Ketron Event! Is it better than Medeli AKX10?! NOT A COMPARISON! 

Real Ballad is a custom style made exclusively for this presentation, it uses the real audio drum loop, our sampled bass guitar, acoustic strummer loops and pads with distortion guitar loops. Nothing factory here. But you are absolutely right, the video is about Ketron, which is the point that unfortunately many people miss in the comments. 👍

The same music is in the beginning of the video as well. :)

Is thats content factory or its yours samples and rythm? 😮

Everything played on Medeli in this video is custom made. Its factory resources are nothing special, however as a platform it is magnificent. With Ketron it is totally the opposite, factory content is somewhat good, while as a platform for any serious work it is a joke.

If you waited for this long just wait a little bit more as Genos 2 is around the corner, if you are ok with the price of course. At the moment 6 years old Genos is sold for almost 4000, which is really to much for a great, but still flawed instrument. If Yamaha make the SX900 successor with better keys (old but gold FS6 keybed from DX7, M1, T3, Pa1X, Extreme, i30...) it would be the perfect arranger.

@@DynamixAudio Do you mean the Yamaha SX900 has the same keybed like the Korg M1 has? I used to service and repair them. Will have a look in my database to see if I had any SX900's to check about this. Yes the M1 and other Korgs had the steel contact keybed made by Yamaha that never gave trouble if one takes good care of it. Thank you for your suggestion you're right again 👍

Oh no, SX900 has a so called FSB keybed. It is probably the best of all plastic, only rubber contact springed keybed, but still far from FS6. I meant if Yamaha would make the SX900 successor with the FS6-like keybed it would be a perfect arranger. Not only that FS6 lasts at least 4 generations, but the subjective feel is incredible. There are better keybeds, for example Roland Fantom, and BK9, but even the Genos/Tyros one would be great for such a great and relatively affordable arranger.

I never played with the SD9, but the common sense says they are very similar or made on the same platform. If SD9 does not have this latency problem, it would make things even worse for the newer Event. You can test it like I did in the video, simply play unison left and right hand with some faster passages and synchro start and stop turned on. You can share the video with us, it would be interesting to see.

@@DynamixAudio Thank you very much for your feedback !! Ah Ok , I just tried with only the K Start turned on, and not K Start and K Stop together. I will test 👍

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The memory itself is not a big problem really, as 1 GB can be really enough for many advanced sampled instruments. The major problem is that Event can have only 32 multisamples, and I forgot to mention this very important flaw. This is mind-blowing, I can not imagine a meeting where someone suggests the 5000 Euro/Dollar keyboard with this limit. This video is not about the Medeli, the AKX10 was just used for a comparison as it is one of the least expensive arrangers on the market that does almost everything right, but just to correct you it can have 2 insert effects for styles and songs, 4 insert effects for the real time tracks of the right and left hand, and two send effects that are not locked to a style, but to a performance memory, which is great as on other keyboards those are tied to a style. Genos has 27 effects, however not all can be used simultaneously of course, but still it is a great thing to have. No need to be a fan at all, simply objectively this affordable Medeli does almost everything right compared to this expensive Ketron. As for Yamaha, even Genos is very expensive and it is often seen as very difficult to recommend, especially with SX900 around and being brilliant for 40% of the price.

@@DynamixAudio with System Exclusive, i manage to have on my Genos: 2 effects inserted on Percussions, 2 on drums, 1 for each other channels. No need for more. That is 10 inserted effects. Combining with a song with other inserted effects, used with a secondary external midi keyboard, it's a plant, a mad sci-fi music engine power plant comparing to other workstations or arrangers. About the memory, for 5k , they want to be above Genos or Pa4x (PA5X is a mess now) , with only 1GB for user sampler? It's a bad joke. Yes, You can do a good job with only 1Gb . But at 5k , You ask for more memory or get a cheaper arranger with 1Gb If it's enough for the user samples. The user sample system is just the cherry on the top . And again, the bottons remember me of the K2600 or the SP series of the Kurzweil. Wich like the Korg PA 1/2x had a lot of issues with the plastic caps of the bottons.

Vidéo intéressante comme toujours, bravo à vous 👍. Personnellement je dispose d'un Psrsx 900 qui est excellent,,une fois réalisé l'importation de drums kits personnels et sonorités bien choisies. Une très bonne continuation musicale à toute l'équipe et vive la musique 🎹 Theret Jean-Luc.

Some functions can be triggered with the pedal board. Not sure what is the basis for their OS, but the user disk is NTFS formatted. They have a module of the SD9 called SD90, which is a very interesting concept, however everything said about the Event is probably the same for the SD90.

@@DynamixAudio As far as I know, the SD9, SD90 and Event use the same outdated and convoluted Operating System.

Pa5X is a perfect arranger on paper, unfortunately the reality looks a lot different. Custom sampled sounds can improve it, however not by much as the main problem persist.

Genos it’s easy to use, working good, no bugs, and I’m satisfied with the sound. I got pa1000, pa3x, ketron sd90 and yamaha sx900 just last months, I use to play and buy many differents keyboards from big brands, you get nice things on all the keyboards, but in my opinion, Genos it’s most complete and easy to play. nice keybed too, and easy to transport. Registration Bank on yamaha its the best. I like the construction of pa3,4,5x and some sounds and functions but i think there’s not so good styles and some problems with break, fill in. The best is to get a Genos and a pa5x but it’s expensive and personally i don’t like to use 2 keyboards. all in one i like, and so far Genos it’s the best choice for me.

This is something I played just for this video, it is not an existing song.

@@DynamixAudio Very enchanting though. I feel deeply I need to learn it ;)

Feel free to learn it. 😉👍

do a search there are a few, but thats the advantage of yamaha, a huuge user community. i have the sx900

usted casi se burla de medeli akx10 en su reseña... ahora viene a echarle flores??' eso es como ser doble cara. ahora me doy cuenta que quizas yamaha o ketron le pagaron a usted por hablar mal de medeli...

Exactly! It is called magic mentality. Is someone could bring the Kurzweil maybe we can do something about it...

Interesting you asked, "Can you test the Kurzweil 2700?" I have a Forte which they recently discontinued when they introduced the 2700. Actually, the Forte is better in most areas ... especially the import ones. If I had a choice today to buy a used Forte or new 2700, I would opt for the Forte every time. :)

Only 4 layers. And only 32 multisamples. And only 6 seconds per sample.

@@DynamixAudio If possible, make a video about it! I want to know for sure, I want to buy from this tool,, please share about making this sound,

No need for a separate video to show this ultimate limitation.

@@DynamixAudio I got it, but I wanted to know how to fix the sound, so is it possible to add layers after 4 pieces? Does it show 4 layers there?

There is an easy fix, just buy a proper arranger.

I still believe there are some brilliant people working for Ketron, they just need one more person to organize their work in some usable way, hardware and software. Someone who actually use arranger keyboards and know how they should look, feel and operate.

It is inciteful that you mentiIon "outstanding sounds of the EVent". Have you heard the PA-5X played with WavesArt libraries? I am not necessarily a Korg fan, but IMHO the Wavesart libraries put the PA-5X in a class above the Event and Genos. Personally, I have a Tyros 4 which I use with Gig Performer which of course supplies the super-plugins necessary to provide the real live sounds. ... again putting this combination above the Event. EG: IkMultiMedia B-3X, U-he DIVA and Zerba2, Omnisphere, Ivory American Grand piano, Ample Guitars, AD2 drums etc. etc.

yup@@DynamixAudio

Medeli sounds good here as it uses our sampled instruments, styles and this incredible live audio drum loop. When I say that it sounds great I mean when loaded with some serious sampled instruments, then it can compare with everything on the market no matter the price. Factory ROM base from the AKX10 is nothing special, and if looked only by that I understand people thinking bad of this keyboard, however its strongest part is the sampler and how it reproduces some seriously sampled material. Mixing internal multisamples and custom made multisamples would be great, however this will bring all sorts of complications, so really there is no need. I made a list for Medeli developers to include many more options for the AKX10, for example to show the lyrics, to have ability to save the Performance memory with only those parts we want, to have scales separated with all 3 Right voices, to have half bar fill available for assignable buttons, to get the ability for Round Robin for drums and sampled instrument layers, and many more things that will make it a beast. When it comes to ADA conversion, this is mostly overblown. It is great it has the TI chip, however the much more important thing that the chip itself is how it is implemented. But the point is, even the cheapest chips found on some cheap computer motherboards reproduce 20hz to 20khz with the flat line, maybe the distortion is not low at -110db but there at -75db, and the noise is not low as -118db but right there at -80db, however for a keyboard that will be used for live performances or playing home with its integrated speakers, it is well enough really. The only problem is Korg, that somehow does not reproduce the audio well, why? No one knows, but this is the state of things for the last few decades. But again, this video is not about Medeli. :)

@@DynamixAudio i believe Korg already overcompressed the internal sounds, and that's why the Keyboards have a linear and cut sound. If there is no headroom for a compression because the sound is already overcompressed, it's normal that Korg sound like a "16 teen online mastering track". Yes, the higher waves spikes are not cut, but If You analize the waveforms, they are overcompressed.

This is true for their sounds since always, they limit their samples to death. However there is another problem with Korg as it does not reproduce the sampled audio data correctly as well. It sounds like someone put the blankets over the speakers, there is no low end at all, however the same samples work totally different on Yamaha, Medeli or Roland. What is the reason for this, no one knows.

@@DynamixAudio i just have the feeling that because Korg sampler and audio card (based on the thing that old pa1/2/3x had SPDIF OUT blocked on 48KHz) are blocked on 48KHz, and even If they load 44.1KHz samples, I think they are resampled.... and the memories of an old soundcard creative audigy, that had the same issue on ASIO and digital i/o ... The Korg "heart" is a Creative Audigy chipset system. 😁 And that would explain a lot... 😈

@@DynamixAudio ah, and about the samples... I made a pack, combining samples and internal sounds. With a good mix and master/insert effects, this keyboard proves it got a lot of potential. Pity the last version of firmware and Grand Suite messed up a lot of my work on my last working progress pack, because the GS deletes effects, got some issues on main C and D for some styles, and the cherry on the top, once saved, the styles have other format unrecognized by the old GS. A big mess and waste of my time.

Naravno da svakom uređaju treba pristupiti iznova i svežeg mozga, čini mi se da sam o tome govorio u videu za Yamahu u odnosu na Korg na koji su svi navikli, ali određeni segmenti klavijature i dizajna interfejsa nisu ni stvar navike ni ličnih preferenci, već su zasnovani na ljudskoj fizionomiji i načinu kako se instrument inače koristi u odnosu na to, evo nekoliko konkretnih primera: Dugmići ne smeju biti svi istih dimenzija, boje i oblika a da na njima ne sija njihova funkcija. Takođe, dugmići moraju biti grupisani tako da budu jednostavni za razumevanje, ako već postoje plava linija koja uokviruje tri segmenta na gornjem panelu klavijature, nema razloga da ne postoji baš nikakva logika u njihovom grupisanju. Lampice na dugmićima koji imaju višestruku funkciju, kao što su varijacije i prelazi moraju da rade tako da korisnik uvek zna šta je aktivno, primer Yamaha i Medeli imaju LED lampice na varijacijama koje sijaju kada je varijacija aktivna, a blinkaju kada je aktivan prelaz. Onda START i STOP dugme koje kod ovih klavijatura blinka u jednoj boji u zadatom tempu dok aranžer ne radi, ali onda blinka u dve boje sa naglaskom na prvu dobu u taktu kada aranžer radi. Ovo su samo neki od detalja kojih ima zaista mnogo, a koji ne postoje u Ketron svemiru, klavijatura se naravno može naučiti baš kako si i sugerisao, no ne postoji nijedan dobar razlog zašto bismo se navikavali da hodamo na rukama ako nam noge služe savršeno dobro za to. I to samo uzimajući u obzir zdravu logiku i razum, da ne ulazimo u astronomsku cenu ovog instrumenta. Vezano za audio i midi argument koji si izneo, ovo je jedna od najčešćih stvari oko koje se stvara nerazumevanje. Audio i midi su dve potpuno različite stvari, audio je format onoga što čujemo, a midi je protokol kolim trigerujemo sve ono što čujemo. Tako da je ono što svi zovu midi zapravo i dalje audio, samo se ne radi o lupovima već o pojedinačnim semplovima, a u oba slučaja to su audio fajlovi za koje klavaijturu nije briga šta su jer je to identičan WAV format od 16 bit i 44.1 khz, a koristi se midi za trigerovanje i sinhronizaciju tih fajlova. Dakle, ne postoji nijedan dobar razlog ili opravdanje da se start aranžera odloži za 300 milisekundi, jer se isto ne dešava ni sa zvukovima u desnoj ruci, bar ne uvek. Nije retko da se desi da desna ruka preskoči ono što sviramo i kašlje kad god aranžer ima "zahtevniji" zadatak sa synchro start i stop, što se može čuti na primerima gde se jasno vidi i čuje da sinkope u desnoj ruci prosto ne zvuče ono što ja sviram. Ali da se vratim na latenciju, digitalni audio je uvek u latenciji i nikad u real time, ali te latencije se mere u dve ili tri milisekundi kod studijskih sistema gde to nije mnogo važno, digitalni mikseri imaju oko jedne milisekunde a gotovo sve klavijature koje su danas na tržištu imaju ispod jedne milisekunde latencije, što je zanemarljivo zaista. Čak sve do 10 milisekundi je veoma upotrebljivo. Nema nikakvog razloga da se prosto puštanje nekoliko audio fajlova u formatu 16 bit i 44.1 khz odloži za 300 milisekundi, tako nešto bilo koji telefon iz 2018. može da pusti bez problema. Ketron se ne služi magijom ma šta mnogi verovali, to je prost puštač audio fajlova kao i svaki drugi player na planeti, kako su uspeli da pokvare jednu tako jednostavnu funkciju, ne razumem zaista. U pravu si za 8 varijacija, trebalo je da to pomenem kada sam govorio o intro i ending, no isto važi i za njih, nema hardverskih dugmića već postoji jedno dugme kojim se menjaju te varijacije a da pritom nemamo nikakav vizuelni poakzatelj koje su aktivne, to je zaista neverovatno. Ograničeni smo na display na kome uvek moramo biti na adekvatnoj stranici kako bi znali šta se dešava, a u brzini dok traje svirka tražiti po displeju dugmiće ne samo da nije savršeno već čini neke funckije nemogućim kao što je čitanje tekstova ili listanje registracija, pa se ništa značajno ne menja u mojoj oceni koja se odnosila na nedostatak dugmića i njihovo korišenje. Interfejs je prosto loš, ma kako se mi na njega navikli i verovatno naučili da ga koristimo. Kako hardware na gornjem panelu tako i software sa nepostojećom ergonomijom i osnovnom estetikom u oba slučaja. Tu nema opravdanja, ne samo u odnosu na cenu već i da je ovo instrument od 1000 Eura/Dolara to bi i dalje bio nepremostiv nedostatak. Sa cenom ovog instrumenta koja non stop visi nad našim glavama dok pravdamo ove nedostatke, stvari počinju da budu pomalo uvredljive za zdrav razum. I da, power dugme. Miljane, ne želim za 5000 Eura/Dolara dugme koje je tako dizajnirano, ma koliko ti ili nekod rugi smatrao da je to manja nelagodnost. Time što sam ovo pomenuo izneo sam poštovanje prema svačijem novcu koji se teško zaradi da bi se platio jedan ovako nedovršen i loše dizajniran proizvod. Naravno da postoji mnogo stvari koje nisam pomenuo, u suprotnom video bi trajao nekoliko sati. Za početak da klavijatura zvuči izvrsno, no ovo nije review klaviajture i ne moramo asertivno ponavljati stvari koje svi dobro znamo, a to je da je zvuk koji izlazi iz nje izvrstan. Ali, to nije klavijatura već resursi koje su brilijantni Italijanski inženjeri i muzičari napravili, to je za svaku pohvalu. No, ima i još mnogo negativnih stvari koje nisam pomenuo, između ostalog sve ovo što si naveo iznad, a svakako i dva ograničenja uvredljiva za svačiju inteligenciju: Samo 32 multisempla i samo 6 sekundi za svaki sempl. Na kom odboru i na kom sastanku je neko smislio ovo i predložio, a da su se svi složili kao da je to dobra ideja, zaista mi je teško da zamislim. Zaključak si sam veoma lepo izneo, klaviajtura zvuči izvrsno ali ako imaš sreće da ne prestane da radi u pola večeri, što se iz iskustva naših prijatelja iz Rumunije došavalo toliko često da su 3 klavijature vraćene u prodavnicu nakon sedam dana. Može se na nju navići, ali samo donekle i samo za ponešto i to sve dok se ne dođe u situaciju da se zapitamo zašto bismo se na to navikavali. Zbog zvuka? Možda, ali tek neko ko živi negde na zapadu. Mi ovde i dalje moramo da koristimo naše resurse da bi uopšte svirali, a tako je u mnogim delovima planete. U tom slučaju, sve ono što su brilijantni Italijani uradili po pitanju resursa pada u vodu, a ostaje nam izvanredno falični hardware i software da se sa njim borimo i to za naše rođene novce. Hvala Miljane, ali neka hvala. Što je žalosno, pre svega iz moje lične perspektive gde bi mi jedan SD90 modul savršeno legao za ono što je meni potrebno, a sama proizvodnja resursa za Ketron donela prilično novca prodajom na sajtu, ali šta je tu je. Što dodatno pravi smešnim sve teorije zavera koji kažu da me je Medeli platio kako bih ponizio Ketron. Medeli je nebitan ovde, ali realno ne moraju da troše novac na to, Ketron čini sve da sam sebe unizi. :)

@@DynamixAudio Mozda se nisam najbolje izrazio vezano za audio i midi, mislio sam na ritam koji je baziran na midi bubnju i ritam koji je baziran na audio loop. Pa mi je tu malo nelogicno porediti ta dva ritma pri koriscenju synhro strat/stop funkcije. A latencija postoji, to stoji, i ne opravdavam je nicim. Ne znam. Iz licnog iskustva nisam imao problem da se prilagodim kompletnom panelu na SD seriji, moze biti biti svakako bolji. Ali kao sto rekoh, opet bih to svrstao u licni dozivljaj svakog korisnika. Cijena da je visoka svakako jeste, ali sta danas nije precijenjeno. Da li je pa5x precijenjen s obzirom da ne nudi makar live gitare, i mutavi izlaz semplova? Sto se tice semplera, takodje stoji, ogranicen je. Ali npr, ja sam koristio fabricke harmonike na SD seriji. Nisam imao potrebe za semplovima, a koliko sam cuo neke primjere kod kolega, sada su ti interni semplovi jos bolji. No, opet kazem, ja sam koristio, nekim kolegama te istr boje nisu radile posao. Nedostataka svakako ima, more, znam sve. Ali nije bas toliko losa klavijatura koliko je mozda predstavljena u ovom videu. Na kraju krajeva svak ce svirati sta mu odgovara. Ali sustina je da ketron stvarno ima inovativne ideje, koje su nedovrsene. U tom smislu, oprostio bih panel, dugmice, slidere, ako bi se sredile polovicne funkcije koje su date. Znaci poenta moje price je da mi kudimo vec gotovu spravu, a nista tu ne mozemo promjeniti, mislim na dizajn i neka resenja. Ali hajde da kudimo ono sto se mozda moze promjeniti, konkretno mislim da softverska resenja. Nadam se da necu biti pogresno shvacen

Razumeo sam te i prvi put Miljane, ali ne mogu da se složim sa bilo kakvim izgovorima za ovoliki novac i zbog deset korisnih stilova sa snimcima bubnjara, basiste i gitariste koji sviraju u pozadini, wow čudo moderne tehnologije. Ne baš. Ne kažem da se ne može privići na mane jer naravno može za šta si i ti dobar primer, ali mana ima daleko više nego prednosti a nakon toga za ovoliki novac privikavati se na stvari koje su isključivo produkt lošeg dizajna a ne tehničkih mogućnosti je nedopustivo. Midi i audio, opet ću ponoviti, nikakve veze nema da li stil pušta midi trake ili audio trake, latencija sistema treba da je ista jer i midi trake dalje trigeruju audio playback. Nema opravdanja za ovo nikakvog. Što se tiče ostalih klavijatura koje su falične a skupe, to takođe nije nikakav izgovor ni opadanje, Pa5X je trenutno drugi u nizu loših kupovina po odnosu plaćeno/dobijeno iako je na papiru savršen aranžer, Event drži prvu poziciju bezbedno na vrhu liste. Medeli AKX10 i neki drugi pristupačni instrumenti kao recimo PSR SX700 ruše sve barijere u ovom smislu. Verovanje u magiju zato što je klavijatura plaćena mnogo je tek posebna tema i o tome ne bih komentarisao. Na kraju, mene ne zanima šta ko kupuje i na šta troši novac i u tom smislu Ketron Event je potpuno validan izbor. Kada je u pitanju objektivna ocena, gotovo sve što video pokazuje stoji. Tebe i ostale koji imate Event ovo ne treba da vređa na bilo koji način, ovaj video je u vašu korist jer je izgleda ovo jedino što Ketronu može da skrene pažnju, dok su molbe za razna poboljšanja tokom godina otišle niz vetar, iz ličnog iskustva govorim.

@@DynamixAudio Daleko od toga da me vrijedja. Ja sam zbog bugova vezanih za drum set negdje i prodao SD9. Ali iznosim svoje poglede i misljenja jer sam dosta vremena proveo i uz audyu a jos vise uz SD9

If I knew how many people will religiously hold to their beliefs that Ketron is something that came straight from gods I would make some disclaimer first and then start the video as with how things are set now everyone get stricken by this title and first minute or two that contain only the flaws and here is where the rage begins. Incredible how no one understands that this video is in their favour actually. To answer your questions. First thank you for mentioning the 6 seconds limit for wav files, I forgot to mention this as it is very important, also I forgot to mention that it can hold only 32 multisamples. While 6 seconds are manageable if everything else is stellar with the keyboard, the 32 multisamples limit is simply asinine. When it comes to piano, Ketron Even has some nice piano voice, there are many to choose from, however it is basically the same multisample but coloured differently with filters and effects. Not exactly cheating as all other manufacturers do it, however here it is more noticeable than with others. But you are right, 6 seconds is not enough for a piano, as the natural sustain changes the frequency change rapidly in the first few seconds so to create a good loop for every sample the piano needs at least 7 or 8 seconds, often much more. Then 4 layer only for a voice, this is incredibly small amount of oscillators. You can create some simple sounds of course, flutes or synths, but anything that needs the Note Off triggering, and more layers, simply forget it. All that if we forget the interface and the extremely slow workflow. Creating styles for Yamaha is very easy. Many things can be done on the keyboard, however the interface is not very intuitive and Yamaha did not make it user friendly as the keyboard resets track settings on every undo or delete after recording, and there is more of those small annoying things. This works on Korg and Roland much better. But almost everything can be done on the keyboard, except chord variations that are hidden from the user for some reason, which Medeli made well as they allowed all 16 channels to be used in style editor, which is still not good as Korg's style editor. But the main thing is that no one creates styles from scratch on the keyboard, it is slow, finicky, ergonomics does not exist, so any DAW will make this process much faster and simpler. Also it will unlock all hidden options for Yamaha styles, this is why I strongly suggest doing it this way. There is a strong community that make many useful software for Yamaha, so creating styles for Yamaha from scratch is a breeze. Yamaha uses CASM data to allow the style's advanced features, it is not complicated as it sounds at first so it is possible to create some very advanced styles, the same as Yamaha did with their factory styles, no limits there. They limit what can be done in YEM while sampling, but that is another story. When it comes to your next arranger, this must be your decision of course, but it is very important to understand what do you need and how you use your arranger. If you use only factory stuff, then even Ketron Event can be an interesting option if you forget that you paid 5000 Euro/Dollar for everything we mentioned earlier (together with DOS naming, and probably Windows base as it is NTFS base, latency, bugs, and Apollo 9 guidance computer interface). However if you use the keyboard professionally and want to make it much better with your styles, sampled instruments and drum kits, then Yamaha is still somewhere near the top of the list. It is still far from perfect, but nothing is really. In this scenario Medeli is much more than a cheap, plastic arranger that is used by amateurs as it has the same style structure as Yamaha so creating complex styles is a breeze. It has a very powerful sampler, much more powerful than what Yamaha gave us, so Medeli AKX10 is basically much better as a powerful base that musicians use to make their own setup, than a keyboard that is brilliant right out of the box. This is a very important differentiation and people should choose it while understanding this completely. This is why I said that professionals can use the AKX10, it is plastic and it does not look "premium" maybe, but when packed with some great styles and sampled data, it can deliver some brilliant results. I personally would use it professionally just after Medeli introduces some changes I suggested them to make, no problem there as I really do not buy that "flagship" thing, and what counts even more, it is cheap to replace if I need it to be replaced for any reason, while having a 5000 Euro/Dollar instrument is great but very problematic when you need to send it for service or warranty. Korg is self-discredited brand as their keyboards sound like broken for over 3 decades now. Something they do with audio makes their keyboard sound bad no mater you use factory or sampled resources, it simply can not reproduce the audio well. Why? I have no idea. It should be a simple thing, you press the key, the OS plays the file. But no with Korg for some reason. The same goes to the extremely expensive Pa5X, which sounds like it came from the nineties when you take it out of the box, but still reproduces the sampled audio incorrectly compared to how all other keyboards reproduce it. No low end no matter the EQ, it sums the channels badly, simply the same audio sample played through Korg and other keyboards show some difference, not to mention the difference when you sum 4 or 5 channels to the main outs. The difference is huge. Roland will introduce new arranger in November, people talk about Genos 2 coming out relatively soon, so I suggest waiting for a little while, which should not be a problem as SX700 is brilliant.

@@DynamixAudio Thank you for further clarifications. It's important that we are aware about shortcomings before we decide. I mean, it's ok if keyboard doesn't have (or can't do) "this & that" -the problem is, if some of these things come to surface (as a surprise) after we paid for it. Wish you all the best.

First it needs to work. Then everything else.

Ketron Event is a joke. If not a joke it would be a disaster.

Things need to be put into perspective if you want to be objective. For 700 or 800 Euro or Dollar the AKX10 will certainly have some limitations, but those limitations will not be the functionality or the design, but the resources that come with it when you open the box, specifically the sounds and styles. If you expect to use it professionally simply by unpacking it, then you better search somewhere else as it needs a few upgrades with styles and sounds to give its full potential. But if you are willing to spend another 200 or 300 on some serious sounds and styles then it can be a very powerful platform for you, much more than anything else in this price range. So it all depends on what you expect from it, for people who do not use factory resources even with Genos this is a great option to save some money and spend on things that they will actually use. Yamaha SX700 is also a magnificent keyboard which brings Yamaha's famous sounds and styles for a bit more money, so it all depends on how you want to use the instrument. When comparing the keyboards you do not only compare how they sound out of the box, but what can you do with it later, and in this regard the Event sounds great first but then it starts to be depressing very fast with its flaws and limitations. On the other hand, the AKX10, SX700 or SX900 are great in their respective price range and give you the ability to work with and upgrade easily later, which is not true for Ketron Event, for 5000 you are stuck with all its flaws and great factory resources, so if you can live with those I suppose it will be ok.

@@DynamixAudio Yes, the Ketron Event has so much promise. Maybe they will come out with a massive software upgrade to fix many things, but the annoying mechanics that you've mentioned will be hard to fix.

Well, the majority of problems I mentioned in the video were there with Audya, so after 15 years they did not move forward when slightly. Expecting them to fix so many things now is not realistic. I would be surprised if they understand that those are some serious problems in the first place.

Potpuno se slažem.

I agree as well it has some realistic guitar parts and bass in styles and some good realnsounds but other than that i dont think is better than genos

Arranger keyboards are meant to be used for live playing, no one is using them seriously for any studio work as they are basically toys in that environment. Weddings, restaurants, receptions, all kinds of parties are played with the arranger keyboards all over the world, this is what they are made for if there is no room or a budget for a complete band, or if someone wants to play as a one man band.

​​@@DynamixAudioou are right, but I was specifically talking about Event. Its big, clumsy, expensive, and all the efforts that were put in it, focused on sound quality, and not on being reliable etc. Even the fact that it is SSD based, should light a red warning for those looking for reliance and stability. Is it a toy versus home studio Vsti's and sample libraries? Time will tell, but it certainly doesn't sound like one in the demos.

I agree, it is large and heavy, however Korg Pa4X and Pa5X with 76 keys, and Genos are also large, not to mention the old G70, G1000, and others. However, professionals who play arranger keyboards for their living take this as a compromise as they all want "a flagship" which has more keys, thus the wight. When it comes to studio, it is really a toy that shows all of its flaws in the studio much easier than when playing live, where many flaws can be covered with background noise. As for VSTi, those are much better than the ROM base of this keyboard, which is average at best. Again, VSTis are used in serious studio work, but producers usually record live instruments instead anyway, so Event has no place in any serious studio workflow really.

@@DynamixAudio The home producers market is huge right now, and if you invest constantly in sample libraries, within few years it may definitely get to Event pricepoint for some. I used to have Ketron modules, and like their sounds very much actually.

Glad you mentioned it, for 5000 you can get some incredible VSTi stuff. I understand you like it, objectively Ketron sounds are just the average for a ROMpler, no match for a serious VSTi. Thanks for commenting.

This is not a comparison, but Ketron Event review. You should watch the video to the end before commenting. But you are correct, both brands have different images, Medeli being a manufacturer of cheap bad instruments, Ketron for producing extremely expensive bad instruments. So Medeli over delivered, and Ketron as usual under delivered.

Not sure, maybe someone here knows the right answer.

Which is really common sense. 👍

They sound great musically. Unfortunately, everything else is a mess.

As I stated in the end of this video, this is not about Medeli but about Ketron Event being extremely flawed, and not only for the price. Medeli was here simply because it does many things right while being many times less expensive, so no excuses for Ketron. This comparison is not made to tell you what to buy, or to directly compare two products, but to raise the awareness that some very expensive pieces of gear can be very bad at almost everything. This is not a comparison, but the list of (almost) everything wrong with Ketron Event. It is advisable to watch the video to the end, then you would have heard me saying all this. But as you rushed to write something you totally missed the point, no metal box, and no flagship stickers can fix the issues this instrument has. If you purchase it just for the metal case alone, then I suppose you will be happy with it. As for us having an agreement with Medeli, you should use logic as your nickname suggests. First, we would make a lot of profit by making styles and sampled instruments for Ketron as well, and second, Medeli exists in a totally different universe, I do not believe they will have any impact in attacking Ketron. Their customers are very different. In the end, there is no need to attack Ketron, they do everything in their power to speed up their demise.

If you find yourself a keyboard that suits your needs right out of the box then your argument is valid off course. But you are by no means a benchmark. I would say you are an exemption. Maybe you buy the keyboard only for the preset sounds and styles, however many professionals user the keyboard as a platform for what they need and want to achieve. It is maybe difficult for you to understand from your cultural background, but on this planet there are probably a few times more people that need some authentic and custom made pack only to be able to use their keyboard, than people like you who just take it out of the box and use just factory presets. It's naive to think that everyone thinks just like we do and everyone live their lives just like we do, this is why many musicians find Ketron Event flawed because It doesn't have the resources needed for the type of music they're playing out of the box, but then again it is not designed well for creating custom packs either. Many musicians coffee the keyboard because of the custom packs, sampled instruments, styles available for that model, just to get them ready for playing and working professionally with their arranger keyboard. And this is the main point of this video. It doesn't tell you which keyboard is better or worse or what you need to buy because it is a personal preference and everyone should choose what they want and what they need. This video covers some very important things when it comes to ergonomics, design language and important aspects of human physiology that should be taken into account when making an instrument like this. This is what I do not accept any apologetics about Catherine event being flawed as it is very expensive and all the limitations it has are not there because of some technical limits but it is purely a bad design and for this alone there is no excuse. Sorry.

I do not agree, sounds are better on Yamaha, Ketron sounds are nice but nothing special. Ketron has some great factory audio loops so factory styles are brilliant, but that is about it, everything else is a mess. As an arranger, technically it is much better executed on Medeli, so not a joke unfortunately. Upgrade? What upgrade? I do not remember Audya having this amount of latency. Audya was a mess as well, but having the same (mediocre at best) product 10 years later is mind boggling.

@@DynamixAudio I was talking more about the left hand. The band. The real drums. The real guitars The real bass.

Style tracks sound great. If you can live only with factory sounds and styles, and if you can live with all its shortcomings and bad design, then I suppose it is ok. Realistically, way too many IFs for the price.

@@DynamixAudio you can create your own styles. There are some great ones which I have. Custom with real audio drums. I have many custom Brasilian styles. What you forgot to mention was the horrible connections on the SIDE. Who wants cables coming out the side of keyboard? Disaster waiting to happen. I love my Audya 5

Oh yes, the USB port on the side is problematic but it is doable, there are many small USB drives that will not cause trouble even if you bump them. As for the custom packs, you can have it for Yamaha, Korg, Roland and Medeli, altogether with audio drums and guitars, which makes the Event much less desirable with its flaws.

Lepi horološki primerci su uvek prigodna tema. 😉👍

I do not believe I will make any comparison. This video was not a comparison, it shows things that no one mentions when reviewing Ketron Event. Medeli was used just to show that the "premium" or "flagship" stickers, and astronomic price does not guarantee a good product. Also Medeli is used to show that you do not need to pay a lot to get some basic things designed and implemented well. So, no comparisons.

It sounds good, but no excuses for being extremely flawed, especially for the price.

@@DynamixAudio I accept your opinion. Everyone has the right to an opinion. But my opinion is different and for me Ketron is number 1.

Everything shown in the video are facts, not my opinion. If you choose to compromise, then I respect your right to do it, but that is you opinion. This video is made for people who want to know as much as possible before purchasing this very expensive piece of equipment, so really no reason for you or anyone else to take it personally.

@@DynamixAudio I agree with you about the old interface and the buttons, dial, etc ... but I played many arrangers and in live situation the Ketron sounds better than others. The problem with start and stop is on the audio styles of the Ketron, no ? Not on midi styles ? It's important for the comparaison I think ...

@Renaud LAMOTHE You are correct in general, but you see, here is the major problem with being apologetic about all those flaws, let me explain. First, you are right about midi styles being better with the latency, however you are paying 5000 for the arranger that has some magnificent audio tracks of drums, bass and guitars recorded by brilliant Italian musicians and producers so you can use them for your live performance, and then you end up not using them completely and using the midi styles just because it has some audio latency, this is really nonsensical. Let me remind you that Korg can import and slice audio drum loops since Pa1X natively, while Yamaha Genos and PSR SX offers a real audio arranger track that can be stretched just like Ketron does, just without audio glitches. It is very easy to use, it uses the midi programming for the style base, you just add your favorite audio drums, no latency, no hassle. Even this affordable Medeli can do it as you can see in this video, you can use sliced audio files without any problem. Second, you are correct again with the sound quality argument, however things are not that simple as the sound of the keyboard depends of few different things: factory resources, and the keyboard'a ability to sound great without those resources. Maybe you use factory stuff to play, which is totally fine if you live in those parts of the planet where this is possible, however majority of musicians all over the world create or purchase a custom made packs to play the music popular in their part of the planet, so Ketron styles and audio tracks they paid for are not much useful for them, they end up with the arranger that has a latency, very bad button layout, poor sampling abilities with the sampler being able to have ONLY 32 multisamples ?!?!?! and not being able to get more than 4 layers per sampled voice. So the answer to your "sounds great" argument is that it is not the keyboard, but resources that Ketron made and put into this keyboard, which is great but not used by everyone all the time. If you strip that out, you are left with the flawed platform that will sound much worse than anything else on the market because of its limitations. On the other hand, this affordable Medeli does not have good factory resources at all, but the ability to make it sound good with anything you and others might put into it is brilliant. Then Yamaha Genos and PSR SX, it has some great factory resources, styles and sounds, but then again it can be made to sound even better with custom made packs and sets. And both, Medeli and Yamaha being much more ergonomic and better executed than Ketron Event. So, it is not so simple to say it sounds great. Yes it does, but different people need different things, this is why I believe that the price Ketron is asking for this instrument is way to hight for what this instrument really is, maybe not for everyone, but for many people around the world.

I am not laughing. Those are serious issues.

I know there’s issues I have one but it still sounds fantastic it’s a pity I can’t buy your drums tho as they turned my genos around for me

I did not mention how it sounds in my video because everyone can hear that it sounds great, also I really do not need to be apologetic for stating those obvious flaws, people should not take it personally. Just the opposite, the criticism is good for the final customer. When it comes to sampling drums, unfortunately there is no good option to sample good quality drums on Ketron, but we can always make some great sounding audio drums loops if you need them, Event should play them well.

@@DynamixAudio ok I want you do make them I’ll call you to see how it works

Great point, Ketron event is like VW Beetle, extremely flawed by today's standards, underdeveloped, buggy (pun intended), and religiously adored by its fans no matter how bad technically is. But you know what else is also a nonsense, comparing a car model to a car brand.

@@DynamixAudio Oh a little smartass

It is a fact. Few questions for you: Have you watched this video to the end? Do you own AKX10 or Event?

I would, but its flaws make me feel suicidal.

@@DynamixAudio If 10 people read the same Bible, you get 10 different opinions. This is also the case with musical instruments. Always show respect for other manufacturers' work. Hope I get to try a Medeli sometime.

If you watch this video to the end you will hear me saying that this is not about Medeli, but about Ketron being extremely expensive while being flawed in some very important segments. Medeli is irrelevant here really as people who want to buy Ketron do not think about Medeli and vice versa, but it is very useful in this comparison as Medeli did almost everything right while costing much less than Ketron. It just shows that things can be done well no matter the price. As for the respect, it should be earned. Nothing should be respected by default, not even your bible. For you as a Ketron user, Medeli has nothing to offer as you probably like the resources and audio quality that comes with the Event, and no ergonomics or easy of use arguments will change your mind as you said that you replaced Genos with the Event which tells me that you do not care about that. I would like to know more about how you use your arranger, how often and what kind of performances you are using it for.

you are paying 5 times more for pentium II technology that is 20 years old....if they are already taking money, why don't they make an effort to introduce the technology of the 21st century....the difference in sound is 5 dekagrams,especially for those who use 90% of the sampled instruments

​@@swingboogie I have duty to respond to this example. That is why God sent His Only Son to the world so that we interpret The Bible as He thought us and not as we think. Then God gave men the common sense which means that if I say 'car', my friend will not think I said a 'pizza' but a car. But this is religion and not comparing two arranger keyboards. There is an element also when comparing keyboards that is the preference we like as not all people have the same and are the same.

Lepo se radi sa Korgom, može mnogo toga i na klavijaturi, takođe i stilovi se mogu raditi u DAW-u, formati koje koristi su stari pa se vrlo lako njima manipuliše, jedino je problem ta njihova audio reprodukcija, a evo u poslednje vreme i dosta bagova sa Pa5X, inače zaista savršen aranžer na papiru.

@@DynamixAudio Slazem se. Meni doslovce fali u korgu to sto on ne čita tako lijepo čisto semplove nego ih zatupi. Jako dobro poznajem sempliranje ali korg je po tome katastrofa a naravno i po cijeni. Da ne usporedjujem sa AKX10 jer po ovome što vidim on je u rangu sa PA1000 a razlika dupla u cijeni

Pa tako je, teško je porediti sa Pa4X ili Pa5X jer je Medeli AKX10 stvarno pristupačan i namenjen nekoj drugoj ciljnoj grupi, plastičan je i ljudi jako teško prihvataju da se može koristiti ozbiljno zbog toga i zbog njegove niske cene, ali može zaista i to bez ikakvih problema. Ovih dana razmišljam da se iseče gornji panel na starom Korg M1 i u njegovu kutiju sa onim izvrsnim FS6 dirkama da se prepakuje Medeli unutrašnjost i naravno display. To bi bio savršen aranžer, kako po dizajnu, tako i po ceni i funckionalnosti. :)

@@DynamixAudio Izgleda i ona ovako lijepo. Mozda samo da nemaju zvučnike i da nisu plastika al inače super

Plastičan je i pa 700 i pa 1000

This is not a comparison. You should watch the video until the end before commenting. Medeli AKX is a professional piece of equipment if used by professionals. No price difference can make Ketron less buggy, and less flawed, no matter how big the font PROFESSIONAL is on its price tag sticker. Ketron Event is EXTREMELY flawed, the difference you are describing is only in your head because you see only the price tags. In the end this video is not about Medeli, but about Ketron Event.

What do you think is better on the SX700?

I am buying the Event for the sounds, and styles. I have owned a Genos, and the Korg PAx5 , the Korg operating system in MHO is better than the Genos. It's expensive and plastic. It doesn't handle midi files as well as the Korg. They will improve it over time. I really don't care about buttons. I can learn them.

You mean audio trucks? Because pure sounds in event are like in 4x cheaper sd40 - test allone if not believe. For sounds i will buy pa5x.