True, they literally have people like Comics Explained and Comicstorian who are experts and creative people at their field cuz they love it, but they hire some random rich man to direct a special character as Superman. Reasons like that are the ones that brought us "Dragon Ball: Evolution" to cinemas. Like bruh.
In the Death Of Superman Lives documentary he comes out with some gems... Talking about being in 500 street fights and tasting other people's blood... He totally refutes most of what Kevin says...really comes across as a total muppet. Still...that documentary shows you how crazy weird that film would have been. Definitely i think a film that still would be talked about and re-evaluated over time.
@@2013venjix I know mate, I read a few interviews with him and he seems out of his nut. He DEFINITELY said the things Kevin said. I guess the lunatic has enough money he Can be as weird as he wants!
You know, after ten years working in the corporate world, the part at the beginning (where Smith gets called in repeatedly to deliver his rant about the script sucking) makes a whole lot more sense to me. So often, it happens that you get an ill-conceived project that should have been deep-sixed early on, but for whatever reason it wasn't, and now nobody is willing to stick his/her neck out and say, "Man, this thing is just unworkable. We have to kill it and start over." It's an "emperor has no clothes" situation. Nobody's willing to take the risk of stepping up to say "This has to end," because if you do that and no one backs you up, you won't accomplish anything and you'll nark off whatever bigwig is pushing the project. In that situation, when you get a guy with some credibility who's willing to say out loud that the emperor has no clothes, it's exactly what you need. You get him to say it for you, and then it's safe to agree with him.
Just coming back here after seeing Licorice Pizza and Bardely Cooper as Jon Peters shows up. Nearly lost my shit when he says to Gary in the film "You and me, we're from the streets." Never thought I'd see a reference to this story in a film, props to PTA for the deep cut reference!
Those were some truly idiotic demands from Peters. That’s like saying “I want you to write a Batman script, BUT.... he doesn’t wear the batsuit, he doesn’t drive the batmobile, and he doesn’t fight anyone, including the villain.”
If you pay attention to Batman '89 it is basically exactly along those lines. Batman just straight up murders his way through Batman '89, there's a scene where Batman brings Vicki Vale to his cave and then boinks her, it basically makes no sense that Joker kills Batman's parents... the only reason it really works is that Batman is closer to Jon Peters' ridiculous mental image of 'cool' than Superman is. In short, we're lucky that Joker didn't have a giant spider and a gay R2D2 sidekick...
I just bought Superman: Doomsday at the local Dollar Tree, and I laughed my ass off at the part where Kevin is one of the bystanders on the street, saying "Like we.needed him to take care of a giant spider. Lame." I love that they threw that in there.
I saw the clip being passed around on Twitter. During it, my reaction was close to Smith’s reaction to “The Wild Wild West.” At the start, all I could think about is how of a piece of shit that was. I saw the Nic Cage Superman and thought,”Well, it made sense for what they were going for.” Then, I stopped and backed up the video. As I rewatched that particular part, all I could say was “No way!” before laughing my ass off. Jon Peters finally got what he had been bugging WB about and it took 25 years.
Jon Peters was a street-wise kid from the rough and tumble neighborhood of Van Nuys, California. He hustled and flowed his way up through the hair business at his mama's salon located on the infamous Rodeo Drive. Hollywood, California represent!!
Thank god Kevin didn't die from his heart attack. It would've been so tragic. Really great that he changed his life around, losing weight and keeping his health a first priority.
I was giggling like a school girl when I saw the long hair and the giant spider. A thumbnail on RU-vid spoiled the Nicholas Cage appearance, but I didn't know the spider part so I was still pleasantly surprised.
Failing upwards would mean he is still getting boosted and held up by the industry. He's not lol. He had to go on tour just for his latest movie to get screenings
No it doesn’t. How was Clerks failing upwards? That was an indie hit and he worked pretty hard to get it made. That’s not a Hollywood failing upwards type of person. Maybe now he’s like that but not in the 90’s.
Spiders are "the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom"? I guess Jon Peters spent too much time in the streets and skipped middle school science. Otherwise he would have known that SPIDERS AREN'T INSECTS!!!
I walked out of watching the Flash today . . . . SPOILERS . . . A version of Superman - played by the one and only Nic Cage - wearing the suit and flying, is fighting GIANT SPIDER! And you know what, it looked pretty cool.
I just read an article about Neil Gaiman leaking a horrible Sandman movie script that was being produced by Jon Peters, the script included the giant mechanical spiders. Jon Peters really had a fixation with that and tried to shove it in whatever project he was involved.
I've watched Kevin tell this story whenever I've needed a laugh so many times over the years. So many times now that whenever I see a movie with a giant spider in it, I just automatically assume it was produced by Jon Peters. Lord of the Rings trilogy? Peters. Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal? Peters. That nightmare I had that one time? Peters. And then it got crazier...I saw The Main Event on TV and couldn't believe that Ryan O'Neal and Barbra Streisand were fighting a giant spider at the end. Then I looked at my DVD of Clue and one of the alternate endings had a giant spider as the real killer! Spiders and Peters, Peters and spiders. Spider-Man: No Way Home....multiple Peters. I need to see a psychiatrist.
If jon Peters wrote the passion of the christ: "Jesus after being tortured,beaten, mocked finally gives up his spirit.... bows his head..... and dies..............THEN THIS GIGANTIC SPIDER COMES OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE!!!"
I was crying laughing when I saw that. Ive listened to this for years and when the scene happened I literally shouted "a Thanagarian Snare Beast!!!!" Between Licorice Pizza and The Flash im glad we're finally seeing Hollywood poke fun at Jon Peters, especially because he probably doesn't get it 😂
He guys, you don't have to worry about Jon Peters anymore. Thanks to his hostility in Man of Steel, his failure to adapt the Sandman comics and the Weinstein Effect lawsuit, his career officially ended. Since 2009 he's only been credited for 3 roles
For years, I always just assumed Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian was just some dumb joke Kevin threw in there. Then I one day learned it was an actual thing Hollywood had actually been kicking around for a while.
No shame. I’ve watched this video over 20 times. It never gets old. I’ve never heard a more perfectly delivered story. You could make a full length film or limited series off the legend of Superman Lives. And yes I own Jon Schnepp’s Doc. He signed it for me at Comic Con 2015. RIP fellow nerd.
It's funny, of the 3 requirements Kevin got from Peter's, the giant spider was probably the least problematic to a Superman movie. Like Kevin said, the costume and flying DEFINE Superman!!
@@06pag That wasn't Superman, and you know that. Smallville was that shows take on SuperBoy. Superboy used to fly and wear the costume in the comics by the way. They just retconned and relaunched Superman so many times that Superboy ceased to be a thing (unless he was a clone of Lex and Superman, but let's not even get into that version of Superboy)! So again I'd argue, Superman's costume, and his super abilities, chief among those powers being able to fly are what people know and associate him with the most.
I recently read a biography about Peter Gruber and Jon Peters, and while it was written before this superman lives project, it does provide some fascinating insight into a couple of things Smith finds comical about Peters. Firstly, Smith mocks Peters claiming to be "from the streets" and suggest that Smith being a hairdresser had a sheltered life. Not true. Peters was a teenage hooligan who ran away from home and who got into hairdressing purely as a way to meet and manipulate women, and worked a variety of jobs as a bouncer, where he was known for being physically aggressive. Multiple people in the book say Peters was a scary physical presence and was known for knocking people out due to rage. So yeah, he really was from the streets. Secondly, Smith is confused and resentful that he had to read Peters the treatment. Peters, due to leaving home as a young teen, was notorious for being semi-illiterate, and this never stopped his other producing work (though he would frequently just steal credit from others using his aggression). A common thing Peters did was to get writers to read him material. This was both to deal with the fact that Peters himself struggled, but was also used as a power move. But mostly because he couldn't actually read properly.
