Keyboard Vendor Rating System Reveal 

today I learned, thank you for this bit of knowledge!

The system was designed to rate vendors based on objective criteria, which s clearly outlined in the documents. The criteria for ratings is specified, and the details of how the vendors met them (or failed them) will be provided in the details. No human is infallible, but the system must be able to withstand human subjectivity. If you have concerns about where bias can manifest in the system, happy to take the feedback. =)

@@rmendisify I think some of the more soft requirements like the quality of updates or what ratio of unfulfilled orders is a success vs. a fail. I can easily see some of these decisions on the margins landing differently if it's Novelkeys or if it's a less popular vendor. Ultimately this system gets legitimacy from high profile vendors participating and I can see that turning into being more lenient. The oblotzky situation is a good example of how opinion is inserted into the mix in terms of changing rules to get the outcomes that the admins want to see. (I understand this is because it's currently being designed, but a similar situation might come upin the future and transparency will be important) Don't get me wrong this is a great improvement, but I think there's editorial power that needs to be acknowledged. To throw some more noise out there, I think an objective database of facts that is open to everyone should be the foundation, not the rating. Then an opinionated rating can be calculated from these facts independently and by multiple people/entities. There may ever be one widely used rating system, but it can be "forked" if trust in the admins is lost.

This entire community is so heavily based on favouritism/nepotism. Bias is basically certain. The mech keys enthusiast industry is completely rotten.

@@SkimoStories that's a more cynical view than I have!

​@@gharel396Absolutely, but it's also the most accurate one.

Any chance to get money back from paypal or bank?

@@ozziekhoo the bank won’t do a charge back on a transaction that happened 3 years ago

We track the last rating in the both the details and summary table. We could certainly look at tracking the full history in the details.

In Stock isn't much of a risk to consumers because the laws and transactions are easily reversed. A good amount of In Stock for vendors is still coming from Group Buy extras, GMK sets. The larger vendors who kick-arse and run their own In Stock would still get AA-AAA ratings from the Group Buy

That's what I mean, vendors that run more in stock stuff are taking the risk on themselves and that should be commended in some way. Maybe this isn't the exact sheet to do that, but I feel like all of these important mod teams should at least keep that in mind!@@bakeraus In stock isn't a perfect system either as they could take on debt, and could still fall out - but there's way less consumer risk.

@@HipyoTech Even a extra badge for In Stock vendors would be great but only on keycap and keyboards. They would be to hit a high ratio of In Stock to get that badge. Just ideas

Have to start somewhere. It's not a perfect system but it's a step in the right direction

One example would be Kineticlabs, I choose to work with them because they ONLY do in stock. Brands like that should have an "S" rating or something. Because I think fundamentally in stock is better than group buy for consumers. (I don't think anyone would disagree)@@bakeraus

This is a system designed to help you make a decision whether to join a GB from a vendor, based on their GB history. It doesn't really apply to in-stock sales, which are inherently lower risk because you can do chargebacks, although that is something we can consider in the future. Not sure what you mean by "accountability system for the reviewers"? There are no reviews of vendors, only ratings based on objective criteria as defined in the document. Appreciate the comment! =)

I think he meant that in good faith as I agree its not something that the average customer probably cares for especially if theyre not deep into the hobby but to defend rmendis, he does explain the nuance shortly after I ask my question right after the timestamp!

I meant that it's not necessarily needed for the casual consumer know the details of the GB limit calculations, but it's spelled out in great detail for those who are interested. It's certainly important to ensure that the rating criteria it objective, the data is as accurate as possible, and the contributing team is working in good faith. =)

Yes. He addressed this in the video.

It's covered in the doc but TL;DR: Yes pre-orders and also "Rolling Fullfillment" type sales are considered GBs for the sake of the rating system

I dont think its been a secret theyve been not delivering on their promises and most likely checked out of the hobby years ago :(

There was a lot of people complaining, reddit mods didn't want to make a public announcement because they were focusing on this system SMH. Now time is ticking on certain Noxary orders for chargebacks

@@mozaic I feel like I didn't see any of that tbh while he was starting up his gbs. Like why was no one reaching out to streamers telling them to be cautious about even remotely promoting him.

first!

How to handle in-stock items is something we are looking at. =)

Definitely would welcome something on this, but at least with something in stock, presumably you’ll have a much easier time doing a chargeback if your in stock item doesn’t ship to you in a reasonable time frame.

ikr, big fail