligent and articulate. Im glad he's walking away now he deserves better than some of our fans!
That is just a misrepresentation. Here in Holland the major TV channel experts are equally harsh about SG. Van der Vaart judged the approach of England harshly. Steve Mc Manaman was quite vocal about this too. Other journalists on ESPN.. It's quite mainstream and logical that we should expect the most expensive and valued national team in the world to perform more dominantly, do keep the ball better, to adapt better to changes in the opposite team. If anything, Southgate's personal qualities that he undoubtedly has and the changes he has managed to make quite ingeniously around the team, have clouded the degree to which he was out of his depth. Perhaps things could have worked out if he had had his personal stature, man management and social skills, complemented by a more modern set of coaches alongside him, like Queiroz was to Fergie or Flick and Loew used to be, perhaps this would have worked.
This level of punditry lol... Southgate HAS to be a good tactician because he's been a player and a coach for 35 years? Stupidest thing I've heard today
i am bodly calling out sky sports. Rob and kaveh were crticizing southgate at the tourament. Not being direspectful but how comes they talk stuff that does not make sense
If I look at the big picture of Gareth Southgate's reign, he has taken England to a higher level, and I commend him for that. In the 2018 WC he exceeded expectations by taking England to a SF. However, in that game he handed the initiative to Croatia, and lost the game. If he had learnt from that and not repeated the same mistake in Euro 2020(1), England would finally have won a tournament, that for me was the big, missed opportunity. They may have gone into WC 2022 and Euro 2024 with a different mindset, really believing that they can win tournaments. Instead, they adopted a cautious approach and when they came up against quality opposition, they succumbed. Spain 2024 are a better team than Italy 2020(1), they strolled to the final, while England scrapped and scraped their way there. I hope whoever takes over, can take the team to the next level.
Thank you, Gareth, you've given us some great memories, we've seen some great players, some great games, however............ It's time we had a change, some new thinking, some new players and some refreshing ideas. England Forever!!!🏴✌️
This guy sounds like hes from Southgates PR team, what utter nonsense. The criticisms of Southgate have been totally valid. Obviously the abuse was totally wrong but thats a small minority of fans
I think he's done really great some games he could of changed things but he's done way better than the last several mangers good look for his future I remember when he took a penalty for England like Stuart peace and to see his team score like they did total respect
I'm really impressed by the decision Southgate took not to continue as an England's head coach, it reminded me of the time Tata Martino announced departure from Argentina team after losing Copa America 2016. Therefore, it's going to be hard to find a new manager for England after what Gareth did.
The media do take a U turn. Blaming it all on the fans whilst they dish out criticism as much as anyone. And also “tactically” sound…wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that the media been criticising his tactics and calling us lucky to get through? Don’t backtrack.
There´s a certain demographic of person who is going to insist that the next manager plays intense, fast paced attacking football, then spends the next 2 years criticising players for saying that they get tired and play too many games, then will act shocked when the England team look exhausted playing Miami, LA and Mexico City in July and we get put out of our misery in ET the last 16 🤣
Correct.. let's play high pressing football at 4pm in Mexico City during the summer and then criticise the Manager for not playing Antony Gordon when to play him you'd have to bench Foden or Bellingham. Lets bring in Kevin Keegan and and Terry McDermott to take us forward!
Southgate comes across like the Grail knight, Sir Percival, the most gracious and innocent of the Knights of the Round Table. Percival came closest in the Grail Quest but was simply unable to grasp the Holy Grail because he thought to much, as he later confessed, he realized that he did not have the required faith. There are times you need a Mordred. They may be unthinking, cruel, and vicious, they may betray you BUT that's the price you pay for success. You were a waste of time Sir Southgate. Now for a Mordred, "Leader, Leader, Leader!"
I've no doubt that Southgate is a wonderful human being who endeared himself to both players and the media. But, here's the but. At no stretch of the imagination can anyone consider or think of Southgate as an elite coach and tactician. His list of tactical errors is numerous and not just in Euro 2024 Happy retirement, Gareth. Now, the FA has to find that elite coach who can mould England's generational talent into a cohesive team that will get bums off seats
Give GS the knighthood “ that’s what we do for second best ,you all said he deserved when made the final , also give everyone the day off , for coming second best ….we’re mentally no good enough , and bottled it , when we Palmer scored the equalizer, we went defensive and it cost us the final .. forget the WC , because they are a lot more big teams to play against at the WC, we need Pep “ in as our New England manager.
When kane came out for the second half, and after we equalised, then went deep defence again instead of going at spain, just showed Southgate's limitations, just not brave enough to have a real go at spain, Southgate is a really great guy, he did unite england players and fan's, the most continued success since 66. But it was the defeat to italy. We had them at 1-0 and never pressed for a 2nd. We got deeper and deeper against an average Italian team, i do think he should be knighted. We now need a manager to take us one step further and win a major tournament. The FA. Need to show ambition and make a good offer to klopp, sadly they won't, and will appoint a safe, yes man, who will conform to the FA's mediocre way of boring stability, when we have the players for attacking rock nroll football.
One thing about southgate he knew kane wasnt good and was injured but he still did not drop him spain had it easy in that final it was one sided when a final shouldnt be
Supporters' voices on social media, down the pub, or at work are as important, if not more so, than the media clique on here who are paying homage to Southgate and the way he set up his teams throughout the Euros. Southgate turned a group of exciting and talented pros into a bore fest There is no way that anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the beautiful game could describe Southgate as an elite coach and tactician.
I think Southgate fell short when it came to in-game player changes and in sticking to players like Kane who simply were not performing well from the start. Otherwise, I think Southgate did well and there is a need perhaps for us to reign in our perception of just how good our players are, whether individually or as a team, as I think a lot of the responsibility falls on their shoulders for not performing close to their best. We only saw brief fleeting moments of brilliance which showed what they can do and it was in those moments that got us over the line. The question is, aside from not playing free flowing attacking players like Palmer from the start, why don’t the players show that kind of gusto consistently or more frequently during games?
The major thing with this whole England situation can be explained by The Dunning-Kruger effect, it is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. In laymans terms you may watch an England game and think you know better but actually you are just a partial observer thinking you know more than actual trained individuals.
Thank you very much, Mr. Gareth Southgate. Now, a suggestion for the FA: after 58 years, it is time to prioritize making the right decisions. The national football team manager should have greater credibility than managers at the club level.
