Craig Mitch is a class act, he articulates well, manages to progress the conversation and is always on topic. His takes are well thought through, this is a man of culture.
@@thinknoodles1248 you haven't gotta be a rapper or producer too like the culture and know about it, he is an interviewer as well, all sorts of people so it makes sense he's got the knowledge
Having a guy help send a 16 bar verse but then have drake change most of the bars apart from 2 bars is not ghost writing , especially when he credits him , Drake writes his rhymes , if you’re gonna trash Drake you need to trash Nas as well because he did the same thing Drake did with the exact same writer
Jay-Z apologised for Super Ugly a day after it came out on Hot 97. Gucci said he felt bad for playing The Truth in his Verzuz with Jeezy. Dr Dre said he felt bad for dissing Eazy E on Dre Day. So Cole is not the first rapper to retract a diss. IMO people are upset because they beleived he'd engage in lyrical warfare but are disapointed because he's not about it. I'm with Chuckie here, I don't understand why he downplays his skillset or looks up to Dot and Drake so much. I'd argue that he's the only one who's been pushing this big 3 out of all of them. To call him a b**** is a bit far, he's still one of the best rappers of his generation and we'll just have to accept that he's not willing to engage in beefs. And that's okay. You just can't take the boasty lyrics about ending MCs seriously 😔
@@kwesibeats1450no one cares about all the other people we just want Kendrick vs Drake, my point is obviously Drake’s reply is better than Like That because it’s 4 minutes long you can’t compare a 40 second verse and a 4 minute verse, Drakes reply is where round one begins
Can't be 1-0 to anyone until Kendrick responds with his own track then it'll be round one complete, 'like that' was the intro track to the beef, it doesn't count or you'd have to start counting other tracks with indirects and that have features like 'control' 😂 it doesn't count if it's track that can easily be ignored or replied through indirects, cause Drake and Cole could've ignored it but Kendrick can't ignore Drake's reply, the only other person you can start counting first round complete on would be Rick Ross cause he responded 😂
No round 1 is done? Kendrick shot on a feature, Cole responded on a track, Drake responded on a track. Drakes track was literally a response… 😂 Round 1 is done in the sense of the jabs, now it’s just Dot v Drake for the proper tracks
Cole is a confused individual tbh… To not just grow up on but also idolise Nas and chase Jay to get signed, be begging for smoke and claiming you’re great all these years to then duck after dropping a light light jab is absolutely ridiculous😤 as a grown man don’t put yourself in situations that don’t align w/ your spirit🤷🏼♀️
This is fucking ridiculous. Y’all made excuses for Drake before he’s even lost. Kendrick will murder him. Drake has this channel, Rory and mal, Ak, all these fanboy RU-vidrs doing his dirty work and controlling the narrative. Embarrassing
On Mimi’s sibling reference. I would swap Drake and Kendrick then it would be perfect: Drake is youngest child as he’s petty and gets away with dropping tiktok type songs that are cringy like “in my feelings” “nice for what” etc. Kendrick has to be oldest son as he’s conscious and constantly has to prove himself to gain respect. He is held to a HIGHER standard as all older children are. (if Kendrick oldest child released TikTok songs he would get laughed at by peers/industry but youngest child Drake gets away with it)
Why are you acting as if Kendrick doesn't always drop cringy tiktok type songs too. What do you call songs like Humble, LOVE, GOD, Silent Hill or half of his latest album where he's doing these weird ass melody's and awful singing. If anything Kendrick gets away with a lot. Everyone calls Drake corny and a pop artist but Kendrick doesn't get the same energy. If Drake made a song like Silent Hill everyone would be clowning him like they always do and say he's too old to be making music like that but when it's Kendrick no one says anything.
I like Mitch alot but his bias shows heavy. The reason people dont pull Kanye up about ghostwriters is because they arent ghosts. Kanye doesnt hide them, Drake has consistently hid his. Secondly noone wants Kanye in this conversation because he is from a different era and honestly has transcended the rapper debates through his artistry
Drake had the writers on the credits he never hid anything you're just uninformed. The tracks were mainstream songs, not lyrical or songs with bars. Co-writers, so they wrote together.
Craig Mitch will go on about being a music guy and really into this hip hop thing, and talks like he's got lots of great insight but his analysis is surface level and goes off stuff anyone can look up on rap genius or youtube. On one hand he'll talk about people moving like stans and not really listening to the music but then go on and display outrageous stan behaviour himself. Every argument he makes about another rapper that is somewhat objectively constructed, he'll go on and contradict to give Drake a pass. Last episode he was going on about how Drake is number 1 in the world, the best rapper, but now he's not a rapper he's a rap artist? The internet supposedly doesn't like Drake but somehow everything he does is trending, he has armies of stan defending his every move, pushing his album sales, and ignoring every slight or missteps he's made in his career. He can't be both the top dog and the underdog at the same time, that's not how it works. Like the narrative he's trying to spin about this being 20v1 like the whole industry is just jealous of him and hating, as if he wasn't the one who's been moving snaky for years and is just now dealing with the repercussions of his actions. He's a great entertainer, he makes fun music, he can be your favourite artist, he's a whole lot of people's favourite artists, but can we at least not pretend that he's something he's not. He's already plenty good at doing that on his own. When Poet has a more balanced and level headed take about something than you, that's saying a lot.
I think drake strategy is wrong. You can’t taunt a man like Kendrick. The man doesn’t speak and works on his own time. The fact Drake was taunting, the longer Kendrick takes the more frustrating Drake gets
Exactly and always watch out for the silent one in the room. His whole career he went against the grain. Kendrick is doubted now but I won’t be surprised if he comes out w/ something we never expected from him
This comment hasn't aged well after Drake just destroyed Kendrick again with Taylor made. Now Kendrick is feeling pressure pressure and Drake definitely has more in the tuck 😅
It’s just all about perception. We know Kanye can rap, he’s just not one of the greats at doing so but he makes great rap music - arguably not as well as he used to pre-2012 though…but that’s just my opinion
I forget what that girl’s name is. But her eldest, middle and youngest child analogy is the coldest explanation I’ve ever heard for a comparison of the 3 rappers. She’s so right about all of it. Drake is the eldest child with all the expectations, and held to more unrealistic expectations. Kendrick is the youngest that kinda gets everything easy - everybody loves him. And Drake is jealous of Kendrick for that. But Kendrick is also jealous of Drake because he’s the oldest child that is ultimately the man of the house amongst the children - and that’s the spot Kendrick wants. Hence the tension and fighting.
I hear Mitch’s point about wordplay and the king line, but it only works if you can’t flip it again. Kendrick can easily flip those lines again. It’s a fire track, but the lines he said are smart and witty, but they can be easily flipped again
To chuckies point Drake reguardless of his upbringing. Understands hiphop/dancehall clash culture....and understands that he should particiapte if he's gonna talk like he's a guy.
I once heard, some dons spittin some verses, and their energy was crazy, the lyrics, raw and real, with a unique Identity. What I was listening to, was a grime mc, and they put me onto the rest. I don't give a damn about American artists or all this, Im a G on my own. These man are all my opps and I do not want to be like any of these man here
Craig was on point with that take on Kanye never gets trashed on for not responding with diss records to other rappers, everyone always piles on Drake where he has to respond otherwise he isnt a real MC, no one gives that energy for Kanye
The biggest counterpoint to that is that Kanye has always been public and vocal about his projects as collaborative efforts where he has a vision and will bring onboard anyone who can help him execute it whether that's a bar, a particular sound, a drum kit. Second, all of Kanye's writers are known and credited, Rhymefest, Consequence, etc. And lastly Kanye himself addressed it pretty early on in his career, the line on Diamonds from Sierra Leone "do he write his own rhymes? Well sort of, I think em, that means I forgot better shit than you ever thought of"
@@fzr1793 Kanye can’t brag about how he “killed Kendrick on No more Parties in LA” but when time comes on when he needs to be battle tested , he hides behind the “I’m only a producer not a rapper” people like you can’t just move the goals posts for him, no one gets to choose the title of rapper when it suits them but then throwaway the rapper title when things get tough
@@azc29103 Kanye is also not to be taken seriously. He considers himself the greatest thing since sliced bread, but people don't look at him as a great lyricist
@@fzr1793 that doesn’t really counteract what I’m saying , if Kanye does something good “he’s amazing “ , if Kanye does something bad “ let’s not take Kanye seriously “ cop out statement , Kanye fans are so irritating
@@azc29103 no self respecting Kanye fan would ever say he's an amazing rapper. Does he make good songs? Yeah. Is his rapping the best part of those songs? Hardly ever. And again, it's been known from the jump that he doesn't write his own lyrics. So it's not a big gotcha point. And if you choose to take someone who says slavery was a choice seriously, then idk what to tell you. He's always craved attention, so of course he would insert himself in a conversation about two other rappers. It doesn't mean everyone else should take what he says seriously.
Craig is a Drake fan boy. There’s NOTHING you can say to him lol Rick Ross has a better track than Drake but watch lol EDIT 30:30 - I was right. Making excuses. Bring poet for these please
Chuckie point on if drake loses he’ll still hold him high because of how many people going at him is kinda irrelevant because you said yourself…no one really cares if drake responds to anyone else, all we want is Kendrick vs drake. Drake didn’t need to respond to everyone else, and it wouldn’t have hurt him
Mimi is chatting the most nonsense when it comes to the middle child that might just be her experience. The middle child tends to be the black sheep who acts out the most. That's not what Cole meant when he called himself the Middle Child
I am really getting bored of this ghostwriter talk its ridiculous, in these reference tracks, they are all melodic songs, and Drake changes like 80 percent of the bars in the reference tracks so it really doesnt matter, Nas and Big Sean did the same thing as Drake with the same writer "Quentin Miller", but no one ever criticises Nas or Big Sean, everyone saying Drake cant be in a all time list, if you are going by that same argument than Nas or Big Sean cant either, same with Ice Cube, del tha funkee homosapien wrote for Ice Cube, my thing is be objective, either use the same argument for all these rappers i mentioned, or acknowledge that all of these rappers I mentioned write their own raps, which I believe they all write their own
no the reason why we look at drake as less than when it comes to the ghost writers is because Ye has never said that Conscious doesn't write his bars, Ye has always acknowledged that. when it comes to drake, he tried to reason his way out of it.
