Kenshi - The Origins of the Hivers 

yea many people i see wrong about cannonballism. but fogman still eat another fogman if you put the fogman in the pole tho..

All the races are genetically modified from humans or human DNA from the the second empire.

@@redstarling5171 Still not cannibalism, we humans are close related to primates, people who eat primates are not cannibals, same as fish who eat other species of fish and so on.

@@SuperKratosgamer they're cannibals because they also eat hivers

If you are a hiver they will still attack you

It would be the finest empire to ever exist. Led by Kenshi's true main character

I think the fishmen are the natives personally.

The process of mixing humans with hivers would be quite... horrifying, if the speculations are correct, but the outcome might be a successfull race ready to withstand whatever lands of kenshi might fell into.

Hell, just have Beep's Great Jihad kill all other life forms besides the strong Hivers.

What Ive come to notice is that Beep is truly one of the good guys in this game where nobody is a good guy. Every faction in Kenshi has their burden, even the Anti-Slavers but Beep? He just wants to get stronger than his bullies.

According to comments in the wiki it is implied the fogmen are a very recent development, and not necessarily long for the world. That basically the whole world state of Kenshi when a player drops in is supposed to be short-timed. Mongrel, for example, is basically under seige and surviving because of their large but slowly dwindling food stockpile. At least according to random lines of dialogue. But who knows?

Why everyone keep assuming some crazy stuff about "deep" lore of kenshi world and totally deny laziness of scenarist and plot holes?

@@gunnlaugillugason245 one guy made the game. It's a masterpiece for what it is and he poured like 14 years into it. You think tolkien could have written lotr while also putting most of his effort into creating a new style of hardcore balanced rpg? people are excited about kenshi lore because kenshi 2 is not a solo project. Now he has space to flesh out the world which is inevitable because it takes place during the 2nd empire. it's not a perfect story, it's a story the community is actively affecting through their theories.

It's more likely an issue of narrative clashing with mechanics. Engine limitations prevent the queens from being mechanically presented as they are in the narrative: a hybrid of organic and synthetic components. Had there been an option to include synthetic vital bits (i.e. head, chest, stomach), it's entirely possible that the queens would have been designed with an entirely organic body, save for the stomach region where the implanted incubator is

​@@trevorkrug996His Sister wrote most of the lore. He just made the game and she made the lore.

@@gunnlaugillugason245the game is made by one guy and his sister cut them some slack.

there is nothing to analyze literally. kenshi is fucking full (ha ha) of holes in lore. It is just laziness of developers

@@gunnlaugillugason245 i sure agree, a guy working on a project alone for 6 years is the definition of laziness and being pathetic, more people should be exactly like you ❕❕❕❕

@@skepsisrollins1711 so, we agreed on the fact that the lore of kenshi is shit. nice! regarding laziness. yeah, mb you right, it is not laziness. 6years of work alone is outstanding perfomance for such a big game. but lore (and many mechanics and onther things) is still kinda shit and have much more controversies then even wh40k (illogicality of wh lore is literally meme). And yeah, Lo-Fi games are pathetic. Guy literally made buggy and unfinished game (with pretty interesting concept, can not disagree) and since then did nothing at all to make this game better. What does he do now? Sell t-shirts and smoke hashish? Cant even find prodecer for new game (how long? 6 month?). Hope, he will not stone himself to death, lol.

​@@gunnlaugillugason245 Baby need bottle?

@@skepsisrollins1711 whoa! relax, dude

It puts the biomass in the bin less it gets the club again

@@HeroInHisHead understandable and horrifying...

The horror

@@HeroInHisHead drones rule

start as a beep was the best one...

@@doanprasmana1444 then learn to kick limbs off.

>Start with fastest possible character >Run to Mongrel >Recruit Beep >Feed starting character to fogmen Now the game starts.

For sure the queen is gone. I think she stopped working. Hives are the robot's idea of perfect humans. Controllable. That why they made them.

That wouldn't explain why they have a semingly never ending tide of Fogmen inside the Fog. I think it would be more plausable if the Fogmen are exiled Western Hivers that ended up insane inside the fog for whatever reason.

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And the mods are for asthetic purposes to make the footage more appealing

No they are vanilla they're just rare as hell and the fog praetorion even more

@@atamalethatwantstotalk5177 no

I can confirm praetorians are from a mod. Hivers expanded to be exact. It is also the mod that adds bone armor and weapons to the fogmen. Other than the praetorian parts though this theory is pretty sound. I quite like it. Also this video made me learn of hivers expanded, which I am eternally grateful for. It is hard to think of a time where I didn't start my game as a fog praetorian.

Yeah king and the southern tribe are absolute monsters.

you dont have chance to do melee attack when fight with 250dex creature... you see he (the king) wal slowly crawling like baby,then when you agro him,he stand and case you with speed... the first experience i try to defeat him and see he run like that really suprise me.

The southern hives dialogue implies heavily that genetic material is mashed down and used in the process of reproduction. Also the hiver buildings are made of essentially vomit as confirmed by ingame dialogue. Lastly the hive queen incubators solve the issue of having no gender or genitalia with the queens body acting as the supplier of nutrients and pheromones while the incubator acts as the artifical womb. With all of that in mind to me it really spoke to itself that the hivers have to deliver some kind of organic material to act as a base for the incubator and the fogmen have no queen but an endless number of drones that seem to be devolved, weak, paler, and canablistic. All things that can be attributed to heavy genetic damage such as in the case of multi generational inbreeding. All of those things together were the base of my theory about how the fogman maintain the numbers because for all intent and purpose we don't know the 100% truth. This just made the most sense to me.

@@HeroInHisHead that makes sense. In bees there are false queens, basically workers who develop the ability to reproduce, but the reproduction is faulty. That may have been a basis for the Fogmen (or maybe CH just wanted a zombie race, 😂)

@@TheVampireAzriel that's a really good idea actually I never would have thought of that. And can we really blame him though?

@@HeroInHisHead not at all. I play the Zombie Apocalypse mod a lot, myself 😂

@@TheVampireAzriel ooh ive never heard of that mod

Fogspiders sounds like even more nightmare fuel than usual 😅

actualy bugmaster carries a nodachi/big katana, bounty hunted him last night. Vanilla game/no mods.

@@benjaminstreet9160 Maybe it's random then. Cause he definitely had a foreign sabre when I fought him

@@benjaminstreet9160 I tried linking to Bugmaster's wiki page but my comment never posts. He *always* has meitou foreign sabre in vanilla.

​@@benjaminstreet9160u sure u got the right guy?

Depending on the overall size of Kenshi, it could be both a planet AND a moon. I'm guessing it's far larger than the continent the game takes place on. Real life examples exist of planet-sized moons in our own solar system, though obviously not with funny bug men, marijuana-dealing ninjas, schizophrenic robot dictators, aggressive bird-horses, hungry bois, warmongering horned purple people, or excessive numbers of weeaboos Naruto Running through the desert. Ganymede, a moon of Jupiter, is the largest moon in the solar system, lacking only about 1500 km in diameter of Mars. Compare this to the moon, which is about half the size of Mars. Oh right. The moon is absolutely enormous. We look at it in the sky and go "oh, that's pretty small" but NOPE. It's not too much smaller than Mercury (1.737k km vs 2.439k km) I'm thinking Kenshi is at least the size of Mercury but extremely dense, thus why it seems to have around 1g of gravity. The map's square mileage (~870 mi²) is near the size of Mercury's diameter, but I figure if you account for planets being round and having to stretch those square miles over a generally spherical object, Kenshi's continent would only cover around half of the moon's surface, with the rest either being open ocean, or there being a second continent on the other side currently uncontacted if not completely uninhabited due to society being blasted back into the stone multiple times within the past few millennia.

​Agressive bird-horses 😂

If you are invested in kenshi lore I also have 2 videos giving the entire kenshi timeline. Almost an hour of indepth historical lore for several thousand years of history leading up to the first game as well this weekend I'm releasing the entire history of the shek

To be fair reporduction involves filling a lot of holes.

I use it pretty much as a must have too. I did mention in the description that it was an oversight though and the one mention of them has no affect on the rest of the video

Well maybe melting a bunch of metal giants is a sure way of intoxicating neighbouring areas with toxic fumes that contaminate the air, soil and water for ages and strike the local life with all manners of debilitations ;)

The second empire didn't collapse at once it was gradual. And the famine was at the tail end of it just before the enthralling started. Many skeletons probably never saw hivers as they would have been in early development or just started being prpduced by the queens. They also stay close to the queens themselves especially early on I imagine. No hives were likely not a thing until some time later as their societies continued to build and hivers became seperated from the queens. The skeletons who fled the empire to the dead lands during the enthrallment likely never saw a hiver before their full emergence and as such only recognize them as what they were not what they are.

It's a really fun subject and I love make stories and theories as well as translating the actual lore for people. Kenshi is a very subtle game in terms of its lore and not everyone wants to piece it all together themselves so I am happy to do it for them. The only downside is it can be a rather finite topic with how little info there can be sometimes so it gets hard to churn out regular content on it. But it's one of my favorite video types on this channel

@@HeroInHisHead I know there's only so much content you can do lorewise but you could also do lore videos from other games since your analysis and style of presenting events are so good ;)

Sadly this wouldn't make any sense. Same with the bugmaster being from Second Empire considering Second Empire hasn't been a thing canonically speaking for 1,000 Years from the Current game's time. Idk if the guy who made this video thought bout this, but theres no way the bugmaster knows Cat Lon or even lived for over 1,000 years. There's no life span expanding technologies in Kenshi technically speaking. There's more proof that the bugmaster just found a technological device that allows him to control them. Infact its more assumed and shown he wants to invade the Ashlands rather than he's from it.

@@indigowells yeah it's dumb this guy is 100% up his own ass It's like saying that Elon Musk was secretly one of the guys that betrayed Julius Caesar

@@indigowells The spiders fight with the bugmaster, how is that not a form of control or manipulation. Also just based on how long the shek have been fighting him he most likely has found a way to slow aging. He wants to invade the ashlands as revenge against Cat Lon.

​@@Smilemonster1912 I suggest you to look at the real lore then. The bugmaster has not slowed down aging nor has some psionic power crap, its most likely a technology relating to the creation of the spiders to begin with. No slowed aging or any such as well He doesn't have any revenge against Cat-lon as far as we know, that is just spitballing a theory based entirely on the video. You need to get your information from a better source since this video didn't. We know nothing of them being connected in fact there is more proof that the bugmaster wouldn't know Cat Lon. There are also better reasoning and ideas that would provide for a better theory than what you mentioned about invading the ashlands. But in location. Keep in mind he resides in a ancient lab in a specific area of the map that is highly dangerous and a breeding ground for spiders. Which also just happens to be next to HIVERS and SHEKs and their birthplaces. 1. He could literally be and there's hints he may of just been a tech hunter who stumbled across this ancient technology and started using it to control the spiders to have domination like a king. Enthralling any spiders may be linked. (Hivers are linked through the Queen and by commands as well. Could VERY WELL be a similar kind of technological device the Queen has on her that connects to the Hiver's DNA (Hence the Deadhives even) 2. Sheks have been dealing with the Spiders for a long time, and also known for making legends out of anything not knowing the full details, which this one they got multiple stories about the bugmaster same with other rumors about him you can hear/read. NO ONE really knows who they are and how long they got in possession. One thing we do know. PSIONIC ABILITIES DO NOT EXIST IN KENSHI. 3. It would make more sense if he was an Tech Hunter since majority of them know ALL about the continent or bits and pieces but all of them seem to know what the Ashlands are and how its suppose to be "the strongest and most dangerous place for those who aren't weak." He may of literally got his tech from an Ancient lab he is currently in and found that it was connected to the Ashlands and most definitely related to Cat-Lon's enforcers which is heavily implied to be the Sheks. Which their labs were hinted to be In that exact location he's in. So he may be trying to go after the source of technology to get MORE. Not because he actually knows Cat-lon. Hes a Mad Power Hungry naked person with a control of hundred of thousands of Spiders. What do you think would happen?

​@@indigowells 1. So you are saying spiders have just infested this area for a very long time and Bugmaster is a recent thing (decades not millennia). He just walked in there and found some tech and used it? 2. I never mentioned anything about psionics. 3. So he just wants a challenge and wants more tech, so he targets ashlands. I think this is basically the understanding I got from the game except for the lifespan of bugmaster. They do make it seem like he is at least 100 years old

Jesus christ, the spelling. I''m guessing English is your first language. "somehow of learned," fuck me, you missed school entirely, didn't you?

The bugmaster portion is more of a theory based on the surrounding facts. The bugmaster is functionally immortal. There is plenty of evidence he is at least 1000+ years old. So how did he achieve this ageless eternity? Well he is surrounded by the ruins of what looks like advanced buildings and has seemingly domesticated horrifying skin spiders. This lends to the idea that he created them. So he has knowledge of generic manipulation which explains how he might be so old. He paused his internal clock with old world tech. Now the hivers look like skin spiders as well as appearing at a time when famine was a massive issue and the second empire was starting to fall apart so it reasons to me that simply showing up at that point is too convenient considering they are perfectly built to combat the same issues arising in the 2nd empire like famine, rebellion, and population decline. They were probably made especially considering the high their tech such as the incubators and King. So we have established the bugmaster was likely involved with the second empire. Has knowledge of genetics and manipulation of DNA. Has access to 2nd empire tech. And lastly has a grudge against a skeleton who has been sitting on his dead throne for 1000+ years without moving or leaving the ashlands. So he must have had a relationship with catlon DURING his reign. All of that together to me is what created my theory on the bugmaster.

@@HeroInHisHead Oh okay I was thinking of doing a video on the Bug master soon and was hoping you found something I missed. Keep up the good work by the way.

@@allones3078 I'm excited to see it. Maybe we could even collaborate on a project some time. It's rare to find another lore master for kenshi!

Always happy to see your comments my friend! Glad you like it

Kinda? I got beep to do over 230 damage in a single strike, but it's the double kick. The palm strike gets so underutilized at high MA that you're unlikely to see that specific move manage it But yeah, I've double-kicked a holy nation's arm off before, good times.

Skeletons actually can't tell the difference between humans and Shek. Go to the Skeleton capital as a solo shek and read. Very eye opening.

@@benbosco7904 because shek ARE biologically modified humans... rather than a completely separate race.

The similarities to the spiders could be explained away as they simply could be the basis of the genetic modifications (another theory touched on in the video is that they were the early failed experiments in attempting to create the hivers) made to the humans and it begs the question of how could they naturally evolve if their queens need artificial wombs to birth hivers

The Greenlanders and Scorchlanders are _definitely_ from Earth. Kenshi is just a lost colony.

Wouldn't that be cool. The hivers are the savage remains of what once was the mighty enemies that fought the ancient humans. The lore and evidence we have doesn't mention hivers until around the end of the second empire but what if they were just hidden that whole time until the water levels dropped and they were able to expand out from their subterranean refuges

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Yeah, I thought that part of the theory was weird too. He’s clearly just a guy.

Vanilla settlement that is enhanced by Mods.

Great question

Little bit of both. The biological processes. History of the second empire. The dates of their appearance on the continent. All that stuff is canon as explained in some of my other lore videos. The actual origins of the hivers and the fogmen is my theory based on the Canon. But we won't know for sure until kenshi 2 as confirmed by Chris Hunt in an AMA a few years ago. But I feel this story makes the most sense when the Canon details are taken into account

No but they eat other hivers too lol and their own kind if you put them on a pole.

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@@HeroInHisHead my bad

@@YouWarhammer you're good lol - a few people have done it

Either that or the queen is the one infected with a parasite and her pheromones drive her offspring into mad cannibals but I thought my story was a bit more horrifying and fun while still being possible in terms of lore

@@HeroInHisHead That is very interesting but still, unless the machine itself is capable of transmitting pheromones I think we need a device that replaces the organic part of a queen... What if some kinda "Parasite alpha" has replaced the original organic part's function? Right? So, it swallowed or ate or whatever to the queen but the machine stuck and it's automated protocol integrated with the new host or something. So fogmen are like parasite drones with hiver's body. And the parasite queen is stuck in some ant cave or whatever hidden beneath the fog, guarded by elite drones.

@@dkelrk1 well my idea was that the fogman are born WITHOUT any exposure to pheromones which makes them more animalistic and less sentient so the queens lack of presence makes more sense and then the incubator still churning out genetic defects explains their seemingly endless numbers

@@HeroInHisHead oh ok i misunderstood some. So that explains the queens death.

Contextual theory based on the things we know. His presence as a long standing part of the Shek religion, his apparent indepth knowledge of Catlon and the crimes he committed despite most of kenshi being largely unaware save for the skeletons. His ability to seemingly create and control skin spiders. His stats being amongst some of the highest in the game (not that that is definitely indicitive of anything just something to note that typically only older characters have stats like that - and even then many are skeletons who are functionally immortal) and his apparent madness and insane desire to prep to fight catlon and the second empire legion implies he not only knows of catlon but has a full understanding of the legions capabilites. I suppose it's possible he was a tech hunter but I find that unlikely since NOONE seems to know who or how he got there. You'd think if he was a tech hunter someone in the tech hunters or anyone really would have some dialogue to hint at who he is/was. They don't. All of that kinda culminated into my belief he is older than anyone who could reasonably identify him. That mixed with everything else got me here.

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I actually have a full video on my graphical set up on my channel. Shows a full walk through for my PC specs, optimization of your PC, and graphical set up got Kenshi.

I think it all hivers expended

Who doesn't love a stick job...I guess lol

If you kill the western queen they will become overrun by the fogmen. However there is no way to rid kenshi of the fogmen

It's heavily implied yes.

I am nothing if not a showman lol

@@HeroInHisHead and i a curmudgeon

The word Island got buried in the audio edit is all. Wasn't a full cut off just me still learning to effectively record and edit audio at the time

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@@HeroInHisHead Thanks!

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@@HeroInHisHead Yeah i just realized error on my part sorry.

@zakarybourbeau5750 lol no problem. Easy mistake and it's really my fault. I was less thorough back then

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The lore and evidence states he is centuries old. The shek have been fighting him for long enough to be considered a part of their religious beliefs. He has deep understanding and a grudge against catlon despite the fact catlon has been sitting in his throne deep enough in the ashlands where almost if infact noone has ventured since the second empire. Infact he has a map yo EXACTLY where he is suggesting he knew where the capital of the second empire was and that catlon was still there. He possesses combat abilities typically only really present in characters who have lived for extended periods such as catlon, tinfist, Quinn, and other high value skeletons who have had years to hone their skills. He also resides in an area that has no 1st empire ruins buy plenty of second empire ruins suggesting the decline of habitability in arach didn't start until after the second empires collapse. Aside from that his ability to work and cohabitate with skin spiders suggests a connection with them beyond training them as pets. His relationship to me is that of creator and monster not master and pet. And if he is capable of creating those beings through genetic manipulation then it's not outside the realm of probability to say he could extend his own life as well with the tech that was present in the second empire. While it is a theory. I don't believe it's as farfetched as you may think. But that is just my own option of course

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In the lore they are described as a pretty formidable foe so it makes sense

@@perhaps1094 they're only formidable against noobs, once you have a couple of decently trained people, they're fodder

@@_--Reaper--_ I understand but obviously that's not the same as what people actually living in the world say. I can't remember what the city with the fognen surrounding it is called but it's mentioned that the creators of the city ran there in order to throw off a holy nation group that was chasing them, they describe the group all being eaten and talk about how they have to hide from them. Also most characters will just describe the fog lands as a place to completely avoid as the likelihood of a large group of fogmrn spotting you is too much of a risk.

I'm aware. I realized after the fact that I said planet not tidal locked moon like I usually do but i had already uploaded and I hate deleting and reuploading especially for minor things like that. Good eye on catching it though

@@HeroInHisHead lmao had to do it dude! Thanks for the video solid content appreciate it

so ,that explain why we dont see people using a boat and swim really slowly. because gravity made water less dense... but i dont see a big wave. really tho i was wandering how low gravity in kenshi because at night we see big planet.

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