Kibler Woodsrunner Kit 

It is a tough decision for the very reasons you mention. The identical composition of the woodsrunner to the original is a strong consideration. The woods runner is done on a different CNC machine and it a more complete assembly, requiring less work. 7-1/2 pounds. The 39 3/4 inch barrel is pretty handy. I would guess the trigger on my gun breaks at about 2.5 pounds. The brass will develop its own patina quick enough. Good luck with your decision.

@@PatrickJCameron the kit is about 10 x more than the last one I built in the 80s, but from all I’ve seem the quality is 100x better from Kibler, I think I’m going to just do it, I’m not getting any younger.

@@PatrickJCameron I just finished my Woods Runner and made it with the Southern Ohio Artisan Workshop. The guy next to me did a Southern Mt. riffle. And I have also taken a tour of the factory given by Jim Kibler himself. And I can confirm the above posting. The Woods Runner is made on a more modern machine and consequently requires less work and just fits better. But, if you like the SMR then by all means go with it. You won't regret it. I chose the WR because my gun is going to be a deer hunter and the WR is more suited to that purpose.

Good point. Don't know if there is enough meat at the narrow/waist of the swamped barrel for .620 bore. Would have to check with a custom barrel maker to get solid advice on max bore dia. that would be safe.

@@PatrickJCameron I did not know it was a swamped barrel, what is the minimum across the flat dimension of the barrel ? That would not be at a point of maximum pressure for the 20 bore, but I was thinking that you could just drop the smoothbore barrel into your rifle stock. if you measure a 12 bore barrel the muzzle end is only .060"thick. Good luck! Chris B.

I have just measured my swamped barrel and the narrowest section is .770" AF so at that distance from the breach it should be OK, it may be a little weak to support the muzzle section though. Chris B.

Really no problems on this end. It is extra easy and simple to get a kibler flintlock shipped to Canada but some people just have not had the chance to explore the process. I have shipped several flintlocks to Canada and crossed the border with flintlocks dozens of times with no issues whatsoever. The second video explains the Canadian connections without boring Americans friends to death. Thanks for the comment.

Yes. That is the kit that I purchased. All the products are EASY to use and produce great results. WEAR GLOVES when staining! t takes days to get it off your hands.

Thank you for your fast response, and tip on the gloves. Once again, your rifle is beautiful.

it is IMPORTANT for you to know how close you are to making it click. A piece of paper is supposed to be 3 thousandths of an inch think. You are NOT that far off. If you tap the button with the handle of a screwdriver it will likely click. YOU ARE THAT CLOSE!. Ethan at I love muzzleloading shows how he addressed this issue on one of his latest Kibler Woodsrunner video easier than I can explain it. Basically one way is to dress the closing/locking edge on the spring with a file. A very fine file. One or two swipes at a time. Keeping the locking edge crisp and square. As if you were cleaning up a burr on the edge even if there is none there.

@@PatrickJCameron Thank you, I'll give it a try.

My woods runner was the same way. They all are like that at first. The kits are just that precise. Go slow, you don't want to overdo it.

My cost was approximately $1900.00 Canadian. including exchange, shipping and taxes.

@@PatrickJCameron thanks for that. But i assume there are options for wood and fitting materials/ brass/iron. Id be interested in the southern mountain rifle kit he sells. In cherrywood in 45 caliber. .currently have an Italian 45 kentucky rifle in 45 and like the 45 calibers.

Very nice job Patrick on that Flint lock . getting ready to start a S.M.R. from Kibler. I will take your advice on patients and take my time . And when you talked about the Grand kids ending up getting your guns . I smiled because I feel the same way .Thanks for the video and Happy Trials

I am also 6 feet tall but a touch over 200 pounds. I find the rifle fits very well. The 54 cal will be a hair lighter than the 50 cal. The swamped barrel certainly makes a big difference in the balance of the gun.

I put together a Woodsrunner in 50 cal and walnut stock. Working on a 45 cal SMR now. Also in walnut.

I too am 6'2" and thin and I just finished my Woods Runner. It fits me pretty well. But, my Tompson Center really fits me well. It just has a longer stock. I hope this helps.