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Great case study. Like you said, so many technicians would be scratching their heads at that one. I just bought the Lite 2 in February 2024. It does not come with topology. It's a great tool, and I love it. The 1st thousand lite 2s had topology, and then top don updated the software and got rid of it. Idk why yours had it. Anyway, igreat video.
I'm not entirely sure about that. I've heard it was a software oopsie on top dons part when it was released. 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I hope they add it back on. I'll keep checking for updates and report back.
I log onto shop key to see what common fixes they report and it’s helpful. I like watching these videos for diagnostics as they are great for learning.
I remember some weeks ago of a video by Ivan of Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics where he was working on an almost new GM pickup with the two part tail gate. The right and left locks had been switched. Great investigation S.D.
Hey I want to add, if you want to find out if a door handle/antenna (typically across a lot of makes is one part intertwined) is you can wrap your scope leads around the door handle, and mV scale, and short timebase. You will see the transmission take place, likewise for the key! Some cars just simply don't have PIDs for the handles, so it's a really fast and easy way of seeing the key and handle talk back and forth. I hope you make a video with this someday, it's a really cool waveform. My dad likewise went to a body shop for a front bumper, and for whatever reason the door card must have been taken off because when he got home for weeks he bugged me about the easy entry not working. When I got to it, I found Toyota has the best tech info service out of anybody else and it's cheap, if you ever have to use it you will love it. Day pass for $30. Turns out the shop left the handle unplugged. Whatever the reason was to take the door apart, it was just a simple mistake, and if a parts changer threw a handle at it they actually would have been half right or at least seen the issue when the card was off. However seeing no transmission take place at the handle with my scope running was enough confirmation to open the thing up and see what was going on inside.
Great video Paul, this reminds me of a VW Tiguan where another shop installed a drivers door module on the passenger door and it was causing a host of issues, they look the same and the plugs are the same but different part numbers. It was funny because if one of the doors was open the car was freaking out because on the Canbus the drivers door was open and closed at the same time so you couldn’t turn on the ignition and the interior lights and dash was going crazy
@@ScannerDanner thanks it was a tricky diagnosis, at first I was thinking like a bad ground or something was causing the lights to flicker and on the dash the door ajar symbol was also flashing the door open and closed rapidly, but I checked the power, ground and Canbus on both door modules using my ATS scope and it was all good. So they provided the original module thankfully so I plugged it back in to see if I can revert the car back to its original complaint which was the power functions in the passenger door was not working. After putting the old module back I noticed that the car wasn’t freaking out anymore when the door was open so I looked carefully at the part numbers on the modules and for Volkswagens if the part number ends in an odd number it’s for the left side of the vehicle and if it ends in an even number it’s for the right side. Sure enough the original module ended in a 392 and the new module was a 393, they installed a drivers door module in the passenger door
Great case!! I Had a similar case on a Volvo v60, but it had the same handles in front and rear. Back door antenna was wired and front wasn’t used. When the antenna failed in the back you can swap handles and it worked again. Btw I think the signals you showed us from lock and unlock are current switching ( like a modern wheel speed sensor). 👍
That's a good catch with the door handles.. I probably would have looked at the handles to see if there was corrosion on the pins and not even noticed that the pin count was wrong. lol.. Very nice catch; it would have been easy to overlook
Amazing Video AS ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!! Love IT, you guys have literally helped me in a way I can't put into words. it has changed my whole perception of how I approach a problem. just great
I just had fun recently with a late model Subaru, they added a backup power supply to the keyless entry system, a one-shot capacitance discharge type 12-volt power supply for emergency door unlock in case of a crash or system power loss. It recharges in 90 seconds KOEO or KOER. Model dependent, up to 3 fuses for the system, reference the power distribution wiring diagrams, the backup power supply unit may not be shown in some of the keyless entry system wiring diagrams. Scan data using the SSM4 is sketchy as to PID identification with lock, switch, and status identification. Service information description of operation is sketchy as well.
Thanks some great information! Sounds like you spent some time gathering just that data alone! It's always super difficult when the service info is wrong or not there
@@ScannerDanner An hour in, manager tells me, "Oh, by the way, it's a salvage car"😂 Long story as short as possible, I had checked all the fuses, read thru the SI, diagrams, ect, started checking powers and grounds, erratic operation, went back to the main fuse box, someone had moved fuses, fuse location was the key. 😛 Total time, about 2 hrs, a valuable learning experience, and relatively inexpensive. 🤪
Great video Paul and Caleb.awesome diagnostic work as usual.I am on your premium channel and have learned so much from you and the information you have in your book is second to none...the best there is !!!
Thanks for the awesome ride on this diag! I will definitely keep this in the back of my mind for future possibilities of this system failures. P.S. Can't say enough about how extremely similar the key shape and size is along with the door handles themselves being pretty much exact looking components as BMW parts, everything down to the stripes on the handle to the connector you were messing with, even the rr of the handle procedure! Thanks as always!
Great job Paul. I've found that I can pick up signals easily simply by wrapping a wire around the door handle several times and then connecting it to the oscilloscope. Quick and easy. 👍👍
@ScannerDanner I've been watching your content for a long time brother.. bought your book as well.. keep up the great work.. I love seeing new uploads from your channel.. extremely valuable content.. 👍
You got to take care of those Front Bumpers...! Some Vehicle Manufactures like (General Motors) House their ECUs under there, right at the side.. were you hit the Dear...! 🤔🤔😇😇
I feel like this was the perfect video for (scenario incoming)🤣 You’re kneeled down with your back to the camera. You quarter turn to reach for your inspection mirror and you notice, with a surprised look, the camera. Then you give us the, “oh hey, didn’t see you there. Hi I’m Paul Danner……🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Iv mentioned this before. Caleb!!!!!! We need this to happen 😀
Great stuff PAUL.will be back on premium this weekend. Btw pico TA330 PROXIMITY TOOL TO YOUR SCOPE. give it a look. Can pick up signal from outside the door. Bnc to scope also AUTEL KM100 can also pick up signal from cars antenna. Also can prove out the key signal that receives and transmit best to you
Shortly after 20:35 you started talking about the rear door handles, how there's only 2 wires going to them. They're gonna be a power and a ground, there's no signal wire there, so something's wrong with the diagram. My mind immediately went to chrysler 2 wire wheel speed sensors, how they put a signal on the power wire. That's exactly what you found for when you push the lock/unlock buttons on the door handle - the power wire gets a square wave on top of the voltage. Kind of nuts, but we need to change our thinking that we have 2 wire sensors doing tradition 3 wire work now! I saw somewhere that you can wrap wires around the door handle and put them to your scope and that'll show the antenna is actually outputting an rf signal to the key fob. So if you truly had a handle that was bad, you could scope the antenna wire input to the handle, and see whether or not you had an actual wireless signal output. And in your case, you have a side the works perfect to get your known good waveforms from! Having more and more signals on top of power supplies, the voltmeter's going to spend more time on the shelf... you truly need a scope for so much these days!
I love that you went through so many scan tools to see what was available on each for those specific PID's. If there's ever time or place for it and you're feeling like it, would you maybe want to root through an IDS scan tool to see what is or isn't there as well? I was also wondering, did you by chance look for bidirectional controls to actuate the locks from the scan tool? I haven't wrenched in a couple years, but I'd hope that actuator tests still have status PID's. As I recall it, Ford sometimes accidentally gave you all the info you needed to know to diagnose something; you just needed to know which rabbit hole to fall into. Thanks for the video. They're always good.
Hello Paul Danner, this video is an excellent video of the Topdon Elite scanner and learning that the door handles were switched at the body shop. Will you be perhaps making a Topdon video with the scope in use? I really like this scanner, but I need a good scope to be able to diagnose cars that I can afford. I know the scope is around 900 dollars.
Paul when are YOU going to have a video on premium ? I love yours and I know these guys are good but man I want to see yours. I thought that was one of the many benefits to having premium? We miss you man. Great video today !
Looks like the body shop needs to be sure things work when done with body repair. This could have been costly for regular guy. Maybe you should tell body shop what you found.I don’t think everyone should know everything that’s why I watch your videos. Good job as always and I agree this could be very difficult without the info you provided. Thanks again for content.
We talked the next day and they wanted to make it right. I told them no because I wanted a video out of it. 😀 So it was a win, win to be honest. But I agree ALL functions should have been tested after completion of the work. But it's easy to forget things. I do it too
I’ll have to remember next time I have to look at an expedition to see if those pids are available on the IDS or FDRS never been a big ford guy but I just bought a 17 escape for my girl that was traded in it’s in really good shape and now we have a second vehicle
Thats good one Paul, working with bunch of bodyshops around the area and finding such easter eggs pretty often. At least easy part of it knowing that they were messing around 😀
I hit a deer in the same area in a Toyota rav4. After body shop, I had the same issues but I was hesitant to give the car back to the shop over other stuff i didn't like about the repair. I took it to the dealership for an oil change and service that came with the car and had them look at it. Cost me 170 bucks for them to tell me the body shop forgot to plug the antenna back in - so the dealership did it.
@@ScannerDanneri can imagine! Was working recently on the civic 2020, with ABS light, checked car initially it was circuit code FR sensor, had sensor in the trunk, started diag and after removing wheel arch cover found it completely unplugged 😂😂😂 so was real easy one at the of the day. I’m very thankful to you my friend, as most of that i learned from you! What you’re doing is great, keep sharing your knowledge and not being part changer mindset!
Great video. Where do you the probes from ? It takes us hours to diagnose these type of issues and a car thief is in and takes your car in less than a min. Diagnose dan has a good video on the antenna signals. Where he wraps the scope leads sound the door handles and get a signal that way.
The phoenix lite 2 does not have topology. Topdon seems to have released a limited run that did, but sadly in the current software that capability has been removed. Whether or not they are profiting from the confusion regarding that capability is up to others to decide... I know for one that i would certainly pull the trigger on this scanner should they restore topology.
I've heard it is $100 add on? Maybe they loaded mine with it because they knew it would get shown? Maybe it's included now? Hopefully they jump in an tell us! @Topdon
Topology wasn't on mine for the first 7 months of use. Then topology & Smart scan was on it for the last 4 months. It was great life was good. As of today my tool no longer has it. I feel like I got duped because like in your videos prior to my purchase I watched reviews. Every review showed it to have topology. I reached out to TD. They said it's not supposed to have it..later on it magically appeared, of course now it gone. Still a good tool, just mixed messaging i suppose
pretty cool that the scope is transferable between the scan tools. I am curious how you got on to a MV scale around time stamp 35:00ish, and then up to a 2v scale. was that just level slide on the right of the graph!? cheers,
Great video thanks for sharing, can you make us a video for the immobilizer system, how to test this system the antennas and start and stop button with oscilloscope
Unfortunately regular shipments of phoenix lite 2 do not include topography. Still a great little scanner but disappointed when I found out they are sending out units to RU-vidrs with topology but not to regular folks. This lack of topology was confirmed a few months prior to this video, where rhey said feature was "accidently" added to first thousand units so seems that they have reserved these units for people who reviews. Kind of fake advertising, but im still keeping the unit. Thanks for your awesome videos!
I guess for marketing purposes, to show that the tool can do it is the thought process? I heard it was a $100 add on but im not sure. So instead of $800 the tool would be $900 with the topology. In my opinion, still well worth the price.
@@ScannerDanner still a great tool, don't get me wrong but yeah if that's an important feature, gotta move up. Thanks for all you do. You've changed me from a parts changer to somebody who is still a parts changer but do a lot less often! Still trying to get my mind around some of the concepts.
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Nice work again Mr Danner. Oilers win Stanley Cup 2024?? Ivan at Pine Hollow Diagnostics often uses a data PID name search on his scan tool(s). I know he uses TopDon among others. Maybe thats an option? Stay gold.
on hondas has a proximity test in keyless, you can activate each sensor and use the key fab to check the sensor the key fab light will flash when get close to the sensors
Phoenix Lite 2 does NOT come with topology. This has been a known issue. The first 1000 or so units did, hence alot of influences showed it off. My unit I bought does not and many, many people have confirmed this. Clearly the unit you have is one of the earlier ones or cherry picked. Still love it though.
@@ScannerDannerI never lock my doors. ;) I make it a rule to never keep anything in my vehicle that is worth stealing. Though some A-hole did steal the cat off my truck last year while I was parked at the boat ramp. Luckily I have a shop and can deal with it. The poor bastard driving the Toyota lost 2 cats and cost him $750 to get his fixed.
I just bought a 96 Dakota because I'm old and tired of fighting system issues. Bare minimum on the 95. Also got me a 78 F100 never an emissions testing again ❤
Great video, good lesson. If it would’ve been me. . .straight back to the body shop for them to figure out and fix their mistake. Of course, I don’t have a YT channel fixing cars :-)
Hey Paul, love your info but I had a question while watching. Right at the beginning you had a door transmitter receiver code but a large portion of this video seemed to sort of pigeon hole into the door lock status. Maybe it’s just something that doesn’t convey well over video or was for training but I couldn’t seem to understand why we didn’t pretty immediately follow that code and arrive at this same conclusion: and most likely faster?
It was in reference to Matt Fanslows video that we talked about, where there was a latch switch issue. I was focused on finding my latch switch data. Turned out in the end this model doesn't have them! I wasn't clear enough on this. Thanks!
I'm only 4 minutes in but I diagnosed a similar problem on a 2021 Blazer that had the two doors apart and the body shop had mixed up the two door handles. The left front door handle was in the left rear door and vice versa. Connectors plugged in but there was a difference in the number of wires on the driver's door handle vs rear door handle. Edit: Now 25 mins in and see your fix....Same thing! They swapped the door handles. Obviously a typical body shop error.
NOOOOOOO!!!!!! You should show up the process of learning new system operations. I find myself doing that all the time thrue alldata, ex. It would be awesome to see how somebody else does it.
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Topdon ph lite2 would you reccomend it for a dpf specilaist guy Need data for dpf filter Dpf sensor( also reset functions and calibration functions ) Nox sensor Adblue Fuel vapouriser And standard stuff like Egr Glowplugs Injectors Air con
Making myself a little note to grab an IDS sub next time I see a 2019 Expedition, and I'll grab a PID list for the BCM. It may be a while; these tend to be few and far between in the shops I service. Unplugged door handle antennas are common in a body shop environment; I typically don't even bill diag for them unless they want me to pull the door panel and plug it back in. I've only ever seen the swapped door handle thing once, and it took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out. I was being stubborn and did not pull a wiring diagram like I should have, and it whooped my butt! It wasn't until I actually pulled the door handles and harnesses out to be able to backprobe them that I saw the connectors... LOL Alas, I am a hypocrite. I will preech all day about the importance of the diagnostic process, but because I see a lot of the same issues day after day, I will jump straight to common failure modes and test out from there. Most of the time it's okay, but holy crap it slows me down when I'm wrong!
@@ScannerDanner I doubt there are any data PIDs for the rear handles, as it seems they're just an extension of the front handles, and entirely reliant on them. That 1-meter proximity mentioned in System Operation gives enough margin for the front handle to talk to the FOB. :)
If you just look up a video about how to use that scope and take 20 minutes to watch a few of them.. It's shocking how quickly you can learn how to use these things. It's just a matter of someone showing you everything real quick. But I get it.. I'm sure you guys were ready to be done by then
If I can't find the pids I want.. I just go ahead and read through ALL the pids in live data. I know 260 pids is a lot, but it's really only 10 minutes of reading.. You can scan over it pretty quickly. Every time I do this, I find what I needed and I usually find a few other things I've never seen and learn more about the cars.. So it's actually a good practice; because once you see everything and move on to another module or whatever else.. You'll notice something and it will trigger you "Oh yeah, I just seen that other pid that applies here' -- etc.. If you just get every pid in front of your eye balls once-- something will jump out at you; maybe it's just worded a different way, etc..
No thank you. My son is my editor and our goals are different than most YT creators. Above all, I am a teacher and I'm teaching to technicians, not the general public, so we are not looking to entertain and get views as our primary goals. If I wanted to do that, I would have cut 17 minutes from this video.
I've been working on my website and continuing to create awesome content on both SDP and for YT. You just won't see the same frequency of the long form videos here, BUT I did give you this one!
I have recently bought a 04 Toyota Sequoia with no keys now I was told that I had to buy a new immobilizer and pcm and that was going to run me 3000 which I don’t have is there any way around this immobilizer
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