Kia EV9 vs Rivian R1S - Which is the better Buy?

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@Gjeebs 24 дня назад

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@ari_young 4 месяца назад

We actually have both, my wife drives an EV9 and I drive an R1S. Overall, I'd say they both have their advantages. the EV9 has the captain's chairs in the middle and accessing the rear seats is a bit easier. they both drive well. the software is slightly better in the Rivian. No real complaints with either though

@ayushmalpeddi2793 3 месяца назад

Which one rides better over bumps and in terms of smoothness? From my understanding the R1S always had poor tuning versus R1T but I heard they tried to fix it OTA

@mikethebest6 5 месяцев назад

My friend purchased an EV9 back in January and we test drove it side by side with a new model X and EV9 ride and quality is soooo much better specially the seats are so comfortable, not bashing on the X I love the X but Kia has improved sooo much and with the long range EV9 we were getting 3.1 miles/kwH range of 300+ not to mention the ambient lighting on the EV9 is so futuristic inside and out that the X lacks on and the 3 row in the EV9 is much more comfortable.

@ayushmalpeddi2793 3 месяца назад

If KIA could give an optional larger battery (120 or so) IMO it would be the better family car than the X. X will still handle better and have some cooler features but now that KIA can use NACS it would be a better road trip car with its 800v architecture

@mdribblecastle 5 месяцев назад

Good comparison. I went for the EV9 because it won with 1-2 row space as well as Android Auto/CarPlay. Btw looks like you had the relaxation package in the 2nd row. Those powered seats eat up about 2” extra inches of space in the third row. The specific reason i didn’t get that package. Finally big Dad tip if you have the money. Nuna Revv car seat that swivels 360. Absolute game changer for getting kids in the car from either side. Also way easier for rear facing car seat usage.

@SnappyWasHere 5 месяцев назад

I just bought a blue EV9. The interior and the reassurance of a dealer network sold me. I drove and liked an X and Rivian scares me long term. Love the videos and your total seriousness, too many people just joke around too much.

@TonmoyGhosh 5 месяцев назад

The Kia dealer network is what kept me away from an ev9. I have friends who have had horrible dealer experiences with KIa

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

@@TonmoyGhosh Not me, I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line

@JohnLee-db9zt 5 месяцев назад

@@SwwilsNot all Kia dealers are diabolical. Some are just hellish 😂. Jokes aside, the Kia dealer near me is better than Honda and Toyota dealer near me.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

@@Swwils and I will buy a fully loaded kia ev9 gt line

@jaypie0864 4 месяца назад

Opposite decision here. Liked the Kia but it can't use the Tesla charging network. The Rivian makes it so you can actually road trip using Tesla superchargers.

@jntaylor63 4 месяца назад

The main driver for buying the EV9 over the Rivian is that the nearest Rivian service center is 3 hours away vs 30 mins for a Kia.

@BryanGibbs-nh9uq 4 месяца назад

Does Rivian provide complementary free charge? If yes, which charging company? It seems a lot of vehicle manufacturers like to use Electrify America. EA is always crowded and its corrective maintenance is terrible. I have an EV9 and Ionia 6.

@MrRaitzi 29 дней назад

This is reason people even don't always want a Tesla vs regular brand like Kia in Europe.

@YooooouKnowwwww Месяц назад

have an ev9 and he did a great job showing features, but some that he missed that make me happy are 1 touch power fold away 2nd row seats, you don't have to struggle to get into 3rd row like he did. Front seats are massaged, and not just vibrate, like real massage. Self parking, crazy acceleration, layflat 3rd row seats for increased hatch area space to name a few. It does drive amazingly, really quiet, no road noise, has locking differential for offroad which I actually need and use. The best is the seats are off the charts comfortable including the headrest that is literally the best I've ever seen in any car. I'm not sure if it was a wizard that designed it or Kia just stumbled on the right formula

@B카가와 5 месяцев назад

I would like to choos EV9, which looks so futuristic.

@ibz.a 3 дня назад

It’ll look dated in a year or two where rivian may look more graceful

@cpkay33 5 месяцев назад

the ev9 is impressive. i like the look and features. super awesome rivian has production in illinois but the smiley facade is so cheesy

@Barlow_business 5 месяцев назад

Your car tours are amazing, learn so much off of these, love the work.

@dmkmd7188 5 месяцев назад

Always a good chuckle to go along with excellent reviews and info. Bravo GJeebs

@fpartidafpartida 5 месяцев назад

Just did a 8,400+ mile road trip on with the Rivian R1S. From MN, to Colorado, Moab, Sonoma, Palm Springs, Sequoia Yosemite, San Francisco, San Diego and back. It was a beast off road (Broken Arrow trail, Longdale trails and others). I races a Lamborghini in La Joya CA, and won. I car camped in it for days and cooked out of the 1,500W inverter in the back. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned. Period.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

And that makes me buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line.

@mrwombat24 5 месяцев назад

@@RichardJoashTan I’ve seen you making mindless comments about buying EV9 on other RU-vid videos the other day as well. You must work for Kia and are desperate to sell EV9. Sad that Kia is stooping to this level.

@GadielVaStar 4 месяца назад

How was the charging on your Rivian?

@jysmtl 4 месяца назад

@@RichardJoashTan?

@marcguindon8499 4 месяца назад

@@GadielVaStar I'll answer if that's ok. My R1S will charge up to 220kW on an unlocked Supercharger. (Although by reading charging reviews, my R1S seems to charge better than the other Rivians for some reason I still don't understand... great for me, but all Rivians should charge the same.)

@Baylorbetterthanbrown 4 месяца назад

I have fallen in love with rivians look of their vehicles

@solroseberg155 5 месяцев назад

The Rivian is a great vehicle, but its service and warranty support are spotty. The Kia has a better warranty, is priced better, and has a supporting dealer network. There are eight Kia dealers with service departments within 40 miles of my house. I’m not doing rock-climbing, so the Kia does everything I want in the GT line trim and saves me money and service headaches over the Rivian.

@Aegisx5 4 месяца назад

Rivian has mobile service and gives out another Rivian for loaner vehicles. Unless you just like really far away, the service I'd a lot better than any I experienced in 10+ years of owning Kias at 4 area dealers. All could best be describes as "fine". About the same treatment whether you bought a $75K EV9 as a $23K Forte.

@douglake5834 4 месяца назад

I am an EV fan. I had an R1S and I live in Phx. I pre-ordered in 2019; finally got the R1S in June of 2023. After about a month, I reluctantly sold it. Lack of a sliding sunroof shade means the glass sunroof cooks your head when you get into the car after it's been sitting in a parking lot. Note: Phx temps get 115°F. OK, so just pre-condition vehicle for 10 mins? Not when the AC barely blows cool air. I think the AC is undersized for the R1S, but OK for the R1T (less sunroof). So take it to the Rivian service center? They are 6-8 weeks out, then delay another 2 weeks. 8 weeks of no/poor AC in 115°F Phx heat is a non-starter. What you didn't mention is that the cooling vents are below the center display such that the "cool?" air never makes it to your sunroof-cooked head. But it might make your right forearm less warm if your hands are on the steering wheel. Rivian: That's poor engineering. Note that Rivian fixed this issue in the upcoming R2. Air vents are higher in the R2 prototypes. Hope they keep the vents higher. Almost everything else about the R1S is pretty cool (lots of head toss though...). Thanks for reviewing EV9. I am eager to look at it. Not sour on Rivian though- I hope Rivian succeeds. They just need to learn how to design and manufacture vehicles.

@stockey 4 месяца назад

The EV9 has a smaller frunk, because, Kia prioritise inside space than frunk space, in Canada, the Rivian is almost twice the price of the EV9.

@robp3431 5 месяцев назад

R1S for "the looks" 'cuz every time I see one in public, I could see myself driving one. I test-drove a top spec EV9, and it does ride amazing....more ICE-like luxury, but the captains chairs-only in second row in the upper-trims, is a negative for my needs, as is lack of frunk. The Y still meets my needs the most, but waiting on the re-fresh with improved seats

@RobbieRedanauer 5 месяцев назад

I just bought a Telluride n love it

@marcguindon8499 4 месяца назад

I went for the Rivian because I needed the range. But, man, it's a great car, especially for us rural folks who enjoy offroading. I got to see an EV9 that was charging beside me. That car is gorgeous. Had the EV9 been available when I ordered my Rivian in 2021, it would have been a tough choice.

@EverydayChris 5 месяцев назад

NICE MAN! This is the next one I wanted to tackle since it has legit 3 rows. The model x one vs ev9 is too small

@brandonjackson9047 3 месяца назад

This review is perfect to assess which vehicle is more appropriate to ferry a handgun to one's child custody hearing. 😆Low key the funniest car review recently seen, IN ADDITION to being incredibly thorough. LOVE the driest of dry humor!

@jake-ly 5 месяцев назад

I love the Rivian UI way more than any CarPlay car I've tried, it just works. However they just need to add it in so it ticks people's checklist when buying

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

And I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line.

@justo711 5 месяцев назад

This is the video I’ve been waiting for.

@AvocadoAtrocity 5 месяцев назад

As Sandy Munro said about the KIA EV9's frunk, "it enough space to fit a wallet." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

Not me, because I will buy a Kia EV9 GT Line

@JonathanRootD 5 месяцев назад

If you get the RWD it actually has a very deep frunk.

@Aegisx5 4 месяца назад

@@JonathanRootD but then it's unreasonably slow for 2024

@A8shhsjw 3 месяца назад

EV9 has bigger inside space. who caes frunk.

@Aegisx5 3 месяца назад

@SamsungHyundai the frunk makes a huge difference in useable storage.

@yuchan063 4 месяца назад

R1S is better, but EV9 is cheaper and has much much better service infrasturcture in North America. I will choose EV9

@swyang68 2 месяца назад

I just spent a lot of time test driving and comparing specs of the Rivian Vs EV9 and the only thing the Rivian does better is to go off road. Which I never do. All other aspects are way better in the Kia. Mine is coming in 2 days, can't wait!

@j_merlotte5467 5 месяцев назад

just starting this video, but GJEEBS - been looking for an ownership update on your R1T. At one point you almost insinuated you would have rather had a model S for similar money (but you did it for the channel). Regardless, R1T dual motor, standard+ seems like alot of truck for the money... I'm tempted myself, hence me looking for an update video from you. Thanks and love your videos!

@Gjeebs 5 месяцев назад

Update is coming soon!

@FranciscoDiaz2k00 Месяц назад

Great comparison! For me, the deciding factor was the range. I need to cover over 300 miles on family trips, and frequent stops would just be a hassle.

@MrRaitzi 29 дней назад

That ground clearance on Rivian is good for snow and ice. That is expensive battery under that Kia. Will total the car if bad scratch comes.

@susanyoon288 4 месяца назад

Forgot to show the leg rests on all 4 seats. That's a major one

@chewieone1064 4 месяца назад

I fancied the Rivian, but no chance in Germany. Recently test drove the EV9, and i am surprised what a good car this is. Kia make really nice cars now, not too fancy like Tesla or Merc, and the EV9 is an excellent ride, much smoother than the 2021 Explorer PHEV i have now. Some detail in the EV9 is downright crappy, like some of the buttons. But i love the HUD. The seats are ok but could be a bit wider. All i really wish for is some more horsepower, and a way to disable all the beeping. But i dont think i will go for the upcoming performance model. Its probably gonna cost around 100k and be less comfortable.

@ayushmalpeddi2793 3 месяца назад

Thank you for not sugar coating anything. Yes the EV9 is probably one of the best riding 3 row EV minus the EQS SUV. Hyundai and KIA know what they are doing. Air suspension and adaptive dampers are only as good as you can tune them. Sure they have the ability to make the suspension more stiff but people buying such a car do not need that at all. GM and Porsche have been tuning steel spring suspension so we'll in the past few years. You dont need the fancy stuff which will inevitably fail or break

@ASD-DAD 4 месяца назад

Tesla, Rivian, Lucid are new car manufacturers with no reliability history long enough to persuade me. Kia on the hand, no need to say the EV9 is the clear choice. Tesla sales keep decreasing not only here in the States but crucial markets, specially in China. My sister's Model Y is insanely harsh on your body, umcomfortable ride is an understatement.

@Airistas 4 месяца назад

What about the rear cargo area??

@jackmcclain5805 12 дней назад

11:05 I had to rewatch that a few times to make sure that wasn’t a mistake 😂

@mannyman4103 5 месяцев назад

I accidentally opened the description... Man was that a mistake!!!!

@bigoldjim4696 5 месяцев назад

I really like the EGMP cars but CCS charging is total garbage and even when they can use the Superchargers they charge slowly at 400v. Rivian is beautiful, can Supercharge. Rivian wins at least for now. In a few years when 800v is common, we'll see. Also gives time to see if Rivian makes it.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

And I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line anyway.

@marcguindon8499 4 месяца назад

@@RichardJoashTan And that's why I bought a fully loaded Rivian R1S... And I didn't need to copy-paste this message onto different posts, you sorry propagandist.

@RichardJoashTan 4 месяца назад

@@marcguindon8499 And I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line, you Rivian lover.

@ElliottBcrowe 3 месяца назад

The ev9 is 800v, it has one of the best charging curves in the industry. Look it up.

@1110tilman Месяц назад

lol I love these subtle jokes that he sprinkles in.

@BrianNedry 5 месяцев назад

Well would you look at that a Ev with a glass roof that actually as sunshades built-in because well you know it get freaking hot 🔥 in the summertime with the sun beaming through. Yes you can buy aftermarket sunshades but manufacturers should have these as standard if it's a glass roof. Nice review Gjeebs, I would go with the Kia EV9 all day everyday, that Blue paint is beautiful.

@ryancarlson1494 5 месяцев назад

You would never know my Tesla Model 3 has a glass roof in the summer unless you look up! Not hot at all

@A8shhsjw 3 месяца назад

Kia has better software, driving, faster charge, v2L. Also kia has an american plant.

@BeanEW 5 месяцев назад

What about software? I like KIA; they have good cars for the money. However, the EV9 is like a mini-van with normal doors for second row. If I still have young kids, EV9 for sure; otherwise I would go with the adventure.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

But for me, I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line anyway

@ankyanksak 3 месяца назад

A real life drive test in the review would have helped make this one even a better review.

@ruzhytskyi 2 месяца назад

Whu didnt you show trunks when 3rd row is unfolded?

@HoSway0 5 месяцев назад

Alright Folks becoming PTSD but in a good way. Shoutout Gjeebs

@L4mTr4n 3 месяца назад

Rivian R1S ftw. 400+ miles. Duo, tri, or quad motors. More spacious. Air suspension. More power. Etc.

@majidfarahani1107 3 месяца назад

Rivan vs Discovery is a more interesting comparison when it comes to design. Rivian has already won the crowd of specially younger generation. Affordability could be an issue. What is the starting price of EV9?

@supra800 5 месяцев назад

Can use kia Ev9 off road sand desert?

@Annette_Hons 5 месяцев назад

Shout out to Everyday Chris! LOL

@ericanderson1753 5 месяцев назад

Infotainment (EV9)?

@jerrellherod7709 4 месяца назад

Divorce court and child support are very specific uses for a pricey SUV. Maybe I should check the other videos on the intended audience for this 😂

@Aegisx5 5 месяцев назад

The Rivian all day long, there's no question. The only reason to get the EV9 is the price - the Land trims and lower are down into the mid to low 60s (and lower) and that's a good bargain.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

Not me,, because I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line anyway because all of the above.

@Aegisx5 5 месяцев назад

@RichardJoashTan you miss a lot in the GT line compared to a Rivian. Slower acceleration, lower range, tiny frunk, lower towing capacity, no off road capability, no air suspension, clunky app, no meaningful updates as the vehicle isn't software defined... the Kia is fine but to compare it to the Rivian, it's not up there. Plus you have to deal with Kia dealerships for service to boot. Rivian does mobile service, and gives out service loaners.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

@@Aegisx5 the ones that you mention, are fine for me. And there is one thing the Rivian lacks: The Kia EV9 is named 2024 World Car of the Year

@Aegisx5 5 месяцев назад

@RichardJoashTan lmao don't believe all the press hype. I'm not a Kia hater or an EV haters by any means. Again I think nothing competes with the lower EV9 trims for $50-60K (although Rivian is doing some very attractive lease deals that make payments even on upper trims pretty reasonable). I say this as someone who owned and mostly enjoyed a 2016 Kia Optima, a 2018 Stinger and a 2020 Telluride SXP. There's just no way I'd have paid over $70K for an EV9 when I could get the Rivian.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

@@Aegisx5 And my comment still stands.

@sidney1234usc 4 месяца назад

I'mma purchase one of these just for the purpose of driving to court to pay child support lol

@pmorcostube 4 месяца назад

This two vehicles are incomparable. It's actually insane to me that these could be considered in any way similar. The frunk alone is all you need to compare. lol. The Rivian is a solid luxury car in comparison to something that will give you nothing but long term problems. Go drive both and make your own opinions...don't rely on marketwatch hacks.

@marcelmazpule2287 4 месяца назад

Wow 285 width tire the Telluride is the same size and it 245 width.

@lflyr6287 4 месяца назад

Kia EV9 is by faaaar superior in tech gadgets, build quality and build reliability....therefore it's simply a better car in every aspect.

@benwillvv 4 месяца назад

Both are excellent!

@cellpc360 4 месяца назад

Using it to get a divorce and pay child support is crazy work!!! 😅😅😅

@terencestephenson4727 5 месяцев назад

I'm Just here for Gjeeb's humor. Good comparison but one thing that wasn't mentioned is the difference in software and updates. My Ioniq 5's updates are few and infrequent especially compared to Rivian.

@Gjeebs 5 месяцев назад

Yea that's true the Rivian software updates have been great so far

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

Not me, I prefer the Kia.

@JonathanRootD 5 месяцев назад

I've had 4 software updates in the EV9 since January.

@thaigers 3 месяца назад

Rivian starts at 74K - 100K to a KIA EV9 starts at 53K to 74K, can you really compare? But the front of the Rivian is so ugly looks like a kids toy, such a joke looking car. Agree on space of the EV9 front trunk, so small.

@romanivanov6183 5 месяцев назад

Man, do you remember you said my Tesla has the same functionality as a new one? What do you think now after the news that only AMD models will get the new UI?

@JonathanRootD 5 месяцев назад

He's utterly devastated. Life is ruined.

@nguyep4 5 месяцев назад

And the functionality for the others will never change as those are stuck with the same software. Lack of major software updates.

@isaacclarke3037 4 месяца назад

Id go with rivian r2

@abyalex235 4 месяца назад

Rivian should come to India too.

@EsenbekAliev_ 4 месяца назад

3 minute into the video and already 3 ads... cmon

@rudiemur 5 месяцев назад

A handgun. 😂 Americans always so concerned with their guns...

@saifullahakram5972 3 месяца назад

Only an American would speak so casually about a hand gun lol.

@ChrisParayno 4 месяца назад

The Kia

@ahmadsiddiqui13 5 месяцев назад

Which one would you get?

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

A fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line

@jysmtl 4 месяца назад

A base R1S.

@kevinn1158 5 месяцев назад

A hand gun? Welcome to America.

@아이와-z3o 3 месяца назад

Rivian r1s ❤

@ModernCowboy78 5 месяцев назад

How does he know what bird big mac poo looks like lol

@bluedog9935 5 месяцев назад

I think it’s the special sauce that gave it away…

@yacineatroune Месяц назад

Thanks for the review Use the car to go tho the court 😂 and corporate America sacked our souls 😂😂😂 never heard this in a review, you made me laugh

@ilyeanjeong 4 месяца назад

Rivian ❤ handsome ❤

@pusherreviews7028 5 месяцев назад

Court and divorce. 😂

@lovswr 4 месяца назад

Divorce & child support. 😂

@JacobPorterLadder 4 месяца назад

You lost me at "handgun and cigarettes"

@Gjeebs 4 месяца назад

Yea if you can't see that's a joke then this isn't the channel for you

@panosb3545 3 месяца назад

i cannot think of an uglier car than this rivian....

@malhaar707 4 месяца назад

no cups holders in R1S?

@Gjeebs 4 месяца назад

it has them they are in the center console recessed. you press in and they pop out just beyond the charging pad

@marcguindon8499 4 месяца назад

It'll take you more than a month to find all the easter eggs hidden in the R1S. I'm still finding some 5 weeks after taking ownership.

@룰루랄라-q5w 4 месяца назад

ev9 good^^ 반가워용

@matthewvernon8876 5 месяцев назад

lol not even close. Rivian. By far. Much more capable. You want a mom suv…Kia.

@shanewilfon6860 5 месяцев назад

Wait one year and buy both for less than cost of both new 😂

@ChrisBarnes199 4 месяца назад

Are you getting divorced?

@luisbraz-ruivo 4 месяца назад

If I want an ICE car I buy an ICE car…..EVs should be different, otherwise what is the point.

@GazDaa1 4 месяца назад

your joke is like... hmm

@UncleAlpha1 5 месяцев назад

I need 7 seaters not 6. Sorry Kia.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

But for me, I will buy ba fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line anyway because World CAr of the Year

@JonathanRootD 5 месяцев назад

EV9 has a 7 seater option lol

@richardcoughlin8931 5 месяцев назад

Give me buttons or give me death! (Tesla Model Y owner)

@AvocadoAtrocity 5 месяцев назад

Use the S3XY buttons if you need them that badly 😂😂😂😅

@RB78545 5 месяцев назад

no nacs ?👎

@kerberos514 5 месяцев назад

Rivian is sending out the adapters for NACS charging, both Rivian and Ford are getting supercharger access this year, some already have gotten their adapters.

@Kailaniandkiara7165 5 месяцев назад

@@kerberos514 Both already have SC access. Rivian has been several weeks, Ford even longer. Both are supposed to have the NACS ports natively in 2025 on the new vehicles.

@swyang68 2 месяца назад

After test driving the X and R1S 8 took and EV9, the 3rd row of the X is good for kids and short distances but the final call came down to how they ride and the EV9's ride quality is far superior to both of them

@ericliberty1776 5 месяцев назад

I would never buy either of these overpriced cars

@CraftLulz 3 месяца назад

Rivian has better software, better for off-roading, towing, and adventuring. Also rivian is an american company.

@A8shhsjw 3 месяца назад

Kia has better software, driving, faster charge, v2L. Not sure about offroads. Also kia has an american plant.

@luckylenny 5 месяцев назад

Rivian is on life support. As of 12/31/22, Rivian had $11.6 bill of cash. In '23, Rivian raised $3.2 bill by issuing convertibles. Yet on 12/31/23, Rivian's cash and equivalent balance was down to $9.3 bill. Started '23 w/ $11.6 bill. Raised $3.2 bill. Ended '23 with only $9.3 bill. How can any company raise $3.2 bill in convertibles and still have a cash balance decrease of $2.3 bill? It's only possible because Rivian's loss for 4Q23 was $1.5 bill. If Rivian continues to lose $1.5 bill/qtr, Rivian's dwindling cash pile of $9.3 bill will be gone in 7 quarters. Hence, 3Q26 is when Rivian goes broke. Due to increased spending to bring out the R2, and liabilities of $7.6 bill as of 12/31/23, Rivian probably declares bankruptcy sometime in late '24 or mid-2025 at the latest is my guess. No sane person would pay $90k for a vehicle from a company headed for bankruptcy

@ab185 5 месяцев назад

That was a lot of nonsense, congrats.

@richardcoughlin8931 5 месяцев назад

If you truly believe that you should be shorting Rivian stock with every dollar you can spare.

@mdribblecastle 5 месяцев назад

have you see the stock. might already be too late to short. I have an EV9 but still love the Rivian brand and styling. Really rooting for them but i agree with the risk in investment. I actually have an R2 reserved to replace our other gas car, so i hope they make it to 2026. I thought they or Lucid would be a prime option for Apple to get into the car business…. but even Apple sees that it’s very tough business.

@RichardJoashTan 5 месяцев назад

@@mdribblecastleAnd I am happy that I will buy a fully loaded Kia EV9 GT Line anyway.