Kenshi - The Sadness of the Skeletons 

at least you don't need to eat tho

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I believe Its good that some of them refuse even tho it makes them suffer its a good way to preserve knowledge to make sure humanity doesnt make the same mistake again

Imagine how painfull it must be for them to be in obedience or seeing Stobes dead body.

@@t34r they outright tell the group under certain conditions. Solemnly stating that they do not wish to be here and anywhere else would be fine.

Imagine you were a human in a post apocalypse and you saw a giant dead human that supposedly saved someone, i cant imagine i would even care, there are cemeteries of ppl that were just following orders and ended up dead irl. The skeletons are babies and crying over guys they didnt even know

Sure, but if you were a skeleton you'd have been around for thousands of years, you'd have been there when this happened and you'd have been there to watch the entire world fall apart. Humans bare so much pain and tragedy over as little as a hundred years. For skeletons that live forever and feel emotions just as strongly that'd have to be absolutely heartbreaking. And for the giant dead human (I'd assume you're talking about stobe or the behemoths in obedience) sure, if I was in a post apocalyptic world I'd probably pay a little less attention to the things that aren't trying to kill me, although I'm quite sure if you saw limbs the size of tall buildings you'd still be in absolute awe. Given you've said "that supposedly saved someone) we're talking about stobe, the giant skeleton at the foot of stobe's gamble. Stobe was the last behemoth alive, who sacrificed himself to save humanity; the ones who killed all of his "brothers" in a sense. This is what caused the skeletons so much conflict and grief, their brothers destroyed due to obedience, only to kill the last of those brothers by their own hands (speculation), as stobe attempted to save both humans and skeletons. Like a form of martyr or jesus figure. He sacrificed himself for the sins of the both, to make a point. This is when the skeletons realised the error of their ways and attempted to make up for it by creating the second empire, under cat-lon. I don't know all the lore and a lot of this is actually just speculation from lines, copy paste kind of stuff I've also read online. But the lore for kenshi is really cool and I would check it out if you like narratives and deeper kind of story telling. TL;DR - The skeletons have technically lived like 20x your actual irl lifespan, they've witnessed genocides and radical wars, human malice and kindness, the end of the fucking world. I'm quite sure if they still have their emotions, seeing a reminder of all that pain and suffering you've experienced would cause you heartache. And a reply to "they outright tell the group under certain conditions. Solemnly stating that they do not wish to be here and anywhere else would be fine." This is honestly super sad, I wouldn't be surprised if the skeleton was worried about losing control and paying the price for obedience once again. In a way, we are technically controlling them the way their previous masters would. We can sacrifice them, which really is the price of obedience, he simply cannot disobey what I tell him to do.

​@@eprimchad2576 hope you didnt mean to be disrespectfull to the dead the fact that people died irl just because they were following orders deserves at least a little bit of respect

Near totally isolated hell on a virtually endless scale was what everything came too when I was putting it together myself

You embark as a young man, and spend a lifetime becoming a person, as you watch your friends grow old. You spend many more lifetimes, following your passions, becoming a yet better person, as generations of friends pass. Gradually, though, because your core is a firewalled blackbox, you cannot upgrade what is effectively your brain. You can forget things here and there, but you aren't a superintelligence; you're a Skeleton. You're a machine person with a too-sturdy core, with limited space. Eventually, all that's left is a shadow of yourself, as the very bloodlines of your friends lie in the distant realm of myth and legend. The only way out of this slow decline into machinated madness, is a single physical button on the exterior of your core's shell. A small, pinhole button, that sends you back into the blank slate you started as. Hopefully, before your mind becomes an digital zombie, you can will yourself to push that button. Maybe you'll write a book, or keep a journal, so your future self can carry on the torch you lit. Maybe this is how humans would see reincarnation, if they too were immortal. Would you push that button, and take the journey again, knowing that you'll doom another, different you, to an identical fate?

​@@RovingTroll thats kinda what webdo when we reproduce we arent making a copy of ourselves but we are passing on another generation with our blood and they can still check who was the father or grandfather decades later because we keep the paperwork but eventually all memories about you fade away and nobody even knows you were here only when they bother to check

Kenshi - Where if it looks bad...its definitely worse when you think about it

i fear they would completely ruin it.

8 month late reply to your comment, although from some theories I've heard, a lot of the people in kenshi believe cat-lon to be a myth; and that those who know, know and don't tell. Similar to the whole keeping it hush about the 1st empire, nobody wants that kind of shadow following them around, only to add more burdens to an already harsh world. I'm not sure if reset skeletons would also buy into that belief of cat-lon being a myth, assuming burn hasn't reset at all since the 2nd empire (and tinfist which people are quite sure hasn't either) it would make sense these two both know. If burns stats are lower than cat-lons and tinfists which I'm pretty sure they are, it could be assumed that burn reset before the 2nd empire to maybe forget the 1st, but hasn't since. Whereas cat-lon and tinfist haven't since the 1st empire. You also have the actual issue with data storage irl not actually being able to be fully re-written over, which could leave a kind of subconscious imprint if we hypothesise in a futuristic kenshi world sense?? Maybe they figured out that problem or it's a thing idk. Kind've like how data recovery works, it's all still there. Purely speculation :)

Technicaly they can love someone

Some skeletons even help the other races and try to live with them and make relationships with them by selling them things chatting with other npcs etv

Beautiful rp scenario my guy. Commence the extermination

@@HeroInHisHead it's not an extermination my guy, it's a mercy.

@@robertlavery6896 you are a kind soul. Now mount the poon turrets and get started on the mercy

I appreciate that. It's a combination of stuff I imagine. Kenshi while being relatively popular, the lore and content surrounding it is kind of a niche audience. Aside from that I am not as consistent as I wish I could be so I upload like 4 or 5 videos then go MIA for a month or 2 because of IRL work. Rinse repeat. But I'm mostly just happy people enjoy my stuff at all lol

So they can keep on suffering for centuries to come 😌

I'm glad I could help inspire your masochism into playing kenshi my friend!

If it makes you feel better they are probably used to it by now. But they truly are the saddest bois on Kenshi

@@HeroInHisHead Skeletons can never have a break.😭

Skills isn't indicative of the depression. Time is. Think of it this way. If someone were to spend 100 years training themselves they would develop an accute mastery of that set of skills over time. However if someone were to say spend 100 years sitting around they would accumulate little to no skills. Sadniel is depressed due to his lack of a reset on his emotional bloat. But he hasn't gone out and done anything for centuries, instead sitting around letting those emotions fester with no accumulated skill to accompany it. So the connection between bloat and skills is correlated in an arbitrary sense but not connected in the literal sense as it is with bloat and time passed. In short sadniels lack of skills only show he has not used his time effectively, not that the theory isnt valid as the connection between the CPU resets is between that of time passed and bloating not skill accumulation. Skill and emotional reset just happens to be a byproduct of that CPU reset. Make sense?

Maybe their heads have the analog computing structure while their bodies the digital one. That would explain why removing their heads seem to regress them into mindless machines without an ounce of their former individuality.

I have the same question. His game looks so good.

My setup is a combination of the Genesis World Overhaul. A customized version of the TSUKI.V2 reshader. And some carefully altered ingame graphical settings.

@@HeroInHisHead the depth of field blur is really incredible and cinematic! Is that in game

@@WotanSkyFather yeah, I don't do any visual edits after the fact, so everything you see in my videos is what my game looks like when I play

If it is the one in which he refers to the "curse of the skeletons" I pulled it directly out of the games dialogue packages in the Forgotton Construction Kit

there are a few wikis that show the languagepacks (or dialogue packs?) of the NPC's p, those show everything they can say

Just their skills and emotions. So things they are passionate about, the things that matter to them, the skills they have acquired, are all reset making them essentually start over with the memories of their past but that's it. The idea of it wiping their memories was fabricated to hide the Great Exctinction, but the reset themselves is very much real

That would be the a Old Ironsides Mod by my friend Hapless. It's a must have mod in my load order

@@HeroInHisHead thank you for the info friend. Doing a Skeleton only play through and those bois would fit right in

@@HeroInHisHead Is the mod in the steam workshop?

@@Scara_Atomic should be still there

Or try to make sure they become obsessed with something mostly harmless like the armor king instead of genocide like Elder or paranoia like Catlon

The dialogue about them feeling pain is in relation to their emotions. Skeletons can cry, but they cry on the inside. As for pain I can't say I have seen or found that dialogue that implies that but ingame mechanics paint a picture that they don't. That's why when you put them into a peeler they don't scream they just sit there until they are torn apart and die unlike organic races that scream and swear until the end.

stay tuned as I have a video coming up that better explains the whole rebellion and why the skeletons are feel so guilty. And Stobe is one of the big parts of it. Lets just say they made a MASSIVE whoopsie.

That would be an Ironside from the Old Ironsides mod

@@HeroInHisHead Thanks! And great video!

They used to have outer shells to cover their parts that are currently exposed. Although some modern skeletons do infact wear skin...but theyre weird and I already talked about them lol

You just basically described how the 2nd empire started under Cat-Lon

Old ironsides

It's a mod made by my friend Hapless available on the steam workshop

@@HeroInHisHead very cool he must have put alot of work into it

Leave it to the ultramarines to produce such a FUCKIN NERD. I'm joking of course, however every single source one can find on the subject does describe kenshi as tide-locked, not that I have any fucking idea what that means.

@@ohmygoditisspider7953 it means that the moon always faces the planet, one day and one orbit around the planet take the exact same time (as we can see the planet is always immobile in the sky). But that means that Kenshi takes 24 hours to orbit the planet which is insanely fast when you consider Earth's moon takes some 30 days. Another thing is the second moon, it is closer to the planet, it should orbit the planet faster, but somehow it takes the exact same time as Kenshi ( as it too never moves )

@@SgtThiel never noticed, what a neat discrepancy! Thank you so much for the time you took to respond.

it's a game. I know of no game that has an actual realtime time progression. same goes for movement speeds. its a bit of illusion trick with field of depth. in reality the map isn't so large as it seems.

Yeah...sad stuff. Weep for them lad..as they cannot weep for themselves.

I actually explain the Okran - Stobe connection extensively in my videos on the 1st and 2nd empire which I linked in the description of the video if you'd like to see my sources!

another idea could be kenshis planetary bodies. okran and narko being moons or something. them maybe replacing each other in the night sky could be where the mythos came from aswell. ultimately we cannot be too sure on the correct idea.

He isn't insane for fighting slavers. He is insane because he is so obsessed with it he openly admits it causes more innocents to die than he saves and he is totally OK with it.

Tinfist is actively hurting kenshi His cause is noble; his means isn't Remember this: The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions.

"Inhospitable acid soaked crater" and it wasnt an enunciation issue it was an audio recording issue I didn't notice until well into post production, so I didn't fix it. It's just the phrase "acid soaked" that got a little garbled and doesn't detract from anything really. Infact I think you are the only one who has noticed enough to even point it out

@@HeroInHisHead Isn't it nice that someone cares about your work enough to point out things that should potentially be improved?

@@_--Reaper--_ admittedly, not when you word it in such a way and then ask for praise for it, no. Although I have since gotten better equipment and better at editing so these things don't happen as much.

@@HeroInHisHead Ask for praise?

​@@_--Reaper--_You were blunt and upfront - but you did not word your initial criticism in a way that felt respectful. When the creator responded with an explanation of the problem and pointed out that they would do better in the future, you said "Isn't it nice that someone (like me) cares enough to criticize you?" It seems like you were expecting him to say, "Yes, thank you!", when in reality what you said came off as condescending. So when he says, "No", your defense is to call into question whether you wanted praise or not. You clearly did. Next, you're going to disregard everything I've said as just some guy on the internet, follow up with something witty of your own or try to dismiss me entirely, and then it's gonna get ignored because I'm busy watching Kenshi lore.