Kenyon Martin responds to Colin's NBA Top-10 players list, Talks LeBron - Jordan | NBA | THE HERD 

The Herd with Colin Cowherd 1. LeBron 2. KD 3. Harden 4. Steph 5. Westbrook 6. AD 7. Giannis 8. CP3 9. Cousins 10. Kyrie

The Herd with Colin Cowherd what's your channel on TV

Not Ben Simmons

The Herd with Colin Cowherd 1/2 - KD & LBJ (no explanation needed for top 2. Why it's not clearly James.. - everything needs to run through him.. it's not easy to play with that.. and he's old and I don't care what anyone says, he's not as good as he used to be. But.. lbj still good enough to be 1) 3 - Steph (changes the whole game when he's in. I can hear a reasonable argument for #1 Bec of how he effects the entire game) 4 - Klay (don't freek out.. give me a sec.. second best shooter.. arguable in history. Top defender, makes great decision [that's underrated in basketball because of how it effects the entire team], capable of scoring 60, but selfless enough to take a back seat to not 1 but 2 players [also extremely underrated aspect] 5/6 - Lenard AD (I wouldn't argue that either of them could b 3) 7/8 - Draymond & Iggy (can hit the open 3 and guard multiple positions, which allows their team to play several lineups and always have the advantage. Also, both are athletic enough to cause havoc on D and on the boards. Also very selfless players) 9 - Harden (I can hear a reasonable argument for top 3 for him) 10 - Paul George (wait till he's away from Russ and everyone remembered how good he is.. no holes in good game. Could be higher) 11* - Greek free 12* - Simmons (style of play that effects the team.. again, vastly underrated. He could very well be #1 in a few years. I believe he'll dominate the league almost as much as James has) *Just missed the cut, but good enough to be in the top tier

1/2 - KD & LBJ (no explanation needed for top 2. Why it's not clearly James.. - everything needs to run through him.. it's not easy to play with that.. and he's old and I don't care what anyone says, he's not as good as he used to be. But.. lbj still good enough to be 1) 3 - Steph (changes the whole game when he's in. I can hear a reasonable argument for #1 Bec of how he effects the entire game) 4 - Klay (don't freek out.. give me a sec.. second best shooter.. arguable in history. Top defender, makes great decision [that's underrated in basketball because of how it effects the entire team], capable of scoring 60, but selfless enough to take a back seat to not 1 but 2 players [also extremely underrated aspect] 5/6 - Lenard AD (I wouldn't argue that either of them could b 3) 7/8 - Draymond & Iggy (can hit the open 3 and guard multiple positions, which allows their team to play several lineups and always have the advantage. Also, both are athletic enough to cause havoc on D and on the boards. Also very selfless players) 9 - Harden (I can hear a reasonable argument for top 3 for him) 10 - Paul George (wait till he's away from Russ and everyone remembered how good he is.. no holes in good game. Could be higher) 11* - Greek free 12* - Simmons (style of play that effects the team.. again, vastly underrated. He could very well be #1 in a few years. I believe he'll dominate the league almost as much as James has) *Just missed the cut, but good enough to be in the top tier

Lmao.. Right! Dudes a clown...

MasenkOG Right😂😂😂 I Was Like Wtf That Contradicts His Whole Argument

Also Simmons cant make a 3 to save his life...Giannis can shoot and make a 3

First thing I said right !!!! Blasphemy

Jack Stevehill what does Simmons better than Giannis, except maybe passing?

Miguel Arellano I never get tired of watching this 😂

Couldn't agree more. He got destroyed..... You can tell Colin is a "Lebron Lover"... I'm not all about MJ....but you can tell when someone is a "Lebron Lover"....

Faaacts . Whole time I was like Colin getting toasted out here

Nah he a hater

The smartest guy I've ever seen with a lip tattoo on his neck. Although his take on Jeremy Lins hair was ridiculous

Agreed. I get tired of all the asterisks that people put on guys like LeBron, but I don't think he'd be as fresh at 35 if he'd played Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn and Joe Dumars, Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish, Darryl Dawkins, Moses Malone, Shaq.. Kenyon Martin tells it like it is and like it was. And by the way, he played like an 80s and 90s basketball player

Yet he doesn’t say anything about what if players today were allowed to handcheck. Imagine lebron or giannis and kawhi allowed to handcheack. They would become even better on the defensive side.

Why are the LeBron fans so crazy about any critic of him...

Yeah, someoneshould throw a freaking contract to his face. Reaaally good, gd

Because he was a good player.

I agree. He was solid with every point. I would watch him.

Colin just got schooled. Love Kenyon. Further proof that the players know so much more than these stat boys.

only one thing i dont like is he disrespect D Rose

nerdwithjordans yeah I agree but geez westbricke ain't too 10

Yep to have Ben Simmons in that list at this stage he loses any credibility

Been is next level

A bench warmer should smoke an "analysis"- they played the game.

Rizen Salonga FACTS!!! “Did he walk by and not speak” 😭😭

Can we just fire Colin, for Kenyon regarding basketball

@@kibirdie lol

@@DTB1995 exactly

@@DTB1995 by their logic Jordan can't play in the 70s and 60s would never drive the lane as Wilt stated

That’s not true. LeBron isn’t even Colin’s top 3 list.

This is not true. Players that played before and after the handcheck rule, their stats stayed the same or got worse. The handcheck hardly changed how hard it is to score

Cause he covered the 2000s not the 90s.

@@derekpoland9374 you are a complete idiot. The NBA bragged about how the rules changes had the intended effect of increasing scoring because it's easier. Gawd you will be earning minimum wage your whole life with that level of dunceness.

J G not sure today’s players are truly more skilled and athletic than the 80’s and 90’s. If you check out the prime time footages of Magic, Bird, Kareem, and Hakeem, John Stockton...you’ll find they are actually very skillful and have very high basketball IQ. If you go see Wilkins, Drexler, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Rodman, Barkley (yes. Sir Charles can explode like a dynamite!) you’ll find them very athletic and strong. Not to mention MJ, a perfect combination of skills and athleticism. 90’s is indeed a more intense and competitive era than today. That’s not a question at all.

sad truth... both are very talented... i remember grant hill, brandon roy.. so many good carreers ended by injury

Hardaway for sure, TMac Had plenty of opportunity

Look at Bo Jackson in football prime example of bad sport medicine in the past.

Grant Hill and C Web had so much to give to the game

and grant hill

I think Broussard is generally a better guest but when it comes to cowherd it has to be Martin. Makes cowherd go speechless, it's hysterical.

James Kissinger I like Jim Jackson first then Broussard then KMart and anybody over Stephen Jackson lmao

James Kissinger He Not Ah Regular But Antonio Davis Had One Of The Best Segments On This Show. Made Some Great Points

Kenyon is my favorite and Chris is second lol

Joel Klatt!!!!

Noag I agree. It should be the Kenyon Martin show. He clearly knows way more about basketball then Cowherd.

Indeed

i have to agree with you brother.

Barack Obama he says that Drey is more valueable than Klay, and that’s very arguable. clearly not automatic L

Lol heck yea bro

Colin got Shann Sharpe and and caron Butler's backs tho lmao

BoxingWave faxxxxxx

He did..lmao Damn...That was hard to watch..lol

KMart shut that 90s slander down with a quickness.

CJ Chewjore he's not a analysts he's a fan just like anyone else.

He did it for the shock factor and knew full well he'd get taken to shop for it. It creates talking points. Simmons' got potential but he can't shoot from 6 feet out.

Colin does a terrible job covering topics in the NBA.

He is not an analyst, he's an entertainer. If you want real analysis you need to watch my show, Undisputed.

CJ Chewjore russ is in my top ten but there are lots of people that don’t think westbrook is top 10. But I don’t agree with his Ben Simmons ranking

i was impressed with his logic...

Ryan Mitchel Yu okay but you also have to factor in the illegal defense rule, which made players play man to man instead of zone, making it alot harder for big guys to score and makes it easier to defend against talent

@nabil chowdhury and it also shortened careers and it most of the time made for ugly basketball and too many injuries. Some people make it sound cool that you slam a player down for going to the basket but I say you wanna show me something, use your skills and block the shot. Man can we just get past the 80s and 90s damn

@nabil chowdhury that's all good but just like magic and Bird saved the league and Jordan elevated it, these players have taken it to places it's never been. You build off history not tear one era down because your favorite player is in one or the other. But let me say this, I can definitely appreciate someone your age even being Interested in the history of the league but don't get stuck on something behind you to the point you can't enjoy what's in front of you

He straight killed Colin

He’s a hater

sometimes?

Loose end? Lol, That's putting it lightly... More like absolutely absurd and just a flat out hater...

Christopher Brown I agree.

Franco Valdez I definitely agree with your comments 100%!

Bhavya Jani and Simmons shouldn't be on it can't shoot FTs can't shoot 3s or 2s only thing he has is he's 10 feet tall and he can pass... which everyone in the NBA should be able to do. You don't credit for passing the ball when you're a point guard

kenyon didnt make any sense though. so who cares lmao

Bhavya Jani I'd say switch Ben and Kawhi. You can either keep him there or move him up to 3 if you want. Now take Ben off the list entirely. Put Russ in his spot (he and James Harden are honestly exchangeable, they're almost identical production and efficiency wise), move Giannis to 8th, take Klay off, replace Kyrie with CP3, and add Boogie. You end up with 1. LeBron 2. KD 3. AD/Kawhi 4. Steph/Kawhi 5. Kawhi/Steph 6. Harden/Russ 7. Russ/Harden 8. Giannis 9. CP3 10. Cousins

Boogie ''never even played in a playoff game'' Cousins?

Colin starts tryin to defend his top 10 pick..K-Mart: "I didn't aks you that" LOL

It's been happening a lot this year 😂😂😂

He can score just not from any further than 5 feet

That's the thing, Giannis can't shoot but he can shoot more than simmons right now. If Simmons could shoot as well as Giannis the Sixers might've beat boston last series.

Simmons scored a point

You do realize he played in other games right? He also led his team to a 16 game winning streak and balled out in the first round of the play-offs.

Simmons can score....1 point. Im not sure Giannis has ever had an 1 point game in his entire career so far. Simmons is a liability on offense

Hussein Bolt shaq couldn’t score outside the paint...3 time championship mvp

cray 3K can't compare him to shaq😂😂

cray 3K he was also a center and that was a different era. In this era you need a reliable jumper to be elite. Same applies to big men I.e. Davis, Embiid, Cousins, Towns, KP and M.Gasol

Austin Gilkey no doubt but you also can't say someone isn't a top player because they couldn't score from 10 ft out, kareem couldn't shoot, wilt, Bill russel, magic you need other criteria. Ben simmons beat giannis in the playoffs facts.

cray 3K shaq was a center not a point guard. Their center has more range than their point guard.

Agree!!! This discounting MJ and basketball in the 90’s...Collin needs a different job

No that's not a good reason to say he doesn't know the game. Everyone has bias of players. Some people won't put KG in the top 50 player s of all time which is ludicrous but every other player in the list is correct. I don't agree with Westbrook not being in the list but people have bias and having an understanding of that I get why he's 12th on his list. Someone could average 50 point 12 assist and 12 rebounds and be 7-0 in the finals but people will still say MJ is the goat.

Sub out Westbrook for Klay, move ben Simmons down to maybe 8 because he is a rookie and is slightly unproven. Is top 10 in the NBA tho if you can’t appreciate his game u don’t understand bball

Damian Rodriguez Ehhh, Wall’s good, but I’d put Defrozen over him.

Jori Derozan is a SG/SF tho

Yes thank you for putting dame on this list, people don’t pay him that much respect just cuz he is own a bad team

Damian Rodriguez CP3

Damian Rodriguez I would add CP3 to the current list and James Harden who is playing PG.. John Wall has to make a case again Simmons was winning games with Embiid out and in one season is doing more than the wizards.. Simmons had the potential to be not only the top PG but perhaps the best player in the NBA but of course isn't close at the moment

AFRICAN ATHEIST UNITED your strong black guy comment is watered down racism. Stop playing you can't hide how you really feel.

AFRICAN ATHEIST UNITED I know exactly what racism is and youre racist because you're dying to call some white guy racist. Just because your black doesn't mean you're the only one who knows what racism is.

Hahaha

AFRICAN ATHEIST UNITED one phrase "white supremacist philosophy" is all that's needed for you to be known as racist. That's a common phrase used by people who try to label others as racist. You've used a lot of jargon to try and disguise your worldview but youre not fooling me. Don't try to insult my intelligence either. I'm a very educated man.

AFRICAN ATHEIST UNITED and just because you didn't explicitly say racist doesnt mean you arent. You chose a terrible username too if you were trying to be incognito about your beliefs.

You think he hates Harden? LMAO Have you seen him talk about Westbrook let alone leave him off the top 10 list?

bruh exactly, Ben simmons ain't even on Tatums level yet but he better than james harden , Greek freak , and kyrie .... BLASPHEMOUS

Elias Ayala you’re insane Ben Simmons is so much better than Tatum lmao

Pablo416 this a Collin burner account right

Elias Ayala you have to be kidding me.. you actually think tatum is better than simmons? you can’t be serious

I Write A Song A Day he’s top 20 but he’s not supposed to be in the top 5

I Write A Song A Day Ben Simmons ain’t even the best player on his team lol

TarvarisJenkins24 steph curry not the best player on his team but he’s top 3. Stupid argument

Barely in top 20

TarvarisJenkins24 that's cause he has a top 12 player on his team

*Jason Kidd. There's no "y".

An Actual Opinion no duh everybody knows that the Pgs of today aren’t really true pgs closest to them is wall Rubio and Paul rondo as well

alex marques Right and Giannis is a WAYYYY BETTER SHOOTER THAN BEN

He’s got better handles and also controls the tempo 🤔 he also rebounds better and carry’s his team

@@1010DoorsAreAlwaysOpen boi giannis also carries his team what are you trying to say and he's still a great rebounder you got me messed if you think Ben is better then giannis

C B Taylor The "tough defense" on Mike is exaggerated a bit. Pistons beat him down in the late 80's but they did that to everyone. Teams like the Knicks kept hard fouls in the game but most teams didn't. They used hard fouls to compensate for lack of skill. The game is in a much better place now. Guys that can only foul hard, have no place in today's game.

SanAntoBalla Did you watch those games or just watching clips ?

C B Taylor probably just watching clips. Another kid born in the 2000's trying to make a case for this era. I've never seen a group of people try SO hard to convince everyone that something is better. If it is so great nowadays, why is there even a need for this argument? Also...if the 90s isn't the greatest era....why is it used as the measuring stick for what greatness is?

if only ben simmons had flow and 3s

Mike Nelson his arguments are never sound or consistent

😂

*axe

Zyke gotta be quick for sure... Most of his shows lead with Russ bashing! Lol

Westbrook > Harden imo

J Circ Ben Simmons can't even shoot. Sucks at free throws too...

J Circ I know you don't honestly think ben simmons is top 10 right now?

I like Ben Simmons, but he's not even the best Sixer.

J Circ ben simmons not even top 20, he will be top 5 in a couple of years but not right now

Kick Simmons to the curb Westbrook without a dought top 5 best in my book and basketball is my least favorite sport and I know Westbrook blow's been away thank you very much!

MsMrapplepie his logic is so off

DGGaming I mean I bet he's touched a ball before.

Daniel Williams he has, but not a basketball lol

Foreal! Ballers know wb is one of a kind great. Colin’s a hater

Wisest Owl You are ruining scrambled eggs on Sunday morning for me and it's the only time the wife ever cooks any more.

Straight up schooling him 😂

Westbrook takes 50 shots to score 20 points! Lmfao!!!

Russell " stat padder" Westbrook

cause he a rookie????!!!!

ANKLETAKER big fax

And you don’t see his greatness??? Stupid comment

Wuzi Mu not even top 100 yet!

Yeah top 10 is ignorant but top 5 should get him fired and bring in Broussard to run this show

Shawn Kemp (1 Lebron (2 KD (tie3 Harden and curry (5 AD (tie6-8 kyrie and kawhi and CP3 (9 westbrook (10tie between antetokounmpo klay wall and PG there are basically 3 tiers top: who are all fighting to be known as the best 1 2nd: those guys that are fighting to be recognized as one of the guys fighting to be the best or are greats with a shortcoming. 3rd: the ones that could be greats but are either not there yet or something happened then there's everyone else

Shawn Kemp wtf man lol, ben simmons aint even top 25 yet lol

Jamal Wallace thank you sir. Rose would have been a killer. Watched every game of his. He was spectacular to watch. That dunk he had on Phoenix. Nasty!

the reason d rose couldn't stay healthy was because of his playstyle and his landings

Facts 💯 When d Rose was healthy and in his prime, nobody could stay in front of him, and he started to develop his 3 point and mid range game, he was basically unguardable!! And he was a humble, willing, passer as well(unlike Westbrook). Check the footage in case you forgot!!! #englewoodalumni

Jamal Wallace I agree. I was wondering why that lack of respect. Rose was a beast and deserved the MVP.

Bro he wasn’t that good u can chill out

If Lebron played back in the days, the NBA men will really give Lebron a reason to flop!

maribatcric Thts gospel right there!

maribatcric nah in Undisputed they have the decency to put one lebron lover and one lebron heater to keep the balance.this one is a anti RW monologue) i don't like RW but i hate it when people on national tv hate athletes so openly.