Kevin Spacey "Will NOT APOLOGIZE to ANYONE Who's Made Stuff Up!" Body Language Analyst Reacts. 

He may not be a nuanced thinker but he sounds like a fair and reasonable man. 😘

Wow it’s so cool that you guys found a way to communicate that bridges a very very difficult gap. I also think it’s awesome of you to make that compromise because nuanced thinkers often want to talk out loud about those benefit of the doubt situations. Ironically you’re being nuanced about nuances 😆 glad it’s working though!

@@j1947m God has definitely blessed me with a wonderful husband.

@@TheBehavioralArts lol good point.

I think directness and lack of nuance is more a str8 male, L female thing. Str8 females and gay men are more nuanced. In general. There's always outliers.

"Medium of hyperbole" sounds hilarious to me and I can't pinpoint why

Spidy is a class act. 🫡👌🏼

@@sophiemarcaurele Hes a classy act

Hysteria makes even the smallest advance a major issue - even mere compliments or - horror of horrors! - "staring"

Yep this is so true

Cancel the 80s! 😂

@@foljs5858 Hysteria? I don’t think you comprehend the appropriate use of that term. I’ve not seen any “hysteria”, from anyone “staring”. I’ve just seen a lot of people getting fed up with being treated and analyzed as if they were a piece of meat. I wouldn’t want my child to be stared at. And if you shouldn’t stare at a child, why is it ok to stare at someone just because they’re an adult? It’s rude and creepy and I don’t blame people for not putting up with bullshit any longer.

@@jdawgb7642 "I wouldn’t want my child to be stared at. And if you shouldn’t stare at a child, why is it ok to stare at someone just because they’re an adult? " I wouldn't want my child to drive either. And if a child shouldn't drive why is it ok for an adult to? "Think of the children" BS argument...

Haha thanks 😊 what a sweet comment

I love this suggestion!

I think him and Chase from TBP made a video like that... let me see if I can find a link for you

I was with a group of friends talking about actors showing up in dreams. We concluded that when acting, the actor is portraying a "false - hood" or lie. Would there be clues of deception we could identify in situations where someone is "putting on an act" for us?

Totally, like a “behavioral artist reacts” sort of series where someone collects good and back acting clips for Spidey to react to. Personally I like the idea a lot- from a business standpoint, he could create videos like that in between bigger research projects cuz they require little prep work. But Spidey also could see it as clogging up his channel with content he’s not as proud of. But even if not a series, maybe he’ll consider an episode here and there.

Totally agree. When the Russell brand thing was in the spotlight I wondered how many men I could accuse of the same thing. A. Loads.

I just went to a small show at a bar last month. I'm a 47 year old woman. Standing in a crowd, listening to the band, minding my own business...and someone put their hand around my waist. I turn around...there's just a wall of people staring at me. Who did it? Why did they do it? I will never know. Didn't we learn in kindergarten to keep our hands to ourselves?!?

@@jenn8179 totally get you! You are there to enjoy and this totally puts you on an edge...creeps possibly camouflage in such situations.. Hope you still had fun! Once in a crowd, a hand touched me in the most inappropriate way. I caught the hand and tried to follow it to the creepy owner. The thing is how many hands to catch and follow up??

Unfortunately as a woman, you do expect inappropriate touching. It has happened far too often in a females life It is what it is. Doesn't mean it's right. 😢

Yeah, one has to wonder the significance of that word choice 😳

@Kittyscraftcorner-ud6ij Agreed!

I see what you did there. "milking the situation" *badoum tsssss* 🥁 Thank you, I feature every Wednesdays 🫡😆 (I agree. I grew up in Montréal, where we have a huge village and have many long time gay friends... the stories I was told! 🌈🫶🏼)

@@sophiemarcaurele Seconded: badoum tsssss I Also think zhuziboo is right. I should test, but I bet if I ask many of my gay friends, the answer would be... All fine unless I've said to stop.

Good point!! Never thought of this!

Also, he was closeted for such a long time

Agree.

Easily duped

If you saw the Channel 4 Documentary I think you would find the men on there seem quite genuine too.

He's an award winning actor...

Yay! CONGRATULATIONS SPIDEY!

👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Popcorned planet did a bit.

!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤

I believe her. The guy on the other hand, not a bit. I woundn't even ask him for directions if I was lost.

​@@hellemarc4767Well nah she is more than a little sus

Yeah I am on Spacey's side. I actually was swayed to be biased because of the ID special, but after listening to what the accusers behaviors were and how they felt were a cognitive dissonance. Not genuine. Emotional blackmail is what I believe happened. They were chomping at the bit to do favors thinking hoping KS would help their careers and he didn't so they are bitter and angry. There was no transactional arrangements.

Yeah, I can't blame them. It's a career that lives or dies from the public's opinion about their performance, their personality, and their personal lives. Career actors don't relax, except when they're in private with those they're close too and trust implicitly. It's why I laugh when a celebrity's fans, acts like they know exactly what type of person their favoured celeb is, and aggressively defends said celeb from everything and everyone who contradicts that perception.

What? This is so untrue and bizarre. Actors aren’t lunatics who just lie lie lie, an actual trained actor in the CRAFT (because it is) enjoys chatavter work, diving into text, and performing. This man is not performing he is fighting for his voice to be heard - because it was wrongly robbed from him. Ridiculous for you to just say “oh they’re always acting”. You don’t know much about the craft of a thespian. Big diff between a big dumb movie star and a trained man of the theater like Spacey (or myself - I studied the same curriculum at the same school as him and I’m not some liar - I’m a trained actor who has respect for the art).

@@Geo_Babe hi Hitchcock, if you reread my post you’ll see that I did not insult him; I said it’s hard for these people to turn it off. I was a nanny for 6 years, invited to many social events and film sets because the children I took care of were invited. These people are dramatic even in their personal lives. That’s not a bad thing unless you don’t like dramatics. My point is, I could easily understand if he acted a certain way long enough that maybe he believed it. However, that doesn’t make it true. I know firsthand that these people don’t understand “regular” people. Maybe that doesn’t include you.

​@@Geo_Babemuch success to you. As you don't belong to reality.

Are there any of your videos that you definitively say one way or another

I agree. I think the movie and massage situation has truth to it, but he has also been accused of things which was not true.

I'm thinking you'd never do something so outrageous where some one of the many photographers could video the incident. Unless drugs were involved. So judgement goes out the window. This accusation doesn't add up. I think he might engage in that behaviour in private, but not where there is every chance it would be sold to TMZ in under 30 minutes.

Yeah, it seemed like he knew there was zero chance of this accusation going anywhere because of how outrageous it is, so he didn't feel the need to vehemently deny it. Just say "never happened". That could be because it genuinely never happened, or because he was so confident that he got away with it. Could be either.

Baby Reindeer: Was Fiona Harvey ever convicted?

Kind of agree thats why i said SOME KIND of truth not completely true

wtf he put out a public non-apology semi-in character after the event and that tanked him. He was arrogant after the accusations and that contributed a lot to the effect on his career. Your post is oddly screwed to view him in the best light poasible

lol, "more authentic than movie eye drops" 😂😂

100% with you on this

He is a master actor. I don't trust soliloquys from him. Because I believed all his past roles I've seen. He can appear believable whatever he says to me. His past works are all tainted now. Like "The Lost Boys" movie. Loved it at the time. Can't watch it again now when I know what was happening to the Coreys. KS' career is over as far as I'm concerned.

Unless a first accuser made his behaviors and patterns public, he might be continuing his smarmy behavior right to this very day. Look at Weinstein. Also, there are probably many men in positions of power or advantage that do crap like this every.day. Frankly, when "comeuppance" time arrives, I have no sympathy for any of them.

Well yeh he’s sad because he was caught and pissed off he can’t put it right.

I had the same feeling that he was very honest. All the emotions, the pauses, the timing of the emotions. He always seemed sincere, but ofc thoughtful as clearly he had to be careful of how to word things with so many enemies lurking. The problem is ofc that he is one of the best actors of our time. So he does fit the profile of the kind of person that could fool you. In the end though, if you take a step back and evaluate the accusations, it seems to me the people accusing are afaik all adults deciding to go along and then suddenly years later ... sue for money after their career didn't earn them money. It looks like they were trying opportunistically to fit the boss v young girl frame of Weinstein and metoo onto a situation of two adult actors. That doesn't really work, and it seems in the end a disgusting money grab. All that whilst utterly ruining a career and legacy.

Have to agree, yet we all know that when it comes to sexual-predators and how they view the suffering and emotional reactions of their prey, the word "honest" barely applies as they never see what they did the way their victims do, nor even how outsiders would either!!

@@GemmaKelly-tw1xm He was found not guilty in more than one court of law. Being a sleaze is not generally a criminal offence.

@@bev9708 The so-called "prey" were not children - they were men effectively willing to pr-st-tute themselves to get on in a sleazy industry.

I agree completely. I also believe that just because someone is accused of something doesn't mean they are guilty. I think Amber Heard proved that in spades.

I worked as an actors agent in London during the time he was Artistic Director at the Old Vic. What I heard about him, at least a year before accusations about him hit the press, meant I wouldn’t ever have let any of my young male actors be alone in a room with him. He had a terrible reputation and it was widely thought he’d come to the U.K. because the age of consent is lower than in the US. Spacey was the only person I heard such things about.

Even if somebody could still be guilty, even though they were found not guilty, when do we draw the line and allow somebody to have their livelihood back when it wasn’t proven that they did anything criminal? At that point we have to assume allegations were just not true or completely exaggerated and let somebody have their career and life back.

@@ajhornes it’s not just about letting people have their career back it’s also about letting people back into a position of authority and influence that enables them to continue to abuse people. How do you stop an unrepentant sexual predator from harming people?

Exactly also because most people on jury duty are regular people with mediocre often bad judge of character etc and not objective, especially not if they ‘re part of the manosphere

Well Dan Wootton is also gay and has also been accused of sexual assault. He also lost his job at GB News due to a disgusting interview with Laurence Fox.

Maybe Dan reach out to him and that's why he choose. I have seen all of the video and Kevin does mention something like he's been waiting for someone to ask him for his side

Did Spacey have better options, you think? If Hollywood has cancelled him as he said , maybe not many reporters are reaching out these days...

@@reeree5259 Wootton is starting a new channel after being fired during his own public accusations

I didn’t see it that way. I DID see the smile, and I think that’s what you might be reacting to? For me, I saw it as a rueful sort of a smile. The sort where he is almost involuntarily laughing about how, after all of this, how could anyone think he could possibly have anything left to hide? I’ve gotten myself into trouble in some situations in the past by having a similar reaction. I said something like “I know it sounds bad, but this is actually true …” and had the other person immediately assume I MUST be lying. I wasn’t. That moment had absolutely horrible consequences for me and my family. So it’s possible that I’m just biased in favor of believing Spacey as a result. I truly believe that with regard to this topic, Spacey has TRIED limiting what he said, being “discreet,” or telling only part of the truth, thinking that the other stuff didn’t matter. But it’s that slight embarrassment from “concealing” something unrelated that a suspicious person will pick up on, and go after like a dog after a buried bone. My sense is that Spacey is TIRED of all of this, and is almost helplessly laughing because he knows that as a public person (an actor), he has forfeited his right to privacy in the minds of many people, especially interviewers and reporters. “The public” can be ruthless about “stars.” It was partly that sort of scrutiny that drove Princess Diana to make choices that resulted in her death, trying to avoid paparazzi. I could imagine Spacey having a similar feeling of being pursued relentlessly, and it resulting in this helpless almost laugh.

@@DawnDavidsonI think you are spot on. It was a „I’m standing here naked let’s undress me some more anyways” smile to me. I saw couple of your comments and I’m impressed how detailed and clever your observations are.

And does he have to do to prove his innocence? Since when do we go by "feeling"? He was acquitted.

"A not-guilty verdict" Is NOT guilty ! If he is indeed guilty, then the Justice system is at fault. But God is the judge of all of us ! Thus, again, Spacey is NOT guilty of those accusations !

@@inessabanovic8491 No one ever has to prove themselves innocent. No American court ever determines innocence. It's 'guilty' or 'not guilty', depending on the evidence presented by the prosecutor.

I worked as an actors agent in London during the time he was Artistic Director at the Old Vic. What I heard about him, at least a year before accusations about him hit the press, meant I wouldn’t ever have let any of my young male actors be alone in a room with him. He had a terrible reputation and it was widely thought he’d come to the U.K. because the age of consent is lower than in the US. He was the only person I heard such things about.

I worked as an actors agent in London during the time he was Artistic Director at the Old Vic. What I heard about him, at least a year before accusations about him hit the press, meant I wouldn’t ever have let any of my young male actors be alone in a room with him. He had a terrible reputation and it was widely thought he’d come to the U.K. because the age of consent is lower than in the US. He was the only person I heard such things about.

Oh shit. He really sided with Amber?

@@154346 basically. His article with The Sun called him a wife you-know-what (idk if the other word would be yt approved). I don’t recall if he spoke with Johnny at all but he seemed to be on Amber’s side

@@jnbg61584 it's only the vids themselves that get censored. You can say anything you want in the comments. The Sun called Johnny Depp a wife beater. That said, these types of people are always on the same side. The side that they think will get them the most clout. IE: $$$

He proved, in court that Johnny Depp assaulted her on 12 occasions. Spacey proved in court that he did nothing wrong. How is it ironic? Wooten not only won his case but all the appeals and the court ordered Depp to pay his costs. Wooton's lawyer got Depp to admit, on the witness stand that he headbutted Heard. That was one of the 12 instances of assault. The US judge suppressed that evidence so the US jury never knew Depp admitted to one assault. That was independent of anything Heard said.

with his own issues of accusations

What is it?

@@jadehernandez2202 Think OJ Simpson. He was found not guilty… but he definitely wasn’t innocent.

Please enlighten us all as to the difference between ‘innocent’ and ‘not guilty?’

Yes, evidence has no weight when in any case judgment is made as soon as any gossip or accusations come out..

@@commuterbranchline8132 From a legal standpoint, at least in the US, there is no difference. In fact, one of the definitions of "innocent" is "not guilty of a specific crime or offense; legally blameless." However, the first definition is "uncorrupted by evil, malice, or wrongdoing; sinless." And this is the definition that tends to come to mind when people think of "innocent." Basically, that the person did not commit the crime. In the US, you are considered innocent unless it can be proven, in a court of law, that you are guilty. And to be found guilty, every element of a crime must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But just because the prosecution cannot prove that you committed the crime doesn't mean you didn't commit the crime. Key evidence can be suppressed because it wasn't gathered properly (such as a confession if the suspect wasn't read their Miranda rights before questioning them), or they just don't have enough evidence. I remember watching a true crime show many, many years back where a man had been accused of multiple murders. The state thought they had a pretty solid circumstantial case, but it fell flat and he was found not guilty. Years later, he moved. The new owners of the house were doing renovations and found a box inside the wall. In the box were pictures that showed his involvement in these deaths. Legally, he's innocent because he's already been tried for that and was found not guilty even though he actually did the deed.

I completely agree with everything you said. I also think he did some stuff that he shouldn’t have done but I believe he actually did reflect on them and if he apologizes about any of it it will be the result of actual reflection not just a statement. That said, if any of these instances were more than just a little inappropriate, it does make these accusations more serious than just “silly Kevin, there he goes again.”

@@TheBehavioralArts yes, definitely!!

​@@TheBehavioralArtswouldn't an apology be an admission of guilt?

@@TheBehavioralArts As I’ve sat with this and thought further, I think there’s a big piece of this that’s getting missed: Slut shaming. Usually, in our culture, women are the ones who are slut shamed. Women aren’t supposed to want sex, or ask for it, or be enthusiastic about accepting it. But gay men are also slut shamed, for similar reasons. They are less powerful than straight men, and historically have a lot to lose, similarly to women. So, Spacey is getting both sides of the MeToo tragedy here. He is both a white male in the entertainment industry, and therefore automatically under suspicion of wrongdoing in the era of MeToo. But he is ALSO gay, and that is still a second class citizen in our culture, and especially in the Entertainment industry. Spacey is accused of things that, were he straight, probably wouldn’t have raised eyebrows, especially not in the 90’s. Even “admitting” that he’s gay puts him under suspicion. Being gay and actively pursuing sex? Totally out of bounds. Our culture wants him to be safely tucked out of sight, engaging in only the most monogamous and straightest version of sex and romance possible for a gay man. Any indication that he wants gay sex, possibly with more than one person, is going to be met with severe disapproval. And where there are “two sides to a story” or where things went slightly wrong and the other person was disappointed or discomfited in some way? Well, that’s going to be painted in the worst possible light, simply because he’s gay. IMO Kevin Spacey is being used (at least in part) by other men to deflect from the very real and rampant misogyny highlighted by the MeToo movement. He is being accused like a man, and slut shamed like a woman. No wonder he’s angry , sad, and frustrated.

@@charisma-hornum-friesYes, that is part of the problem. If he issues a blanket apology, it would seem like he’s admitting fault for all of it, even the parts he clearly feels are inaccurate. If he tries to take ownership of the parts where he DID do something wrong, but doesn’t address the other things, then he will be seen as giving a “non-apology.” He can’t win, at least not in the court of public opinion.

Was thinking the same, why the heck did he give this interview to Wootton!

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I think you're thinking of Don Lemon

He started his own RU-vid thing, much like Piers Morgan.

He was a great actor. Part of his success rests with the people directing, editing, lighting, set dressing, etc. and the writing. But I believed he was whatever character he was playing. Since the allegations surfaced, combined with my own experience, I can't watch any of his work again. It's too emotionally damaging.

​@@redelfshotthefood8213Same. I just can't which is so disappointing because I loved so many of his films.

20-30 years ago it was almost impossible for people to get the police to investigate and prosecute anyone. It isn't that most didn't want to but they weren't taken seriously.

@@charisma-hornum-fries And they shouldn't be taken seriously now, since they cannot possibly have any evidence for what supposedly happened.

Agreed ​@@annamack5823

Ah, that is an important point. Thank you.

It's interesting your statement if you take the word "acting" more literally. Aren't we all acting almost all of the time? I'm sure I would be "acting" any and all times I would be on national television. IS the reporter then "not acting"? Just sitting there without changing a look or moving an eyebrow? No critique, just my sophistry reading your post.

Game recognizes game 😢

He explained both sides of every segment

Not me. Seems like he wasn’t trying to be rude and aggressive with an angle for inciting emotions for ratings like a lot of interviewers. Like stated in the replies, he provides both sides.

When we are used to interviewers who go after interviewees like an attack dog, then even neutrality can seem biased in favor of the interviewee. Also, if DW has “had his own scandals” as I’ve seen suggested here (he’s not someone I am familiar with, so I just don’t know), then he may be showing a degree of *empathy* for Spacey’s situation. Empathy doesn’t necessarily mean you AGREE with the person; just that you understand how they might feel the way that they do. Spacey likely had turned down many “offers” for an interview over the years, and may have felt that DW would be more nuanced in his interview (which Spidey points out is how Spacey seems to think.) Spacey probably felt he needed to get ahead of the Channel 4 story as much as possible, but wanted an interviewer he could WORK with.

@@heatherchandler1184 Excuse me, he straight out argues that the last accusation is impossible in a rambling speech, which is BS.

Excellent point.

I worked as an actors agent in London during the time he was Artistic Director at the Old Vic. What I heard about him, at least a year before accusations about him hit the press, meant I wouldn’t ever have let any of my young male actors be alone in a room with him. He had a terrible reputation and it was widely thought he’d come to the U.K. because the age of consent is lower than in the US. He was the only person I heard such things about - and there’s plenty of gay actors, directors and producers none of whom had Spacey’s reputation.

@@sookibeulah9331 oh wow that’s terrible! Okay then. That’s good that you protected your actors.

Great term

"The eyebrows are the brushes of the soul." Was once famously said by Greg Hartley, in a parallel universe.

Um, many people don't have " ugly" behaviour, nor get accused of ugly behaviour. Hollywood maybe exception. They don't abuse, sexual assault, or coerce others . Don't normalize any such behaviour.

@@coolwater55 how am I normalising it by calling it ugly, you’re calling it SA and abuse - he was cleared of those charges - so like I said he was a sleaze but not abusive, being sleazy is ugly behaviour but that’s not saying it’s right or that it’s okay, if you’re going to address what I’m saying, then address what I’m actually saying - my point is we’re all guilty of acting in a way we regret or not proud of, it’s not the same as saying it’s okay or normalising it

@@ilibana The topic is sex assault accusations. He was cleared, but also admitted to forceful behaviour and sex acts outside the norm, without details. You're the one who claimed we ALL commit ugly acts we regret, so the implications is that it involves deviant sex acts or coercion. I said many do not fall in that category. UGLY acts? Define ugly acts people regret, then we'll have a very long discussion on moral, immoral, or UGLY acts. Most Humans have regrets, but it's usually about missing chances with others, or taking a work path that we didn't like, or other issues.

He’s not done anything any different than any man I’ve ever met. Correct they’re all sleazy

@@ilibana We are NOT all guilty. That's my point. You stated ALL, but there's a good majority of people who are not sleazy or act ugly. Change it to SOME, OR MANY, NOT ALL. I know plenty who are not sleazy in their past, , nor would they think that way.

... on both sides of the story.

Agreed, 100%

Being someone with a photographic memory it's hard for me to relate to this because I'm always telling people exactly how things happen for 20 years ago word for word and describing the scenes. And then they will tell me that I have it all wrong. Then I will go and get the VHS tape and show them the memory and it's exactly how I say. I should also point out that I was a very strange child. Up until the age of nine I had this weird habit every night before I went to bed where I would start from the day I was born and relive my entire night until that particular night when I went to sleep. So I basically relived my entire life every single night before bed. Do you realize how much memory exercise that is for 10 years straight? I think I helped to give myself a photographic memory by doing that. And yes I can remember the day I was born! Even today at 43 I still go over my life from beginning to end quite frequently. And I go over past situations and future situations and hypothetical situations in my mind when I'm in the car or in the shower to prepare myself for survival

@@ModernDayRenaissanceMan That is a fascinating tale. Thank you. I have a master in psychology so I know a little of the subject. IIRC we have no idea at all of the cause of this difference. I struggle to even believe that a mind can do that. But it's been well documented by scientists for decades. I really wonder whether you trained yourself, or on the other hand the remembering of your life every night might as well be an early effect of something else. That is something we will still be debating in a 100 years I think. Further analysis: 1) sleep cycle: In a sense, one could frame it that you just have more of something we all have. I think all of us experience a kind of replay of the day, or recent impactful moments, just before we fall asleep. That seems to be a natural part of our brain's sleep mechanism. It's what gives a lot of sleep problems too. We don't know why people sleep. We understand very little of that. But we do know that sleep deprivation; specifically preventing REM sleep or dream sleep leads to: psychosis, hallucinations, etc. The brain seems to need this "reset" phase regularly or it will cease to function usefully. This phase seems different for you. 2) Attention: For your memory to retain all that, it has to write it all down first. For most people this is where the experience is encoded and reduced in detail. Yet you retain much more detail, so therefore you have to have paid much better attention. Probably the larger difference is in how you pay attention than in how you recall the recorded. In fact you must be paying so much attention, that I think because our brain does have limits, you must be paying less attention to other things that most people spend their cognitive power on. Questions: Do you tend to e.g. remember feelings less? Smells? Sounds? Do you perhaps have more issues socially, relating to people? Sorry for asking personal questions. I'm just trying to test my hypothesis that for you to be so good at one thing, it must therefore spend less time on something else, compared to most people.

@@ModernDayRenaissanceMan That must be very boring for you.

Seems like he had a lot to hide.. And looking back to all the stuff which came out about him in recent years..and all weird videos he made... 😅

"FIRST response would be..." I think that "would" should be a "could".

He seemed tired and over it at this point in the interview, to me

Because they have probably reviewed that footage over and over. Either he did, or he didn't. That many cameras should have caught something happening or nothing happening. Maybe he is disappointed they didn't vindicate him.

Also, he agreed to come into his trailer and give him a shoulder massage... any woman would be called very naive if she stated she was surprise to be hit on.

​@@austrianchicken WTH that is exactly the kind of sexual harassment Weinstein was accused of by women all the time. You are not supposed to trick subordinates into a sexual relationship, Chissake.

Agree!

I do get the feeling he's a creep, but 16-17 is not a "really young boy." In most states, 17 is the age of consent. There are much worse things going on in Hollywood and beyond, be assured.

@@TheDionysianFields really? If a 50 plus guy pawing a teenager is not too bad I honestly don’t know what to say, would it be ok if it was ur son? Plus the whole “worse things are happening” is no excuse. We all know that, but u call out wrong when u see it, wrong is wrong. If u get beaten up and nearly die is it ok because someone went through worse?

​@@GemmaKelly-tw1xm I guess bc it is at least consensual,it is Hollywood n the 17 yr old is gay. I guess alot of us are just getting tired of sooo much attention going to these stories. In light of the fact that we have a huge sex trafficking things going on with much younger children n non consensual n the millions of children that parents send to our public schools.who are sexually abused,/assaulted etc and very little is done to address this. This involves.far.more ordinary people n kids..some in 5th grade.

@@brandyk again if u genuinely think him pawing a teenager is fine then that says a lot. Just because some people are tired of these stories doesn’t mean we just ignore them, and again there are always horrors in the world. Doesn’t mean u only say it’s wrong if it hits ur “it’s evil enough” scale. All of the creeps should be dealt with, it’s not an either or situation. I didn’t put in the first post that most people thought the teenager he was with was a rent boy who was high as it was the opinion of the people at the party, but even if he was sober it’s messed up. If you’re over 30 and are looking for teenagers u need locking up.

@@GemmaKelly-tw1xm "If you’re over 30 and are looking for teenagers u need locking up." All I'm saying is that the LAW begs to differ with you. The law being that thing that's voted on by WE THE PEOPLE. It also being the thing that determines who gets LOCKED UP. In most cases there's something wrong with a child who's attracted to someone that much older and we should be sensitive to that. In most cases. We should also note that there are a lot of 40 year olds who aren't emotionally mature enough for sexual relations. When I was around 30 I dated several teenagers. They taught me a thing or two.

I absolutely agree.

K, remember the time and atmosphere. Due to the age of KS and he being a gay man, ppl used to go to theatres to do this stuff. It might not have been Private Ryan, but it COULD have been "Shaving Ryan's Privates" but that would have hurt the accuser's credibility.

Was it a Cheshire grin or was he moving his lips unconsciously to prepare himself to drink possibly hot coffee or tea? 🤔 Because to me, it looks like he may be preparing his lips to make contact with hot liquid. Idk. Some people see anything a person does as a "gotcha, bitch!" moment (not saying you do), but I don't, so that's just my initial thought. That's not to take away from your opinion or observations, which could absolutely be right. Just adding my own opinion is all.

@@Curious.Aquarius to me - and this is just my opinion - it is clearly the former. Kevin has used that look for years, and it was instantly recognizable. Watch the weird video he did as half himself, half Frank from HoC. Or any of that show. He does this mix of “pulling taffy” while purposely locking eye contact and making a sinister look with his eyes behind that exact grin. Again, it not for sure, and I’m not as good as Spidey at this. But it seems really clearly to me to be a purposeful look that he has used for years. But I respect your opinion too!

I think it was more a rueful expression. Often we grin in moments like that, it doesn’t mean we are feeling satisfied or happy.

It doesn't matter how long he's gotten away with criminal actions he's taken. If guilty needs to answer for it.

​@amybahner6511 did you accidentally miss the whole "memory isn't reliable and people embellish" part or was it intentional?

@@ambm_4 Not for the victims. They'll remember the rest of their lives. I do not condone time limits on SA and that's all I'm saying. Have a good day.

@@ambm_4 Another point is the victims wish they could forget!

It's just his word against theirs. It's very difficult to know where the embellishment ends and the truth begins. None of us were there to know what actually happened. It could be either way. He's a powerful man, he may have done some despicable things. But also.. He's a powerful man, people may embellish their interactions with him to get attention, money or clout.

Interesting thoughts. To clarify tho I don’t think he’s saying he’s never LOCKED a door he’s saying he’s never BLOCKED a door like physically stood in the way of someone getting out. That was what the person was saying he did and makes much more sense when you think about him saying “I even cried to stop someone from leaving but….” Not to say any of your reasoning is incorrect about what he likes just wanted to point out that distinction 😊

Agreed, doing "outrageous" things secretly in public is one of his patterns. It's a common kink, that I think we all can at least kinda understand in an adrenalin rush kinda way. It's just that most of us have shame and he doesn't. i

Hey! Great question. I wouldn’t add that specific head shake to a cluster because he’s making a negative statement but with the smile, the blink rate, the mouth blocking and object interaction you might have a little cluster there worth digging into. It’s very possible he’s holding in resentments towards the email and it being shared 😊

Thank you so much for answering my question. ​@@TheBehavioralArts

I’m starting to think none of these things are accidental. He pissed one of the elites in the background off, and then this comes out. Same with Chris Noth after 30 years. They put you in a situation to get you stuck once you compromise yourself to be a-list. That’s the only thing that could make this make sense.

I worked as an actors agent in London during the time Spacey was Artistic Director at the Old Vic. What I heard about him, at least a year before accusations about him hit the press, meant I wouldn’t ever have let any of my young male actors be alone in a room with him. He had a terrible reputation and it was widely thought he’d come to the U.K. because the age of consent is lower than in the US. Spacey was the only person I heard such things about.

Yes, that’s exactly what I was thinking. The movie theatre incident was both with someone he had just met AND in public. I think the combination is what Spacey finds so implausible. Has he ever done something in a movie theater? Maybe. He wouldn’t be the only person in history to do that, though. A lot of this sounds like people getting all outraged over behaviors that are yes, maybe a bit transgressive, but not actually all that unusual in the grand scheme of things. Teenagers neck and grope in movie theaters all the time. Adults sometimes still do it either because they don’t have a good space to make out, or because they actually like the thrill of doing something mildly scandalous, like running the risk of getting caught. It happens all the time. I think what I hear from Spacey is that he feels unjustly accused of doing things NON-CONSENSUALLY. The things where he said “yeah, that sounds like me or like something I might have done before even if I wouldn’t do them now” were CONSENSUAL. They were situations where he thought the other person was interested in him, and where he felt the attraction went both ways. He categorically denies blocking the person’s exit. He admits the possibility that he might have been … over-enthusiastic in expressing interest in someone. But I haven’t heard anything (in these clips and in this discussion) where someone said a clear and unambiguous NO and yet Spacey went ahead anyway, against their will and without their consent. Ultimately, someone made up lies about Spacey and ruined his life in the midst of MeToo. Spacey prevailed in that case. That seems to have given permission to a lot more people to come forward and speak about things that happened many years ago that made them varying degrees of uncomfortable. He has been used as the face of the “gay MeToo,” with all the inherent slut shaming that goes with it. But it also sounds like Spacey at least believes that the things that actually happened were at the very least consensual. And that if anything wasn’t consensual, he would genuinely reflect on his behavior and would sincerely apologize to that person if Spacey both believed that it happened (whether he remembered or not), and had understood that it wasn’t consensual. But what it seems like is being demanded, is that Spacey apologize for his EXISTENCE, and for anything he MIGHT have done to make someone feel uncomfortable, and to guarantee that it would never happen again. Which, if he genuinely doesn’t KNOW what happened (or what the other person THINKS happened), is extremely difficult to do. I can understand him balking at that. It would both feel and be disingenuous, which Spacey doesn’t want to do. I think Spacey got a raw deal, and that he’s human like everyone else. I think he’s trying to navigate all of this knowing that he will be given no leeway because “the public” is very black and white about their opinions, and even in this day and age, queer people are not accepted fully, and often shamed to a greater degree than a similar non-queer person would be. It isn’t fair, but it is, sadly, our reality.

⁠@@DawnDavidson that’s… a concerning notion of consent. consent is a yes. not just the lack of a ‘clear and unambiguous no’. ‘the unwilling victim didn’t protest strongly enough, so it was consensual’ is not the take here.

@@DawnDavidson 100% agree with your loooong text. I believe from what I've seen that this person would never engage in anything non-consensual ... because it would be revolting to him. I get the sense that he would not take enjoyment from that. This is quite a big divide in humans imo. There are those who don't abuse others from fear of the law. There are those who don't abuse others because they don't enjoy abuse. My impression is that Spacey falls into the second category.

My thoughts too!

@@ashert4918, I think the point is that he _believed_ the person was interested, not that he _assumed_ they would be.

Interesting question, there probably would still be a baseline to differentiate from and analyse?

@@Fire-Queen sure absolutely but there are hold ups to analysing an actor since they're people who can easily fake behaviors. When it comes to someone who IS their own sort of character, to me it's much more challenging. You never know where the person ends and the character begins

You don’t think he’d become more somber in addressing this situation? Using your RP analogy, I’d expect him to be in his un-made up form and quite serious vs in his theatrical drag character

Interesting, thanks for the insight.

Implying the man hadn't actually considered that fact..

I though exactly the same. He has offered no insights himself personally, ever. All his secrets have been revealed by others. He's inserting a false memory into the public. Very devious.

Literally came to the comments section looking for requests to cover the Pierce Morgan interview with Fiona! Need Spidey’s analysis on that one ASAP!

Yes!!! 💯. He’s removing any tool we would use to give something value

@@TheBehavioralArts I feel like I just got a gold star from my favourite teacher! 😅 Thank you Spidey! 😁🥰

@@NinStardust🥳🥳🥳⭐️👏🏼😊 I saw your catch and thought the same thing-great catch!

@@teresev1435 Thank you! 🙏🏻

I don’t think it’s fool proof bc someone in my family has very expressive eyebrows/fave and also lies a lot 😅

@@RumiRose12 :D. According to my formula then. Flexible brows + dishonesty => ???? I don't know, but surely NOT trust. Maybe extreme distrust? What is your feeling about that person in your family? Does he/she have a psychiatric diagnosis? (I have a psychology master so that is immediately where my mind goes).