@@Boebuscuse oh yeah its easy to have zero flows when u only have 29 fights/wins in the hardest devision in the ufc yeah?? If its that easy then lets see u try it tough guy.
Names beat, and you fangirl know. It. Jones is a bum imo but hes beat better people. If jones runs thru heavy weight and no more ped fails. Hes the goat
I agree Jon Jones is by far the greatest example in MMA. Won every fight clean while everyone was in steroids. Takes good care of his wife and children. And even prevented a premature baby from being born by crashing into the lady’s car.. Should win the Nobel Prize in my opinion
Jones doesn't train and still beats his opponents, Khabib tells his opponents for months exactly what he's gonna do and still makes it look like they never knew what was coming.
Same Weight doesn’t matter much bro...if he would've fought all the fights with the same height of opponents as him, he would've lost more than one Rayes fight was very disputed.. But khabib didn’t lost more than maybe 1 or 2 round in his entire 29...but jones lost many of them in his 26..
@@rezwanislam8061 that is a weird point to argue but I'm not comparing Khabib to be the inferior fighter to Jones here. Khabib easily the goat of his division
@James Franko every pro fighter does weight cuts and you cant compare khabibs dominance with jones'. Khabib beat up the best of the division like they owed him money lol
@James Franko He walks around the same weight as Tony does....? And when he cuts water weight it is usually 15 pounds...You guys really love making excuses constantly..Its quite pathetic.
@James Franko Khabib walks at 190-195 max if he is not training...Tony walks between 185-200.....Explain that buddy...Would love to hear your response 😂
@James Franko He hasn’t missed weight since he has gotten a nutritionist......Tony is still walking at 190 mate.....Stop lying ffs its quite pathetic. Khabib said it himself and Javier Mendez stated that Khabib walks at 85-87kg....
@@healthywealthy4620 I think dom saying that was insinuating Conor couldn’t do anything, he just worded it that way, he’s trying to tire him out cause he doesn’t think he has any other options
Cruz’s point was just that if Conor is in a position where he is reletively safe (by repetively safe I mean covering up) and he has no where to go, then he might as well just try and tire Khabib out.
@@ahorse7884 that doesn't mean he's trying to gas Khabib out, that means he's defending himself. Gasing out is something you do on purpose and I hardly believe that conor put himself into that situation so that Khabib gets tired. That's ridiculous
How people forget Anderson Silva's reign is really beyond me. The highlight reel ko's over and over vs very good competition AND he wasn't afraid to fight at LHW. Making very good fighters look novice. Not to mention the short notice fight after his prime vs a prime DC who wanted absolutely nothing to do with Silva's standup. Also his recent success in a totally different discipline (boxing) vs a former legitimate prize fighter. Still holds the record for most consecutive title defenses and the manner in which he did it.
Yeah but Anderson Silva lost his shine as soon as he got knocked out by Weidman then lost again to him then went on to lose to Adesanya, DC, Cannonier, Bisping, Hall & even got popped for steroids after the Diaz fight. Finished his mma career with 11 losses. Khabib is perfect at 29-0, NEVER failed a drug test, NEVER lost a fight!
Not sure about you but the majority of the mma community is disappointed with him after he popped for steroids. Also it of course makes you think that since most of his dominance was pre-USADA, it's easy to say that he was most probably roided during those times as well. It's also why people forget about GSP as well (the running away from big rig didn't do him any favors either).
He has openly admitted that a big part of him not training for fights was to be able to tell himself if he were to lose that it was because he didn’t train
Mike tyson knows about that. All the major fights he lost he didnt train for or was under a bad influence whether it be the influence of a other person or a drug. If he ever lost his way... he never would have lost until much later in his career.
the only fighter in MMA history to win all his fights without a single scratch on his face from the start to retirement no blood , no injury ,nothing !!! the only one to do it , the true GOAT KHabib the eagle
Not really lol. Poirier and Eddie Alvarez starched gaethje and it’s a known fact Justin only a white belt in jiu jitsu. Lmfaooo he’s a c+ fighter at best. Conor would have rearranged his facial structure. People gas Justin cuz he beat up Tony who has zero boxing skills pretty much and uses a wing Chung dummy to train. Tony just stood there with no head movement and a granite chin. Justin is alright. He loses to poirier , mcgregor, Khabib , every time .
@@ctc1996 I’m sorry friend if you’re gonna sit there and claim that both Dustin porier (whom I like btw) and Eddie Alvarez are better than Tony Ferguson then ur gonna need some pretty impressive points to back that argument up lol. Ferguson is a one of a kind fighter and most ppl know that. Ppl were psyching up Gaethje because he slaughtered Ferguson, and no one has done that before, so yeah, that’s is something to be impressed about. And even before that all of his fights were always competitive and thrilling to watch honestly. He did lose. But he lost in good fights and learned from them. And finally the icing on top was Gaethjes world class wrestling. Khabib is a wrestler, he had never fought anyone in the UFC who was also a decorated wrestler. That is why the hype for Gaethje was real. And his ass beating from khabib says nothing about Gaethje and everything about khabib. Gaethje didn’t lose because he isn’t good. He lost because khabib is practically indestructible. Gaethje gave him some staggeringly hard hits and khabib brushed them off like it was nothing. And then he outclassed a world class wrestler in seconds. The dude is next fucking level. I don’t I know of anyone who could beat him. But I would’ve loved to see Ferguson get that chance too.
@@jessiejoy1703 “people were hyping Justin bc he slaughtered gaethje which never been done before” um yes it had been done before. Michael Johnson beat Tony already. Listen dude I love Tony but boxing and straight up hand to hand is not his best attributes and that’s no secret. He got dropped by lando venatta and Anthony pettis.
I'm an extreme MMA Casual, but I swear this is the first sport I've seen where a guy got caught cheating but a large contingent of the fanbase still puts him in the GOAT category. Crazy stuff
I believe that if Khabib had not retired, he would have continued to dominate his division and defeat any fighter who challenged him for many years to come, as he had already proven his abilities in his impressive undefeated record. This was also evident in the recent performance of Islam Makhachev, who showed his strength by defeating Oliveira, a highly hyped fighter at the time.
Yeah lol people complain he didn't beat enough top guys... Who was left? Charles? After what Islam did I believe Khabib does similar... Tony... Well after gaetjhe Tony doesn't look so good so khabib wins... And then? Chandler? Doubt Khabib woukd have had an issue... So why do we doubt he's one of the greatest
Not exactly. While khabib may have had more in him when he retired but not enough to gap jones. Jones has shown a very diverse style and he doesn’t just fight the best strikers. He fights the best. Jon is on a whole different level. In conclusion Jon bones is the best. Khabib could have gotten close if he didn’t retire.
Nah buddy shoulda coulda woulda. I believe Khabib was getting knocked tf out in his next fight by guys who actually present the threat of grappling also. HE DIDNT FIGHT OLIVEIRA CHANDLER OR DARIUSH. You don’t just give him those wins. Ducked Tony his whole career
@@bengough6772it really doesnt matter though, he retired early so it is all just speculation. It means as much as me saying “Khabib would have been the greatest gladiator alive if he was Roman”. Meanwhile we can prove Jons, GSP, and Andersons dominance. He just didnt prove himself, especially with those dozens of wins he got in those weird two round russian mma matches against cab drivers and streetsweepers. I like Khabib but he is always going to be the biggest “what if”. And dont sleep on Chandler and Oliveira, those dudes probably have the most threatening atylistic matchups for a wrestler like khabib. Chandler never fails to keep the fight standing with his insane explosive wrestling and striking, and oliveira has proven he can submit just about anyone from anywhere. Khabib is definetely a different beast but I believe they had a better chance than most people let on.
Recency bias is a very good point, I really like what GSP said about the GOATs, when Silva was going through the MW division he was the GOAT, when Jones beat DC in the rematch he was the GOAT, and now that Khabib has retired on top he's the GOAT.
@@anomalocaris7869 you can... just gotta look at the division talent and how the fighter dominated is division or multiple. Khabib as DOMINATED is division but never went up or down. But he probably lost 1 or 2 rounds in is whole career. Jon Jones is probably most accomplished but is character issues keeps him away from the goat debate IMO. Silva in is prime was unstoppable... but kept fighting past is prime and lost a lot since. GSP is the OG goat, the only flaw in is career was that hendricks fight but Hendricks was juiced the fuck up. Hendricks never was the same since USADA. GsP than cameback after a few years and won the championship in a division above... If Jones goes a division above and wins, he will be greatest no doubt
Khabib is not only undefeated but never bled! Almost everyone I know has bled and no one in mma is not only undefeated but has also never bled, no one as far as I know, except Khabib. I have gotten more hurt by myself, tripping or being clumsy, than khabib has in his career.
Never bleeding has nothing to do with whose the greatest of all time. You can tell who all the new age MMA fans are. Most have never watched a fight pre 2015. Khabib is in the conversation, but I'll take GSP's and Jon Jones resumes. Also, both Jones and GSP have moved weight classes and didn't suffer any drop in performance. Jones was banging coke lines and partying 6 nights a week, while still beating greats.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 idk how snorting coke makes you the greatest of all time? Like cocaine doesn’t worsen your performance much, what a stupid ass argument
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 I get what you're saying. I think recents are judging decision Jon Jones. They don't recall Jons days of nobody having a chance. If Jon had taken things as serious as a Khabib does who even knows what he would've done.
@@jollyface5986 Less that is lessens performance but rather he was partying when somebody else would be training. He was/is that good that he can do shit like that and still never truly lose in his career. It makes you wonder what his performances would have been/be if he had a Khabib work ethic.
One day we’ll tell a story of a wrestling guy from a mountain who beat the world best fighters, stay unbeaten and returned to his village to serve his mother. A story that looks like it was ripped straight out of the pages of a fairytale book, and had it not been for the videos proving it, people would have not believed it.
@@NickyTmathew except that'll make it that much better, coming back to finish his father's dream of 30-0, retire and start his own gyms and be in corner of his friends he trained with, Umar, Islam etc
Thats what i love about khabib like with mcgregor, he didnt run his mouth. He just went in and proved himself. Beautiful. Sportmanship outclasses any other mentality because you arent going in to just win, you are going in to be strategically intelligent with each move, being all around. You cant come in with one mind mentality and expect to be the best, you have to structure yourself to be all around, heart, soul, physicality and body.
@@davideatherly4231 that was super necessary......before that fight....dana and conor planned the bus attack for promotion....watch khabib's interview...he said it was a inside job.... that's why what khabib did after fight was super necessary
@@cartoonsinhindi1023 lol inside job? What a dork. The reason Conor did that was because khabib and his boys jumped one of Conor’s friends and he jumped on a plane with 20 goons the moment he found out. Then the bus attack happened.
Jones is out of the conversation now, he had his chance to be the GOAT, and decided to cheat. GSP is IMO the GOAT of the UFC w/ Khabib being on his tail.
JON JONES IS THE GOAT he didn’t even train for some fights and still managed to ko the best in the world out. DONT JUST PUT THE MANS CONS UP THERE U CAN TAKE A GUY WITH A UNDEFEATED RECORD OFF THE GOAT CONVERSATION
@@ajosh4430 if you were proven to be on steroids or drugs during a fight or leading up to a fight, your record is invalid. Who’s to say most of his fights weren’t dosed? Look at TJ Dillashaw, the only reason he had such good endurance in most fights was because of a drug.
@@PowerShellNoob Irrelevant to his resume. I hate jon and think peds steal his goat, but anderson popped too he is a goat. Khabib is 13-0 and 3 defenses. Not goat numbers
@@kylleepstein6954what’s worse getting caught for drugs or cleaning out a division and retiring who’s to say JJ wasn’t on drugs during his best performances which invalidates or doubts his whole career but for khabib to never get cut bruised or bleed in 13 ufc fights is craZy and never lose a round that’s goat like behaviour
You also forgot to say that khabib was THAT dominant against gaethje with a broken foot and his coach said he didn't train for like 3 weeks during camp because he was so sick
@@Viwer_____ a lot of fighters get caught more than once. GSP and Khabib have been found to be clean all throughout. coincidently those 2 is the argument. With Jones an easy negatition is PEDs.
Jon jones , youngest ever champ , 5 former champs , 1 former double champ, 6 Hall of famers , most title defences , fought 2 fights in one month and one of those fights was for his first title shot . Jones has more title fights then khabib has in the ufc . Khabib has 5 fights in the top 10 , RDA that lost to cowboy in a grappling match , Michael Johnson a known loser same with barboza , Al iaquinta a last minute replacement , a conor out for 2 years and drunk on whiskey . His only legit fights were dustin and justin . His not the goat. Gsp dominated the ww division and after years off the sport went up to middle weight and beat the champ , Henry cejudo best DJ , TJ , Cruz , Marlon and is a double champ , usman beat masvidal twice , colby , tyron woodley, Gilbert burns , RDA , Demian maia , Leon Edwards is on the way to pass khabib if not already same with Israel best vettori , Brunson , kelvin gastelum , whitteker , Yoel and Paulo Costa. . There's amanda nunes the only fighter to defend two belts beat germaine de randamine twice , valentina twice , ronda , Holly Holmes, misha , cyborg. Daniel comier beat Anthony Johnson twice , Gustafsson , Anderson Silva , Dan Henderson , went up in weight best the most successful heavyweight stipe and Derrick lewis .
@@ayrtoncordeiro3898 he is a proven cheater. Like my man said. Debate over. Not to mention he's seriously struggled in some fights. Almost got tapped by Vitor, his fights with Reyes and Gus could have gone either way he got beat up badly in both of those against guys that went on to get viciously knocked out afterwards. Khabib has made every opponent look amateur. Also, dude fought some killers in UFC. Tf you talking about? Not to mention how much better of a person he is than Jones. The coke head cheat who drives drunk, plows into pregnant ladies and tries to flee the scene and acts like a delinquent thug towards law enforcement. A proven liar with a narcissist personality. Imo it's not even a debate and this is coming from a guy who ALWAYS sides/cheers the American over Russian fighters. I refuse to deny reality. Khabib is hands down the fkng goat. Point blank period....
No recent bias, just facts.. Khabib dominated some of the best mixed martial artists in the sport, in the toughest weight division. He has never tested positive for any performance enhancing drugs. Not only is he one of the most skilled grappler, mixed martial artists, he is an honorable man with respect and dignity.
5:51 Smart insight here by Luke into the situation, he was able to accurately predict the future about Jones' eventual transition to hw and how many would hail Jones as the ud goat if he won his hw fight Fast forward a couple years after this interview and the gane fight takes place, and exactly what he predicted happened, Luke's a smart guy, I definitely respect his mind
@@JG-ge3ui yeah and won by cheating. 💉💉💉 Remember? And his last 3 fight? All were UD's dude just somehow won. If his physical capabilities were not enhanced then maybe things could have been diff. But it ain't same with gsp and KN.
@@hakimdarroudi7428 gsp is 100% the goat. He dominated the two people he lost to. Khabib hasn’t go the better resume than him either yes he’s more dominant but has only 3 title defences. Jon Jones is a cheater and has also got a couple fights that he arguably lost
@@hakimdarroudi7428 only Hendrix was controversial, he won against Penn in the rematch without any doubt. Jones is sitting on a lot of split decisions... (with PeDs)
@@jean-christopherouleau1626 Penn first fight... khabib has arguably never lost a round in a bad way. Gsp got destroyed by serra and Hendricks (the cheater) banged him... gsp in the top but not the goat
Tibau🤔 Jones never miss weight .🤔 Khabib never fight vs BJJ specialist like Tony. Khabib fear to go his own weightclass he need to do abnormal weightcut . Jones still flawless illegal tec is just a joke.
The fact that neither one of them brought up the PED record on Jon surprises me. Even Jon's earlier victories are now questionable since USADA wasn't in the picture than
You think none of Jones opponents were juiced when they fought Jones ? Wht abt vitor and Jones smashes him nobody argues that anderson Silva was one of the greatest middle weights of all time and he popped when he beat nick just say you hate Jones any non bias person knows Jones accomplishments dwarfs khabib it’s not a think about question
@@Negro.spiritual Nobody is calling Silva the goat either because of the same shit. We don't know if Jones opponents took PED either, EVEN if they did it don't matter. The fact remains Jon did and got caught multiple times once USADA came into picture. I don't hate Jon. He clearly has the best resume that I don't think anyone will ever top. But it's not a clean resume. So he needs to step out of the goat picture.
I love Khabib, he beats great fighters but Jon has beat legends & undisputed future hall of famers or guys with great records up til their fight. The run up before his title fight against Shogun, not counting his journeyman fights, his opponents with the worst records were Vera @11-4, Hamill @ 6-2, Bader 12-0, Bonnar 12-4. After those, he tore thru the legends...
i just dont get how his name can come up at all when hes a proven cheat, doesnt that put into question his whole career? to me it makes his entire career null and void
@@toptiertech7291 and on top of that new usada rules clear him. and also everyone is on gear some just dont get caught.. and even if you say that.. USADA's New rules would have cleared him.. He also beat vitor belfort who was on steroids
@@ABeastGamingit's awful how everyone defends a known cheater. At any rate, Khabib was unquestionably not on anything. So that would make his accomplishments even more impressive considering his opposition, according to you, was most likely on stuff. I can't take Jones seriously because he cheated. And I can't understand why even before the new USADA rules, it STILL wasn't brought up. The media is protecting Jones and that's not okay.
I can understand that Justin landed some shots but Khabib put the pressure in that round and also took him down I just dont see how Justin got it, that said I dont know why it matters that much since Khabib finished him with a beautiful triangle
Jon jones is without a doubt a Great Fighter, but as he said Khabib was just flawless... i mean i just recently had my Khabib Full Story dose were i rewatched his start and end of his fighting carrer and there is no other word as Flawless... he is simply a different Animal, he fought against the Top Fighters and made it look like it was nothing! He dominated every round, he is respectful and humble. Befor Khabib i always hated it when Fighters started Grappling and Submissions, but seeing him do it, was like a work of Art, just like his Punches and Kicks and now i wish for that and hope to see another artist at work. Khabib was for me the first Fighter who was perfectly balanced and was not only great in all aspects, it also looked great, from Grappling to Hand to Feet Combat, Great intuition, huge Stamina and endurance, i mean he never sat down after each round against Mcregor, he escaped a Guillotine choke just to Submission Poirier seconds after...thats crazy! Khabib is still the current Goat for me until someone else comes who exceeds those feats, but right now, to me that person has yet to come.
Jones has done it at heavyweight as well. He’s shown to be dominant on his feet, on the ground, and he did this against dudes jacked up on steroids and he wasn’t always at his best. Jones just does to much.
No way you complimented khabibs striking dude was pretty bad at that. He had a padded record in his early stage of his career and he only fought like 4 good opponents all being strikers. “That person is yet to come” Jon been there bruh
What i forget to mention on why Khabib still is the Goat and has a Flawless carrer to me, is his Character itself, he has the Character and Charisma of a Champion, he has the mentality and discipline to be a Champion, his humbleness and his wisdom, he is a man focus and sheer will, he is a true Role model for the People. I base a Champion a Goat in all their aspects, and if that person can make me start thinking after he said something wise. Thats something i never had of any ufc fighter and jones is far from it, they all lets say simple. When you become a Goat you become a role model, and all other fighters are the same when it comes to discipline and lifestyle, they were normal Guys like you and me doing Party and relax after a Fight, but not Khabib, and i admire extraordinary people.
Who is this guy and why have I never seen him before. So knowledgeable. Joe has that network. Seems like every friend and acquaintance this guy has is adding value to his life. Wish I had this ability to choose my friends so wisely. Respect.
Habib is not so humble when it comes to islam. When those terrorists beheaded people in France he didn't say one word about it, but he did say that Macron must be punished for saying "bAd WoRds" about islam.
@@findingmyway93 Khabib has extremely good defensive stand up. His offensive stand up needs work but it is very good for its intended purpose of pushing fighters back and opening up the takedown.
Jones is obviously highly skilled but I think what helped him gain a huge advantage over almost all opponents was his body frame. A combination of his height and possessing one of the longest reach in UFC. Even with the same weight, he's naturally much bigger than most people he faced. Jones snuggled most with opponents of similar body types like Dominick and Gus. Would be very interesting to see how he performs at heavyweight.
I honestly feel like jones' performance at heavyweight will decide this conversation. If he actually manages to outclass either stipe or ngannou he will have achieved too much.
@@Jordidwaard him beating ciryl gane in under 1 round is absolutely amazing.. Jones stopped fighting for 3 years moved up a weight class. fought someone who is probably bigger and a bit stronger than him. and still beat him so easily.. to the point that people are saying ciryl took a dive
My question is, why do we crucify guys like Tj Dillashaw and TRT Vitor for PEDs, but so often it gets minimized or avoided in the goat conversation with Jon Jones?
well i know people hate the chemistry involved but Dillashaw and Vitro were red red red hot while Jon Jones was right at the minimum threshold so if he was using we will never know because it falls withing the tainted supplement realm.
@@Underratedmen yes, specially the first time is the one im referring to. It was classic tainted supplement, the 2nd time of micro levels is what draws suspicion because he should have known better if it was tainted coke or supplements and he still popped
For that you have to fight upto age of 36 , jon jones is 36 still fighting and he became ufc champion at the age of 19, kjabib would have faced same situation if did fight at the age of 36
Jones has been in trouble in arm bar one time Khabib was rocked by michael johnson early Jones 11 title defences khabib 3 Its not even close octagon wise
@@ramoniglesiasdiaz3164 would hardly call it rocked. and anyway, jones took steroids and has been in trouble more times than khabib. he also has more controversial decisions than khabib
GSP! Avenged his only 2 losses DOMINANTLY. Cleared out the entire welterweight division, then MOVED UP and won the Middleweight title against Bisping after 4 years out. GOAT.
@MambaMMA 24.2 GSP was advocating for doping tests for UFC fighters for years before USADA was brought in and even originally wanted much tougher and thorough testing than what USADA offers so how was he “running” from them exactly? Stop trying to slander one of the GOATS for no reason
Khabib never met an opponent like Chael Sonnen when Bones beat that dude using his own style that's the moment I realized that Jon Jones was unbeatable. 🙆
I don't understand how this is a discussion. HE'S A PROVEN CHEAT ! Jones and his fans don't seem to realise how bad that is. He shouldn't even be allowed in the sport let alone be the regarded as one of the best.
I agree to a degree.... I think there’s a lot of PEDs in MMA, just like Nick said. With that being said I think PEDs help, but you can’t take away wrestling pedigree, physical attitudes like height, and reach, AND fight IQ
Dude you're straight up lying. Silva never said Khabib was the greatest, he said he's his favorite fighter to watch. He LITERALLY said GSP is the greatest.
@@xrexi4366 Conor won that round on the judges score cards yes that's a fact but rewatch that round again. The amount of times conor cheated and didn't get called out for it is ridiculous. As far as that Justin round goes, c'mon, are we really holding these judges scorecards as the end all be all? How many ridiculous decisions have we seen by these judges. Rewatch Khabib v. Justin round 1 again and tell me if you truly believe Justin won the round
Not Jon Jones, how the hell Joe just overlooks his cheating is BEYOND me Khabib said himself GSP is the GOAT. Can't be the goat with four title fights.
GSP had his face rearranged vs Kendricks. And had a couple of very bad losses, yeah he "avenged" them but still those two losses he was dominated. Jon Jones and khabib don't have that issue
@@muradyboy934 right. Let's pretend the lightweight division wasn't the most stacked division right when Khabib was arriving in the UFC. He's just that much better than everyone else. Gaethje defeated a fighter that was on a 12-fight win streak and Khabib made him look like an amateur. Just say you don't like him personally
@@StaaaaNzHD Reyes, Gus 1 despite crack head jusges, and Santos are all arguable. They also didn't show up with roids in the system while Jones did. No matter how much Jon nutt huggers break it down, Jones has felt the need to cheat in most of his fights and barely beating non roided fighters doesn't gift you Goat status.
A man trains to fight with the help of his father. His mother never really likes it, but accepts it because it's their way. Father tells son, you'll retire at 30-0. Two fights short of that goal, father dies. Mother tells son she doesn't want him fighting without his father around. Son fights one last fight because he had given his word to his father he would. Then he retires because he gave his mother his word he would. Just one fight short of a goal he had been working towards for his entire career. That ladies and gentlemen, that is a MAN. Show me one MMA fighter anywhere that has that kind of reverence for others, including his God. They don't exist. No, he will not return; not unless his mother wishes it. He will not return because he is a man of his word and that word was given. He cannot be bought. Khabib is exactly what martial artists used to aspire to be.
There are better people in the fighting world. Pacman is one. He changed everything for his homeland. Brought so much change and a great man outside the ring. Just coz he is a good son does not make him great. He's an amazing warrior. But it rests at that.
Well said.... But unfortunately, you've mentioned NOTHING that actually matters when it comes to being pugilist/Martial artist!! His respect or lack thereof for his or anybody else god.. Utterly irrelevant
@@batman_diaries I agree that just because someone is good in one area of their life (i.e. being a good son), it does not make them a great human being. I also agree that Manny is an amazing person, in and out of the ring. However, I disagree with the implication that Khabib is not - if that is what you were implying...I may have misunderstood you there. Khabib has done a lot for his home town, specifically helping the local kids and the schools...in fact, he and Pacman have a lot in common with their philanthropy choices. Though, I don't know how much he "has changed" Dagestan as a whole...I honestly donj't keep up with any celeb's personal life that much...I just know what I see/read. God bless bud.
@Michael Robertson Jones is a PED cheat. PEDS are called enhancement drugs because they enhance your performance, and If you are milli-seconds faster than your opponent thats a great unfair advantage in a fight.
@Michael RobertsonThat's a strawman's argument. No one is saying he has no talent. But It will never be known if he would have achieved what he has achieved without PEDS. Especially that his performance was awful after USADA. So there is a huge asterisk to his career.
see the things is that jon jones is one of the best ever no debate. No matter flaws being mentioned outside of the cage, there was no one that beat him inside of the cage period. You can’t argue that
@@prodded._ yeah, overall...with all those fights and wins and his natural ability...I would have to give him that. But Khabib is the GOAT of the lightweight though, because of the nature of his wins.
Gsp has a loss against sera and there's arguments to say he won fights that he should of lost and khabib has one style he hasn't got a stand up game. Where gsp,Jones, mighty mouse all have a accomplished a stand up game as well a ground game khabib is one of the most boring fighters to watch you know what his game plan where the others have the element of surprise to there game
Khabib has just 3 title defenses against primary strikers. Jon has more damn title fights than Khabib has even fights inside the UFC. Khabib was 15-0 and fought guy with 0-0 record, so his whole pre UFC is extremely padded.
@James Matthews Nah if he dropped to lightweight at 155 definitely not, you high? With peds maybe, but again that's why he ain't the goat. I don't see Messi and Ronaldo needing to use any performance-enhancing drugs to be GOATS, apparently, this is only a MMA thing.
@James Matthews You can't compare Jones and Khabib. That's why i said at 155 Khabib would beat him, because naturally jones can't really compete at that weight. Khabib at his division has dominated, no one can do it better. Jones also is great at his respective division, no one ever denies that. But he's not the GOAT, he used performance enhanced drugs and was caught. Khabib being a GOAT is debatable, but his fights aren't as one-dimensional as you think buddy. He's barely showed us his other skills, like his back, which he gave a taste of during the Gaethje fight.
@James Matthews Oh I saw your other comment about Jones dropping to 155 and still beating Khabib, which is utterly stupid. Someone who has been wrestling bears will ever get beaten, haha! You're talking out of your ass here buddy, I was going to agree with you on some points until I realized how much of an idiot you were.
I believe that does not translate to skills and fight IQ. I believe Jones is still a phenomenal fighter without steroids, let’s see his upcoming fights. Let’s see all of his fights, whether when he is accused of using steroids or not.
@@Wizear11 is it even a steroid tho? i really hate the internet for giving some of these people a voice. khabib is no doubt the most dominant right now but khabib has a resume of nobodies. DC, Cejudo and Stipe have a better history for goat status.
Khabib is probably the best. But when you say "goat" and "mma", GSP comes to my mind first and I have no arguement for putting him ahead of khabib or jones.
@@bonez_206 In which he also knocked tf out and tapped tf out of the same people who did that to him after, losses don't matter unless if it affected the fighter themselves and made them worse. Boxing is probably the only sport that emphasizes the "iM unDeFeAtEd" thing so much. GSP lost some and then came back 10x better and won it back there's a reason it's called a 'record' it's just your history of fights, GSP when he lost is not as good as the GSP that avenged his loss. Being undefeated in the UFC is amazing because the competition's always spicy between two top contenders I'll give khabib that, but with your logic, everybody from the hall of fame other than khabib aren't good because they lost against opponents too? (Which were really good by the way)
Jon Jones 100%, anyone saying otherwise is suffering from recency bias. Staying on top for a decade, and defending as much as jones has done is a totally different game than looking very dominant and getting a few title defenses WHICH NUMEROUS FIGHTERS HAVE ALSO DONE.
funny how he said jones was gonna get his after heavyweight and he absolutely did that guy fucking predicted it flawlessly especially after winning and was hyped up to be the goat again… picture perfect prediction lmao
The GOAT for me is not someone with the most win or title defences...It's someone who is best in his game and can make people fall in love with him with his nature and actions..N for me that is KHABIB
first he has 13 ufc fights(all wins), but if you are talking about the 29 wins being impressive then you should take a look at a fighter called Dan Severn who has a record of 101-19-1. Now which is better, 29-0-0 or 101-19-1? The latter of course. However, the reason as to why Dan Severn is no way near the goat talk is because in the ufc he had 13 fights same as khabib but Dan's ufc record was 9-4-0 and never secured any belts. So yes Khabib's undefeated run is impressive but a mere 13 wins is nothing compared to gsp 13 title fight wins (26 wins overall) and jones 14 title fight wins (26 wins overall) and anderson silva 16 win streak (34 wins overall) title wins is what makes a goat in the mma world
@@omynemomynem7319 Yeah Fedor hurt himself by coming over too late and staying too long. He'll always go done as the true peoples champ for me. He was strong without being ripped or jacked. Just more determined and clever than his opponents.
George is a true champion and gives credit when credit is due, he does not try to steal the lime light [like jon jones] or say something like what about me or look what I did.
I give it to Kabib even tho I'm a bigger fan of Bones. The fact that Jon actually lost a couple and got gift wins. Kabib never lost at all. Not even close
Everyone at the top level is on some sort of PEDs. Don't think people won't do everything possible when millions and millions of dollars are on the line.