KelTec KSG vs Smith & Wesson M&P12

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In this video, Eric compares and contrasts the two most popular bullpup shotguns out there, the ‪@KelTecWeapons‬ KSG and the ‪@SmithAndWessonInc‬ M&P 12.
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@paytonkeller7074 10 месяцев назад

I have a KSG 12 and I love it. Some tritium sights, a magpul fore grip, and nice flashlight and you have a fantastic home defense tool.

@watermann8200 10 месяцев назад

Imagine the round count using 1-3/4 shorty #4 buck

@paytonkeller7074 10 месяцев назад

I’ve done that before I can’t remember the exact number but it will hold over 20 of them

@tylermallory2504 10 месяцев назад

100% agree with everything you just said except KSG...

@kh8655 10 месяцев назад

@@tylermallory2504 good for you

@jarrettm3728 10 месяцев назад

Ksg not enough metal mnp12 to much metal

@seandunaway2628 7 месяцев назад

Some people be missing the reload point, if you shot 14+ shells and they didnt get the job done you drop the shotty and go to your pistol...

@m.danielmills7091 4 месяца назад

Right because think about it like this. If you're shooting a traditional 9 pellet 00 buck, you're essentially shooting off 126 projectiles with those 14 shots. Each one nearly the diameter of a 9mm. Any one of which has lethality out to 100 yards.

@nkdfun 2 месяца назад

If the intruders are sticking around after 14 shots, then you've got something they really want bad! They usually scatter after the first shot.

@m.danielmills7091 2 месяца назад

@@nkdfun For SURE

@deautrs79 2 месяца назад

100% AGREE!!!!

@bakamonkeyfun1593 Месяц назад

There is an old saying " switching to your side arm is faster than reloading. "

@m.danielmills7091 4 месяца назад

I'm a DP12 man myself. Built like a tank. Nothing cheap on it. 2 taps available per rack. Nuff said. I can't believe that shotty doesn't get more love on these channels. Hickock, his son John and Larry Vickers are really the only people I've seen show it a lot of love. Vickers' video on it is AWESOME btw.

@dancain7565 10 месяцев назад

As always, great video Eric!

@jackgreenstalk777 10 месяцев назад

Well done review and comparison. Great stuff per usual, Eric 👍

@scooter433 10 месяцев назад

I have a DP-12 from Standard Man. 16 shot. Totally love it

@nuclearfish010 9 месяцев назад

I love my ksg. Any ksg made in the last 5 years probably... Is actually really nice. They really perform well. Really the most badass shotgun on the market

@chipsdubbo5.56 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video man!

@BugsyNY 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Eric for another informative video.

@nonopopo1985 10 месяцев назад

Kel-Tec also had the first micro compact 10+1 9mm pistol with the P11, which came out in 1995. Well before the Sig P365. Sure it had a 3000lb trigger pull, but it was still the first of it's kind.

@RCXDerp 10 месяцев назад

You have to admit the P365 shoots really good though

@tomisamish 10 месяцев назад

I have a p11 and it's kinda garbage. For the p365 to fully catch up they will need to release it in .40 and .357 sig

@johnqpublic2718 10 месяцев назад

@@tomisamishor just not be garbage

@larrrs3 10 месяцев назад

He had the grendel p10 in 1988 11 rounds of 380.

@arronlaceration 10 месяцев назад

I got a XD mod 2 9mm that holds 14 and it's nearly the same footprint of the sig gun. I never understood the hype.

@ethanbeshea3498 10 месяцев назад

Thank you I was looking for a video like this 3 hours ago

@thevoyageur2152 9 месяцев назад

Great vlog! As for copying designs to me it’s similar to when pumps shotguns came out everyone started making one but just a little different. Evolution of the BULLPUMP.

@billydurbin8165 10 месяцев назад

Goodmorning. Thanks for the ksg content.

@huntermichaud6074 19 часов назад

Great video thanks for the info and comparison! Looking at getting a kel tec ksg

@eyesnearstactical 10 месяцев назад

I definitely love my KSG-15! You right! You have to man handle it when racking. Great comparison video. 👍🏾

@eyesnearstactical 10 месяцев назад

@@rsh4599 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fa real!! Deebo! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

@j.p.4541 10 месяцев назад

Great review Eric, I own a KS7 and it’s nice to shoot with short shells and very maneuverable.

@codyjenn8785 10 месяцев назад

Awesome video brother.

@citoloft1969 9 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for sharing that and by the way, I picked up the Caltech K7 and I also picked up the Smith and Weston MP 12 as well and I just happen to run into the Mossberg maverick 88 and got that as well I haven’t shot not one of them yet😂😂😂😂 but I will

@raymondgellenbeck7459 Месяц назад

Thanks. Because of your vid I switched off from about to buy a KSG. My M&P12 arrives Monday ;)

@Abigailrp 4 месяца назад

superb Video, but no links to the range review vids. Is it possible to temporarily limit one of the ammo chambers for states with ammo limits?

@Lungorthin666 10 месяцев назад

The M&P looks awkwardly tall from bottom of grip to top rail. The KSG just looks better and your firing hand isn't positioned lower compared to your pump hand like on the M&P.

@nna00100 10 месяцев назад

What is the silver pistol under Kermit? Great review BTW!

@Devin7Eleven 10 месяцев назад

Always wanted a KSG.. I should just get it since I been dreaming about it for months. Has everything I want. Only concern I have is reliability and build quality. Want it for the range and civil unrest scenarios.

@nuclearfish010 9 месяцев назад

Any new ksg's are great. They got a bad rap in the beginning. But any ksg made in the past 5 years are awesome.

@blakebeaton5821 10 месяцев назад

The best options, as I see it, are the KS7, the KSG SBS, the M&P12, and the KSG25. The KSG SBS and KSG25 should also be able to use that suppressor also.

@kylerobinson9789 10 месяцев назад

My KSG i bought used, have had lots of issues with extracting. Found that shit ammo is the cause. If anyone has this issue you should take apart your ksg and polish the chamber with valve rubbing compound. I have also found that it loves Federal Ammo.

@timbuchman9158 4 месяца назад

Don’t forget to mention the Glock magazine storage in the handgrip for your extra quick standby

@reprisalwithin666 10 месяцев назад

Hey man, what's with the Moss Pawn & Gun audio quality?😂

@rodneyobrien4624 3 месяца назад

Been looking at the KSG for my birthday gun , here soon, the KSG can also run mini shells, so 22 rounds of 12 gauge

@RBowner 10 месяцев назад

Smith and Wesson also recalled their version because the barre was fracturing

@mrshifter8220 10 месяцев назад

Eric, it's been awhile since I watched one of your video's......is it me or are you getting older? lol.......enjoyed the video, well done.

@thegentlemenrat3727 10 месяцев назад

Howdy eric keep em coming

@tonyelbows8045 10 месяцев назад

now, a couple of these shotguns look like the Bullpup Unlimited kit for the Rem 870 and the Moss 590. What's the prognosis on that with these? Costs less, for sure.

@MrFlathead45 10 месяцев назад

My nephew has a DP12 from Standard manufacturing... Big, clunky, awkward to carry, and even more awkward to reload... But.... Blam blam, rack, blam blam, rack, blam blam, rack blam blam, rack, blam blam, rack, blam blam, rack, blam blam ..... Makes me smile from ear to ear....

@andrewsteven9567 10 месяцев назад

what is the stocked pistol/sbr to the left of Eric?

@michaelsanchez8457 5 дней назад

Love your content, Brother. Ks7 might be nicer with short shells, i know mossberg has 590s now, how do shorties cycle in k7?

@mehtevas2653 9 месяцев назад

The ksg 12 is the perfect grouse gun one tube of bird the other with slugs for bear protection or deer if the opportunity arises

@vrod1136 7 месяцев назад

What do you think of detachable mag fed bull pups? What detachable mag fed bull pup would you recommend?

@arthurchadwell9267 3 месяца назад

Fear 109? Looks awesome, never saw one in real life...

@johngrunwell2412 26 дней назад

I own and use the KSG-12 and I can tell you that I’ve had ZERO problems running various shells including the mini-shells. Chucking at any angle of hold, nearly upside down, was never a problem. Of course I’ve added some notable upgrades along the way and switching between loads a breeze. 👍 for KSG.

@scottdoran3112 10 месяцев назад

...Ks7 with the +4 tube is the Ks12, very small cool package...like the Ksg 25.

@bramsltd 10 месяцев назад

Can't wait to see a box magazine KS7!

@javig7183 7 месяцев назад

This guy is a Super Star. Been following for so many years, how time flies.

@jeremymason1684 10 месяцев назад

Love the review. Sometimes I feel like you’re pulling punches but this one felt honest.

@jeffbearden9382 6 месяцев назад

Where can I find barrel extensions for the KSG ??

@dking6412 7 месяцев назад

What type of red dot sight do you have on your KSG.

@the7observer 10 месяцев назад

what about your experience with customer support from the companies?

@NebPWN 10 месяцев назад

eric and chad, make more gun review vids please

@larrrs3 10 месяцев назад

Will the M&P run mini shells? I added the extended magazine change Lever to my KSG so you flip it with your wrist so you don't have to remove your hands from the firearm I also have a Sig Romeo 5 and have fun at the range busting clay pigeons. My ksg is a little mule if your shooting 1 once slugs at 1,600fps

@eyesnearstactical 10 месяцев назад

Yes the M & P take mini shells (20), KSG-15 take 22.

@MU-oi1su 3 месяца назад

I'd like to see an M&P version of the KS7. I don't need the dual mag tubes, but I do like the 7 round bullpup design.

@Emily_M81 3 месяца назад

thanks for sharing :) the M&P 12 will also shoot shorty shells, iirc it will hold 10 per tube >_>

@awsomedude9111 10 месяцев назад

IWI Tavor TS12? Semi auto bullpup with magazine?

@KidFromQueens 10 месяцев назад

I made the mistake and got a TS12….there’s no better shotgun that can follow! I absolutely LOVE that rig!

@Devin7Eleven 10 месяцев назад

You’re doing your part!

@john-mf1qm 10 месяцев назад

Agreed!

@thews9237 7 месяцев назад

No mistake. Great choice!!

@XDWX 5 месяцев назад

Except you gave your money to an Isreal based company.

@richardkitzer346 4 месяца назад

That's what I really want but unfortunately I live in Illinois 🙁so researching pump bull pup now.

@thevoyageur2152 9 месяцев назад

Do you know if any Law Enforcement or military organization is using the KSG or M&P12?

@45Gunner556 8 месяцев назад

I think the San Francisco SWAT Team uses the KSG !!! (EDIT) Also something I remembered the North Korean Army Experimented with the KSG Shotgun

@brianmartin1139 8 месяцев назад

I really think that the KS7 if the best form factor for practicality.

@theadventuresofjavier8698 10 месяцев назад

I don’t have any experience with the smith. However I do love my KSG. It’s bees 100% reliable over hundreds of rounds. With a few Mcarbo accessories it’s even better

@johnqpublic2718 10 месяцев назад

I have noticed over the years that when describing their gun, if someone feels the need to include that it's "been 100% reliable," it either hasn't actually been 100% reliable, or it's enough of a concern with that model they felt the need to say it. Even Eric's hasn't been.

@jimmydunn3775 10 месяцев назад

⁠Completely disagree. Most people that have had issues with this weapon can not grasp the technique of functionality of it or either they are limp wristing the weapon.

@theadventuresofjavier8698 10 месяцев назад

@@johnqpublic2718 sorry but I won’t advertise buyers remorse. If it was a bad buy I would say so. I bought a hi point c9 . It’s been worthless . Lots of people swear the c9 has great reliability. Not mine My KSG IS 100%

@francischambless5919 9 месяцев назад

@@johnqpublic2718 it took me about 40 rounds to understand what the salesman meant by don't be gentle racking your next round. Those were the only issues I've had with the KSG with 500+ rounds through it. Granted, I don't use tons of different types of ammo and never use short brass. Usually in videos I see people always trying to rapid fire the thing, which makes no sense. If you want rapid fire, a pump shotgun shouldn't be your go to weapon.

@benzsandoval2992 10 месяцев назад

Or you can buy a ksg and a ks7 for the same price as the Smith and Wesson

@chaos561 10 месяцев назад

The carry handle on the KS7 and pic rail on the KSG are interchangeable and available on Keltecs website. I bought the carry handle for my KSG because my nephew loves the space gun look lol

@lobtop1 10 месяцев назад

I'M DOING MY PART!

@_Doguru 10 месяцев назад

@@lobtop1WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

@aaronsarquist3382 10 месяцев назад

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!

@Araretoy 9 месяцев назад

I have a KSG and in an apartment (using 04BUCK ammunition), it stores very nicely. Like Eric said, you really don't need more than the 14+1 in a home defense situation. Of course fun time at the range, the 1" Agularia shells are fun and considerably less recoil. Again, as Eric said, no free lunch in physics.

@ethanh6849 9 месяцев назад

Aguila*

@M3anMike 7 месяцев назад

Well 15 rounds aren't good enough for me!!😂 what about home invasion!?!?!?!? In the heat of the battle you'll miss shots!! Why bought aftermarket 14 slug holder that sits on top of ksg. Fully loaded it's got be 15 pounds😂😂😂 that suppressor is as much as the ksg.......I'm good but if I had 1300.00 I'd buy it in a heart beat!! But I couldn't imagine the stamp for that!!

@Araretoy 7 месяцев назад

@@M3anMike No stamp required. Full-length barrel shotgun. :)

@M3anMike 7 месяцев назад

Isn't it a suppressor??? I've never bought one before but these one is awesome! But can't afford it right now. Wish I could find used.

@AlaskanBallistics 10 месяцев назад

Good bear stoppers for sure!

@mountainshootingrangevlog 10 месяцев назад

Good morning Sir Eric ❤ your Big Fan ❤❤

@henryklassen9165 9 месяцев назад

You can't compare these 3 guns without including the DP 12😊

@watchmework7672 7 месяцев назад

I was thinking the same thing. I own a DP12 myself and would have loved to see it in the video.

@-Zer0Dark- 9 месяцев назад

Just bought a KSG-12 today. The guy at the shop handed me an M&P hoping I'd fork over the extra dollars for it, but two factors killed it for me: The heft, and the fixed foregrip. It's just too bulky, and the foregrip is further ahead than I find comfortable. For CQB home defense, that's a negative for me.

@adamhearts9195 9 месяцев назад

what price

@CMDR_Shokwave 8 месяцев назад

KSG is $530 at Prepper Gun Shop right now. Love this gun.

@45Gunner556 8 месяцев назад

Thank you Man for telling me about this I have Been thinking about Getting one From BudsGunShop They have Em for 664 but I will get it From preppergunshop 🇺🇸🤠🇺🇸

@EthanMcKee. 10 месяцев назад

Eric let's see some milsurp footage at the range. It's been a while since you had a k31 on video

@mdarks4117 9 месяцев назад

One of the only downsides of the KS7 is lack of a rail to mod the pump

@ReubenOaks84 10 месяцев назад

I've never wanted to own a keltec, but the ksg 410 model that's not out yet does peak my interest. I won't buy one until they have been reviewed by plenty and prove to be functional and reliable. I like to wait a year or two when something new comes out just in case there are issues that need and get fixed.

@TheAsheybabe89 10 месяцев назад

A 410? Why though. It's the worst of all worlds. Less effective down range, less options of loads, and cost substantially more per round vs 12&20 ga.

@deebee5744 9 месяцев назад

Why do that when you can buy low recoil 12 gauge ammo

@ResetGovernment 10 месяцев назад

You know a semi auto version of these would be tits.

@ChunkyDogWater 7 месяцев назад

Look up the IWI Tavor TS12

@ResetGovernment 7 месяцев назад

@@ChunkyDogWater that thing is massive

@CarlPapa88 6 месяцев назад

@@ResetGovernmentIt has to be for extra room the bolt cycle takes up.

@Wetbread88 9 месяцев назад

Can hold 13 regular rounds can hold 30 mini shells? 🤔

@J_D_Rambro 10 месяцев назад

I changed to metal followers and a mix of the aquila mini shells for a total of 23 rounds if I need more ammo those rounds will help me fight till I get to my AR or KSG 25 with 40+ of those aforementioned shells....both Kel Tec's fully loaded made a shotgun bandolier obsolete.

@GypsyTinker2012 10 месяцев назад

Drink every time he says "Considerably" 🍻

@NotMuchHere 10 месяцев назад

.... is that a 30 caliber magazine tube clippy?

@hindsight2022 10 месяцев назад

When they get a side loading gate built in i will buy one. I hate the reloads on those ksg's

@roncoon3464 10 месяцев назад

I like the 20 ga slugs (.63cal) and have a Maverick 88. I like the idea of an M&P Bullpup in 20 gauge to increase capacity from 6 round max to 24 rounds. That, IMO, would be ideal; especially for the self defense situation.

@cusetowm4life 9 месяцев назад

I am a mossberg man, but i do like the ksg with the silencer 🤫

@IsraelonFoot 7 месяцев назад

I just bought the KS7 last week. Do you think I should feel any "buyer's remorse" over its being limited to 7 3" shells...as posed to the KSG 12, which, if I'm not mistaking, fits up to 14 similar shells? I bought the KS7 for home defense.

@williamguilfoyle3068 6 месяцев назад

maverick 88 security laughs in background

@CarlPapa88 6 месяцев назад

14 of the 2-3/4" shells.

@m.m4982 3 месяца назад

@@williamguilfoyle3068 maverick 88 looks like a musket and is way too long. Why the bullpups are popular. Get with the times

@youtubedude3422 5 месяцев назад

While a a bit different, I think the dp12 is similar enough to these guns to be included in this comparison.

@minigpracing3068 9 месяцев назад

Will either of them feed short shells reliably?

@texmcboog 6 месяцев назад

The minis cycle perfectly in my KSG and it doesn’t feel as picky on stroke travel. 23 rounds is a lot of payload. End of world shit if you need them all. I carry one Remington slug in the handle in case I need to get a target on the other side of the wall.

@CarlPapa88 6 месяцев назад

@@texmcboogSomebody make a grip plug or DIY?

@arthurchadwell9267 3 месяца назад

UTAS version?

@JZdragster 10 месяцев назад

Ive shot both..and still own a M&P 12. It's still my go to truck gun.

@tburrows357 5 месяцев назад

Gotta ask what are you using for ammo? And how do you like this for a truck gun and how do you store it? Love the M&P12 but seems kinda bulky as a truck gun.

@JZdragster 5 месяцев назад

@tburrows357 I use brenneke ATS "anti terror slugs". I store the gun behind the back seat of my truck in a custom made mount that bolts to the seat brackets. As I live in a state that craps on AR's it's about the only good choice I have

@lukeellsworth1377 9 месяцев назад

I found My KSG used by an old man that never shot at 599 with magical flip up sights and a fore grip

@redwoodreaver4094 10 месяцев назад

S&W should make a metal version of the KS7.

@karanvirkooner1993 10 месяцев назад

the Kel-Tec KSG looks like something out of a sci-fi movie

@CarlPapa88 6 месяцев назад

@@omarslim3362A Silkie even. Haha

@This_And-That 5 месяцев назад

Sounds like these bullpups start the fight and you switch to a backup gun after you run out of ammo to finish the fight.

@AlaskanBallistics 10 месяцев назад

Too bad Smith and Wesson M&P 10mm were not released before quality testing was done

@mcmakin138 10 месяцев назад

Aguila mini-shells makes the KSG SO much more fun. 23 round capacity. WHAAAAAAT??!!

@aaron7324 10 месяцев назад

How do they compare to the Tavor 12?

@KidFromQueens 10 месяцев назад

No comparison! The tavor is a BEAST and is battle proven!

@Devin7Eleven 10 месяцев назад

Hate the Tavor 12… absolutely massive and bulky. Also looks freakishly alien. The KSG is still futuristic looking but maintains a lower profile.

@TangomanX2008 8 месяцев назад

I got one question about this. I got this as my first shotgun, tired it at the range, put a red dot, sighted it to my needs. I got this because I thought it would make more sense than a standard shotguns at short ranges. I'm wondering though, since I'm still relatively new to shotguns, if a tactical shotgun, especially a semiautomatic, such as a benrlli me, beretta 1301, or even a beretta A300, would be just as maneuverable even though they are larger with the proper technique

@CarlPapa88 6 месяцев назад

I'm a relative noob too, but more maneuverable. KSG has it beat in AOL still.

@fwod1867 10 месяцев назад

Baby kermit in the background 😊

@SideShowALPHA 10 месяцев назад

Love my m&p12 loaded with 20 mini shells.

@TangomanX2008 10 месяцев назад

I haven't tried minishells on my mp 12. How reliable are they?

@deebee5744 9 месяцев назад

You can half load these bad boys long term without risk of losing mag spring tension

@apacheshepherd8059 10 месяцев назад

Having fired both and owning a M&P 12. The M&P12 is definitely more comfortable to handle and shoot, but the pricing of the KSG is rather nice. You can purchase a great weapon and a sight for basically the price of a M&P12. I still love my M&P. 😅

@johnniejr6986 7 месяцев назад

Does the m&p12 jam up alot

@apacheshepherd8059 6 месяцев назад

@@johnniejr6986 so far I haven’t had any issues knock on wood.

@johnniejr6986 6 месяцев назад

@@apacheshepherd8059 I want the KSG or m&p12 just worried about jamming

@Tactisloth 10 месяцев назад

S&W had to recall a bunch in the first month or so due to cracked barrels😂

@ChiTownGuerrilla 10 месяцев назад

MP is just way too bulky and cumbersome imo. Although it uas some cool extra features.

@MattCaliber 10 месяцев назад

Am I the only one who thinks the Kermit plush fits strangely well in the background?

@gerardmcquade9102 10 месяцев назад

the KSG also comes in 4.10

@markzuckerberg3128 10 месяцев назад

I have a KSG. I don't like how you have to use a perfect amount of force when racking it make the gun work. If you don't rack the last 1/8 of inch (which is very easy to mess up), the gun WILL jam. I guess I need more practice with it. It does kick more than my Maverick 88. But if you put a Limbsaver pad on the KSG it's not bad. The Maverick 88 is just much easier to use. The KSG is lighter and more compact though with more capacity. The KSG is indeed hard to load. The magazine tube follower gets stuck a lot after the last round. I don't think I could use a KSG reliable ina real gun fight though. I shot my friend's KS7. That gun kicks like a freaking mule. Way worse than any other 12 gauge shotgun. Don't buy the KS7. It's not fun to shoot.

@quickgearshifter2719 10 месяцев назад

I have a KS7 that’s fun to shoot because I load it with mini shells and it holds 12 + 1

@way2ez4u 10 месяцев назад

A vertical fore grip eliminates the short stroking problem on the ksg. I never cared for it until I tried it and realized it is a MUST. Makes racking the gun properly so much easier.