Trial by tabloid is an awful thing to behold, let alone endure, and for Matthew to have taken Frank to task in a consummate professional manner was great to behold 👍
Matthew Kelly said in a separate interview they the producers wanted to stop filming but, Frank Skinner insisted they carried on filming. Kelly said he admired Skinner for that.
02:59 - interesting when Skinner mentions if Matthew has ever joked about Michael Barrymore, and Matthew says "certainly not on TV". He obviously forgot his opening monologue of the "Stars in their Eyes Champion of Champions" special where he said "Arsenal went up the table, Liverpool went down the table and Michael Barrymore went under the table."
Two wrongs don't make a right. true that comedy is dying a death today because of woke politics, but calling someone a pedo when there not is libel character defamation and surely there are laws against that.That shit sticks.
Both people must have got over this as according to Frank’s autobiography ‘on the road’ Matthew Kelly played Harry the homeless man in the recorded but never to be aired second series of Frank’s sitcom ‘Shane’. Frank takes comfort from Matthew’s words ‘well we got paid’. All roughly two years after this interview.
Completely disagree with Maffew and Jack that Frank "squirmed". Think about the way comedians respond to criticism nowadays, backing down and apologising. Frank has the man he told jokes about sitting opposite him and still calmly and rationally defends his role as a comedian.
true that comedy is dying a death today because of woke politics, but calling someone a pedo when there not is libel character defamation and surely there are laws against that. Shit sticks.
@@outsidethepyramid Lol. If you think comedy is dying due to woke politics then I dread to think what you think is funny. Maybe get a better sense of humor that doesn't punch down? 😂 In any case, the jokes in discussion have absolutely nothing to do with "woke politics" and would still be admissible today. I'd advise you find a safe space if you're finding these videos triggering. BTW what you're defining (albeit poorly) is slander not libel. Libel is written, slander is spoken.
True and Kelly is trying to hardest to be intimidating and then claiming he never heard the jokes. Unfortunately for Kelly he chose to buy a house in the paedophile capital of the world and have a 14 year old houseboy looking after it for him. I'm unsure of the exact details but I seem to recall a large amount of child pornography being taken from the house and the 14 year old houseboy admitting to it being his and not Kelly's. Consider that the house is in a dirt poor area of the country and kids will do anything for money, parents so poor they offer their children to western men...
@@c7261 God, look at Apu being removed from the Simpsons and Jerry Sadowitz being banned from Edinburgh Fringe. Censorship from the far left is running rampant and comedy is absolutely being affected. Your head is buried in the sand.
I love this, Matthew Kelly was within his rights to ask the question but I think Frank did well in answering it, he didn’t throw his teddy out of the pram, thought about his responses and didn’t pander or grovel, an actual adult conversation. I’d say well done to both.
I personally think that there's often an assumption with comedy and jokes regarding criminal acts. That being that the comic always genuinely believes someone is guilty or is attempting to suggest they are. The gag I think tends to revolve around the potential myth of the allegations as there would be with racial stereotypes. That said I can see why Kelly may have been unhappy with what happened. It's easy to laugh at jokes like this but we often forget the misery the "target" may be enduring.
I get that too from both sides, but the problem with this one is stigma. Anyone gets accused of child abuse and that's it, the pitch forks are out and the truth be damned. And Matthew Kelly's career never really recovered did it, innocent or not, it ruined him...
I'm just imagining an over-representation of Muslim, black and gay contestants and a PC vibe that makes it awkward to eliminate them. Brucie come back, we miss you :(
I remember seeing this and being terrified of Kelly I had never seen that side of him he's normally jolly and funny but you can tell in this though he was smiling and laughing he was really annoyed by the way he was talking to skinner I was waiting for him to lay into him.
@@TheGlasgowGamer Underneath the laddish, Brummie, 'everybody's best mate' exterior, Skinner is indistinguishable from any of the Islington/Labour/EU set that have a stranglehold on our media
In fairness, there was a month-and-a-bit gap between Kelly being arrested for the alleged charges and his later being cleared (Mid January-late February). If their (Skinner and Badiel) comments were during that period I would think that a simple "but I was cleared" would have elicited a much more positive response from Skinner. At that particular time (2003) there were several cases ongoing, including those against Townshend and another man purported to have been the Bay City Rollers manager.
He's all for free speech and being able to joke about anything in this video, yet when he interviewed Chubby Brown he bollocked him just for not being woke. Hypocrite much?
My memory of it is that Skinner and Baddiel has made some jokes about Kelly being accused of being a nonce. Kelly was cleared, and, fair play to Frank, he gave Kelly a right to reply on his show.
It's a win for Skinner because he defended his position logically. Matthew kelly just looked like he was in a passive-aggressive place and wanted to smack Frank.
Thing is though, why should somebody apologise if they (in this case Skinner) genuinely don't believe they have done anything wrong. Surely in that situation no apology is preferable to an apology lacking any meaning or sincerity.
The fact he doesn't think he's done anything wrong is the real crime here. Kelly was found innocent, and he came out with those jokes later that day. Wrong, wrong, wrong. He should have wanted to apologize.
How can Matthew Kelly say he didn't feel anything personal. Well, if that's the case why did he feel the need to ask Frank about it in the first place???!
Because how often do you get to confront someone about something horrible they said about you? Especially when that person is a public figure with a tv show? Matthew Kelly had a right to confront Frank, and Frank had a right to defend himself.
I think he went through a lot, there were some awful accusations and from the look of things they were unfounded and he's an upright family man, he was just coming out of the mill and he wanted to make one his accusers pay.
Meh, this wasn't nearly as awkward or 'angry' as the comments below suggest. I do like Matthew Kelly, but he should probably have left this alone unless he can prove that he's never made a similar joke, which he can't. To give him the benefit of the doubt I guess you could say he was interested in the psychology behind Skinner's choice to make those kinds of jokes at the expense of someone innocent and deeply suffering, but I think in reality it was bruised ego that brought this out.
I don't know, there is a tendency for comedians to jump on the guilty-until-proven-innocent bandwagon, cause they want to get in there first and be edgy. It's a bit lazy and not very funny, certainly not funny enough to potentially further affect public opinion and turn the subject into the butt of further paedophile jokes. And the jokes they mentioned here are barely playground humour. Sure I could make a similar joke about so and so to a friend, to be shocking or whatever, but I wouldn't use a large public platform which could hurt a potentially innocent person. If guilty then whatever.
exactly such hypocrisy people have here to say kelly was a bad sport, if somebody went on tv and did the same any of you or did it anyway publically would it be funny?
Skinner and baddiell knew what what happened in the 1970s with saville look at the clip during the world cup show they did but they wanted to show something Matthew Kelly knew what happened in that era I feel sorry for him but skinner n baddiel wanted to show something
I see this as a bad move from Matthew Kelly. Maybe, it made him happy to confront a man who had made a rather tasteless joke about him, but it made him out to be quite dark and sinister... especially the whole 'would you like me to hit you'. He could taken it as the idiocy of our TV age. Every day we watch people like Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle ruthlessly yet funnily, rip into people for the sake of comedy, yet Kelly decided to do it publicly, thinking that people would believe his innocence.
I think Skinner was wrong to do that. He keeps comparing him to Glitter and Jackson, but they were guilty. Kelly was cleared, and Skinner's jokes partially damaged his career, although the media had probably already done that.
Jackson was never convicted of anything (though saying that somebody has been either convicted or acquitted ultimately doesn't confirm guilt or innocence to me personally). I'd never been "scared" by Matthew Kelly in the past, but *this* interview really did make me feel frightened by him. That's not to imply either guilt or innocence of what he's been accused of (because there can be MUCH more to these sorts of things than may meet the eye), but I'd not look at him the same way again afterwards. Unfortunately. The issue being as taboo as it is might've done that.
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Everyone's like 'well, this was a great conversation...they both bla bla bla...' The question is, did he actually do it? The jokes are only funny, if it's perceived that he's guilty. And if he wasn't, the jokes only served to slander his name.
Nonsense. He accused an innocent man of being a paedophile for a cheap laugh; then didn’t have the balls to apologise for it, instead standing behind the ‘I’m a comedian’ line.
Shouldn't accuse without knowing the truth cannot stand frank Skinner and that other one good on ya matthew for pulling him up on it should've smacked him one
People who make their living very much "in the public eye" are prone to becoming joke and innuendo fodder for any and all of the gigging comedians who may be operational at that time. Publicised "allegation" is (rightly or wrongly) all it takes for a comedian to KNOW that that there will be some cheap and easy comedic mileage to be had from the subject. That's always been a kind of "unofficial" part of any contemporary, topical comedian's brief.
This man was a top entertainer and presenter and lost his great career over some bull shit rumours. Yet one of the unfunniest comedians in skinner thought he could make jokes about it. .. Good on you Matthew
because it's clear the other person is upset-what's 'funny' or 'harmless' to me may well be offensive to you so if it offends the other person and if they justify it [which matthew did] then just say sorry for causing offense. You don't have to mean it but it still satisfies the offended party and makes you look a good sport, alot of times people [even small kids] don't like apologising as it means swallowing their pride and submitting. As they say sometimes Sorry is the hardest word.-very true
true that comedy is dying a death today because of woke politics, but calling someone a pedo when there not is libel character defamation and there are laws against that. Shit sticks.
Conservatives and the right constantly demonstrate they are as much snowflakes and happy to cancel comedy they don’t like as the ‘woke mobs’ they like to decry. How many of the free speech brigade, as criminally innocent people, would happily take a loaded accusation such as being a paedo as a ‘joke’ and just shrug it off from some smug, middle-class prick comedian? Very few if any is my guess.
I think using guilt as a way to attempt to control someone and get them to follow what you say is typical sexual predator behaviour...courts do get wrong judgements
@@MosesDeLaRoses are you ok tho, I know it's been a stressful time for everyone in the world. You seem upset and I think it's about more than an old Matthew Kelly interview. Try speaking to a friend of family member if you're stressed out mate the comment section of youtube will do you no good. 👍
@@scinformation7229 it's typical human nature though -people don't like admitting fault and will sit and argue their case rather than back down even when they're wrong.
I am sure that Matthew Kelly has made many similar comments on shows like Game for a Laugh when he didn't have to be so PC (due to the nature of the show). I accept that he was wrongly accused and as a result his career must have suffered but that is not Skinner's fault. All Skinner is guilty of is being a comedian that uses current news topics as material but that is mainstream TV comedy. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Skinner looks very uncomfortable, like he really wants to be somewhere else. Matthew looks like he's happy to be making the little runt squirm. And let me remind you of this, dear people, Skinner once said something along the lines of "I'd like to have children... but don't tell their parents" on TV. Funny, eh?
The cliche is that the comedian is the kid who told jokes to make the bully laugh. The thing is that in those situations the kid deflects the bully onto someone else, someone smaller by making jokes about them. In this interview it's like that smaller kid is saying "You made jokes about me so the bully would hit me not you, looking back was that fair? Was it fair for you to get out of the way by hiding behind me" If you put the victim (in this case Kelly) with that joker (Skinner) together in a room as adults and let the victim say "was what you did fair" you get this sort of scenario. It's like a guy who's served 10yrs jail for a crime he didn't commit, being sat down with the guy who framed him. Asking "Is what you did fair" Kelly comes across as creepy etc because he is controlling his anger whilst watching Skinner squirm and hide behind "but you were in the news" Skinner has never been funny. That's why you don't see so much of him any more - except hosting Room 101, where his jokes are scripted by someone else. It's like going to the pub with Michael McIntyre, you'd be bored senseless and probably have to pay for all the drinks.
I can kind of see both men's point. Assuming that Matthew Kelly was wrongly accused, like he claims, you can understand him being hurt by such jokes. I wouldn't want it to happen to me. But Frank Skinner is a comedian who does jokes about topical news. I respect Frank for sticking by what he did. He said there was no malice, and could understand why Matthew was upset. But it was his job, and he didn't apologise either.
@@TheIsambard82 Didn't you know mate? We're supposed to shit ourselves if someone has an Irish surname like they're the hardest race on the globe.... pathetic! Irish surname to me depicts backward hypocrites who imprisoned their own daughters in Magdalene laundries for the crime of being raped.... Graham Norton, yeah very tough!
@@shanefolan Yawn..... The stereotypical Irish idiot was, I thought, just that....a stereotype.... apparently not. How do you steal a country, you moron? If such an act were possible it would not be an exclusively British offence. There was the Turkish Empire...long before us...the Spanish.... the Ottoman... a muslim regime which swept across parts of the globe with terrifying ferocity...but you will excuse those of course. Your jealousy and bitterness is only about 300 years out of date but never mind. I wouldn't be too fast in projecting an air of innocence regarding invading other countries, the Irish invading and stole a third of Scotland and still remain there to this day..... but then, what's historical fact to an embittered Celt with an ancient axe to grind...? Happy riverdancing or whatever you toothless, backward mongs do when you've finished your eating ypur potatoes.
"It was just a joke" is the first response of an abuser; I love Skinner, but this is loathsome. Wonder what he'd a said about Sir Cliff Richard. 'as our kid Skinner ever apologised ?
I've never seen anyone squirm as much as Frank Skinner does here. He looks very uncomfortable. Matthew Kelly certainly came out on top. Skinner's career took a nosedive after this programme, and rightly so.
I think you will find "pedo" is an acceptable term. Also, it was a joke he is acting the way the media make out a peadophile to act, i.e. the weird looks and the uncomfortable way he acted. As I said It was a joke,chill out.
I hope the current fad of being an SJW apologist stops .... and those that champion it apologise .... For example, when the truth about Kelly comes out !!!
